June 06, 2007

Nice to see the Republicans 100% against the idiotic Bush/McCain/Kennedy Immigration debacle

No chance the immigration stupidity currently proposed by our corrupted congress will pass.

No chance.

The bill is a disaster, and anyone who supports it should be impeached for treason.

Housing Crash Unintended Effect #205850: Illegals go home as REIC jobs dry up

Housing Crash Unintended Effect #205851: The worst of the illegals stay and commit a level of crime like you've never seen before

68 comments:

bitter Renter said...

Good. They'll lose even more votes in 2008.

This is a country of immigrants. Largely ignorant, insular immingrants who eventually evolved and built this country. Well, except for the republicans.

Anonymous said...

The bush built scheitt sandwich commeth. Be very, very, very afraid!!! Buy gold and live free or die.

Anonymous said...

This is a country of "LEGAL" immigrants.
I came to the USA six years ago as an immigrant. Did I ask you people press 2 for my language? No I didn't, I learned English instead. Did I work illegally? No I didn't. I went to college, learned some computer stuff and now work in IT.
I will gladly support any form of LEGAL immigration, but I'm against ILLEGALs. Period!

Anonymous said...

A new study reveals that we have more illegals in the country now than all the immigration of Brits, Italians, Polish, and Irish combined throughout 400 years since America's inception.

Here's what Ron Paul's campaign theme should be:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5KSieH4Afc

Go Ron!

Seein' the Sunny Side said...

Oh, I don't know, maybe allowing illegals to come here might be cheaper, in the long run. Heck, you could even see it as a government-sponsored cost-saving measure for the average citizen. How, you ask?

Well, I was thinking of travelling the globe later this year, visiting many exotic lands to learn of the local people and their cultures and traditions. But at this rate, maybe it would be easier and cheaper if I stayed home, and just had the world come here and stay.... :)

Hey, maybe I should send that idea to McCain: he likes those mindless "feel-good" platitudes! The guy's got the makin's of a good real estate agent!!

Bitter Renter said...

Perhaps if American trade and economic policies hadn't driven so many Latin Americans into poverty they wouldn't be coming here to find work.

Legal, illegal, doesn't matter. People seeking to alleviate their suffering don't need to follow artificial rules. I support that position.

stats please said...

anonymous,

So where are these stats of yours?

Since just the four sources you mentioned in just the last 150 years have contributed 20 million immigrants. I'd really like to see your numbers for their total contribution over the last 400 and your numbers for the number of current illegal immigrants.

Or do you just make stuff up?

honica jewinski said...

I don't know how many times I have to say this.......
Criminal mexican invaders now kill more Americans EACH AND EVERY YEAR than were killed on 9/11.
In addition to all this cold blooded murder, they rape tens of thousands of underaged American children. How can any American support this savagery?
We need to:
1. Deport all criminal mexican invaders immediatly
2. Land mine the entire mexican/American border
3. Write new legislation making it easier and incentive laden for educated, civilized, white Europeans to immigrate here.

What's so evil about this plan? It's good for America, is that a bad thing?
Do any of you worry about islamic "terrorists"?
Do you realize that they look damned similar to mexicans?
Do you realize that our border is wide freakin open?

Anonymous said...

"Perhaps if American trade and economic policies hadn't driven so many Latin Americans into poverty they wouldn't be coming here to find work."

Maybe if every other family in the neighborhood down south did not have six children per family there might be a little more opportunity.

Ah, those northerners are having less kids and that excess wealth -- they stole it from us!

Anonymous said...

"Legal, illegal, doesn't matter. People seeking to alleviate their suffering don't need to follow artificial rules."

Drunk Driver/ Sober driver, doesn't matter.

Bank Robber/ Bank depositor, doesn’t matter.

Wife Beater/ Wife Supporter, doesn't matter.

Social Security card holder / Social Security card robber, doesn't matter.

Insurance paying citizen / Illegal criminal border crosser getting free medical care, doesn’t matter.

Anchor baby/ child born with parents who are citizens, doesn’t matter.

Identity security / identity theft, doesn’t matter.

After all they just People trying to alleviate their suffering and artificial rules have no validity.

What an idiot.


Happy Baby Boomer in Glendale AZ.

felix said...

El Presidente Jorge Bush lo quiere

Anonymous said...

Facts at a Glance: Trends in Gangs in the US.

• Gang members in the United States: 800,000
• State and local police in the United States: 708,000

Source: Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California); hearing testimony June 5, 2007

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* In 1999 it is estimated that 47% of gang members were Hispanic, 31% were African American, 13% were white, and 7% were Asian. These percentages seem to remain fairly steady over the years.

Source: U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention


Bring more poverty and gangs in...you guys are geniuses. Don't come crying after your family gets killed, robbed, or raped by a gang member. I won't even discuss the cost to taxpayers to carry all this unnecessary Hispanic gang activity. Hey, Wal-Mart, developers, and McDonalds need cheap labor, right?

Anonymous said...

Bush and his cronies are selling the American worker cheap to China, Mexico, and Saudi Arabia. Pay up, suckers!

Guy Daley said...

Happy Baby Boomer in Az

That is one of the best post retorts I have EVER read. Thanks for driving THAT point home.

Anonymous said...

" Nice to see the Republicans 100% against the idiotic Bush/McCain/Kennedy Immigration debacle"

Bush and McCain ARE Republicans.

Do go out and buy yourself a clue.

Anonymous said...

All things repuke have been discredited, the onerous is on the GWbush lovers to admit they were dead wrong and pay for their mistakes.

Bitter Renter said...

Coming here to fill a job and make money while at the same time contributing to the economy of the country you "invaded" is not:

drunk driving
wife beating
bank robbing
etc
etc
etc

If there was no demand there would be no supply. Those "illegals" contribute millions to the economy and keeping them out will sink the USA.

Anonymous said...

This country is going down the shithole with these empty eye Mexican shotbags. Come on people, have a bunch living beside you then you know. Yeah and the I want to see your rethoric...liberal idiots

Anonymous said...

www.numbersusa.com

Anonymous said...

bitter renter once again gets the award for stupidest post of the day. American policies made Mexico the shithole it is? Dude you have got to stop reading every Marxist website out there, it is turning your brain into mush.

Anonymous said...

"No chance the immigration stupidity currently proposed by our corrupted congress will pass.
No chance."

Wrong. It will pass with flying colors. Democrats want 15 million new votes. Republicans want cheap labor. It is a bill made in heaven for both sides. Only ones opposed are you and me, Joe Average and as we all know nobody gives a fuck what we think anymore, especially in D.C.

SeattleMoose said...

What about the word ILLEGAL is tripping people up?

ILLEGAL means punishment, not free McMeals and healthcare at OUR expense!!!!

Anonymous said...

Bush and the CorporateWhores in BOTH parties of Congress are willing SELL American Citizenship CHEAP.

To REWARD or FAST TRACK these Illegals Aliens or Allow them legal status is ABSOLUTELY WRONG Dispite their Marches, Organizations, Protests and DEMANDS Period.

Immigration laws ON THE BOOKS should be ENFORCED! Illegals should NOT be allowed Housing, Public assistance Health Care, jobs, Drivers licenses WHATEVER. Every STATE and the US Government NEEDS to FREEZE them OUT of the US Economically if they CAN'T Identify and Round them all up!

Landlords, Employers and ANYONE AIDING and ABETTING Illegals SHOULD be Jailed, Fined and have their property Impounded to defrey the Costs of Collecting, Processing, Transporting them to ACROSS the US BORDER

Let them DEMAND that their OWN COUNTRY Take Care of and Provide for them...NOT the LEGAL US TAXPAYERS and their Future Kids.

They WANT to come to the US...GET in LINE for Citizenship or Apply for a LEGAL Green Card.

One of my Parents HAD to APPLY and WAIT in LINE like Thousands of Others...they CAN TOO !

Anonymous said...

honica jewinski is an equal opportunity hater! Jews, Muslims and Mexicans.

Raynla said...

Housing Crash Unintended Effect #205849

All the illegals go home and the entire US economy crashes. To say no would be like saying that the Subprime problem will be contained.

RayNLA

Anonymous said...

KEITH WATCH AND POST!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rLYph0J7vc

Anonymous said...

looked like a bunch of idiots talking. corporate america has no problems sending american jobs to china, where they don't speak english or parts of india.

Anonymous said...

What do I have to press 1 for English in fukin America!

Ha ha, I read on that on a blog or YouTube somewhere, the goons are listening and reading,...

keith said...

Bush and McCain are NOT republicans. At least not republicans like I know them (limited government, limited spending, laissez faire, tough on national security)

They've destroyed the republican party, and true republicans (like ron paul) are starting to get heard

Anonymous said...

This may be a country of immigrants, but they were largely LEGAL and committed to being American. The illegal aliens flowing back and forth over the southern border are not only ILLEGAL, but are hardly committed to the nation. They're here to make money, period! They're here to use our medical and education systems, period!

That's why we need to bring great penalties upon employers who hire, employ and cover for illegal aliens. Past a few offenses, summary confiscation of their businesses is well in order!

That all being said, I actually know an illegal immigrant. (Note I didn't say "alien" in this case; I said and meant "immigrant".) She walked to the US border from Guatemala, as a family of children fleeing militant violence. Once in the US she eventually made contact with a Christian man, became his wife, and produced 2 children for him. Since she's obviously become American by intent and by deed, I'm doing nothing about her illegal status. She's a housewife and mother and bothers no one. (It's a matter of great misfortune that her circumstances for legalization involve returning to the Guatemalan hell hole first, with no guarantee of being able to return to her husband and children. She simply can't do that, and won't.)

SHE is the kind of illegal immigrants which we have no trouble with. The trouble comes from illegal ALIENS who take great advantage of our medical, education and other First World systems and give little to nothing back in return. They conspire with employers to break the law of the nation, merely for personal gain.

Bitter Renter said...

Many of the immigrants who came here from Europe in the last century did not plan on staying. They came to make money and then go home. More than 4 million did so. Read the book:
Round-Trip to America: The Immigrants Return to Europe, 1880-1930

There goes the theory that the "good" immigrants from which many of us came weren't all just dying to become part of America. Many were no different than the illegals we have now.

But I suspect that many of you anti-immigrant, racist, reactionaries don't read scholarly analysis of sociological topics, getting most of your education from right wing nutjob radio.

Anonymous said...

I think this amnesty bill has lit a fire under a lot of people. My in-laws for example. Nonpolitical types, pay attention every 4 years about a month before the election, usually vote Dem, voted for Clinton twice, Bush in 2000 and Kerry in '04.

They are mad as hell about this. I actually get emails fwded from them about calling my senator to say no to amnesty and in the 8 years I've known them I've never had them initiate a political coversation with me.

Maybe it's an isolated incident but maybe this was the last straw to wake Americans up to what the fuck is going out there.

Anonymous said...

Ron Paul is an extremist with very dangerous views. Luckily nobody but yahoos online pay attention to him. What's his support at these days, 0.2%?

Frank said...

"Those "illegals" contribute millions to the economy and keeping them out will sink the USA"

This definitely qualifies as the dumbest thing I've seen this morning so far. Recent studies (e.g., Heritage) have shown that the net effect of illegals with less than a high school education (which is almost every single one from Latin America) is a cost to the US taxpayer of $20,000 per illegal per year! How is that a "contribution"? I guess it's the same philosophy behind the housing boom - slap a few happy labels on a disaster and hope people don't look closely enough to see the big lie...

SPECTRE of Deflation said...

Frank said...
"Those "illegals" contribute millions to the economy and keeping them out will sink the USA"

This definitely qualifies as the dumbest thing I've seen this morning so far. Recent studies (e.g., Heritage) have shown that the net effect of illegals with less than a high school education (which is almost every single one from Latin America) is a cost to the US taxpayer of $20,000 per illegal per year! How is that a "contribution"? I guess it's the same philosophy behind the housing boom - slap a few happy labels on a disaster and hope people don't look closely enough to see the big lie...

Thank you for pointing out the fact that illegals are a huge drain on our social services, they send their money back home to family instead of keeping it within our economy, and they ROB Americans with wages held too low by their presence.

Shagging ass across the border isn't immigration, it's a crime.

SPECTRE of Deflation said...

bitter Renter said...
Good. They'll lose even more votes in 2008.

This is a country of immigrants. Largely ignorant, insular immingrants who eventually evolved and built this country. Well, except for the republicans.

Where oh where do you come up with this shit? Still talking Party politics I see while both steal us blind. You are the perfect example of "sheeple".

SPECTRE of Deflation said...

Bitter Renter said...
Perhaps if American trade and economic policies hadn't driven so many Latin Americans into poverty they wouldn't be coming here to find work.

Legal, illegal, doesn't matter. People seeking to alleviate their suffering don't need to follow artificial rules. I support that position.

The moronic notions just keep on coming from you.

SPECTRE of Deflation said...

Happy Baby Boomer in Glendale AZ.


Spot on with your comments. I think bitter renter is really a homebuilder. LOL!

Lets give it up...... said...

Bitter Renter said...
Many of the immigrants who came here from Europe in the last century did not plan on staying. They came to make money and then go home. More than 4 million did so. Read the book:
Round-Trip to America: The Immigrants Return to Europe, 1880-1930

You forgot to include that between 1880-1930 there was essentially no welfare state--you were on your own. You also forget that most of the immigrants were from europe and thus fairly westernized--they had skills and worked in the then leading sectors of the economy. You clearly are not in your vast intellectual exertions not reading study after study (check out work of Borgas at Harvard or CBO research) that proves that illegal immigrants depress wages for low skilled native workers and tend to cost more than they contribute--and those studies overstate the benefits becuase many send all their disposable income back in remitances. Its not racism (the cry of the lazy thinker to shut down discussion) its basic economics and cuase and effect. There is also the whole following the law thing.......God what morons are out there. We desrve to be vaporized as friggin stupid we are as a people. Yeesh.

And one more thing... said...

If some of you clowns actuall knew anything you would realize that ALL Countries are Nations of Immigrants--the U.S. is not unique in this so get off of it. Some countries just manage to control their borders coause they like the group of guys they have been hangin with for several generations. As we say in Australia--we have the right to choose who comes to our country and under what circumstances--pretty whacky eh? Even the French (but hey most of you do not read papers do you) have taken on to deporting people and in fact have started a plan to PAY people for leaving! Why? Becuase whether you like it or not, unassimilated low skilled people tend to have--guess what--kids that become unassimilated low skilled workers. So pay em $2500 per couple to leave and $1300 per kid. Also--yeah dudes your economy is just going to go great guns by brining in more undkilled semi-literate gardners and whatever just at the time when U.S. wages are stagnant--35 year old man now earns less than his dad did in 1974. So yeah, be nice let them all in and see what happens. Oi, Oi, Oi, Now the rest of our kids in other countries in 40 years will be sweating it about the big 3rd world country with nukes called the Los United Estates of Vatos....

fatamelican said...

The compromise is to allow a slave class in the U.S. that can vote. The slaves will fill jobs at W-M, pick crops, and do low end construction and cleaning. Their kids will overcrowd schools and hospitals and fill up the prisons but hey, that's the price we pay for the convenience of not owning them individually.

Massa Harry Reid and straw boss Ted Kennedy say bring 'em in 'cause when dey gets to vote, most be votin' D.

Anonymous said...

"At least not republicans like I know them (limited government, limited spending, laissez faire, tough on national security)"

No Republican has ever believed in this stuff. It's just a smokescreen. The only thing Republicans believe in is using power to enrich themselves and their cronies.

bitter renter's a cretin said...

Frank said...
"Those "illegals" contribute millions to the economy and keeping them out will sink the USA"

This definitely qualifies as the dumbest thing I've seen this morning so far

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Keep reading this guy's posts you might change your mind, it gets even dumber, trust me.

flyinthesoup said...

Next time you're sitting in a good ethnic (Mexican, Chinese, Indian) restaurant with people who think amnesty for illegals is OK, ask them why no blacks or white anglos work there. Face it, most illegals are bigoted and/or racist, but they expect no such treatment from the communities they invade.

It's fun to hear "progressives" try to explain how diversity only applies to businesses owned by republicans. The real downside I fear from mass deportation of Mexicans is the dearth of good TexMex restaurants that will follow.

Anonymous said...

I will gladly support any form of LEGAL immigration, but I'm against ILLEGALs. Period!
____
I see this a lot -- legal immigrants being the most vehement about not being soft on ILlegal immigrants.

Makes sense; they jumped through all the hoops and dealt with the red tape to become Americans. Why shouldn't everyone else?

Bitter Renter said...

I'm the only one to cite a scholarly analysis refuting the ignorant claim that these immigrants are somehow different from the immigrants we descended from and you call me dumb. LOL! Most of you reactionary, walking brainstems wouldn't be giving a second thought to "illegals" if it weren't for the republican party's need to find more scapegoats and enemies.

But I do commend the idiot who referenced the Heritage Foundation. Real unbiased source there.

As for immigrants depressing wages, well, that's CAPITALISM, the God of this awful culture, the DISEASE we've infected the world with. Also, the union busting of the past 30 years, outsourcing, and exportation of jobs all depressed wages.

See people, the whole IDEA of capitalism is to depress wages. There was a story on NPR yesterday that since we sent so much work to India it has become much more expensive to employ Indians so the Indians are sending jobs to Mexican engineers. Nice, huh? A race to the bottom. That's capitalism.

You vote for it, you worship it, you participate in the greed that it's based on but then you want to try and tame the monster you've created.

Besides, no one is going to get me to believe the republicans among you gives a RIP about "depressed wages" unless it's yours. You people, as goes for most in this land mass we think is a country, have lost all empathy and don't care what happens to your fellow man. Well, not until a tower blows up or a few caskets come back from Iraq. Then you dutifully cry some fake tears and it's back to deciding on which would be better, the cococa brown velour or the grey leather in the new Yukon?

bitter renter's a tool said...

keith can you ban this idiot from posting PLEASE????

Guy Daley said...

I've heard countless times about illegals earning slave wages. Is $20 an hour slave wages? Right here in Wyoming at the Sinclair processing plant, there are hundreds of construction workers and guess what. They have supervisors that speak english because the trades people DO NOT. How did they get hired? Easy, forged papers. Do they pay taxes? It works like this. You claim Married and 9 for withholding purposes to minimize the amount of federal income tax taken out and then of course you simply DO NOT file income taxes. Whats astonishing is that Americans are unaware of these practices, WHY? Where have you been all this time? $20 an hour is NOT an isolated example. Most people in construction earn $10 an hour and up and most of them are paid CASH. That means no social security, no federal income, etc. which means $10 an hour is worth $13 - $14 an hour. ARE THESE SLAVE WAGES?

If I hear one more time about illegals earning slave wages I'm going to puke. But I guess I'll end up starving at that rate. I have called Senator McCain, Kyl and Enzi today. Today is the freakin' deadline, CALL YOUR BACKSTABBING, TRAITOROUS SENATORS TODAY.

Here is the capitol switchboard number: (202) 224-3121

Oh yeah and after the construction jobs disappear, you think they're going to go back to picking vegetables and fruit? Not likely, their damn kid/s are CITIZENS NOW. Jesus Christ I can hear the death rattles of this country. The sheeple are getting SHEARED!!

Bitter Renter said...

I suspect that Keith won't ban me from posting despite the difference he may have with the content of my posts. I am generally respectful, thoughtful and add a different view of this and other situations.

You are no doubt a conservative who prefers a format like right wing talk radio where opposing views are silenced. If you don't like what I write and can't comprehend the concepts perhaps it's better if you skip my posts altogether. But obviously I have struck a chord and probably stimulated you to think judging by the extreme reaction my posts have provoked. I always know I'm effective when people start attacking me personally. It's the sign that the intellect of those who hate what I say simply can't compete.

Anonymous said...

Here's another immigrant story that never gets to election debate. There are millions of these low lives out there waiting for a citizenship or for the opportunity to commit crimes:

"(Sun-Sentinel) Circuit Judge William Thomas sentenced Victor Caraballo to death Thursday for the 2002 murder of 18-year-old Ana Maria Angel.

Caraballo confessed that he, his brother and three friends kidnapped and robbed Angel and her boyfriend, Nelson Portobanco. The couple, high school sweethearts, were snatched from a Miami Beach street corner after they had taken a midnight stroll on the beach.

Caraballo and the other four men drove the couple north on Interstate 95, taking turns raping Angel while Portobanco crouched on the floor of the truck.

The men stabbed Portobanco and left him for dead by the side of the highway. Portobanco survived and was able to make his way to the road and flag down a passing motorist. Though he was critically injured, he immediately alerted authorities that Angel was in danger.

Police mounted a massive search, but they were too late. Angel was found by the side of the road with a gunshot to the back of the head. Her hands were clasped in prayer.

A Miami-Dade jury found Caraballo guilty of kidnapping, robbery, rape, murder and attempted murder and recommended by a vote of 9-3 that Caraballo be sentenced to death.

Caraballo, 39, who worked a number of jobs including construction, was the first of five Orlando-area men tried for the crime. A jury last month recommended he be sentenced to death.

Still awaiting trial are Caraballo's brother, Hector Caraballo, 35; Cesar Mena, 27; Joel Lebron, 28; and Jesus Roman, 21."

Anonymous said...

"the cococa brown velour or the grey leather in the new Yukon?"

haha...the funniest thing written today. This last remark was sooo gay, Bitter Renter. ("Not that there's anything wrong with that").

Bitter Renter said...

The Yukon comment was meant to convey American yuppie consumerist indifference to the world around them. But if it sounded gay, well, you read me well as I am a member of that tribe.

Anonymous said...

(Lou Dobbs) ICE (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement) conducted a threat assessment survey of all field offices:

"The results of the assessment showed that most major metropolitan areas were experiencing a surge in gang activity. Additionally, the survey showed that membership of these violent transnational gangs was comprised largely of foreign-born nationals."

Source: ICE "Operation Community Shield" Fact Sheet June 6, 2007

Anonymous said...

Kiss your good American paying jobs bye-bye:

"The Senate Amnesty Bill

• H1-B visa program would be expanded to 180,000.

• Under amendment now included in the bill, foreign students with advanced degrees from colleges and universities outside the United States would be included.

Source: Cornyn/Cantwell amendments"

Anonymous said...

"But if it sounded gay, well, you read me well as I am a member of that tribe."

I know you are, Bitter Renter. No prejudice from me. I just thought that the comment was funny.

Anonymous said...

Give citizenship to 20 million low lives and leave the border wide open for more to come in. You guys are geniuses!

"Florida ranks fifth in arrests of sexual predators by federal authorities, according to statistics released Thursday.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has arrested 544 sex offenders in Florida since the agency launched Operation Predator in 2003. That places the Sunshine State in fifth place, behind only New Jersey, New York, Texas and California.

Nationwide, ICE has made 10,061 arrrests of sexual predators involved in child-exploitation crimes, the agency said.

Of those, 8,601 were foreign nationals convicted of crimes committed against children via the Internet, sex tourism or human trafficking. Immigration authorities said they have deported more than 5,500 of those offenders.

Among ICE's notable Miami cases:

• In April, a federal jury convicted a wealthy Miami Beach father who traveled to Cambodia in 2004 to have sex with underage girls. Kent Frank, prosecuted on sex-tourism charges under the Protect Act, faces at least 30 years in prison. His conviction marked a first in Florida. The case was among about 30 Protect Act prosecutions nationwide.

• In 2004, a federal judge sentenced a Miami Beach child pornographer to 100 years in prison. Angel Rafael Mariscal was convicted of running a child-pornography business and having sex with underage girls in videos shot in Cuba and his native Ecuador. Mariscal had been diagnosed in 1996 as HIV positive, the virus the causes AIDS.

Information about Operation Predator is available at www.ice.gov."

Anonymous said...

I don't like letting illigals stay as citizens. I do feel some type of temporary worker program could work though.

Hear me out these people live somewhere. They buy food gas and other necessities. How many more permanently empty homes would we have? how many businesses would go under without them shopping there?

We should never have let it get this bad in the first place thank our current chimpy and all the idiots we the sheeple elect. If we want a real full blown Greater Depression though send 20,000,000 consumers home.

Option B is give them the right to work and pay taxes and social security However require they go home if disabled or caught committing any other crime. Its not a perfect idea but taking a chunk the size of NYC out of your economy is stupid.

You want houses to go down though 5 more million empty ones should take care of it.

Sequoia512

Frank said...

" If we want a real full blown Greater Depression though send 20,000,000 consumers home."

That's all right -- those 20M illegals send most of their illegally-gotten income to their home countries. And they live in only about 1M homes total. Ok, some hyperbole: maybe they live in 2M. But let's just say that due to their many-families-in-one-rental nature, the real effect will only be one moderate factor amongst many on the massive housing collapse.

To Bitter Renter, who considers Heritage biased, perhaps you could stick to arguing facts, not sources? You appear educated enough to recognize that casting doubt based on source does nothing to address (for good or bad) the facts presented. Can you present a recent comprehensive study that identifies systemological flaws in the Heritage study? If so, I believe you'd be the first in the blogosphere...

SPECTRE of Deflation said...

Deadlocked U.S. Senate Shelves Immigration Overhaul (Update1)

By James Rowley and Nicholas Johnston

June 8 (Bloomberg) -- The Senate shelved a proposed historic rewrite of U.S. immigration law, deadlocking late yesterday over legislation to give lawful status to 12 million illegal aliens.

Democrats and Republicans traded accusations over who was to blame for the stalemate over a plan that had the support of President George W. Bush. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, said Bush failed to muster enough support from Republicans.

``Where were the president's men?'' Reid said last night. ``I hope the president understands it's only going to be 16 months'' to the 2008 presidential election. ``He has a relatively short period of time to help us with this.''

The measure's future was left in doubt as the Senate failed to cut off a debate that lasted nine days. In addition to creating a path toward citizenship for undocumented aliens, the legislation would tighten the U.S. border with Mexico and create a guest-worker program Bush championed to help U.S. businesses fill jobs Americans won't take.

``This bill is on life support and its future depends on the president getting his own party behind comprehensive reform,'' New Jersey Democrat Robert Menendez said in a statement. Republicans said Reid should have allowed more time to debate proposed changes to the measure.

GOOD JOB FOLKS! Watch popularism run in this next election! Down with elites and elitism!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

"If we want a real full blown Greater Depression though send 20,000,000 consumers home. "

Illegals take more than they put back into the economy, and that's a fact backed up by research. For example, illegals wire transfer 85% of their cash earnings back to their country of origin, instead of putting back into the economy or helping to pay for the extra infrastructure (i.e., roads, sewage, electricity, water, etc) they use in a daily basis. Illegals put $1 back for every $2 they consume in welfare, and we pay for that.

Since illegals earn most of their money in cash under the table, they don't pay enough taxes either. So when time comes to use Medicare, they'll be sucking out of real taxpayers like us.

What else...there are 800,000 gang members in the US, with 47% of those being Hispanic immigrants. Let's do a back of the envelope calculation here: 400,000 X $80,000 (annual cost for incarceration to taxpayers) = $32,000,000,000 annually.

BTW, don't believe for a minute that illegals will volunteer to pay taxes after getting a citizenship. They will continue to earn cash under the table like before. Who would volunteer to pay taxes if it can be avoided? Do you really think that illegals, after getting a citizenship and continuing to do the same job in cash, will tell the IRS: "Here, I made this much cash under the table, please tax me!" C'mon, use common sense here, rinse twice.

The corporations and crook politicians don't want to discuss costs, because it would freak the sheeple out.

Now I ask you: Do we really need this s**t?

Bitter Renter said...

Here's an organization that cites references refuting the Heritage assertions:

Southern Poverty Law Center

Search the page for "Heritage" and you'll see that even other conservatives refute the Heritage "findings".

Peoud to say that I'm a regular contributing member of the SPLC and have been for years. ACLU, too. I'm a veritable Sean Hannity nightmare.

SPECTRE of Deflation said...

Bush hopes to revive immigration bill
By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer
Fri Jun 8, 3:08 PM ET

El Presidente' Jorge' just won't let this traitorous piece of legislation die. Does he not get the 98,000 acres in Paraguay
if the deal doesn't get done?

He should be Impeached on the grounds that he has failed to live up to his Constitutional duties as our President. 6 years after 9/11 and the borders are wide open, and Vice Presidente' Cheney says the threat of nuclear terrorism is very real.

Here's a clue jackasses, close the border, and maybe just maybe we can protect our sovereignty and our continuation as a nation.

SPECTRE of Deflation said...

Bitter Renter said...
Here's an organization that cites references refuting the Heritage assertions:

Southern Poverty Law Center

Search the page for "Heritage" and you'll see that even other conservatives refute the Heritage "findings".

Peoud to say that I'm a regular contributing member of the SPLC and have been for years. ACLU, too. I'm a veritable Sean Hannity nightmare.

I got another name for ya, but I will keep it quiet as not to upset the harmony of the site. LOL!

Do you not understand that both the Republicans and Democrats can give a rat's ass about either one of us? Everyday do you wake up as if it's literally the first day of the rest of your life including loss of memory and any sense of history?

You still follow a Party line making you a sheeple of the first order.

Anonymous said...

The majority of people who defend amnesty for illegals haven't taken one class of economics, finance, statistics, or accounting in their lives. They are totally clueless of costs to taxpayers and to our quality of life.

The idea that importing more poverty, criminals, and illiteracy is GREAT for the US is beyond comprehension, especially when 40% of the American population have no health insurance.

Keep in mind that the majority of well-informed citizens are not advocating for a total ban on immigration, but we are in favor of a more sustainable approach that respects our limited resources (including natural) and the power of exponential growth.

Please watch(especially Bitter Renter)this unbiased google video about immigration stats, to get a better idea of how the current system is not sustainable. Folks, this is a scientific approach based on mathematics, not blind ideology:

http://tinyurl.com/ymxo27

BTW, I'm an legal immigrant.

Christopher George said...

Here is a letter I just sent to Senaror McCain's office, thought I would share it here and get some feedback.

Dear Mr. McCain,

I am writing you today in regards to the immigration bill you are sponsoring, my hope is that you will set aside your own agenda long enough to hear my plea, the plea of entire generation looking down the barrel of a gun.

HENRY C. JACKSON, Associated Press Writer Quoting John McCain:

"This is a burning issue," he said. "Every town hall meeting I have there is this kind of deep concern. But there's also a desire to see us do something. They wonder, 'Why won't you fix it?' That's why they send us to Washington. To fix things."

Is granting amnesty (and don't you dare say it isn't amnesty - give the American people some credit for once) really fixing the problem Mr. McCain? Yes, the American people want you to fix "it" we want you to deport every illegal and build a fence. Better yet why not start enforcing laws already in existence? If you make it unprofitable, or better yet more costly, for U.S. companies to hire illegal’s then there will be no more jobs for illegal’s and hence no more illegal’s.

HENRY C. JACKSON, Associated Press Writer Quoting John McCain:

"So for us to do nothing and celebrate the fact that we stopped this legislation, well then those who have a better idea can give it to us."

Please see my better, simpler and more cost effective idea above.

Mr. McCain, I realize that you are a U.S. Senator and as such, gave up your moral compass along time ago, but I implore you - think clearly man. Do the right thing! Stop this socialist nonsense, do something right for this god damn country for once! Do something right for people like me who are getting squeezed. These people are taking jobs from Americans, jobs we need because you have allowed U.S. Companies to offshore most of the decent paying jobs.

I am a member of the first generation in this country who will actually see their standard of living get worse instead of better. That is your fault Mr. McCain, double talk all you want, it is your fault! Ever read any history Mr. McCain? Ever learn about the fall of Rome?? Well every great civilization comes to an end eventually, and we sir are Rome. Isn’t it ironic that your title is Senator??

I hope you read this, and I hope you actually make the right decision for my generation. But you will probably just get offended because who am I to tell you, a great U.S. Senator what to do. I am nobody Mr. McCain, this country is full of people like me and you are clearly doing your very best to keep it that way.

Sincerely,

Christopher George

Bitter Renter said...

Saying republicans and democrats are the same is a simplistic, defeatist attitude. Unfortunately, the democrats are as socialist as we're going to get which is to say not enough but they're light years better for the masses than the republicans could ever dream of being.

Everything you take for granted that has improved your life is the result of a policy put forth by democrats. All the bad things, including the real estate bubble, were given to us by republicans/conservatives. (Repealing the tax consequences for flipping was a republican policy passed by a republican Congress.)

To the other poster, whenever anyone says "unbiased source" you can be sure it's as biased as can be. Your little video could have been made during any immigration period. The natives always hate seeing new people move in. Hell, I live in Portland Oregon and they HATE seeing fellow Americans from California move here!

Some of you "legal" immigrants are worse than nnaitve Americans. You don't like the idea of the unwashed getting in ot the private "Club USA" that you joined. Call it the Country Club Mentality. Many of the "legal" ones are the highly educated who come here to escape their countries and don't want it following them here. Not exactly an attitude borne of altruism. But then again, America is a magnet for the selfish of the world as well as the desperate.

Bitter Renter said...

And another thing about NumbersUSA: a legitimate site doesn't make you log in to send an email contacting them. I wanted to know where their funding comes from since they didn't talk about it on their page. Imagine that. They must be trying to protect their "unbiased" funding source.

The wholes site reads like a paranoid American delusion. The funnieat part was trying to blame immigration for the lowering standard of living and stagnant wages. Rich capitalists, mainly republicans wouldn't be repsonsible for that, would they? Or would our corrupt capitalist system be paying us in bags of pure gold bullion if not for those pesky illegals? Dream on.

Anonymous said...

Bitter Renter, you are the king of contractions. You bash Republicans but you are siding with Bush and his Republican pals to give amnesty to 20 million illegals. Which one is it? Bush didn't give a damn about Americans in New Orleans during Katrina, but he's fighting soooo hard to help 20 million illiterate Mexicans. Sure, we believe his noble cause. Do you really think that his plan will benefit us, the hard working taxpayer? What about Ted Kennedy who wants amnesty even to illegals with a criminal record (read the bill before denying it's true).

40% of Americans don't have health insurance, but Bitter Renter and Bush want to bring another 20 million illegals into the system, especially knowing that they are clueless about responsible family planning.

The US has 800,000 gang members and only 700,000 police officers, as disclosed by Democrat Senator Diane Feinstein (Calif), with 47% of that being Hispanic immigrants (source ICE, based on trials, cases, inmates). But Bitter Renter and Bush want to bring millions more in by leaving the border wide open.

The roofing business was done predominantly by African-Americans who used to earn $18 per hour, which helped high school drop outs make a living. However, with the invasion of millions of illegals willing to do the same job for $8 per hour, African-Americans were pushed out of that trade. Keep in mind that contractors and developers never transferred the savings to customers, pocketing the extra $10 entirely. But Bitter Renter and Bush want to bring more illegals in to continue to depress wages and put more American citizens out of work.

Finally, Bitter Renter and Bush think that the US has unlimited resources to accommodate millions of immigrants per year, ad infinitum. Florida is already running out of water and other states are facing electric blackouts. Here's another excellent video that explains the power of exponential growth and its implications to our limited resources:

http://tinyurl.com/29e85c

Are you going to say that Dr. Albert Bartlett, a scientist-professor of Physics at University of Colorado is biased, too for explanation the exponential power model?

Regarding the other video, that guy got the numbers from Census and immigration statistics, making it easy for the dumbest to understand by translating the numbers into gumballs in a jar. Where are you going to get population growth or immigration numbers if not from Census and INS? What's biased about that? He never says during the video that he's against immigration (controlled).

I'm not sure why you want this amnesty so badly, but you don't make any sense whatsoever, especially with the mountain of evidence presented.

BTW, I'm a registered Democrat who never voted Republican before, but I will vote for Ron Paul this time. And as I said before, I'm also a legal immigrant.