April 16, 2007

Just a note

On days like today (which come too frequently) I hope Americans realize that the NRA and the gun lobby are evil.

If you need a license, registration and training to drive a car, is it too much to ask for the same in regards to owning a gun?

Your leaders have failed you. And the American people have failed themselves.

I hope you have a good civil chat about this issue. Without the usual Democrat and Republican bullsh*t.

We'll return to the housing crash tomorrow.


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Anonymous said...

There were plenty of guns around in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s.

Why didn't the proliferation of guns cause more senseless school shootings then?

Anonymous said...

Go away troll. If others at the school had been armed, this kook would not have been able to do what he did. Have you ever noticed these things never happen where there is a likelyhood of armed people around?

Anonymous said...

If he had a license...would that have prevented him from killing people?

That's like saying we should have drunk drivers get drivers licenses..that way they wouldn't kill people. Wait, they do that already and it doesn't work somehow.

Actually if they allowed concealed carry on campus, some of those kids would have been armed...it would have been their only chance.

decaffeinated said...

Why, I believe that all Americans should have the right to bear arms and slaughter their countrymen. It's the American way, baby!

P.S. I predict that nothing will come of this slaughter...no laws will change and no one, in the end, will give a rat's ass about these horrific deaths.

Anonymous said...

Blaming this on the NRA or on guns is like blaming 9/11 on box cutters.

I thought you had more sense than that.

Anonymous said...

How would registration have prevented this crime?

Not being combative, but I fail to see how any legislation will prevent criminals from obtaining guns.

I do not own a gun, nor do I intend to own one. That said, I think this point is worthy of consideration.

I you would have been present at this tragedy, and if you for whatever reason did have a gun i your possession, would you have used deadly force to stop this criminal in the middle of the act? Or would you keep the weapon in your pocket and allow additional murders to be committed, patiently waiting for the police to arrive?

Would you be willing to watch your friends be murdered?

Anti-gun individuals (which you may or may not be) always blame the gun.

What gets rewarded gets repeated.

Every time one of these lunatics decides to go out in a blaze of glory, everyone in the vicinity cowers and runs, giving that person their great visceral moment of power. I'm sure it is a hue rush to their twisted minds.

If, on the other hand every time someone tried this, an armed citizen apprehended, wounded or killed them, there would clearly be less opportunity for them to believe that they would have their 15 minutes of mass-murderer fame.

A well-armed populace is very egalitarian. It balances power evenly among people.

What could be more liberal than equality.

Tight gun restrictions on otherwise law-abiding citizens simply ensures that such gunmen know that they are able to run the show in any manner they see fit, and without hindrance, as long as they make sure that there are no police in the vicinity at the moment they act.

How difficult is that?

I will GLADLY stop arguing in favor of citizens owning guns WHEN we have an armed police officer on every block.

How can the argument be made that the government prevents me from owning a means of self defense, but provides no alternate means of protection?

Either provide me with a community bodyguard, or allow me to be my own.

Instead, the opinion is that is should allow myself to be killed, and when the police show up, the begin the process of ensuring that the killer gets a fair trial.

In the meantime, the innocent citizen has already been executed.

Dan - Arlington, VA said...

Keith, yours is the first page I peruse each day, and I never take issue with your sometiimes off the topic political commentary. Till now...

Is now really the time to drop your two-bits of politic spin, when students and faculty are still holed up in dorms and offices fearing for their safety. Did you really have to invite this debate today, before loved ones even know the whereabouts of their friends and family? Was it really necessary to invite the NRA-ists and pacifists to lock horns on this RIGHT NOW, instead of swallowing your microphone for a crummy 24 hours?

You've already got three worthless comments in response to this - no doubt hundreds more could come. And, thanks to your catalyst, its likely that not one moment of thought will be left to consider the tragedy while the banter about guns rights heats up.

Shame on all of us if thats what this forum has become.

Anonymous said...

NRA are simply crazy - if you want to see how a group of people can live together without packing a gun just come up to Canada. The only time I see a gun is on a cop - if somebody should be shot - it should be buy a person that's had enough training to know where the bullet is going.

If you live in a city and own a gun, do the world a favour and point it at your head while your cleaning it - at least something will be cleaned up.

Anonymous said...

the only anti gun post so far is the only one based on emotions, not facts. we are all saddend by these events but abandoning common sense and liberty will do nothing to prevent these types of events in the future.

onemorebeer said...

I can understand hunting rifles but powerful handguns like Glock and full-automatic rifles should be banned. The presence of a gun makes a domestic violence incident 12 times more likely to end in death.

Impeachbush said...

Hell hath no fury like the NRA.

Anonymous said...

"Go away troll. If others at the school..."

Pay attention. You agree with me. I'm saying guns aren't the problem. There is something wrong with our society and our children. Think about the 1940s. Not only were we at war, but unlike today, the media were whole-heartedly behind it - openly portraying soldiers as heroes and encouraging kids to play with army men. And yet I don't recall a school shooting like this until the University of Texas in 1966. The kids in the 40's clearly had access to guns.
Personally, I believe this is a result of the steady erosion of moral values - and one of the dangers of discouraging religion. In atheism, arguably, there is no right or wrong. If an atheist believes there is - I'd like him or her to show me the moral treatise upon which that statement is based. Hopefully, the atheist bible isn't some old John Lennon album.

Kenduffelsniffenspotzen said...

"A well-armed populace is very egalitarian. It balances power evenly among people."

Yeah. I'm surprised the Republicans didn't ban it long ago.

SPECTRE of Deflation said...

The Second Amendment makes all the other Amendments possible. Hitler, Stalin, Moa all took the guns from the populace as fast as possible because it's difficult to practice tryanny when the populace can defend themselves. I thought you were more of a student of history than your post would indicate.

Markus Arelius said...

Keith, how dare you suggest that I don't have the right to bear arms without a license.

When the gub'ment goes corrupt and declares marshall law on us all, you'll be begging to come over to my house and use my double-barrel shotgun to take out the Apache helicopters flying overhead in order to defend your family and property.

And it's my God-given right to bare arms, so don't you Demicrats try to squelch this!

If it's good enough for Charlton Heston's "cold, dead hands" then it's good 'nuff fer me!

Anonymous said...


These people could have been killed by someone driving a cement truck into a crowd, and no one would be screaming that we need "cement truck control".

Keith frequently outs himself as a left-leaning poof-ball.

It's tragic these people were killed at Virginia Tech. It doesn't help anyone, though, to use this as an occasion to say, "See, this is why we need stiffer gun control."

Maybe if some of the students had been packing, the gunman would have been killed before he did much harm.

Anonymous said...

I have to somewhat agree with the other posters.

I am a Canadian (now living in the USA) and we have copious laws and legislation in place regarding the control of weapons. Certifications and training are required for anyone wishing to purchase a firearm.

Yet this did not stop Mark Lepine from walking into a university in Montreal and killing 15 unarmed individuals in cold blood. (An event a previous Canadian poster on this thread has obviously forgotten)

And plesae note, I am not a member of the NRA. In fact, I would go so far as to agree with the statements regarding licensing of weapons. But the primary purpose of registration and licensing is ensure repeat criminals do not gain access to weapons. Those types of laws will do nothing to prevent one crazy individual from going on a rampage.

The better questions to ask are: what was wrong with this person in the first place and how can we go about identifying these types of mental problems in individuals early?

The point is, there are no limits on the types of laws that could be passed to mitigate these types of instances or various offenses for that matter. Curfews would limit property crime. Banning all weapons would limit violent crimes. But at what cost? And would the world we live in closely resemble that of a George Orwell novel?

Just my two cents.

Anonymous said...

NRA are simply crazy - if you want to see how a group of people can live together without packing a gun just come up to Canada.
Get off it.

If you want to see how a group of people can live together WHILE PACKING GUNS, come to Norway. Highest gun ownership in the world, very peaceful country.

Anonymous said...

Keith and others ought to keep in mind that drunk driving kills lots of people every week in the USA alone.

Get some perspective, you wankers. Quit trying to create drama.

anonmono said...

Let's just all agree that Keefer is an idiot.

keith said...

Canada and England seem to be doing just fine without handguns. I don't hear about possible invasions of Canada or England that need to be fended off by gun owners

True, a madman killed the kids, not the guns. But come on, hopefully some good can come of this and we start treating guns with the same seriousness that we treat driving a car. Is that asking too much?

The media here in London is incredulous. Scenes like this in the US are horrific when balanced against a country where the criminals don't have guns

Gun Deaths - International Comparisons
Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):

Homicide Suicide Unintentional

USA 4.08 (1999) 6.08 (1999) 0.42 (1999)

Canada 0.54 (1999) 2.65 (1997) 0.15 (1997)

Switzerland 0.50 (1999) 5.78 (1998) -

Scotland 0.12 (1999) 0.27 (1999) -

England/Wales 0.12 (1999/00) 0.22 (1999) 0.01 (1999)

Japan 0.04* (1998) 0.04 (1995) <0.01 (1997)

Anonymous said...

onemorebeer said...
I can understand hunting rifles but powerful handguns like Glock and full-automatic rifles should be banned.
Another example of wrongheaded thinking.

SHOTGUNS are devastating weapons at close range, but you don't hear too many calls for banning shotguns.

But ignorance, stupidity and group-think rule America these days, so it's no use.

Anonymous said...

Anyone who commits this type of problem has to have some major mental health issues. Alot of people are depressed about alot of thins including housing. Rage can build in a person to the point that they have to get it out somehow. I think this is a case of major depression and noone either saw the signs or didn't recognize the signs. I am not a doctor but my ex is manic and my daughter is psychotic so I have alot of experience dealing with depression.

Anonymous said...

No, in England you just beat each other to death at football games. Hooligan violence is something American's are incredulous about.

Anonymous said...

But come on, hopefully some good can come of this and we start treating guns with the same seriousness that we treat driving a car.
NOW you're outing yourself as a moron, Keith.

"The same serious we treat driving a car", are you kidding me? Like talking on cells phones, putting on makeup, fumbling for cigarettes while driving? Slamming down a 12-pack and then driving, killing yourself and three other people?

God gave you a brain, Keith, you ought to try using it on this issue as you have used it with the housing bubble.

Neo Con Conspiracy said...

Respectfully disagree with you Keith. The gun is not the issue. The nut is. How many of the 19 hijackers had guns. Zero.

We will have to agree to disagree.

I have firearms, and I hate it when tragedies like this happen.

onemorebeer said...

"A well-armed populace is very egalitarian. It balances power evenly among people. What could be more liberal than equality."

You ignorant yahoo. Why does 95 percent of these incidents happen in the US? Most US cities have homicide rates at least 10 times that of London, Paris, Berlin or Tokyo.

keith said...

have all the guns you want, but register them, submit to training and review every two years, and enough of the anarchy.

and if you're caught committing a crime with an unlicensed gun, you get 10 years added on. first offense.

I doubt gun regulations would have stopped this nut, but stories like these show the stupidity of US gun policy.

Anonymous said...

Have you ever noticed these things never happen where there is a likelyhood of armed people around?
Absolutely right. Try this on an Army post where there are a bunch of dudes walking around with loaded M-16s.

And let's take places such as military installations as examples. You have armed people everywhere, but they are all trained in how to use the firearms, and for the most part, they all follow strict sets of rules, and are quite disciplined people.

I would rather walk the streets at night in some of the western towns where everyone is packin', than in some of these milk-toast places where everyone is scared of guns.

OR NORWAY. I felt very, very safe in Norway, everywhere I went, especially the rural areas where EVERYONE has guns in their homes.

Anonymous said...

Homicide Suicide Unintentional

USA 4.08 (1999) 6.08 (1999) 0.42 (1999)

Canada 0.54 (1999) 2.65 (1997) 0.15 (1997)

Switzerland 0.50 (1999) 5.78 (1998)

I just lost any respect I had for you Keith.

Every male 18-35 has a gun in the house in Switzerland. It's not gun ownership that's the problem. The US is a violent society. It it wasn't guns it would be baseball bats or knives or tire irons that would be used to kill people.

As for the UK and Canada there have been plenty of mass killings there as well. In UK that guy killed 15 kids at a school in the 90s and in Canada there was a university mass shooting in Montreal that if I recall, ended with 5 deaths in the 80s as well as the Quebec National Assembly where 3 politicians were killed also back in the 80s.

It happens less often, but it does happen even with essentially a comlete ban on guns in both countries.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
No, in England you just beat each other to death at football games. Hooligan violence is something American's are incredulous about.
Ha, yeah. Do they need licenses to go to their football/soccer games?

People who are hell-bent on perpetrating violence will find ways to do it.

You ought to just delete this thread, Keith, it's making you look very stupid.

Anonymous said...

The NAR and NRA are both evil and outdated

Anonymous said...

"have all the guns you want, but register them, submit to training and review every two years, and enough of the anarchy."

Wonderful idea. Another government bureaucracy costing billions of dollars a year meant to control what little freedom I have left in this country.

trashwacker said...

America has a wide streak of violence, racism and greed that's the greatest ever documented in human history.
This trait was brought over by the first big waves of Northern European white trash scum who were undesirables in their own societies. The elite British born and bred "Founding Fathers" gave a veneer of legitimacy over this flotsam, solely for economic reasons and thus was a violent expansionary land grab under way.

WTS, (White Trasg Syndrome), has gradually infected Americans of all races,genders and ethnicities, as the unofficial but popular American way of life. As a result you have gun worshippers,Wal-Mart shoppers,
Hummer drivers,Nascar fans, wife abusers,country music ,Faux News watchers,violent child molesters,religious Christina wackos,Olive Garden diners,pornography,rabid drug consumers, realtors/mortgage brokers and finally sitting on top of it all, their President, George Bush.
Is this a great country or what?

concerned said...

A gunless society is a criminals paradise.

It's all about culture.....

Anonymous said...

Actually, you were right, but in recent years, gun violence has gone up substantially in Britain, and there has been talk of actually arming the famously-unarmed Bobbies.

I think that you could agree that Canada and Britain are not necessarily apples to oranges comparisons with the US.

I just read an article about a woman who was abducted, tortured and raped. No gun was involved.

Perhaps if the woman HAD been armed, she might have had a chance against the much larger male who attacked her.

It was, apparently, not possible for her to phone the police, what with being bound and gagged and all.

We are a nation of passive sheep, terrified to defend ourselves. Wait patiently, sooner or later the police will arrive. Hopefully, the innocent victim is still alive and only moderately maimed.

It is immoral to deny someone the ability to defend against unlawful attack.

And the cheap shot about Republicans not already outlawing guns just shows why I feel comfortable dismissing the 8th-grade level of debate so prevalent today. That is the same level of analytic brilliance that has determined that real estate never declines in value.

Anonymous said...

To: anonymous@April 16, 2007 7:15 PM I was not responding to you, but to the same post you were responding to. I had not seen yours yet, we do agree. The best thing is law abiding citizens armed and prepared for defense of self and others. The cult of people who think passing more laws will solve all human prolbems they will grow up one day maybe. If all it took was a law then just pass a law that we all be nice to each other that will solve everything. Falling short of that I'll take the natural law every man has the right to defend himself and possess the means to defend himself.

Anonymous said...

Let's ban all guns. When the guberment bans something nobody ever uses it.

Cocaine is banned and nobody uses it right liberals?

Anonymous said...

Guys, these things happen, from time to time starting with Charles Whitman , the U o Texas sniper at the tower during the 60s. We can't all lose our grounding because someone loses his mind and goes on a rampage.

Anonymous said...

Gun Deaths - International Comparisons
Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):

Homicide Suicide Unintentional

USA 4.08 (1999) 6.08 (1999) 0.42 (1999)

Canada 0.54 (1999) 2.65 (1997) 0.15 (1997)

Switzerland 0.50 (1999) 5.78 (1998) -

Scotland 0.12 (1999) 0.27 (1999) -

England/Wales 0.12 (1999/00) 0.22 (1999) 0.01 (1999)

Japan 0.04* (1998) 0.04 (1995) <0.01 (1997)

Keith, there is no point in citing statistics. That is making an argument that flows from reality. The other side is making a religious argument, which flows from them being scared little primates. You won't make any headway with them.

Veritas Faust said...


Here is where we must part ways in our thinking...at least on this one issue.

Sorry to be cliche but guns don't kill people: bullets kill people!

We can no more successfully outlaw guns then we can outlaw street drugs which kill many more people annually AND contribute to an overall state of violence in poorer communities where there is a lot of street level drug activity.

Licensing while a good idea for ensuring competency with a gun, presumes we can keep them out of the hands of criminals. We cannot.

I do not blame video games and violent TV shows as they are just a reflection of market demand. Fear is marketed to us in the form of news-entertainment on all the major networks.

We apparently have a voracious appetite for fear and violence so there is little blame that can be assessed to the NRA or other allied lobbying groups.

Then of course there are the legitimate civilian uses for a firearm such as hunting. I personally enjoy the taste of Venison...if you prepare it correctly. If not, frankly it tastes like nasty shoe leather, but I digress. Shooting an animal and eating it is morally equal to buying cut meat at the local mega mart.

And if I want to shoot a high powered rifle (Hunting, "assault" or full auto), handgun with a high capacity magazine or a shotgun it is my right so long as I do not do so in the commission of a crime.

The gun deaths in those countries by the way are almost all committed by criminals since they are the only people outside of law enforcement and military that have ready access to firearms.

Anonymous said...

If we were a society that had as few guns to START with as those other nations, then I would find it quite acceptable to limit gun ownership in some fashion, or altogether.

But the problem in the US is that the toothpaste is already out of the tube, and the guns are out there.

I propose this solution:

We first spend all our efforts on taking guns away from criminals.

When gun crime is practically nonexistent, we can then go after the guns of the law-abiding citizens who desire protection.

Additionally, citing statistics in a vacuum, without any other context is an argument unworthy of anyone bright enough to recognize the housing bubble. I'm going to poke a little fun here and suggest that we leave such vaporous arguments to those who are persuaded by books extolling the everlasting housing boom. This is not a jab, I mean this sincerely.

Is correlation causation? That is a tenuous point from which to start such an argument.

And the attempt to poison the well


by suggesting that gun proponents are non-reality oriented idealogues is, again, beneath us as logical people.

Incidentally, my empirical evidence suggests that for many individuals,the opposition to guns is, in many ways, just as "religious" as the argument for guns.

Richard said...

Keith - it has been a long year and 1/2 on HP for me.

You are wrong about Iran.

You are wrong about gold.

And you are wrong about gun control.

I am done with HP - the ANONs - and your screwed view of the world.

Cheers and enjoy the die off without a gun.

honica jewinski said...

The shooter was a savage Asian beast, kinda like the one that mass-murdered all those white hunters up north a couple years ago. Folks, if we are gonna do away with guns, we've GOT to get ALL third-world, non-white savages out of the country first. To do otherwise would be obvious suicide.

onemorebeer said...

"Every male 18-35 has a gun in the house in Switzerland. It's not gun ownership that's the problem."

Yes, they have automatic rifles in their homes but those clips with ammo are sealed and breaking that seal will not be tolerated lightly by their Army. That is totally different than having a Glock in some shoe box.

FlyingMonkeyWarrior said...

My heart goes out to those who were at the Va Tech School today and those who were wounded and killed and their families.

In Florida if someone gets into your car or comes in your home in a threatening manner you are legal if you shoot them first and ask questions later.
At the airport in Miami the Tour Operators pass fliers out to the tourists that say, "Do not anger the local population un-necessarily as they are armed and may use their guns legally".

I reckon that goes for classrooms here too.

Anonymous said...

It is sad how gun-ignorant people are. Glocks are low powered handguns. So-called assault weapons are mid powered weapons. Hunting rifles tend to be high powered weapons.

That campus was a gun-free zone. So, the victims were helpless. Criminals love unarmed victims. Those people died because they couldn't fight back.

Self defense is a human right.

Anonymous said...

In Switzerland they have full auto assault rifles in their closets. It's a meltdown of civilized society that is occuring. Banning cars would make the most sense if it's about the number of people hurt. Those stats need to include homicide/suicide stats from all causes (Knives, Boots etc) to be credible. Japan has a very high suicide rate and very strict gun control. Can we please blame the perpetrators.

Anonymous said...

As the planet dumbs down, these incidents become more frequent. When i was in High School, there was no need for a police officer at the school. The worst thing that happened was there was a fight. If a certain teacher was around when the fight broke out, guess who won...and it wasn't a student.

Now there are cops in the high schools. Yep, we are going the right direction. Pathetic.

So we have high school incidents on a regular basis and now we have stepped it up to the college level. Yep, things are definately heading in the right direction. Kinda like when you happen to go to the mall and walking towards you is some fat hog with a small child. All you can think is, what LOSER impregnated that hog and produced offspring?

Well, it's only going to get worse.

Anonymous said...


Is this Flame bait? You know this has nothing to do with guns. In fact if there were students with guns they could have fought back. I have to disagree with you on this one - stick to housing.

Anonymous said...

Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts...
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia:

Hi Yanks,

I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.

(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns."

You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens

Take note Americans, before it's too late!

Anonymous said...

You ignorant yahoo. Why does 95 percent of these incidents happen in the US? Most US cities have homicide rates at least 10 times that of London, Paris, Berlin or Tokyo.

Go visit Wal-Mart for the answer.

Anonymous said...

Whats with this school thing, remember Checknia (spelling) where the whole school populace got done in, sounds like a good reason to re- establish sweatshop labors and crop plantings and chicken farming, educations for the children and close those tax extortioning schools

Anonymous said...

Keith, you unabashed liberal. For 1000000 years, it has been both a sin and against the law to murder.

If you you want gun control, then you should look at other great nations where only the cops have guns:

and on.

If you want to live in any of those societies than stay there.

Hilter passed sweeping gun control and especially prohibited Jews from owning firearms.

6 MILLION OF THEM ended up in a hole. That scenario, can and will happen again on this earth.

The NRA advocates the 2nd ammendment for self defense and sportshooting purposes. The 2nd ammendment is there to protect the others.

A man with arms is a citizen.

A man without arms, is a peasant, a subject, a sheep for the slaughter... just look at history.

THE CAUSE IS OUR filthy sicko society. This is the result of pop culture, and a loneliness caused by people (cool crowd) ostracizing the dorks. Committing such horrors is made easier for sicko because of movies, music and video games.

Today's kids, especially without a nuclear family, have been raised by SnoopDogg, and videos gams like Ghost Recon, and crap movies like GRINDHOUSE.

It is illegal to murder.
It is a felony for a person under 21 to own a handgun.
It is a crime to bring a gun on school campus for anything other than ROTC drills.
For over TEN YEARS, every a gun can only be purchased after a complete criminal background check.
All felons, illegal aliens, mentally ill, and alcholics are banned from owning guns.

Just like Imus, all in one week, the 1st and ammendment and the 2nd ammendment will take major blows

More Facism, reactionary of course, and less freedom.


There are 300million guns in america. 299,999,999 were not used in a crime today.

better stats than anything else, even airline safety.

Anonymous said...

A sheltered society allows the bad apples to rot the barrel...

This guy obviously has had problemos long before today, but the nanny-state told him, "I'm OK, You're OK" and coddled him when it should have been sorting him out from the rest of the sane, law abiding population.

If guns are outlawed, only criminals will have them - Do you think this monster was concerned with laws?!?

Perhaps this will contribute to the sheepsters of the USA having a defining psychological, but I sincerely doubt it...

The same devolutionary factors that allowed this situation to manifest, allowed the credit bubble to manifest and grow into the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on mankind - The DotCom & Real Estate Bubble Ponzi Schemes.

All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men (& women) to do nothing.

P.S. You're blog has been becoming entirely too namby-pamby as of late, which I'm sure is in no doubt to you, so I'm off to more balanced blogs that are more interested in changing things for the better, not to fit their personal idealogical fantasies.

Hasta La Vista Baby ;-)

Anonymous said...

Dear Keith, I don't know why such a smart guy, and a history buff...

like you, knows nothing about the US Constitution and the reasons behind it and US HISTORY.

We are not Canada. We are not UK. We are not France.

You need to cherish your rights before you have none.

You should try going to a gunclub over in the UK, and talk to the folks there. Try shooting a gun.

You'd have trouble hitting a refrigerator at 40feet.

You have no idea the historical importance behind the 2nd ammendment.

But, if the sicko from Iran scorches our nation, and there is anarchy, you can come to my house and I will protect you and your family with my firearms. Just bring some bottled water, and stop being such and emotional, illogical liberal on this issue.

Contrary to what y'all think, I'd bet, that ATLEAST half this blog is of a conservative ideology.

good day!

Anonymous said...

We have higher crime rates in US cities, not because of guns, but because of all the idiots living in our cities.

You know who they are... poor, undecated, stupid people...sucking the govmint teet.

Just look at LA, Chitcago, NYC outer boroughs...

NEW ORLEANS???? anyone??

We need to find out what was the motive... was this terrorism...as in was the a foreign student....north korean???

who knows. let's not rush to judgment.

CharletonHeston said...

Hey its not fair to compare US murder rates to lily white europe. Different demographics. Its not racism to point out facts is it?

los angeles has major riots lasting DAYS every 20 years years or so. other cities do too in US.

Anonymous said...

And, all firearms are defacto registered in all 50states.

Go to gunstore and buy one.

You must pass a background check, and you must fill out an ATF form with your info.

The FFL/gun dealer, keeps the registration of this.

In many states....about 6, all handguns are registered. PERIOD.

Laws don't stop crime.

We have a very sick society on our hands, and it is getting worse.

WE need to come together as a community and stop all the hate and oppression.

Anonymous said...


You are mis-informed regarding handguns in Canada. They are not "illegal", they are "restricted". A law abiding citizen with the proper registrations and certifications is permitted to own a handgun. And by that I mean Glocks, Colts, etc.

As I indicated earlier, this is not a gun problem, it is a societal problem. The Norway example is an excellent one. And even Canada is a good frame of reference. If gun ownership occurs in these countries in a similar prevalence to that of the USA, what makes the USA different?

Another poster brought up the riots of soccer games and I think that brings up a good point. How many soccer riots and fights have broken out in other countries? Yet what is the frequency of that occurring in North America? When was the last riot at a football game? I've seen baseball brawls before between players which rarely escalates to problems amidst the crowd? So that is another example of a societal issue.

But back to the matter at hand, here is an interesting tid bit pertaining to that shooting that occurred at the Montreal university back in 1989. Did you know that campus police are forbidden from carrying firearms at universities in Canada? So when Mark Lepine started his rampage, the campus police had nothing to fend him off with other than mace and a billy club. So how did gun control laws assist in that circumstance?

Nonetheless, I am not here to start an argument. Just please do not make broad based statements regarding governments failing the people when tragedies like this occur. Because I really think it does you a dis-service and contributes to the likihood of people not taking your statements as seriously.

Elmer Fudd said...

How do we know this guy wasn't a FB facing foreclosure?

As the housing crash progresses, we can expect to see more of these acts.

Anonymous said...

which flows from them being scared little primates."

You deserve to be shot in the face

robert said...

keith said...
“Canada and England seem to be doing just fine without handguns. I don't hear about possible invasions of Canada or England that need to be fended off by gun owners

True, a madman killed the kids, not the guns. But come on, hopefully some good can come of this and we start treating guns with the same seriousness that we treat driving a car. Is that asking too much?”

Sure Kieth, I’m glad you mentioned the automobile:

Want to lower crime?
Want to significant lower the number of deaths in the U.S.?
Want to help the environment?
Want Americans to get into shape?
Want to help curtail the dependency on oil?

Ban the use of personally owned vehicles. Public transportation for everyone. Whats that Keith? Don’t want to give up those keys? Hypocrite.

Come on Keith. Get real here. How many laws where broken during this rampage? Would one more law have stopped it? Two more? Hundreds? What law would you have passed that would have these persons to rethink their actions?

buy_high_sell_low said...

There is always SOMETHING to ban


FaceDown said...

It really is all a moot point for at least 200-300 years as I see it. Ignoring the constitution for a moment...

Even if gun laws make ownership illegal (or more restrictive) we will still have more guns than we could ever want in the streets of the USA. And, guess what?! Nobody will be turning theirs in to the local authorities. The conversation really is pointless because we have guns and they won't be going away anytime soon, regardless of what the laws say.

Anonymous said...

I've never owned a gun, but if they outlaw them, I'm definitely getting one.

anonymous wimp said...

My respect for you once again goes down Keith. Stick to housing, it's what you do best.

For onemorebeer: fully automatic weapons are for all intents and purposes banned to the general public since the Firearms owner protection act of 1986. Please educate yourself on this issue.

Obviously gun control works well in America. Look at the cities with the strictest gun control in the country: Washington DC, Detroit, New York.....all crime-free paradises.

And now how to explain that gun crime violence has risen dramatically in London recently despite strict gun control in that country? Must be all the Americans like Keith moving to the country.
(And by the way Keith...I couldn't give a crap what the British press thinks of us...I mean really, who cares?)

corvinus said...

Guns are heavily regulated in South Africa. Why don't you include South Africa's homicide rate??

Anonymous said...

Mexico has a ban on guns. Hmmmm... Ever look at a Mexican based newspaper headline? Bullet riddled bodies everywhere. Almost daily. Yeah, ban guns from law abiding citizens because only criminals should be allowed to own them. ~sigh~

anon54321 said...

Keith, why don't you wait to find out who this shooter was? He might very well have no criminal record and might pass any gun ownership and registration requirement you would write up. The Swiss order every able-bodied man between approximately 18 to somewhere in his 50s (I believe) to keep a fully automatic assault rifle (a real assault rifle, not just a semi-automatic) in his home with a supply of ammunition. Yet they are very peaceful. The violence in the US is due to many factors. The best way to defend against a nut with a gun is to make sure there are lots of people in the area around him with loaded guns. It also seems that the officials of the University did nothing for about 2 hours after the first shooting incident to warn the students about the situation, believing that the first incident was isolated...a very stupid decision on their part. If there were a thousand students with guns on the campass this might have turned out differently, but the administration seems to have made the fatal decision not to close down the University immediately.

Anonymous said...

Its illegal to carry a concealed gun in Virginia. Is everyone assuming there are no gun laws?

The shooter was violating the law the moment the gun arrived on campus.

Anonymous said...

"How do we know this guy wasn't a FB facing foreclosure?"

or an unemployed REALTOR.

Anonymous said...

Clearly this shooting didn't happen and is a giant hoax by the gun lobby to discredit gun control.

After all, guns were already illegal on campus, and we all know that gun control laws keep people safe from this sort of thing.

keith said...

Man, bunch of confused HP'ers today who don't read what I write, instead project what they want onto my views. I especially love being called a liberal. Now that's a stretch (ever see my Hillary or Iran posts anyone?). So let me be crystal clear.


To do this, we simply need to register, certify and train gun owners and guns. We've lost control of our country's population with millions of illegals pouring over our borders unchecked, and we've lost control of guns and gun owners.

And damn, I wish the campus security, the cops or a trained and registered citizen had been on that campus to blow away that nut today.

I'm sick of gun anarchy folks. I'm sick of a society who doesn't care. I'm sick of a bought-and-paid-for congress doing the bidding of the evil NRA (and NAR). And I'm sick that a bunch of kids are dead tonight, their families destroyed, because of guns and a shooter seemingly representative of a mean spirited, inhumane, ignorant, video game society in total meltdown mode.

Bill said...

You are NEVER going to stop this kind of violence with a gun law. The criminals just ignore the law (duh!!).

However, if some (all) of those students or faculty were armed, this guy wouldn't have gotten 32 of them. Five or 10 people shooting back would have taken care of this problem quickly.

No, I'm not kidding. Everyone who wants to be armed should be permitted to carry a weapon ... period. This isn't a gun problem. It's a people/criminal problem. Innocent / law-abiding people need weapons AT LEAST as powerful as the criminals.

Lars said...

April has been a bad month for multiple killings.

Monday April 19, 1993 - WACO
Wednesday, April 19, 1995 - Okla City
Tuesday, April 20, 1999 - Columbine
Monday, April 16, 2007 - Virginia Tech

Coincidence? Probably, even if April 20 also happens to be Hitler's birthday.

Is it worth it said...

Despite all the gun defenders rhetoric about it not being the lack of gun controls, the "armed" USA remains one of the worlds most dangerous ( civilised) society as todays events prove.

Can anyone believe that there is no linkage between the number of guns in the USA and the number of disproportionate deaths as shown by the statistics ?

So how many deaths are acceptable for those who advocate "guns" for all. Surely there must be a point at which even the most fanatical NRA supporter realizes something needs to be done about gun control.

What is that point - 10 times the European death rate ( no can't be that coz the USA is already there) is it twenty times ? thirty times ?

Surely at some point the gun toters will accept that the price of unfettered gun ownership is too high. Nah because the bottom line is that the gun advocates really don't give a flying monkeys about the number of "other" people killed just so long as they maintain their cherished rights.

The rest of us pay a price for your "freedoms" and to ignore this point or "talk around it" is both ignorant and selfish.

Anonymous said...

"Blaming this on the NRA or on guns is like blaming 9/11 on box cutters."

Best comment of the day. Why can't people see this?

I know a guy killed in a knife fight. We're soon passing legislation to have steak knives outlawed, or at the very least, registered with Big Brother. You can't cut your dinner without the proper papers anymore.

Anonymous said...

It's official, you Americans are nuts

SoSad said...

If only there had been armed security guards at the campus, then perhaps this evil maniac would have been stopped before ending so many beautiful, young lives.

If only....

honica jewinski said...

Guns don't kill people, third-world savages do....... Diversity, you folks had enough yet?

Republican troopkiller said...

White Trash Americans are in love with guns and bigs trucks...that translates to small IQs and tiny weenies.

White Trash Americans think they're big bad-ass and macho, driving around in big Hummers and armed to the teeth with big powerful guns and firepower.

White Trash Americans are the laughing stock of the world as they're getting their asses kicked by Arab teenagers fighting with their bare hands.

White Trash Americans, stop bawling like a bunch of pussies about your gun right fantasies and get your chump asses off the chair and the keyboard and go down to the recruiting station and volunteer to fight in Iraq with your precious guns, you chickenhawk faggots!

You grinders sound very smug from your narrow-minded lower middle-class existence, so put your weasel-mouths were the Rambo action is and vounteer for Iraq, or stay home and keep on playing your fantasy Warcraft shooter games, a-holes!

Anonymous said...

kids are dead tonight, their families destroyed, because of guns and a shooter seemingly representative

NO NO NO a thousand times NO!!

32 kds are not dead because of guns. 32 kids are dead because a nut killed them. Blaming "guns" for this tragedy is like blaming cars when a drunk driver kills a family.

you've been living in Londonistan too long Keith and have obviously been brainwashed by the communists over there

keith said...

I wish you all could see the news media and commentary tonight in England.

I wish you all could see that.

The world is crying, but the world is pointing fingers too. They think the US is a savage, scary, out of control empire in rapid, horrific decline.

I can tell you one thing, the images being played here on european TV are going to hurt US tourism even more.

Go to the US on vacation? No thanks, it's waaaay too dangerous there.

Anonymous said...

I wish you all could see the news media and commentary tonight in England.
The world is crying, but the world is pointing fingers too. They thing the US is a savage, scary, out of control empire in rapid, horrific decline.

Yeah right. Because up until this morning everyone loved and adored the US of A. Get a grip man, you're being hysterical even for you.

Prediction: By Wednesday nobody will be talking about this anymore.

Anonymous said...

Those who hold dear the truism that "guns don't kill people" must, by dint of reason agree with the following sentiment (each verse based on actual incidents):

One Less Gun

Children outside in the park,
Playing "let's pretend"
The monkeybar's a castle
A dragon is their friend
They only pulled the trigger
Just to have some fun

It never would have happened if
There was one less gun

Judith kept a cannon
Underneath her seat
In case of an emergency
She might chance to meet
Someone cut her off in rush hour
She completely came undone

It never would have happened if
There was one less gun

First one in the family
To ever graduate
Went out to a nightclub
With friends to celebrate
He was a drive-by victim
He was their only son

And it never would have happened if
There was one less gun

The Brady Bill and gun locks
are a step in the right direction
If you own a gun use a strong box
For your own protection
Because guns are often used
against their owners bye and bye
Maybe you should hand it in
at a buy-back collection.

My guns are free like me said...

You are in the right country Kieth, gun free ole England.

It has not been so long since you were saying to get guns and ammo. Now you want guv control over them? You like the constitution but not the bill of rights (2nd amendment)?


Frank said...

Are you kidding me? If honest citizens in that school were armed, someone could have put down the gunman before he killed anyone.

All gun control does is take guns away from honest citizens while criminals continue to buy them on the street.

The UK banned guns a few years ago and now London is rated the #1 highest-crime city in the Western world and Glasgow is #2. Nice going.

Anonymous said...

I can see it now. The insane gunman, doubtless wearing a flak vest, comes barreling into the room, and the student drops his pencil and in one fluid motion pulls his gat from his boxers while leaping over his chair and squeezing one off right between the crazed man's eyes.

Campus safety? Why issue a GUN to each student - f*cking brilliant! Cause ya never know when something like this might happen - after all it's so COMMONPLACE.

Anonymous said...

The world is crying, but the world is pointing fingers too. They think the US is a savage, scary, out of control empire in rapid, horrific decline.
Right, like most of the lumpen in the world, they get their reality from the boob-tube. They let a tiny electronic box define the scope of a tiny reality that matches their tiny, sheeple minds.

Anonymous said...

Thought you had a good site, till now.

Leave your socialist scheme in the socialist land you inhabit.

Rights are not subject to license. Tracking is the first step to confiscation. How can you be so blind as not to see this.

Another operative in blogland. I hope they are paying you well.

Anonymous said...

I'm sick of gun anarchy folks. I'm sick of a society who doesn't care. I'm sick of a bought-and-paid-for congress doing the bidding of the evil NRA (and NAR). And I'm sick that a bunch of kids are dead tonight, their families destroyed, because of guns and a shooter seemingly representative of a mean spirited, inhumane, ignorant, video game society in total meltdown mode.
Oh the humanity!

Get off it, Keith.

You really need to take a vacation from your computer and TV and get some perspective.

More kids will die this month because their parents drank and drove. Do you give a damn about that?

deepcgi said...

You're right, Keith. What we need is pacifism. Even in the military. Let's just use harsh language. We just need to talk things over. The world thinks that America is scary and cruel, but doesn't think that of Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, North Korea, or the drug cartel neighborhoods of Mexico and Columbia. Got it. We just need to understand one another. Europe "understands" better than we do. England "understands". When the armed Iranians approach in Iraqi waters, you stop and try to talk to them with big smiles and open arms. Someone at Virginia Tech should have just tried to give the guy a chocolate bar and a hug. Hey, that might have worked with the Iranians, too!

By the way, no one ever answered my original question: Why didn't rampages happen in the 1940's. There was plenty of ammunition, racism, glorification of the violence of war, religious fervor, and low rate of higher education. Why no famous school rampages in 1946?

keith said...



keith said...

What's the mood in America tonight folks? Is there THAT big a disconnect between Europe and the US on this issue? Kind of like capital punishment and global warming too. The US will get there. Just a few decades later.

Anonymous said...

"They think the US is a savage, scary, out of control empire in rapid, horrific decline."

Good. Now they can all leave us alone, don't bother coming here to change us, and stop putting expectations of glory upon us higher than they place upon their own conduct.

SPECTRE of Deflation said...

Two words: New Orleans. Those armed did fine, and those not armed were shit out of luck when the thugs came calling. The Founding Fathers explicitly gives us the right to bear arms to protect ourselves and our families from those who would do us harm including a govt. that no longer represents it's citizens.

Who exactly will protect Americans when you have a Presidente' and Congress that allows ours borders to stand wide open 6 years after 9/11?

Anonymous said...

The US is a sick country

Anonymous said...

Keith, you ARE a liberal. Hating Hillary is not the litmus test for being non-liberal.

You're a liberal because you lean toward placing little responsibility on the participants in a market that went insane.

A market is made up of people doing transactions. People got nuts. Blame them. Blame human nature.

We'll get through this. Many will lose their shirt, sure. Some day in the future, an even bigger bubble will come. Same kind of stuff will happen, because human nature does not change.

Get over your hysterical, illogical, no-perspective reaction to this tragic event. Quit acting like you really care, because you don't.

Get a grip, man.

JR Junky said...

All Pistols should be outlawed, The only reason for a pistols to even exist is for concealment, if I want to protect myself and impose fear in some one I would choose a pump shotgun, most people can point to the area they want to hit and the shotgun will hit it.
Who the fk uses a pistol for hunting getting meat?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The US is a sick country

Name one country that isn't sick. Human nature is the same everywhere.

Dirty Harry said...

What a load of liberal crap.

If those VT students were allowed to pack heat, they would of been able to protect themselves and kill that psycho before he killed them.

Anonymous said...

Europe? Who the hell cares about Europe? Those bastards are responsible for the slaughter of millions of people and their gonna get upity about 32 people killed by a random nutwad.

I would like to see an end to gun violence. The only way that will happen in America is a complete Fascist crackdown. Every single person convicted of murder, or a known gang member, would immediately put to death after the first guilty verdict. That is the only way it will happen by slaughtering the inferior. Sound familiar? Hitler banned gun ownership for the Germans. Boy did that work out well for that country. So again. SCREW EUROPE!

Anonymous said...

"I wish you all could see the news media and commentary tonight in England"

Here we go. In that case, I had better not use public transit in London since the likelihood of a terrorist bombing is elevated.

You should probably ban soccer in England as well. I mean, all those kids who were killed in those riots. How damaging that must have been to their families. What a stain on your great nation.

But why stop there? As another poster aluded to, let us ban personally owned vehicles due to the prolific number of fatalities associated with motorist driving.

And the list can go on.

I have a suggestion Keith: if you have not already seen it, rent
V for Vendetta. A good representation of the society you advocate.

decaffeinated said...

Leykis (google for it) this afternoon said that today's shooter set the new mark that others can aspire to. Right on.

"Oh I'm bad, I'm nationwide., I've got the new slaughter record."

(apologies to ZZ Top)

And how ironic is it that the author of Slaughterhouse Five passed away this weekend. God does have a sense of humor.

deepcgi said...

"The US is a sick country."

Maybe the US should pull all of its sick, violent troops out of Eastern Europe and Germany. (80 percent of the troops are NRA members anyway) And while we're at it, stop selling military supplies to Europe, Japan. Taiwan, and Israel. They certainly don't need us. They are ten years more advanced than we are. They have fewer guns, their cows fart less frequently than ours and their bicycles (while very squeaky) require much less 3-in-1 oil than ours do.

Anonymous said...

What's the mood in America tonight?

How the fuck should I know. I'm not out interviewing people for thier moods.

Oh you mean what's the moood tonight courtesy of the liberal MSM? WTF do you think the mood is...gun bad. Ban guns and all our problems will go away.

I swear you are so naive sometimes.

Anonymous said...

You right wing nuts are dense, gun control doesn't mean take guns away from everyone

Anonymous said...

If VT students were allowed to carry weapons, don't you think thousands would have died before? Think of all the bar fights that would have ended with dead students versus shattered egos

Anonymous said...

Yes it's too much to ask that guns be registered.

Next you'll want our Hispanics to be registered too!

Anonymous said...

BLACKSBURG, Va. (AP) - On a university campus of 2,600 acres, with more than 26,000 students, ironclad security is not a practical goal. Even so, tough questions swiftly surfaced as to how effectively Virginia Tech authorities responded to Monday's horrific massacre.

Why were campus police so sure the threat was contained in one dormitory, when most of the killings occurred two hours later in a classroom building?

Why did they think the assailant might have left the campus after those initial shootings?

Why was there a lag of more than two hours after the first shootings before an alarm was e-mailed campuswide - around the time another, more deadly burst of carnage occurred? And more generally, some security experts wondered, was the school's crisis planning and emergency communications system up to the task?

Clearly, something went terribly wrong.

Anonymous said...

"Yes it's too much to ask that guns be registered. "

yea, that's the ticket! registering all firearms would have prevented this!

Or, raise the minimum sentence guidelines for people who go on shooting rampages.... You know, it would make someone who is suicidal and mentally unstable think twice!

BTW, how is the knife ban coming along over there in Euroland?

jt said...

The whole thing is just sad and wasteful and unnecessary.

My heart goes out to the families effected.

Anonymous said...

The good news is:

Fox news will stop recycling the ana nicole & imus craps for a few days!

Anonymous said...

Keith officially came out of the closet with this thread. He is a dyed in the wool, big government liberal.

I feel like a close friend died today.

Anonymous said...

hey renters,

i used to to think you were all idiots following the dailykos talking points. judging by the posts on this topic I stand corrected. you are only idiots when it comes to finances. on the issue of gun control, most of you are 100% correct and i applaud you for not taking the liberal marching orders on this one.

looks like the only ones advocating gun control are canucks and eurotrash at least judging by the way they spell words like realize (with an s not a z) and quite honestly who th ef cares what they have to say on the matter.

American Malakes said...

Melt all guns and SUVs.

Anonymous said...

When the people don't have guns and you end up with mass murdering rulers (like Pol Pot, Idi Imin, Josephn Stalin, Kim Jong Il , Robert Mugabe) there is nothing that can be done. One day, Americans will need to rise up and throw off the shackles of the economic elite. Cute little slogans and chants won't cut it.

Hayley said...

You know guys, bad things just happen. There's no explanation, there's just no preventing them. I think the thing about gun control is just a whole nother issue. If you want to get down to it, then the common denominator here isn't guns, it's men, specifically young men and you can't ban those from the planet.

oj samson said...

After the LA riots, the left-wingnuts all ran out and got guns. The morons figured out that the government would not always be there to protect them and their domestic partners.

Anonymous said...

Most students are bitter renters. Maybe the murderer was bitter because he was priced out foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Anonymous said...

Let's add a law to stop a law. It is illegal to kill someone. If that is not enough to stop someone, what will? Wake up and stick to housing. Stupid libral.

Anonymous said...

Let's add a law to stop a law. It is illegal to kill someone. If that is not enough to stop someone, what will? Wake up and stick to housing. Stupid libral.

IfOnlywehadaLiberalMedia said...

Anonymous said: "Oh you mean what's the moood tonight courtesy of the liberal MSM? WTF do you think the mood is...gun bad. Ban guns and all our problems will go away."

Heh Heh. Lot of morons out there still believe there's a Liberal media. Heh Heh. They probably believe in Santa Claus too. Heh Heh.

Anonymous said...

Ban oriental college students NOW!!!

That's the ticket!!!!

Socrates' liver said...

You are NEVER going to stop this kind of violence with a gun law. The criminals just ignore the law (duh!!).


Let's start by eliminating those stupid child molester laws too, you know they just can't help it so why bother making it illegal?

robert said...

Anonymous said...
“Its illegal to carry a concealed gun in Virginia. Is everyone assuming there are no gun laws?”

April 16, 2007 10:03 PM

Not true. Virginia has laws on the books regarding concealed carry (or had, I moved from Va few years back) which run concurrent to what Keith is saying.

One must be finger printed, have a background check, and have a firearms training course to legally carry concealed in Va. I actually support this approach, but I doubt it has stopped any criminal from carrying.

Anonymous said...

The mood in America is that Heather Mills fell on "Dancing with the Stars" I think most of us are use to violence.

Anonymous said...

You can see what different distinguished people throughout time have thought about gun control. Think about what side you want to be on.

‘‘I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.’’
‘‘To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.’’
— George Mason

‘‘No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms.’’
— Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed unless they try to take it."

Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for the PEOPLE to RETAIN the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against TYRANNY in Government!"

Thos. Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of it's arms as the blackest."

Mahatma Ghandi, 1927

A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.
-- Sigmund Freud, General Introduction to Psychoanalysis

If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.
-- The Dalai Lama

"Every good communist should know that political power grows out of the barrel of a gun, the Communist Party must control the guns."

Mao Tse Tung

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."

Adolph Hitler, 1935

‘‘Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State.’’

— Heinrich Himmler
"The most FOOLISH mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall."

Adolph Hitler, edict of 18 March, 1938

A few more FACTS about why gun control is good for everyone. And the United Nations wants this for us all!! NEVER!!!

Turkey established gun control in 1911. From 1915 through 1917, 1.5 MILLION Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

The Soviet Union established gun control in 1929. From 1929 through 1953, 20 MILLION political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938. From 1939 through 1945, 13 MILLION Jews, Gypsies, HOMOSEXUALS, the mentally ill, and other "mongrolized" people, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1949 through ???, 20 MILLION political dissidents and others, unable to defend themselves, have been rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 through 1977, 1 MILLION "educated people", unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 through 1981, 100,000 native Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 through 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

GWB said...

This is a immigration issue not a gun issue

wakeup said...

The problem is our culture of isolation and pacifism. A gunman can enter a classroom of 20-30 young, able-bodied adults, put a bullet in the prof's head, and the rest just sit there like zombies!. All of them had objects, (books, cell phones, etc.) they could have hurled at this asshole but they just sat there or hid under their desks waiting for the bullet. What a bunch of douches.

Anonymous said...

Richard said...

Keith - it has been a long year and 1/2 on HP for me.

You are wrong about Iran.

You are wrong about gold.

And you are wrong about gun control.

I am done with HP - the ANONs - and your screwed view of the world.

Cheers and enjoy the die off without a gun.


Richard you should go by the name "Dick" ...because you are one. Go live on Dieoff.com and believe in the kuntler krap which he mistakenly thought would happen with Y2K. Yep, humanns are stupid and will dieoff(asif). Look dude (jarhead) We are addaptive and clever so go hide under your rock and maybe in 4o years someone will also find you like the japanese warrior in th pacific isles.

GK said...

Keith, you live in a police state in London, so of course you feel safe.


Regular Joe said...

Guns I expect are outlawed on the college campus. Maybe the Chinese national didn't know? I am sure someone could have told him that guns on campus were against the rules and he would have just left......right.

I agree with the anon about guns prior to the 1968 Gun Control Act. Where were the shootings then? They didn't happen because a lot of folks were armed then. Trying something like that would have been suicide. In today's feminized, fake, multicultural society, a criminal can show up with a gun and get a pretty high body count since he is pretty sure that noone will stop him. That is what we saw in PA. Noone armed to counter the guy and evidently noone with the balls to try and stop him. After all, if he is going to shoot you anyway, you may as well try to kick his arse and disarm him. Not in today's America, though.

You guys can call cops (Dominoes Pizza is faster in some cities than cops)but I will always prefer self reliance.

The world is a dangerous place. America is less dangerous than most places (except places where guns are banned like DC, San Fran, Detroit, etc) but is not the romper room that the international socialists like Clinton or Feinstein want you to believe it is. Wake up and live in reality.

Check out Florida's campaign to teach shooting to women. It help drop the rising rape rate back in the 90s. It worked.

Those lemmings who really think that a gun has a mind of its own just remember that armed citizens are why you are not having your door kicked in. The criminals don't know what is on the other side-unless you live in a major urban area where gun ownership is limited to criminals and police (who show up after the fact and write reports). So stop desiring to wallow in victimhood and pitypartying and stand up for yourselves.

This shooting could have been prevented by simply allowing a professor or two who is not a Marxist on campus (and thereby progun) and allowing him or her to be armed.

Such a tragedy...and preventable.

Oh, and don't forget that the antigunners like Feinstein, Schumer and Rosie O Donnell (had to throw a nonjew in there to try and keep it fair) have armed bodyguards. Amazing that the lemmings who believe in "equality" would follow people like that.

Anonymous said...

the gun grabbers will most definitely use this as a exuse to take what guns they can from law abiding citizens.....

the second ammentment was put there by our founding fathers, at number 2, to protect number 1.....it was high on the list of importance for a reason, and hunting defenseless critters was not the reason for it....soon, we will have to stand up and be accounted for in one way or another.......i see no alternative. this government is wildly out of control now. its power knows no end......our founding fathers feared government because they knew what it could turn into....instead of being our servant, it has now became our master........and this must be changed.....once it has this power, it will not ever let go of it, until this power is taken from it by force.......of course no one wants to talk about this, because it is painful and disheartening to realize that all we do, all we say, all we think and all we feel, is all controlled and manipulated...we must all relearn the things we have forgotten, hidden deep within ourselves......liberty ladies and gentlemen......liberty......sweet liberty.......it is the pearl of great price...........in my opinion it is.......is it worth fighting for? in my opinion .......yes.........i love it so......i love it.......even though i have never had it.......i want it so.......i dream of it......i can taste it.....many of our founding fathers tasted it.......they wanted it .........they wanted it for us......we can have it.......but for anything worth having......the costs will be great......we have to ask ourselves.....is it beyond our capabilities to think on these things and to act on these things in this year of our Lord, 2007........this is a question that i cannot answer......yet......

Bush Cheated said...

Thanks Keith for the news posting.

It's interesting to read the many differnt views. Thanks

Anonymous said...

Governments have killed more people than any one person. Yes it's a horrible...senseless, yet more people will still die this year from heart disease, lung cancer and automobile accidents than shooting related deaths. Anyone want to stop eating fast food? Anyone want to walk to work instead of jumping in their car?

Anonymous said...

there are so many guns because, 1. Wild West fundation of the country, 2. gun lobbys being very active 3. People in the blue about what freedom is about.

Anonymous said...

Anyone remember Imus?

Anonymous said...

"Kind of like capital punishment and global warming too"

First off, please do not make broad based statements pertaining to our viewpoints on Global Warming simply because President Shit for Brains doesn't believe in it. He doesn't believe in evolution either. But I don't think that is an adequate frame of reference for our country as a whole.

Regarding capital punishment, I had forgotten that Europe was so enlightened on the issue. Remind me to grab my "execution is murder" sign and parade myself like a jackass in front of the prisons housing serial killers like the BTK guy. Obviously those people can be rehabilitated.

Oh, how I love the bleeding hearts when it pertains to the "individual rights" of violent criminals. Clearly the best philosophy is to ensure those most likely to kill be coddled in air conditioned cells. It wasn't their fault afterall. Their father was abusive. Their mother didn't hold them enough. They were upset when Friends went off the air. Blah blah blah.

Tell you what Keith. How about we take the BTK guy off of death row and place him in your protective custody. I am sure you highly evolved European culture will transform him into an upstanding member of your society. You can laugh and tell jokes over high tea. He will regale you of his tales of kidnapping, torture and murder. You can tell him about all those poor FBs who were "misguided" into home purchasing by the "evil lenders". What wonderful frivolity!

I just hope your efforts at rehabilitation work well on good old Mr. BTK. Because if things go sour, remember: there won't be a gun nearby to defend yourself.

Maybe you can throw your steaming hot Earl Grey tea and crumpits at the would-be assailant. I am sure that will fend him off.

shane said...

onemorebeer said . . ."I can understand hunting rifles but powerful handguns like Glock and full-automatic rifles should be banned."

Have you ever shot a Glock? The .9mm Glock is a little bit better than a pea shooter (.22), it is not a "powerful" handgun. If you want a "powerful" handgun, shoot a .45 or a .357 magnum. A Glock is good for putting a lot of rounds downrange quickly, but realistically you need about 3 good rounds in the chest to take the bad-guy out with a Glock, 1 round from a .45 will stop him in his tracks. . . now that's some stopping power.

Part of the problem with the anti-gun crowd, is they never take the time to actually know the facts about the weapons they are against.

The quoting of statistics to prove one's point on either side in the gun-control theatre is pointless and a waste of time.

By quoting all the statistics, we judge gun-ownership on it's utilitarianism (i.e. the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one). Even if the stats. said it is more dangerous to have guns than not . . . The need of the one who might have been saved had he had the opportunity to choose to own a gun is now swallowed up in the needs of the many.

What it all of it really boils down to is that we (as a nation) have become reluctant to defend ourselves. We are told if we are robbed give them what they want and they will go away. This is regardless of the fact that the robber just violated my person. We are told nothing is worth a human life.

We are told when confronted with a crime to let the cops do their job. Excuse me, we pay the cops what 50k a year to defend my life. Why should he be willing to defend my life when I'm not willing to defend it myself.

The police will rarely be there when it happens. Cops do a really good job of catching the criminal AFTER the act has happened. WHILE the crime is being committed it is OUR responsibility to stop it.

As far as registration, what good will it do . . . the smart criminal buys it from the black market with no registration, and unlike the car thief the gun thief isn't going to brandish his stolen goods around until it's too late.

As far as training, I wish the local governments offered FREE gun training to all it's law-abiding citizens.

All this crap about just using hunting weapons is just that crap.
Hunting is a secondary use for a gun. The primary use being personal self-defense and protection (from robber/government etc).

Again, we have become a nation of cowards unwilling to take personal responsibility for our own safety believing it is the "professional's" job, believing that nothing (material) is worth our lives.

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?" ~Patrick Henry

Tulsa Time said...

If a significant number of students could carry weapons for their own protection this freak wouldn't have been able to kill more than a couple before he was downed by others. Then we'd weep for a few and celebrate the heroes, not mourn the unreasonable loss of over 30 innocent defenseless youth. Arm more, defend the innocent.

Anonymous said...

Keith - it has been a long year and 1/2 on HP for me.

You are wrong about Iran.

You are wrong about gold.

And you are wrong about gun control.

I am done with HP - the ANONs - and your screwed view of the world.

Cheers and enjoy the die off without a gun.

April 16, 2007 8:19 PM ===i agree with Richard completely, keith, you are right about the housing crash, but way off on the issues listed above. gotta say goodbye, time to leave this forum, cant support this place anymore! peace!

beebs said...

Thank Glub for the NRA. They had no comment on the shootings until all the facts are in. It is clear the fellow that did this was insane.

The Brady Center is dancing in blood right now.

Society is safer when criminals don't know who is armed. But Virginia turned down a bill last year to allow students with CCWs to be armed.

NRA Life Member

Redneck Greener (Annie Oakley) said...

I'm pretty much a liberal (NOT pro-Hillary) - I'm pro animals and pro environment and pro little people (kids) and pro a bunch of things and I own several guns and know how to use them, too.

I don't live in fear - I grew up on a ranch in colorado where people just have guns. I've never been in a western town where everyone packs heat, that's a myth from Hollywood. I don't carry a gun, they're locked away in my house, unloaded. They're registered and legal. I don't hunt, I actually hate violence of any kind except with the following exception:

Everyone with a TV should go buy a gun and take the bastard (TV) out and shoot it right through the tube. It makes you feel REAL good.

SC Mom said...

If someone there legally had a handgun or rifle maybe they could have stopped the maniac with a shot to the head instead of letting him kill 22 innocent people and wound many others. Guns don't murder, people do. The bible says do not murder, but sometimes you have to kill especially the rapists, child molestors and murderers in order to rid society of their danger.

Anonymous said...

Every adult male in Switzerland is required to have a gun in his home. Switzerland is also one of the safest countries in the world.

As long as weapons exist, criminals will find a way to get possession of, and distribute them to their fellow criminals.

If this maniac did not get hold of a gun, he would have found another way to slaughter people. Timothy McVeigh did not use a gun. The crazy woman who set her office building on fire did not use a gun.

buyerwillepb said...


Guns are not evil. Just look at who the first responders were, and what did they have in their hands? That's right, guns, and even military weaponry.

I agree with you that everyone should have firearms training. In fact we should require minimum 2 years military service for everyone.

The second amendment says they have every right to regulate the Militia, but they cannot deny the right of the people to bear arms. So regulate the Militia! According to 10USC311 the militia is one part organized National Guard, and one part unorganized militia which consists of all able bodied males between the ages of 17 - 45. [CITE: 10USC311]

Make everyone get military training for 2 years and learn to use the weapons properly. They might get a new found sense of honor and respect too.

Thank god the founders had the foresight to make it a right to bear arms, and not just a priviledge.

FaceDown said...

At this point I don't know why so many people are coming down on the campus police/swat/regular police/etc. I don't think it is a logical jump to go from "this guy just killed two people in the dorm" to "this guy is planning to mow down 30 other students across campus".

Clearly, you start trying to find the guy right away. However, you don't shut down the campus and city because 2 people got killed. If that were the case then there'd be a whole lot of nothing happening all around the World all of the time.

Does anybody else find it flat out crazy that this guy was able to kill 32 people with 2 hand guns. That says to me that he was a crazy-good shot or everybody froze like deer in the headlights. He had to reload several times. He must have. Yet nobody made a move. I'm not saying there is right or wrong in how the people on the other side of the gun reacted. I just find it fascinating.

Aside from all of the details and gun comments, I want to say that this kind of event is just sick. People are f'd up.

bob said...

"In Rwanda over a ten-week period in spring 1994, "machete genocide" claimed the lives of 800,000 people, a rate of killing that was five times faster than the Nazis' industrial methods during WW2."

Anonymous said...

You can kill more people by driving down a crowded sidewalk with a car, or burning down a crowded building.

If everyone were FORCED to carry a firearm, the people most likely to use them would be quickly removed from society. Every time he drew that gun there would be a 50% chance he'd get killed. That sort of attrition gets rid of the gun proned rather quickly.

Every one of these mass murders was enabled by LACK of guns for self defense. That's a certainty. Where guns exist on both sides (gang war) only one or two people get killed in a battle. All the anti-gun wimps can offer is, "we think there would be less murder if guns were controlled".

Plus, if everyone were armed, we'd be a lot more polite to each other. That's just an added bonus.

Kangtong said...

You housing commentary is some of the best around. I recommend you stick with what you're good at.

Anonymous said...

just a quite day in Baghdad!

Senseless, but put it into some perspective please!

Bitter Renter said...

Why do you want us to stay away from the democrat/republican thing? It's your republicans who won't do anything to control gun access. It's your republicans who urge us to look at each with nothing but scorn and envy, to see others as mere objects to compete with and get ahead of. When liberals talk of respecting and loving each other it's met with eye-rolling and guffaws. In fact, the whole conservative republican ideology is basded on nurturing the worst instincts in humans of greed, selfishness and fear. Seeing people as objects only makes it easier to destroy them.

You may not want to admit to being a republican because it's just not cool to be one, but your positions often align with theirs. Your admonition to comment "Without the usual Democrat and Republican bullsh*t" is telling. You knew where this would go and you know who's mindset led us here. Conservatism's.

Anonymous said...

What PO'S me off the most when things like this happens is, the MSM takes these opportunities to wash all our brains.

With the current chickification of the news, most of what is talked about is how the survivors are going to deal with their feelings and emotions, and how everyone involved is going to need counseling. 55 minutes of coddling and 5 minutes of details, in a one hour program. The media is turning us all into feminist wussies.

The only feeling real men should have to deal with is anger, in this situation. And if anyone else was involved in this senseless slaughter, they should be hunted down and brought to justice.

I'm sick and tired of the MSM playing up the emotional aspects of these tragedies, and turning them into purely HUMAN INTEREST STORIES.

I know why they do it. Because human interest stories have no direct affect on the viewers. The human interest side of the story distracts the viewer from the critical thinking part, and distracts you with your own emotions, so you cannot make a rational judgment on the matter.

Stupid sheeple.

Anonymous said...

Forget the American Society is sick issue--which is arguably true. Read the papers kids--the shooter was a foreign student allegedly of Asian decent. It was not a gut toting buba. It was a kid from overseas who happend to be in the u.s.a where you can get a gun easily and vent your frustrations by shooting people. If his viasa to the u.s. where declined he would of likley gone to say Canada or UK and maybe hit a few people with a club or something. Motivation plus opportunity met in a horrific way.

Whatever said...

18,000 Africans die every day.

Does the gun lobby really cause 33 people dying? Is it any big deal?


Anonymous said...

The GOP nswer to all questions: More Jeezuz, more guns.

liberal Gun Nut, homedebtor said...

I'm placing my order for another 6 30rd 5.56mags and 5 Glock 17rd. Hi Cap Mags from a trusted source on Tuesday April 17.

Because the sheeple and politicians will ban them after the fact.


I profit and convert to silver and gold. X2 dumbasess.

Anonymous said...

Guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people.

That gunman was pretty lucky that our politicians allowed the restrictions on high capacity clips to expire. Less time wasted reloading = more carnage for the madman to savor.

Rick said...

Your views on the Housing Bubble are undermined by your naive political views.

Hard to trust a guy that has no common sense.

If just one of those students had been armed, a lot of lives could have been saved.

Grow up.

Rick in Ventura

Anonymous said...

i think its pretty much illegal right now to shoot 32 classmates... so exactly what law do you think would have prevented this?

Also, if anyone in the room had a legal permit to carry, maybe they could have killed him thus short circuiting the massacre...

Linking a mass killing to gun registration / licensing is absolutley retarded. even for you guys here

TaZ said...

"You right wing nuts are dense, gun control doesn't mean take guns away from everyone"

What a poignant opinion, are you in favor of firearms being taken away from all those that the gov't. doesn't approve of?

Perhaps only Law Enforcement and the Military should be allowed, like Nazi Germany (where gun control was first enacted).

Funny how a policy or a sign "Gun Free Zone" is not obeyed by the bad guys.

I guess our shooter didn't think very highly of the law, or school policy. Students did however, and their noble obedience to it made a gunman's life much easier. You never hear of mass shootings at gun stores, or police stations. Funny, that...

The gun free zone just played into the criminals plans. Nobody could defend themself, just what that spineless creep wanted.

Too bad the powers that be put all the students at risk.

Please let everyone defend themselves. The criminals will not attack if they know their victims might fight back. The police can not be everywhere to protect us, we need to protect ourselves. Criminals are afraid of citizens who can protect themselves. Criminals are emboldened when they think they have the upper hand. Innocent people are hurt by our knee-jerk laws.

Comments suggesting there would be a blood bath after the implementation of liberalized concealed carry policies on college grounds are no different than the fears expressed by many leading up to the liberalization of state concealed carry laws nation-wide. No such blood bath materialized. Increasing access to firearms for law abiding gun owners simply does not increase gun crime. Perhaps, tho, it could have prevented some today.

Over 128,000 Virginians have conceal carry permits and they are all law abiding citizens, too bad at least one of those weren't in the immediate area when this debacle started.

Anonymous said...

Funny. Alot of talk about guns and nothing about a corrupt, communist Chinese government that probably sent that punk over to do a job. What kind of government research is done at VA Tech?


IMHO it was a hit.

W.C. Varones said...

Prohibition of guns is as effective as prohibition of alcohol or drugs.

The only option is to allow people to defend themselves.

Sadly, Virginia didn't allow that:


panicearly said...

whats all the fuss america? one would think you`d be used to all the violence by now.
watch the politicians cry over this as if they give a damn. yellow ribbons, candle lights, bumperstickers..boo hoo hoo

oh how is that war coming along..

TaZ said...

Private Investigator and Terrorism Expert Bill Warner says the shooting is professional, appears to be the result of military training:




FWIW, Chinese citizens are not allowed access to weapons so obviously he was more than just a "student".

Moreover, the serial numbers were filed off the guns used, so much for the knee-jerk reaction of the namby-pambies...

I think its WAY past time America wakes-up and decides whether it wants to:

A. Permanently abandon the common-law sovereign citizen status embodied in the Declaration of Independence and embrace totalitarian hegemone rule of the Global Banking Elite.

B. Begin to disassemble the two-party insanity and the sycophant police state that is turning us into slaves (38% of GDP now goes to funding ALL US gov't.)

onemorebeer said...

"Over 128,000 Virginians have conceal carry permits and they are all law abiding citizens, too bad at least one of those weren't in the immediate area when this debacle started."

Yeah, right. Citizens shooting citizens. Oh wait, that is happening in government-free Iraq. Why don't you move there?

keith said...

Serious responses requested:

Help me out folks. How is my call to register guns and gun owners turned into you all thinking I want to "outlaw guns" or "prohibit gun ownership" which is 100% against what I believe.

Isn't that quite the stretch? Because it sure is a distortion of my position.

It'd be like saying I'm against car ownership or driving because I support drivers licenses and testing before being able to drive.

Why is there no rational discourse on this issue? Is it paranoia of the big bad government? That if you give them an inch they'll take a mile?

Serious responses please

TaZ said...

"That if you give them an inch they'll take a mile?"

Are you seriously asking that question? LOL

"Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have." - Davy Crockett

I realize that anyone with half-a-brain could spot the insanity in the RE markets, along with the equity/bond markets, but are you really lacking clues as to what's REALLY happening and led to the RE bubble?

It's really too bad debacles like World Wars, gov't. tyranny, 9-11, the dot-com bubble, RE bubble, et al. NEVER seems to push the human race to evolve beyond the control of the Imperialistic Elite...

"Those who profess to favor freedom, yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without planting up the ground. They want rain without thunder or lightening. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. The struggle may not be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will." - Frederick Douglas

"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people." - PT Barnum

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws" Mayer Amschel Bauer, who founded the Rothschild family

"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws." His son, Amschel Mayer Rothschild

Guess it's the same crap, different century again...

SPECTRE of Deflation said...

An Asian student who recently arrived in America. Evil Americans. NOT!!!!!!!!!

Authorities are investigating whether the shooter was a 24- year-old Chinese national who arrived in San Francisco on a United Airlines flight August 7 on a student visa issued in Shanghai, the Chicago Sun-Times newspaper reported on its Web site, citing an unidentified official. Jennifer Galt, a spokeswoman for the U.S. consulate in Shanghai, declined to comment.

garyk said...

Keith, I just lost a whole lotta respect for you buddy. The NRA and gun lobby are evil? You really are a bleeding heart, through and through.

Anonymous said...

Any law-abiding US citizen have a problem with a non-US citizen being able to fully armor up and blow away 30 of our kids?

Think that's bad wait until the angry Mexicans get ahold of unregistered guns

keith said...

Yes, the NRA and gun lobby are evil. Blood is on their hands, and on the money they give to our corrupted congress.

Gun owners are not evil. But the NRA is.

Responsible gun owners should support sensible gun registration laws, and a sensible gun lobby.

But the NRA is possibly the single most evil organization in America. I'm at a loss to think of a worse one.

Anonymous said...

Guns kill people like forks made Rosie O'Donnell fat.

Interesting clearly divided discussion. Guns, like drugs, will always be available to those who want them regardless if its illegal or not. The key is to fight fire with fire. I assume no one walks into a police dept. with the same intent as VA Tech. because one would know all inside are just as armed and probably wouldn't stand a chance. Unless, of course, suicide is the intent.

keith said...

Bought and paid for folks, no matter if it's the NAR and NRA. We get the best congress money can buy...

NRA Gave $3.3 Million in PAC Support During The Past Decade To Representatives Who Voted To Repeal Assault Weapons Ban

Members of the House of Representatives who voted to repeal the ban on assault weapons received twenty-one times more, on average, in political action committee (PAC) contributions and independent expenditures from the National Rifle Association (NRA) during the past decade than those Members who voted to maintain the ban, according to a Common Cause study that includes a Member-by-Member breakdown of NRA PAC support received during the period.
The House voted 239 to 173 to repeal the assault weapons ban on March 22.

The Common Cause study found:

Overall, the NRA contributed $3,359,413 in PAC support to the 239 Representatives who voted to repeal the ban during the past decade. The 173 Members voting against the repeal of the assault weapons ban received a total $114,061 in NRA support.

House Members voting to repeal the assault weapons ban received, on average, $14,056 each in NRA PAC support during the past decade. House Members voting against the repeal received, on average, $659 each.


panicearly said...

i love it, its finally asian trash instead of your typical white trash.
i say we should natuarlize this guy,full citizneship, he is a true blooded american. he earned it.

Anonymous said...

It only takes one mentally ill person can jeopardize the freedom of millions.

Anonymous said...

I was all set to write passionately about this issue but many of the points I planned to make are toppled by the fact that the shooter was not raised in the USA but in South Korea and Cho Seung-Huh is said to have been identified by his legally registered weapons.

Anonymous said...

I would never leave America to safely criticize its policy from the cover of another land while benefiting from its fruits. Keith, you have a very low moral character.

panicearly said...

Anon 1:32 , Bush is not mentally ill.


Anonymous said...

I'm loining the NRA, Keith is Satan to America, Realtors, and the internet.

Mustafa Coulter said...


don't bother to educate the trash..the white trash scum pr-gunners are poorly educated brainwashed Ameri-cuns whose perspective is limited to Wal-Mart culture, fast food and vacationing in Disneyworld. That's why Arab teenagers are wiping the flloe with the American military in Iraq. These wimps can talk a big gun game, but they're only striving lower-class pussies, insecure about their penis size and that their wife/girlfriend will leave them for something bigger.
Hey, you POSs, get your fat-asses away from the keyboard and volunteeer to go to Iraq and really fight, you Ameri-cun faggots.

Anonymous said...

Damn Keith, what's with the friendly fire?

The shooter is some resident alien from South Korea? Sheesh, all this Americans are nuts talk.

Anonymous said...

Koreans are suppose to have the highest SAT score so is this one man's rage against the model minority myth?

onemorebeer said...

There is no point of arguing with these NRA idiots. They would happily bomb France if they just could find it on a map.

SPECTRE of Deflation said...


A little too sensitive in reminding you that those wacky and wonderful Europeans started TWO world wars in the last 100 years. The truth sucks, and you not posting my comment speaks volumes concerning your character or lack thereof. How does it feel to have paper thin skin?

Anonymous said...



Anonymous said...

Looks like the guns were illegal and not registered

Two law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of because the information had not been announced, said Cho's fingerprints were found on the guns used in both shootings. The serial numbers on the two weapons had been filed off, the officials said

Sojourner said...

South Korean national? That mean James Huberty is still the King! USA! USA! USA!

Sojourner said...

"But the NRA is possibly the single most evil organization in America. I'm at a loss to think of a worse one."


Anonymous said...

Why do you libs assume that requiring firearm registration is going to have any effect on whether someone like this South Korean wacko decides to obtain a gun and kill people? Newsflash: Criminals don't care about the law.

Anonymous said...

"But the NRA is possibly the single most evil organization in America. I'm at a loss to think of a worse one."

The Democratic Party comes to mind. They're quite willing to allow the slaughter of millions worldwide, because war is so icky.

Keith, I've enjoyed some of your commentary in the past, but your increasing level of hysteria makes me question your stability.

I picture you on the deck of Titanic, watching the water rise to meet you, screaming, "I told you this ship wasn't safe!"

Remember that the hostility you project will be magnified upon its return to you.

See you around.

onemorebeer said...

"It shouldn't take a school shooting or an inner-city neighborhood shooting to make us realize that American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States"


Anonymous said...

5000 a year is a load of bullshit. "Children" when used in this category includes anyone 19 years old and younger. Take out the gang bangers shooting each other, take out all the "children" shot by the police while commiting crimes and your 5000 is in the hundreds of actual innocent kids hurt by guns.

But that would require some analytical thinking and not parroting of MSM liberal bullshit statistics.

bob said...

The thing is not how likely you are to be killed by a gun, but how likely you are to be killed at all. How likely you are to be assaulted or raped.

Looking at it that way, GB, Canada, NZ, don't look as good as they did when you look at the gun murder rates.

I believe the phrase is "dead is dead".

SPECTRE of Deflation said...

Thanks much for posting my comment concerning the blood stained hands of Europe (TWO WORLD WARS STARTED IN EUROPE BY EUROPEANS) looking down upon we lowly Americans. We saved Europe's ass twice, and all the characteristics and characterizations of Americans which you and Europe now deplore were the very same characteristics and characterizations that saved Europe's bacon not once but twice.

No thin skin on your part. Appologies!

Anonymous said...

"There is no point of arguing with these NRA idiots. They would happily bomb France if they just could find it on a map."

Bomb France? No need, they will surrender without putting up a fight.

Anonymous said...

Guns and Gold go hand in hand. I do not want the government to take either away from me. I am a Pennsylvania resident, with a licence to carry. The only things I have ever hurt with my gun are beer cans filled with water for target practice. You know the old joke that Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun. Also, don't cars kill more people in the US every year than guns. In New Jersey, an anti gun state, I heard of a man who killed his wife with a base ball bat. Maybe we should outlaw bats.

Anonymous said...

I blame Marilyn Manson

Homicide Suicide Unintentional

USA 4.08 (1999) 6.08 (1999) 0.42 (1999)

How many there in Africa?

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