The general consensus on this board was for a period of wild inflation, followed by the unavoidable deflation as The Great Unwinding takes hold.
Helicopter Ben, being the brilliant economist he is (and in control of the printing press), told us in 2002 that under no circumstances would there be deflation.
So now you have the market selling off anything connected with protecting yourself from inflation, and a rush toward US t-bills paying 0.47%, which if that's not deflation I don't know what is.
So, knowing what you know and seeing what you see, are you in the Inflation camp, or the Deflation camp?
I'm still without confidence because of all the factors at play. I see wild inflation right now, I feel deflation is to come, but I see the government and the Fed pumping out dollars. So deflation with a debased US dollar which is still deflation but may look like inflation.
Someone get me some Tylenol. And here's Schiff's view on Inflation/Deflation/Fed Policy
March 20, 2008
Inflation. Deflation. Printing Presses. Oh my.
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January 24, 2008
FLASH: Merrill Lynch predicts historic 15% crash in US home prices in 2008, falling 10% more in 2009, and falling more in 2010
Love seeing Yun trying to spin his way out of this one. Too bad he can't be sued or arrested.
Merrill says the total decline the next few years will be 20% to 30%. Hell, even those numbers are optimistic, especially for towns like Phoenix, Vegas, Miami, Detroit, Naples, Tampa, Boston, DC, Sacramento, OC, Tucson and oh so many more.
Housing prices to free fall in 2008
According to a Merrill Lynch report, home prices will drop 15 percent this year, and declines will continue in 2009.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The worst housing financial crisis in decades is only going to get worse, a Merrill Lynch report said Wednesday.
The investment bank forecasted a 15 percent drop in housing prices in 2008 and a further 10 percent drop in 2009, with even more depreciation likely in 2010.
By contrast, the National Association of Realtors (NAR) expects housing prices to remain flat in 2008. NAR did cut its home price estimate for the current quarter, however, to a 5.3 percent year-over-year decline, which represents the steepest drop in that price measure on record. But NAR sees an uptick in home prices in the last two quarters of 2008.
"Merrill Lynch's figures are way too pessimistic, and they are unprecedented," Lawrence Yun, the National Association of Realtors chief economist told CNNMoney.com. "There is so much variation in local housing markets, and we see stable price conditions for 2008."
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January 18, 2008
It's not just subprime that's melting down - it's ALL OF IT (negative-am, alt-a, prime, seconds, auto, revolving, student, etc)

I hate reading "the subprime problem", "the subprime meltdown" and "the subprime crisis" in the lazy MSM. Note to the MSM and to the world:
CREDIT IS MELTING DOWN. ALL IF IT. SUBPRIME WAS JUST THE TINY FIRST WAVE. AND TRILLIONS WILL BE LOST. IT WAS A BIG HOUSE OF CARDS BUILT ON FRAUD AND GREED, AND IT AIN'T GETTIN' PAID BACK.
Should be obvious, but for some reason it ain't gettin' through to 'em yet. But it will.
Subprime losses to date – Merrill Lynch – $22.1bn
Citigroup – $18.1bn
UBS – $13.5bn
Morgan Stanley – $9.4bn
HSBC – $3.4bn
Bear Stearns – $3.2bn
Deutsche Bank – $3.2bn
Bank of America – $3bn
Barclays – $2.6bn
RBS – $2.5bn
Freddie Mac – $2bn
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December 07, 2007
Washington Post business columnist: "It's Not 1929, but It's the Biggest Mess Since" - a house of cards that's about to come crashing down. Yup.

The MSM is really starting to get it now. So when do Wall Street and Main Street get the memo?
It's Not 1929, but It's the Biggest Mess Since
It was Charles Mackay, the 19th-century Scottish journalist, who observed that men go mad in herds but only come to their senses one by one.
We are only at the beginning of the financial world coming to its senses after the bursting of the biggest credit bubble the world has seen.
Everyone seems to acknowledge now that there will be lots of mortgage foreclosures and that house prices will fall nationally for the first time since the Great Depression.
Some lenders and hedge funds have failed, while some banks have taken painful write-offs and fired executives. There's even a growing recognition that a recession is over the horizon.
But let me assure you, you ain't seen nothing, yet.
If all this sounds like a financial house of cards, that's because it is. And it is about to come crashing down, with serious consequences not only for banks and investors but for the economy as a whole.
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July 19, 2007
Alt-A "Liar's Loan" king IndyMac falling off the cliff, right on schedule
Funny though how the King of Liar's Loans appears to be run by liars themselves (Mark to Market?). But don't worry HP'ers, like Enron and WorldCom before them, eventually IndyMac's probably incompetent auditors (where their CFO came from btw) will have to do their jobs. Eventually. I feel sorry for their likely soon-to-be-laid-off 8,600 employees, but hopefully they'll find honest work next time.
Mortgage Crisis Roughs up IndyMac
The mortgage lender, which provides "Alt-A" loans, suffers as the mortgage crisis
For investors in IndyMac Bancorp (IMB), here's the good news: the mortgage lender handles hardly any subprime loans. Defaults on the risky mortgages have skyrocketed, killing off a few of IndyMac's rivals. And Bear Stearns reported that its two hedge funds that held subprime mortgage debt were virtually worthless.
The bad news for IndyMac: The subprime crisis is spreading to other kinds of debt.
On Wednesday, IndyMac's stock fell 5.5% to $27.45. A downgrade by a Lehman Brothers analyst exacerbated worries that have sent the stock falling almost 40% so far this year.
At the top of the list of worries is so-called "Alt-A" mortgages. Subprime loans are taken out by buyers with low credit scores. Buyers who take out Alt-A loans are supposedly less risky, but they submit little documentation to prove it. The loan approval is usually based on a credit score and little else, with no proof of income. There's a "big spectrum" of quality among the loans, says Standard & Poor's Equity analyst Stuart Plesser. (S&P, like BusinessWeek, is owned by McGraw-Hill.)
IndyMac, as one of the country's biggest Alt-A originators, is vulnerable as the defaults rise among these loans. "From a credit quality perspective, it's a notch above subprime," says Keefe, Bruyette & Woods analyst Manuel Ramirez (KBW does investment banking with IndyMac). However, "you've seen signs of pretty significant credit deterioration," he says. Delinquencies and defaults are up.
Part of the problem is that no one really knows how bad the loan crisis will get, Plesser says. Experts worry that defaults will increase. "How many people were given mortgages who couldn't afford the loan?" Ramirez asks.
As important for IndyMac, what's the value of the homes that serve as collateral for its loans? "Now that you have home prices going down, what they have backing [the loans] isn't as strong as it once was," Plesser says.
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July 03, 2007
And then the hedge funds started to collapse... "People are nervous about how deep the revaluations will have to go"
July 2 (Bloomberg) -- United Capital Markets Holdings Inc., a brokerage run by John Devaney, halted redemptions on some of its hedge funds that invest in subprime-mortgage bonds.
The funds are within the company's Horizon Strategy group, including the Horizon ABS Fund LP, said Michael Gregory, a spokesman for the Key Biscayne, Florida-based firm.
``We did that as a defensive move because we had an unusually high number of redemption requests and we didn't want to be a forced seller in this market,'' Gregory said in a telephone interview. One of the redemption requests was from an investor who had put up about 25 percent of the funds' money.
The decision by Devaney, 37, follows the collapse of two hedge funds run by Bear Stearns Cos., which also lost money amid a plunge in bonds backed by subprime mortgages. As the Bear Stearns funds faltered, prices of the securities tumbled on concern the bonds would be dumped on the market at fire sale prices. Owners of similar securities may face $90 billion in losses, Deutsche Bank AG analysts predicted June 29.
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April 12, 2007
IMF: Subprime decline more rapid than expected. HP: Brace for Alt-A crash landing
OK, everyone, BRACE! Assume the crash position. Put your head between to your knees... The Alt-A meltdown is gonna surprise some folks, and may end up being a bigger story (and impact) than the Subprime Disaster.
IMF warns subprime woes may spread, dollar falls
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Fallout in the U.S. subprime mortgage market could spread to related markets, the International Monetary Fund warned on Tuesday, as nagging worries about housing helped weaken the dollar.
The company's shares fell on investor concern that problems in subprime mortgages may be spreading to higher-quality housing loans, a view the IMF also gave credence to.
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April 10, 2007
So much fraud. So many con-men. So little oversight. And the biggest Ponzi Scheme in the history of humanity.
Folks, I'm not sure if you realise it yet, but we're witnessing the biggest financial story of all time. The collapse of the US housing market (aka Ponzi Scheme), and the uncovering of the causes and the rampant corruption, will dominate the news cycle for years to come.
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The subprime implosion, financial excess and an obvious accident waiting to happen
I love the headlines "analysts surprised" when it comes to things that we all know for certain, like the fact that the subprime implosion isn't "contained" as the Fed would have you believe, and that indeed it is spreading, most obviously into the "liar's loan" or Alt-A portfolio. And the true spillover effects into the housing market and US economy haven't even been seen yet, even though you damn well know they will be, and soon.
"Analysts Surprised"? Try "Analysts should have been reading HP", because it's all so damn obvious. Here's a good article on the subprime debacle, and what's to come.
Greed could bring America’s housing sector to grief
For hundreds of thousands of Americans, it is a personal financial disaster. For the wider US economy, it is a growing economic shock with an increasing potential to inflict severe repercussions on the nation’s prospects and prosperity.
The deepening scandal of the US “sub-prime” mortgage implosion looks more and more like a cautionary tale of financial excess that sits unhappily alongside Enron and the dot-com bubble, both in terms of scale and consequences.
It is story of Dickensian bleakness: of avaricious money-merchants and of the broken dreams of struggling but foolhardy men and women who seized on false promises of an easy leg up the ladder of their own aspirations.
Viewed in hindsight, the debacle that is now unfolding was, like many such events, an obvious accident waiting to happen.
Around the turn of the decade, as the US housing boom accelerated, a large group of greedy American lending institutions became so rashly intent on maintaining the growth of their loan books at all costs that they began to hand out mortgages to borrowers with varying combinations of poor credit history, no steady source of income and little or no collateral.
As lending criteria grew more and more relaxed, the risks associated with this reckless “sub-prime” lending escalated, with vulnerable borrowers being given access to loans for 100 per cent of property values and high multiples of their incomes. And, just as soaring house prices meant that more people had to resort to such sub-prime loans, so sub-prime lending itself gave more fuel to the property boom.
It is plain that the social consequences of all of this are as grim as they are scandalous. Yet many US analysts appear excessively relaxed about the wider fallout for a slowing American economy, arguing that the scale of the sub-prime market means that any spillover effects will be slight.
This looks about as complacent as the thoughtless lenders who are now going to the wall. Not only is it clear that the sub-prime crisis is going to get a whole lot worse before it runs its course, but the potential for a domino effect hitting large parts of the United States’s housing market, and the wider economy, looks rather greater.
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April 02, 2007
The Knockout Blow: “If you think this is bad, imagine what it’s going to be like in the middle of the crisis.”
I like the "we've hit bottom" crowd, even though that field is getting smaller. Folks, now the the REIC is in full meltdown mode, and millions will eventually lose their jobs (including the illegals), all that does is speed up the crash even faster. The meltdown is just starting. And people think it's bad already? Man, just wait.
The ability of “anybody with a pulse” (and probably their dog too) to get a loan is what drove the real-estate market.
The ability of people to refinance and cash-out home equity also fueled consumer spending and the economy.
But now a huge segment of prospective home buyers can no longer qualify for a mortgage to purchase a home, and home prices are stagnating and falling in many areas.
“It’s going to be a disaster for many people who don’t have a clue about what happens when a real-estate bubble pops,” said Rogers.Think of this as “the leading edge of the storm,” says Lou Ranieri, who is considered by some to be the father of the mortgage bond market.
“If you think this is bad, imagine what it’s going to be like in the middle of the crisis.”
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March 30, 2007
Bear Stearns and IndyMac say Alt-A (liar's loans) won't have trouble. HousingPANIC says they will. Who you gonna bet on?
We all know how that one ended, and many of us know how the Liars Loan Debacle will end too.
You cannot lend money carelessly to anyone who can smoke a mirror (Casey Serin), with no proof of income, no proof they can pay the money back and no proof they didn't take out multiple other liar's loans concurrently.
Oh, I correct that. Yes, in today's environment, you CAN lend money out carelessly to anyone. And that's why the mother of all meltdowns is underway.
Note, I'm short IndyMac (NDE), far and away the biggest issuer of liar's loans, via an October put.
Bear Stearns, IndyMac Say Subprime Woes Won't Spread
March 29 (Bloomberg) -- Bear Stearns Cos., the biggest U.S. underwriter of mortgage-backed bonds, said the surge of defaults in subprime home loans won't spread to other parts of the mortgage market, and IndyMac Bancorp Inc. said losses from more creditworthy customers are far below industry averages.
Lending 100 percent of the home value, not verifying borrowers' income and lower credit scores caused U.S. subprime defaults to rise, said Tom Marano, head of Bear Stearns' mortgage business, in a New York meeting with investors today. Only 7 percent of Alt-A mortgages, another low-documentation loan that's drawn scrutiny, combine all three risk factors, he said.
Shares of companies that offer less-risky mortgages including IndyMac Bancorp have fallen this year partly because investors were concerned Alt-A loans may go sour. Regulators including Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said they don't see any ``spillover'' of defaults into safer mortgages, and IndyMac said today the industry's loss rate on Alt-A is one- seventeenth the level of subprime loans.
``The contagion isn't that big a problem,'' Marano said. ``I don't see the risk as being that significant at this point.''
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March 23, 2007
Miami condo buyers: "I want out". Developers: "F*ck you!" REALTORS: "I want my commission check!"
The funniest thing about the rush for the condo-investor exits is all those real estate clerks who've already spent the commissions they'll now never collect.
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March 20, 2007
Shocked! Shocked I say! Subprime lenders targeted blacks, hispanics, poor people
Part of Bush's call for an "ownership" society of course was for rich people and bankers to own poor people. Call it the New Serfdom. Or financial slavery. And of course, those at the bottom of the socio-economic status ladder were easy targets for the subprime lenders empowered by Bush and Greenspan's call to ARMs.
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March 18, 2007
Wow. Where do we even start. The Great Housing and Credit Crash is Here
Five days away and it feels like five years. Everything has become so clear now, so horrifically clear. We are now firmly, securely and undoubtedly in total and complete meltdown mode.
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March 10, 2007
Say goodbye to 1.1 million potential fools (new homedebtors) this year with the massive credit contraction underway
"This implies a purchase contraction of 1.1 million borrowers," said Westhoff who was speaking at Bear Stearns mortgage conference here. "That's a non-trivial number."
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March 09, 2007
That's gotta suck: Take out a toxic loan, figure you can refi when it adjusts, subprime melts down, now you're stuck
You can just hear the corrupt commission-hungry unregulated no-morals mortgage broker telling his sucker (oops, "client") to go ahead and take out the toxic no-down, no-doc, teaser-rate loan (with the massive hidden payoff fee), because the sucker (oops, "client") could just come back in a couple of years when the toxic loan was due to reset and refi.
USA TODAY
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March 05, 2007
NEW, FMT and LEND pretty much bit the dust today. This subprime implosion is fascinating isn't it?
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March 03, 2007
Dot-com to dot-condo - company flame-outs, criminal investigations, and the disintegration of an industry. Subprime #2 New Century blows up
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February 28, 2007
Fleck: The game is over. Subprime helped cause the housing price bubble, and it's over. The Great Unwinding is here.
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That HP "you only have days to prepare" call on Friday night was insane. But oh, so easy to make.
Remember this HP post on Friday night?
PEOPLE OF THE WORLD, THE TIME IS NIGH.
THE GREAT HOUSING CRASH IS HERE. DUCK AND COVER. LIGHT FUSE AND GET AWAY.
YOU ONLY HAVE DAYS TO PREPARE.
THE EPIC HOUSING CRASH IS UNDERWAY.
THE GREAT UNWINDING IS HERE. THE BIGGEST BUBBLE, EL FINANCIAL MANIA GRANDE, IN HUMAN HISTORY HAS BEEN PIERCED.
IT HATH BEEN FORETOLD.PEACE OUT. GOOD LUCK. FULL STOP.
I hope many of you, not because of HP but because of reality, have made the moves in your lives to prepare not just for what's happening, but for what is to come. The Dow could go back up 500 points tomorrow (it won't), but that's not the issue. The issue is that The Great Unwinding is here. No more BS. No more spin. It's here. So get ready and deal with it.
Now I'm going to try to think of tomorrow's winning Lotto numbers. I'll let you know if I come up with anything.
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