October 09, 2008

Connect these dots. Illegals, housing, liar's loans, Arizona, McCain, Countrywide, FBI, Alberto Gonzales, Bush, worldwide economic meltdown, weeds

(phoenix suburban hell photos courtesy of housingdoom)

HUD: Five Million Fraudulent Mortgages Held by Illegals

Some five million fraudulent home mortgages are in the hands of illegal aliens, according to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.

It's not known how many of those have contributed to the subprime housing mortgage meltdown, but it has affected every state, including Arizona.

FBI Will Not Go After Borrowers Who Lied on Mortgage Applications

Borrowers who defrauded lenders by lying on their mortgage application could be thrown in prison for up to 30 years and forced to pay a $1 million fine under the current federal law. But the FBI says there is no intention to pursue borrowers at this time.

Almost 60 percent of stated-loan applicants inflated their incomes by at least 50 percent, according to the Mortgage Asset Research Institute. The worst part is that everyone knew the income was being inflated. The industry even had a name for these kinds of loans--'liar's loans.'

Letter to the Editor - Arizona Republic

No housing 'bubble' bursting in the Valley
May. 27, 2006 12:00 AM

I see an awful lot written about the real estate "bubble" bursting, but I've yet to see evidence of this happening in Phoenix.I'm buying a home in Buckeye, a town that has seen a 4 percent increase in sales this quarter compared with the same time last year and where price appreciation has increased every month during the past three months.

In the overall Phoenix market, inventory is up more than 10 times year-ago levels; prices are up 70 percent over 2004 levels; yet sales dipped only 7 percent in the first quarter of 2006. Is this evidence of a bubble bursting? I think not.

- Sonny Shrivastava, Tolleson

The new homeowners
By Nicholas P. Retsinas (idiot at the Harvard Joint Center for Housing Studies) July 8, 2007

CONGRESS, presidential candidates, and lots of Americans may be giving a tepid welcome to the immigrants settling into America's neighborhoods -- some illegally, most legally. But the housing industry should be sending a welcome wagon. And every baby boomer hoping to sell his home in the next decade should be embracing these newcomers, for they will constitute an increasing segment of the home-buying, apartment-renting market. According to University of Southern California demographer Dowell Myers, immigrants and baby boomers must "forge a new social contract." The Garcias and Nguyens are buoying the housing industry.


AZDavidPhx said...

Oh man someone needs to locate Sonny Shrivastava and ask him how his Buckeye house is doing now. Pwned.

sundry vermin said...

ACORN: No-doc, no down voting.


mcsame said...

I am scared shiffless.I am running to walmart to stock up on rations.anyone noticed the amount of walmart babes sporting coach bags.must be a real bitch to have to shop at walmart.I mean all those dirty people who got subprime loans roaming the isles.

Anonymous said...


Barney Frank

Nancy Pelosi

Chris Dodd.....

and other various and assorted Democrats!

Anonymous said...

Jose and Veronica must be arrested and deported immediately along with their , by now, multiple anchor babies. They are felon invaders and must be punished as such. Their bank account to be seized and asets confiscated to help abate the fees and costs pf shipping them back to Hell where they crawled from.

Any Realtor assisting illegal aliens needs to be executed.

Problem Solved.

Mike Hunt said...

Did you see the realtor with that insane left eye twitch. Like he would say the word 'lying' and then his left eye would involuntary twitch? Something out of the movie Casino Royal... I'd like to play poker with that realtor.

Here I am in Thailand where foreigners who pay tax, contribute to the the society, and hold gainful employment are forbidden from owning land under Thai law. Yet the US offers mortgages and homes to illegals? It's time to march against this injustice.


k.w. - Southern Ca. said...

Very interesting.

It's amazing how so many of these people quickly found out how to game the system.

Worse yet, our own (greedy) institutions helped them do it.

Back across the border they should all go, including the institutions that helped them fraudulantly qualify for a mortgage the could never really afford.

keith said...

McCain is an idiot - read this one:


gutless and lazy said...

Hey Mr. Hunt,

Same deal with India. Foreigners are not allowed to buy property there.

But Indians here in the USA come in, take jobs, deflate US worker wages, AND bid up prices on US homes.

Americans get financially raped both ways. Indians prosper both ways.

That's "free trade", you American tools.

gutless and lazy said...

Financial Disasters for $1,000 Alex!

Alex :
"Connect these dots. Illegals, housing, liar's loans, Arizona, McCain, Countrywide, FBI, Alberto Gonzales, Bush, worldwide economic meltdown, weeds"

What is the Bush/GOP economic house of cards from 20001 to 2008?

Alex : CORRECT!!!

VectorzSigma said...

Where do you get off accusing the "NGUYENS" as being part of the illegal demographic defrauding our country? I've seldom heard of Vietnamese illegals in this country so where do you get your information from? You're an ignorant and racist fool

keith said...

The Nguynes thing is Nicholas Retsinas' column, idiot

Anonymous said...

It's OK. John McCain and Barack Obama want to give them amnesty so they won't be illegal aliens any more will they?

Reality said...

Aha, the fools! As soon as the laws to ban them are penned, they will just disappear. All the FBI agents work for free. All the immigration agents work for no pay. None of the law enforcement agents need a place to live, nor do their families, so they don't need to take out mortgages.

What planet are people living on nowadays? Must be on the same planet where doctors and nurses work for free as soon as the government mandates free healthcare for all. Paying for warfare and police state is even worse than paying for a welfare state. Any time you do something against people's free will, it costs money . . . money coming out of your own pocket and paying for institutions of violence-and-coercion that can easily be turned against yourself. They whole "legal" vs. "illegal" paper distinction is ridiculous. If the person has an income that can pay for mortgage and wants to have a house, let the bank take the risk and lend him money. If the bank's judgement turns out to be faulty, let the bank eat the loss in foreclosure/bankruptcy. As simple as that. Taxpayer involvement in any form, whether subsidizing the bank or banning the transaction are both quite unnecessary.

Given the demographics of baby boomers retiring and how enormous of our trade deficit is, we as a nation probably does require some foreigners to buy whatever bubble asset they fancy owning in this country, just to offset the trade imbalance. Mitsubishi and Sony lost tens of billions of dollars with their real estate and entertainment purchases in the US nearly two decades ago; that meant millions of cars and electronic gears had been shipped to the US for free. A decade ago, Mercedes-Benz bought Chrysler for a premium and subsequently lost over $40 billion . . . that's equivalent to a million luxury cars given to Americans for free!

We still have to figure out what worthless crap that we have that might interest the Chinese and Indians (not to mention Mexicans for their oil export to the US). The sovereign wealth fund investments that cost them billions worked (for us) but only for a little while before burning them a little too badly too quick. Perhaps sucking them into catching the falling knife in real estate directly in the US just might be the ticket. LOL. Cash purchase a $300k house, and get a green card! That just might be the ticket for sucking in a ton of US dollars from overseas without having to pay them interest or printing up more dollars and cause inflation for the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

" Reality said...
Aha, the fools! As soon as the laws to ban them are penned, they will just disappear."

I like your thinking. How about the "Illegal Alien Mexican Felon Invader Bounty Program of 2009-10".

Eliminate the Red Tape and Remember: to make an omlette you have to break a few eggs...

Mistakes will happen. That is why we will give the illegal mexican felons a one-time 90 day amnesty program to leave the country voluntarily at their own expense, No Questions Asked, No Hard Feelings, just Adios, Muchacha.

All health care facilities to require valid US ID for treatmet. Any doctor treating illegals no matter what the circumstances loses license permanently and goes to work for the Bushco regime in Paraguay... Np Appeals allowed.

Then the bounty program takes effect and all bets are OFF...

Bye bye Juan and Rosa and the anchors. We are broke in US and never really liked you anyway... We have plenty of unemployed GM workers named Malcolm to rake leaves and carry cement and stand in front of Home Depot.

Dial 1-800- John McCain and ask for the amnesty department. You may be re-connected to a friendly ICE officer and the call will be traced immedeiately... or maybe you will get connected to City Hall in Wasilla, Alaska. You see, Juan, Its a gamble, just like swimming the RioGrande or breaking in at Laredo...

Swine Ilegal Aliens Felon Invaders.

shultzie said...

Please - which is worse: a million illegals buying homes they could not afford through sleezy means?>

or 10 million white americans buying homes they could not afford through sleezy means...who should have known better?

seems like there is plenty of blame to go around.

Anonymous said...

"shultzie said...
Please - which is worse: a million illegals buying homes they could not afford through sleezy means?"

YES. For too many reasons to coment here.

Anonymous said...

Finally someone mentions ACORN!! It's about bloody time.

Anonymous said...




www.slycapital.com said...

Nicholas Retsinas and the guys at UCLA Anderson should lose their jobs.
These SOB's were laughing at anyone predicting problems and now they're being quoted everywhere and acting like they predicted the whole thing.
I keep news articles and I have them at both ends of those debacle.
Actually, completely shameless might be more appropriate.

Anonymous said...

This is nothing but bs propaganda by the far far right.

Some five million fraudulent home mortgages are in the hands of illegal aliens even if there are only 7 to 8 million illegals are in the US? Close to 70% of all illegals are therefore "property owners"? LOL!

Keith: don't turn your blog into a hate blog!

tater said...

anon said: Swine Ilegal Aliens Felon Invaders.

I agree with you 100 per cent. These illegals come over here and act as if it is their God-given right to break federal law. I say give 'em all two tacos each, and haul off and kick their asses back to their respective countries.

I am sick and tired of all this bullshit about how we are supposed to accomodate these leeches/illegals. And, I don't give a shit what people think about me or my opinion on this. And, they can take their "anchor" brats back, too. Sorry ass bunch of law-breaking sponges is what they are.

And, let's not forget the sorry ass employers who hire these sleazebags. They should have a penalty for the employers: A non-stop, five minute taser session - full powered.

Keith, you succeeded in getting my blood in a boil on this one.

Anonymous said...

In the past year or so that I've frequented this blog, I've not noticed any mention of the Community Reinvestment Act, which, along with groups like ACORN, played a fairly big role in the current crisis.

In a nutshell the housing panic seems to be the sum of:

ACORN + $1 Trillion in CRA mandated subprime loans + anti-"predatory" lending laws + artificially low interest rates = boom = ARMs = worldwide economic meltdown.

This article sums up the situation concisely: http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo125.html

It seems that an argument can be made for government regulation having been the cause of this crisis. If we need more government intervention it's only because of government intervening in the first place.

i've had it said...

There is absolutely no doubt that illegal aliens are an important cause of the housing crisis and the world financial meltdown.

The illegals came here to America and served as the source of labor to build all of these useless houses. They also purchased these houses. I'm a bit dubious of the 5 million figure in this article but I'm sure it was significant. Banks like Bank of America set up special mortgage programs for them. Other banks followed. All the banks were encouraged or hounded by the govt. and groups like ACORN to make loans to illegals. The illegals even went on to flip and speculate houses.

I know of one situation (based on a discussion with a taxi driver from Ghana) where an illegal from Ghana purchased a bunch of homes, cashed out for hundreds of thousands of dollars, and then went back to Ghana...never to be seen again. Get it? He went back to Ghana with our demand deposits...the money we put into our savings accounts.

Deport the illegals NOW!!!

Anonymous said...

The illegals would never have been able to buy these houses in the first place had the government not mandated the lowering of lending standards in order to cater to subprime borrowers. The illegals simply took advantage of a system that was already in place.

Also I wonder what percentage of illegals actually default on their loans compared to American subprime borrowers. The illegals at least usually stuff several families into one house, making it easier for them to make the payments. And they do tend to have jobs.

Anonymous said...

"The illegals at least usually stuff several families into one house, making it easier for them to make the payments. And they do tend to have jobs."

No, they do not do that generally.

Their job is gaming the syatem, knocking up their women to shit out anchor babies to ruin the healthcare system.

I hear that they are considering the Bounty Program Proposal...