February 04, 2008

BUBBLETALK - Open thread to talk about the housing crash and mortgage meltdown


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keith said...

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Come in Thursday night or Friday, leave Sunday

Points of discussion:

1) what hotel, where to meet
2) what experts to invite
3) Coordinator and committee nominees
4) schedule/forum topics
5) extracurricular activities
6) costs/fees/sign-up

Start the discussion here, and remember this would be an anti-convention type of weekend - anarchy like HP but fun. I don't want to see too much organization but just enough to make it work!

Anonymous said...

You need to invite Eric Janszen of iTulip.com

- Art

W.C. Varones said...

For those who want to arrive early, they can catch the National Pawnbrokers Association convention.

I have a feeling that's going to be a growth industry.

CalisDead said...

I would suggest for a hotel and convention room the Monte Carlo. They are one of the cheapest for rooms, yet still have the feeling of business class. The convention rooms are cheap as well, although the hotel's catered food sucks.

For my company I have scheduled two conferences at the Monte Carlo finding it the most economical place in vegas to both stay at and have the convention room. Not to mention your right there on the strip with access to trams and walkways.

I could get some numbers together is someone gives me an estimate of attendees. My general use email is: cal_ford@hotmail.com. Any responses I get I will post here.

Anonymous said...

Come one come all. Do you believe 9/11 was a hoax? Do you believe Jews rule the world? Do you live in your momma's basement? Have you been a renter all your life? Have you never had a job that didn't require a name tag?

If you answered yes to these question we invite you to the 1st Annual

TINFOILHAT IN THE DESERT FESTIVAL

Anonymous said...

Ron Paul !!!

He came in 2nd in Nevada.

He may announce a 3rd party run at our big show!

Roccman said...

Really Keith - not gonna happen.

Not because of its merit...just because planes will not be flying commercially...plans dropping bombs on Iran and conducting civil disobedience fly bys will be up.

Food will be rationed...gas will be rationed.

The time for this was last November in LV.

Hey - if I am wrong - I'll go.

Not likely.

Anonymous said...

Hos many hits a day do you get? If it's thousands and thousands this may work.

Paul E. Math said...

I was in Vegas in early December. Mandalay Bay is a great new hotel that adjoins the new convention center. Not horribly pricey. A short indoor walk away is the slightly older and cheaper Egyptian-themed Luxor, which I thought was an acceptable compromise. We could make Mandalay Bay the main hotel and Luxor the less expensive alternative.

Your Jewish Master said...

TINFOILHAT IN THE DESERT FESTIVAL

So I shouldn't put on my name tag:

HELLO My Name Is
YOUR JEWISH MASTER
??

CalisDead said...

Monte Carlo is cheapest on the strip, $60/night during certain months.

Also, I grow tired of these mentally ill distractors talking about tin hats, etc.

Sac Renter said...

Well, in all seriousness, I think it would be fun and worthwhile. Imagine to be able to speak freely about the state of real estate! I go to LV alot for my job and Monte Carlo is a nice place. Not over the top, just decent (for a casino on the strip). I would love to see Peter Schiff or Russ Winter, or Krowne, the usual suspects. I work for the Dept. of the Interior and could inquire about things to do at Red Rock, Lake Mead, etc. Let me know how I can help!

Anonymous said...

SUZANNNE!

Suzzaaaannnee MUST be a Keynote speaker!

What Dynamic successful HP would not want a shot at that....

Call it; Realwhore How to

Anonymous said...

Are you going to warn the HPers from outside the area just how deadly hot Las Vegas is in July? I was there for the 4th of July last year. I remember news stories of people dying from the heat when the electricity (read: air conditioning) went out for a large block of homes.

Anonymous said...

I'm in! I also proposed that the t-shirts for the convention are brown :)

Anonymous said...

How about the 4 Seasons? Compliments of a non-defunct/untapped HELOC!!

Just kidding, take vacation during the week, hotels will be dying to get people to fill the rooms (Su-Th). I am already getting 2 for 1 offers from the Wynn ($119 for 2 nights). Don't care for the clientele, but hey, at least they did not sell out to Dubai a la MGM Mirage. Harrah's is out for me too; they ruined the Rio and no longer have the hottest chicks slinging drinks. Shit, not much left unless you go off-strip (Station or Coast Hotel/Casino).

This sucks, now I am jonseing for a drink and a hot dice table. Thanks, Keith, you couldn't wait until after April 15th. Can you tell I am a Vegas junky?!?!?

A good invite is Mr. Walker of the GAO; thank you for the great post regarding the $52 Trillion obligation.

Dr. Housing Bubble is another great invite.

If this deal goes down and the timing is right, I would check it out (it helps extend my minimal Las Vegas beautification fund budget).

Max said...

I am in. We should invite local realtors and tell them how we have a big group of potential buyers. Then when they show us some houses offer up what their really worth. Hilarity ensues...

keith said...

We could have two official hotels one for bubble sitters who sold at the peak, invested the proceeds and rented (The Hotel at Mandalay) and one for bitter renters and reformed REIC down on their luck (excalibur)

I hate hotel conference rooms so I think we need a better place to hang, maybe rent out one of the high-roller suites

Most fun is gonna be hitting the condos and new home developments with 80% off offers. We might make realtors cry though if we do the math with 'em

Vegas in July is actually OK - as long as you're inside or at the pool. It's so hot it's funny but it's a dry heat!

keith said...

Someone want to be the coordinator of all of this send me an email

Frank@Scottsdale-Sucks.com said...

Ahh ... well if you're not going to have it in Phoenix we need an optional trip to Scottsdale so people who've never been can see how fake and pretentious it really is.

Anyone who hasn't been there has no idea that it's so plastic, it makes Hollywood blush.

Frank@Scottsdale-Sucks.com said...

Food will be rationed...gas will be rationed.

Won't happen unless and until Hillary or Obama gets in.

Are you going to warn the HPers from outside the area just how deadly hot Las Vegas is in July?

FWIW, it's 5-10 degrees cooler and less humid than Phoenix in July. Vegas in July ain't so bad.

Tyrone said...

If this date and location falls through, I recommend the following dates/location...

REALTORS® Conference & Expo in Orlando, Florida:
Orange County Convention Center, Orlando, Florida
November 7-10, 2008

Anonymous said...

why just HP? how bout an inter-bubbleblog conference with peepz from other sites too?

Anonymous said...

i find drunken insanity is availed easier at the fancy casinos and resorts by not staying there, although sometimes the boot to the butt at the doors of the fancypant places is quite stinging

resisting husband said...

We can lose all our money on slots then make a conference call to 995 Hope for a bailout!!!

mp3commie said...

Forget the strip and the consumption zombies. It has to be where it's still really Las Vegas--downtown! How about the Golden Nugget? Great since renovation and on of the best steak houses (Vic & Anthony's) in Vegas.

Ruprecht said...

will mother be there?

resisting husband said...

1) I stayed at Bally's a few times, it was like $59 a night and right in the middle of the strip. I figure most HP'ers are pragmatic folks who couldnt care less about staying in a bling hotel, but ya never know

2) what experts to invite
Schiff for sure!! Maybe someone from UNLV or LV area to talk about the local housing market which is about as crappy as it gets


3) Coordinator and committee nominees

I nominate Andrew Hac to organize the whole thing

4) schedule/forum topics
Local temparature report from attendees, wouldnt have to be big or anything, maybe just a short spiel on how bubbly your town became, how much it has popped, and what the future looks like

5) extracurricular activities
50% of Scavenger hunt!!!! via zillow, lexis, realtytrac etc. find homes for sale at 50% of peak prices.

Ex Realtor/Stripper grand prize:
To the HP'er who can find a stripper with the Realtor (R) tattoo or ID (or however they brand these morons) .....Free lapdances all night courtesy of the other HP'ers



6) costs/fees/sign-up
????

CalisDead said...

Keith,

Your idea of getting an exec suite at a hotel is the best possible choice, great idea!

Plus I always wanted to hang out in a expensive suite to see how the realtors and brokers lived life prior to 2007.

Anonymous said...

no mention in the main stream media about Ron Pauls amazing trouncing of Johc McCain and his slight loss to Romney in Nevada, nor his place in the Carolinas where McCain trounced Romney.. guess the foreign buyings of war materials treasonous bleedings of the U.S treasury and the people of the U.S by the militay industrial complex in foreign lands and its proponites like Pelosi"s husband and their muting bribings to the press, will enable the bankrupting of all moneys and freedoms of the brainwashed sheeple and the empowerment of the new worldists and their 21st century war machine and thecontinued profits of anti U.S industrialist governments

Anonymous said...

check out generationaldynamics.com for the bubble that broke the world////

Anonymous said...

Forum Topic:

I'd like to be sure the Real Estate professionals are there.

Esp. folks from HGTV. I'd like to pitch a new set series to them:

Series:
1. "Flip this Bushville"
2. "Home Arson for Dummies"
3. "Design on a Penny"
4. "McMansions That Even 30k Mill's Can Afford Now!"

Anyone else got ideas??

Anonymous said...

OK Keith...I checked out the Mandalay...I personally don't think that the suites are pimpin enough for the price although the "1500" looks ok as it is a 2BR for around 1400 for two nights. The vista suites seem to be gone and the media suite is only a 1BR.

Should we look for a penthouse condo somewhere that the owner is willing to rent for a week? Lemme check out CL and see what's up.

Anonymous said...

Hell, let's play smart here and go after sponsors to pay for our sh!t (i.e., book writers or publishers, hedge funds that bet on doom, etc). Let's make this convention turn into some type of non-profit to take the country back.

Count me in.

keith said...

If you're interested in being on an organizing committee, email me

I'd love to see this happen, but need a few HP'ers to pull it together

I got my hands full with a housing crash right now! (and being a bum in europe of course) although I'm here for ideas

Not a lot of work, but needs a leader or two if someone wants to step up

I think people mainly just want to hang out over drinks and laugh at realtors, right?

I do think we could get a couple of the bubble guys (thornberg, shiller, schiff etc) to make an appearance, maybe some media if we want it

Keep the ideas coming

Anonymous said...

Another idea about where to hold it...

If i recall, Vegas has some big condo towers...

http://www.lasvegasluxuryhomes.com/

Lets find one on the strip with a desperate FB and rent it for the week!!!! They will probably take any dime we offer

christiangustafson said...

Oh damn, I wish I could join you for this one, Keith. Couple of problems here. I can't stand Las Vegas, hate it hate it hate it, and I'll have a 2nd kid out and about to raise.

So I have no business joining a junket like this. Bummer.

If you're ever in Seattle ... beers are on me ... I was fortunate to meet Casey Serin when he came through.

Shakster said...

I Got the tin Hatz!
Christiangustafson-Ah man -congrats on the new one.If it happens I'll put a dollar on Hard8 for ya.
Mammoth ? what about you?
The gold plating on the tin hatz will last a lifetime.

Paul E. Math said...

1) I agree that we should keep this simple - the general theme is just hanging out, having beers and talking real estate bubble, econ, whatever.

2) I like the idea of having a series of local reviews of real estate markets, on a volunteer basis. Just basic average incomes, average rents, average home prices, maybe a graph or 2, whatever you can come up with. State where average home prices should be and why.

3) I don't really care what hotel - I just suggested mandalay and luxor because those are the only 2 I know.

4) The invitation should be extended to the friendly bubble sites like housingdoom, itulip, bostonbubble, patrick.net, etc.

5) Are we going to have to pay for a keynote speaker? Or would some companies/authors send a representative to deliver a talk based on the hope of acquiring clients or selling books (ie: europacific capital)? Even if we don't get Schiff himself, we might be able to get a good presentation from someone under Schiff's aegis.

alan parsons project said...

We need to obtain a sponsorship from Krispy Kreme (for the table that could showcase the GW bush award of stupidity display.)

YUM!!! FRESH AND YUMMY!!!!!!!!

Seriously.

FREE* KRISPY'S FOR ALL HPER'S!

*Included in the 3-day pass ticket price. Price: $45.00 (?)

100 people x $45 = $4,500 budget for a 3-day weekend rental, video/dvd screens, speakers and pizza and beverage. Pizza is low cost per person. Maybe extra chair rentals? Hmmm...


**Lodging and travel not included.

Anonymous said...

Send the Bloodhound gang a phony invite suggesting a truce. When they walk into the meeting we all pelt them with ARM brochures, HELOC cards and RAMEN packets.

Anonymous said...

We need a band!

Anonymous said...

We should contact Countrywide in Vegas and see if they want to rent us a few of their foreclosed condos for a weekend.

Anonymous said...

Make sure to invite former employees of Countrywide, Indymac, Merit Financial, Citibank, Merril Lynch, etc.

Have an advisory referendum for the White House as to whether or not Alan Greenspan should have his 'presidential medal of freedom' rescinded.

Invite Bob Sapp, just so he can beat the crap out of Greg Swann-dive if he shows.

Inaugural Wall of Shame nominees: like the Razzies, but for standouts in the REIC fiasco. Initial class: Greenspan, Mozillo, Chuck Prince, 'Suzanne', and Casey Serin.

Invite Cramer to speak, er, expound on his "They know nothing!" rant. This is keynote material!

Anonymous said...

PRESS RELEASES!

HP must breach the news flow & get into the public conscience. Press releases can do this. Plus, media credentials for every newspaper in the country.

devilswin99 said...

Keith,

Will there be cocaine and hookers there? In all seriousness, I am down for going. I think Bally's is a good place to go!

Casey Serin for keynote speaker?

Anonymous said...

Panic in the streets of London...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/jan/18/property.moneyinvestments
http://tinyurl.com/yuqq2u

Anonymous said...

I think this could be the start of something BIG. Let's get other bubble blogs to meet us there also, like Patrick' blog, Dr. Housing bubble, Flippers in Trouble, etc.

Let's organise this, get media coverage, and generate public noise, that way we'll get Shiller or maybe even Ron Paul, of all people to show up.

Then we'll do a march down Las Vegas boulevard, holding hands like they did with Martin Luther King protests, and we'll all march to the failed condos in Vegas, where Ron Paul will say a speech about FBers just walking away and saying "Free at Last, Free at Last, thank God almighty we are free at Last!!!"

Jayman in Mass said...

Keith Unrelated to Convention but the Arson is starting in Lawrence Ma today

Fire burns 14 buildings in Mass.; 1 hurt

Anonymous said...

IB trading system show the dow fell 450 points

area 51 said...

I'd be willing to contribute $50 if you can get someone like Shiller to give a keynote speech......

And I like the idea someone mentioned of housing bubble-wide community involvement. The chances of success would be greatly improved.

Misean said...

Yeah, I'd go. Haven't been to Vegas in like 5 mos. I recommend the Hard Rock.

Cheers,

more condos on fire said...

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Anonymous said...

In terms of geek/nerd content, this thing will make Star Trek conventions will downright cool.

Qweefie I am in just to see the spectacle. Fat, bald, middle-aged, divorced, paranoid men drinking beer and discussing how the world is out to get them....I think you could get a VH1 reality TV deal out of this.

Anonymous said...

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Kill two birds with one stone,


Have it in January during the adult film expo


Same degenerates!


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Dino said...

HPers:

You spend days, weeks, months and years bitching about Americanos this and Americanos that. You all boast about how different and special and anti-Americano you are. You boast about how you don't follow trends and are not sheeple. You are all independent thinkers, much smarter than the Americanos you so despise.

And yet where do you hold your convention? Las Vegas. The #1 Americano vacation destination. Only way you could be more mainsteam would be to have it at Disneyworld.

CalisDead said...

I would pay $100+, a typical show in Vegas is over $100 and this would be much more fun, especially if we tour and make low ball offers, lol, that sounds like so much fun.

CalisDead said...

LOL, a reality show out of this...

Your dang right, that would be a great show. I could actually star in that kind of show, this is my last hope for Hollywood. Let me in!

Anonymous said...

"Inaugural Wall of Shame nominees: like the Razzies, but for standouts in the REIC fiasco. Initial class: Greenspan, Mozillo, Chuck Prince, 'Suzanne', and Casey Serin."

What a great idea! HP gives out it's own awards!!!

Big_J said...

PTO requested and Approved.

Are significant others allowed?

cityvibe said...

Also check out the Platinum Hotel Suites on Flamingo. I had my 10 year company party in Vegas and put all my employees up there. They loved it, it's a boutique type hotel with no casino a block from the strip. One of those little known secrets. Just a tip from someone who knows the city well.................

Anonymous said...

Press releases? Are you kidding?

BREAKING NEWS! A bunch of regular people who comment on a blog are meeting up in a tourist trap of a city! They might crank call a realtor or make fun of the Fed chairman! News event of the century!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Press releases? Are you kidding?

BREAKING NEWS! A bunch of regular people who comment on a blog are meeting up in a tourist trap of a city! They might crank call a realtor or make fun of the Fed chairman! News event of the century!

January 21, 2008 10:27 PM


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Don't forget "come up with 9/11 conspiracies, blame the jews for all the world's ills and trade secrets on avoiding male pattern baldness".

Mammoth said...

[Phone call to label printer]
“Good afternoon, I’d like to order some name tags for a convention.”

“Do you have a list of names, sir?”

“Of course. Let’s have one for ‘Stuck in South PA,’ one for ‘Borkafatty’, one for ‘Edgar,’ one for ‘Keith,’ and three thousand for ‘anonymous.’”

“To whom should I make the bill out to, sir?”

“Please just send it to Greg Swann.”

CalisDead said...

"Anonymous said...
Press releases? Are you kidding?"

Who is this idiot and coward? At least if your going to be an attacker show your face, bouy.

Anonymous said...

As much as i hate Vegas...

it probably should be there because:

1. inbound flights for cheap from most major metros
2. cheap hotels
3. ex-realtor strippers
4. one of the top 5 crashing housing markets
5. its one of the few places where you can drink in the streets

Anonymous said...

Definately an HP awards show

Press releases about The Wall of Shame inductees!

LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Iceman says,


Keith count me in, The Inland Empire has to be represented.

Contact Bens bubble blog, The Great Depression 2006, M-L Implode,
and Mish.

Possible guest speakers, Schiff, Panzer, Zandi, Harry S Dent, Paul, and Addison

Admission: 1 Silver Coin

Maybe we can have a roast C.C. style.

We can all just go off, no holds barred on Bernanke, Bush, Greenspan, PPPPaulson, and the rest of the crime family.

Ill bring pictures, stats, and graphs of the Inland Empire.

Maybe we can have a board to post everyones info.


Maybe DOPES and BLOWFLY can make a special appearance!!!!

Anonymous said...

increase in military activity tonight. boys what is going on? do not do this thing fellas. do not do it. refuse to do it please for the sake of humanity. do not do this thing you are being told to do.....pray for america, pray for the world, pray that level heads will prevail....

Anonymous said...

where is the chicken ranch?

Anonymous said...

There can't be a better place than Las Vegas. It is the epicenter of the stucco crapbox implosion and the heart of everything that is wrong with American popular culture. Bring it.

Anonymous said...

ok... suggest new orleans.

vegas sucks. cliche. sucks

HPers can describe why New Orleans.... katrina.. corrupt... etc

New Orleans rocks. Jazz. Franch Quarter. Drinking. The South.

Deal with it.

Anonymous said...

PLANET OF THE APES I TELL YA!


PLANET OF THE APES!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Seattle!

Why go somewhere like Vegas or Phoenix? That's like kicking a horse when it's down. It would be more fun to go on a Seattle Condo "lowball tour".

Being that Seattle has been the "proudest" city with regards to the bubble maybe HP can knock it off it's pedestal.

I hear Paul Allen has a pretty nice hotel there with lots of empty condos above it.

LauraVella said...

Hey Keith!

I tried to send an email to you, but the script is blocked on my computer.

I want to help with planning our HP conference, let me know who to contact.

Anonymous said...

Denver Co. during DNC convention or Calab. CA. in the CFC office.

Anonymous said...

You should rent a van and have a real estate open house tour of the area.

Anonymous said...

To the battlements you mangy mutz!

This is capitalisms last stand -- it fails now and everything gets nationalized. No more private equity.

Times they are a changin'.

Anonymous said...

How about an official burbon: "Makers Mark SIV"?

The loaded-term &tasty brand name exists. I'm having one now --waiting 9:301 EST 1/22/08!

Anonymous said...

BREAKING NEWS! A bunch of regular people who comment on a blog
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Blogging is the future now! Blogging is setting the trends, shaping ideas. We are not a major newspaper or television, but those are only good for old timers or people who like to listen to bullshit.

If you want the truth or if you just want to see how information is from your own perspective, then you go to blogging.

The fact that we're "regular" people is what makes it special. We're not politcal hacks with an axe to grind or mainstream media bullshitters that lead the public astray.

And we are fundamentally a grassroots movement, protected by the first amendment. Thank God we still have that in the US.

Anonymous said...

Only way you could be more mainsteam would be to have it at Disneyworld.
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Yes, and we're all going on the Pirates of the Caribbean. We plan on getting off the boat half way through and seize the Spanish forte. Then we'll hob nob with the pirate robots and drink the water from the pirate stream. (This has always been a dream of mine (lol)).

Anonymous said...

We need to bring Casey.

Anonymous said...

Let's bring together other blogs like OC Renter's. But I'm not sure about those snobs at Ben's blog, including himself.

Anonymous said...

Damn Virgin America doesn't fly from here to Vegas. I love their First Class.

Anonymous said...

We need to get a travel agency involved if the number of participants is large enough. The travel agency can organize the entire thing for a huge discount, including getting better hotel rates and free goodies (i.e, shows, buffet, rides, coupons, etc).

happy homeowner in the stix said...

I know this is pretty rich for me to suggest this, since I ain't gonna be there (toddlers and Vegas don't mix)....

But if you guys have an awards show, what about naming the trophies "Suzannes"? (Hollyweird has the Oscars, Broadway has the Tonys, I forget who has the Emmys....)

Anonymous said...

Hey HP'ers, ignore all the attacks here, and don't even reply to them. The trolls are afraid or jealous. Typical Zionists and REIC racks. So let them bitch about it while we organize the HP Drunkfest 1.0!

BananaRepublicrat said...

Anyone else got ideas??
*****
5. My House Is Worth What? :-(
6. Food Hunters
7. Designed to Sell for Much Less than I Initially Paid
8. Scrap This House
9. What You Get for the Jar of Hoarded Gold Coins You Buried in the Backyard
10. Dollar Splash!
11. Substanance Gardening by the Tiny Three-Foot-Wide Strip of Yard Surrounding Your 4,000 Square Foot Crapbox
12. Sweat It, Seriously

-see you in Vegas (if it's still there)

Mammoth said...

Hey Shakster I am in!

Danny Z said...

KEITH

TRY THIS FUND - MERKX

Peter S likes it -

http://www.europac.net/investment_merk_hard_currency.asp

Anonymous said...

May I suggest Tinfoilhatville, Planet Okkliki as a venue?

CalisDead said...

We definitely need a blow up doll dressed an a C21 suite and names Suzanne's. Could be our mascot.

I'm in for this convention! Anything I can do count me in for support.

Anonymous said...

I suggest a city like Detroit or other former manufacturing city- so everyone can see firsthand what the entire nation is going to look like in a few short years.

Blowfly said...

Monte Carlo is cheapest on the strip, $60/night during certain months.
Oh yes you f*cking shit for brains renting retards and bean eating IT employees. I think a convention in Las Vegas is a most excellent idea. There is a place much better and "cheaper" than the Monte Carlo. May I suggest the “choice” venue for such a convention where you can meet and commiserate with your fellow imbecile morons. King's Row Trailer Park Inc at 3660 Boulder Highway in Las Vegas boasts all the inconveniences cherished by renters and homeless idiots. Trailer trash whores, heavily armed pimps and drug dealers, bag ladies and rag men all living on pennies on the dollar. They will be welcoming you with a spam and potato soup and a pair of warm but used socks. Don’t complain to me if you find some filthy underwear in your welcoming package too. Now continue to pick your nose you brain amputated piece of shit renter.

LauraVella said...

Anon said:"We need to get a travel agency involved if the number of participants is large enough. The travel agency can organize the entire thing for a huge discount, including getting better hotel rates and free goodies (i.e, shows, buffet, rides, coupons, etc)."

Exactly. We need to start a list with names. How should we do this? I want to get it started, anyone have any connections with any travel agency?

Anyone else want to partner up with me? I dont think I'll be able to tackle it alone.

And by the way- to all the Lady HP'ers... make an effort to attend in Vegas. I dont want to be the only one!

CalisDead said...

Maybe we should have security too, judging from mentally ill people like Blowfly who is probably losing their a** to debt.

The more I think about how I have rented for the last 5 years and how I see most everyone I know who owns in serious trouble, the more I see I was right.

Of course home debtors and real estate agents were not so right and now they should be considered armed and dangerous. If anyone is confronted by one of these physcho's the procedure should be the following:

- Smile, do not move.
- Nod to everything they say.
- DO NOT admit you are, or ever have rented.
- Act stupid and weak and indicate you wish to buy a home asap.
- The assailant will become calm, almost normal.
- This is your window of opportunity - RUUUUUUNNNNNN

keith said...

LV - you can get my email in my profile..

So you're down to be one of the coordinators - who else wants to step up? Probably needs 3 or 4

Send me an email if you do

Anonymous said...

No Vegas..


EAST ST LOUIS!!!!!!!!!!

William said...

You guys have to check this out: The New Bush Currency!

http://blip.tv/file/520347

Anonymous said...

Wall of shame for corrupt members of the REIC!!!!

NEW POSTER BOY said...

Keith!

Here is the Casey Serin of the equities bubble!!!


http://highprobability.blogspot.com/

edd said...
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Anonymous said...

Blogger LauraVella said...

Anon said:"We need to get a travel agency involved if the number of participants is large enough. The travel agency can organize the entire thing for a huge discount, including getting better hotel rates and free goodies (i.e, shows, buffet, rides, coupons, etc)."

Exactly. We need to start a list with names. How should we do this? I want to get it started, anyone have any connections with any travel agency?

Anyone else want to partner up with me? I dont think I'll be able to tackle it alone.

And by the way- to all the Lady HP'ers... make an effort to attend in Vegas. I dont want to be the only one!

January 22, 2008 4:38 PM<<

that's right. if you are the only one, we won't have anyone else to pick on...

Anonymous said...

Hey, East St. Louis would be perfect!

Anonymous said...

I hope Honika will be there.

CalisDead said...

I cant wait to meet Princess Mononoke at the HP convention :) I just hope she isnt really a fat balding middle aged paranoid man who drinks beer and bitches about how the world is out to get 'em - like the rest of us are.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, East St. Louis would be perfect!

January 22, 2008 8:04 PM<<

hp'ers don't like nappy headed hoes...

Blowfly said...

If you asinine moronic imbecile 1BR shit hole renters really intend to go through with this retarded plan to hold a convention amongst yourselves, then you surely need to have world class entertainment. While I usually don't associate with your kind of scum, I do however believe that money doesn't stink. You can book my mind bending performances via my website unless of course you're too dumb to use Google.

Anonymous said...

Okay, so once you have the convention, and everyone toasts each other for being right and smarter than anyone else in America, and then the economy collapses and 10% of America is unemployed, what will the new topic be here?

Done housing, done Bernanke, done Ron Paul, done Peter Schiff, done the ostrich, done DOPES, done gold...

Employment Panic? Foodstamp Panic?
Popcorn Panic? Gloaters R Us?

CalisDead said...

In response to people who think HP'ers are gloating and love bad news and pain, let me express more how I see myself and other HP'ers.

I need to refer to the bible, where the Hebrews gathered up a bunch of evil doing witches at the top of a cliff. The righteous Hebrews mocked, laughed at, and humiliated the witches one at a time, then threw each off the cliff till their death. I believe it was an all day fest. Sometimes I look to the sky and ponder if HP really mean Hebrew Payback.

guy n. cognito said...

i'm a "maybe" b/c my wife calls the shots- hey, at least i'm honest.

but if this idea can spread to the other sites, then it'll blow up. definitely get Schiff. he's our people.

Honica Jewinski said...

Oy vey-gas...... I can't think of a better location.

I'm available to speak if there's an interest.

Anonymous said...

East Saint Louis rocks!

Anonymous said...

I enjoy the HP site. But when I go to Vegas the last thing I want to think about is our tanking economy/housing market/country. Make sure to post some good pics.

keith said...

I think you are all gonna love this one..

What do you think about getting one of the massive suites at the Palms - there's one that's 10,000 sq. feet and has a basketball court

http://www.palms.com/suites_villas_3.php

Check 'em out. I don't know the price, but if we had 50 or so people chipping in $100 or $200 each for admission, we could probably swing it easy, any leftover goes towards drinks and food and limos (to tour the condos and new home developments)

Better than renting our some boring conference room

Now THIS would get me coming back from Europe

Someone got the time call the Palms and find out what the deal is

We've got 70 definites or probably's so far in the HP poll. We could max the conference out to the first XX (depends on how much the suite is) first come first serve

If we want speakers like Schiff to come, we could offer to put him up in the suite - wonder how many bedrooms they have. Yes, I get first dibbs (come on - I deserve it, no?)

And no, borkafatty is NOT sharing my room

Anonymous said...

Hotel meeting rooms do suck

HP party in the suite oh yea!

CalisDead said...

Peter Schiff is cool but he needs to pay for his own dang room. I guarantee he will primarily promote his own services and book over giving useful data to us peasants. Most of these speakers advertise as part of their speaking and assume their own expenses.

beerwineliquor said...

ya ya ya, who will step forward and lead.
I love Sin City, and will come out to enjoy the festivities, but only 'cause I love the action - the same reason I still own 2 houses that I could rent out for positive cash flow - this week anyway... Good thing I don't need to rent them out just yet.
I will probably get a "crash" room at some dive in the middle of the strip like Hooters/tropicana, but will be staying w/ some local friends for most of the time if possible(I never impose unless invited).
As for the "heat" comments - I was out there last August, and it was a welcome relief for me because of the lack of humidity(I'm currently in FL). So as the date approaches, I will be sure to publish my "hold-em" schedule. Anytime not blocked out for poker, I will be available to party, and will not mind dropping/donating some cash to anyone who gets a nice suite to hold "get-togethers". I've been lurking here for over a year, and appreciate much of the advice given - especially from the "tinfoil hats". It would be a pleasure to meet many of you - though I would almost worry about all the REIC who would try to ruin our good times.
Well, back to drinkin'
-beerwineliquor

beerwineliquor said...

Just saw the post 'bout the Palms - I'm in. I won't be around for much of it(I have far better things to do in vegas), but will definitely donate some cash to the "cause". See you all there.

Anonymous said...

CalisDead said...

In response to people who think HP'ers are gloating and love bad news and pain, let me express more how I see myself and other HP'ers....

I need to refer to the bible, where the HP'ers gathered up a bunch of evil doing RealtyWhores at the top of a cliff. The righteous HP'ers mocked, laughed at, and humiliated the RealtyWhores one at a time, then threw each off the cliff till their death. I believe it was an all day fest. Sometimes I look to the sky and ponder if HP really mean Hebrew Payback.

Yes, now I understand what HP really means. Yea, you just keep readin that bible CalisDead.

Room with a cliff anyone?

Shakster said...

Hey ,Two Remax dudes in Bakersfield proclaimed a bottom this morning on 1230AM Radio.
Should we invite them?
If they're right(no chance) they can gloat,if they're wrong we can have them go full 180 on the radio.OK,lame idea.How much beer we gonna need?
BTW where is FMW lately?

Illegals Everywhere said...

Alright Honica will be there.

Anonymous said...

Everyone to east st louis!

That town hums!

Capitalist Pig said...

I see that blowfly is at it again doing what he\she does best, blowing....

Anonymous said...

Hey blowfly, why do you have to come here to do your blowing?

Why don't you go get your rocks off at some gloryhole instead?

Anonymous said...

Clearly the Republicans are looking at payback time for the Democrats for leaving office with a 9/11 terrorist attack in their lap.

So for the democrats, the republicans will be serving up the worst recession and maybe depression, ever to swallow the global economies.

Not only will the democrats not be able to legislate newly created social programs to rescue folks from their homes, with a few more interest rate cuts the Republicans will insure the democrats will have to begin paying back all the money borrowed by the Republicans and spent over 8 years.

Republicans should be careful what they vote for. They may get it!

CanadianRenter said...

I'm in like a dirty shirt, just name the time and place!

extracurricular lap dances said...

Can we just hand over our $800 checks to cover all expenses?

Anonymous said...

EAST SAINT LOUIS!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

bruce norris from river side county- a real estate investor who called the crash in '04 or 05....
and jay butler from ASU.. profesor for real estate studies (5 hour drive for him)

keith said...

Well I checked out the suites at the Palms to hold our "meetings" and party and they're $5000 to $15000 a night

Still, wouldn't have to get a conference room if we did it that way.

Assume we could get them down to $4000 a night for 2 nights, that's $8g plus $4g for food and booze that's $12g for 100 people (max room size) then $120 each. Might be underestimating total costs, especially if we need limos to the condos or security or taxes etc, but that's a start

So, the question is would you pay $150 to $200 for the event? We'd have to max it out at 100 people with the room, with a few of those being comped to speak

Chime in

Anonymous said...

East Saint Louis would be nice and cheap!

Blowfly said...

So, the question is would you pay $150 to $200 for the event? We'd have to max it out at 100 people with the room, with a few of those being comped to speak I’d like to give you some money but I only use credit cards. Where I live paying with cash means that you’re either a drug dealer, pimp or homeless. None of your shit for brains retarded renters are going to cough up $150 or $200 for this moronic event that will happen as soon as hell freezes over. After reading your drivel for the past 12 months I have come to the conclusion that all of your commentators are mentally sick asinine imbeciles with a third grade education and Microsoft certification which is worth, let me guess, as much as toilet paper. I just hope that in the impending recession all your lousy paying jobs are going to be outsourced to Vietnam and that’s when I shall see you in front of the homeless shelter banging on your can collecting spare change. I have it on the highest authority that each and every bum under the causeway is 100% debt free, just like you, you f*cked up cock roach chasing 1BR shit-hole dweller.

fraud_is_everywhere said...

I looked up my childhood home the other day.

It is located in DC burbs; an area that used to be white exurbia but is now little Africa.

Sold for 150K (from my folks to my brother) back in 1997, 450K (from my brother to an outside buyer) in 2006.

I see (according to the tax records) it sold for 2.2 MILLION dollars in June 2007.
The thing is the lady who bought it sold it to some shell company; I assume she owns the company. So, this is legal. This is okay. This didn't register as fraud with anyone. Someone likely loaned her 2.2M because I don't think she is wealthy. So she can claim the company is bankrupt and pocket 2.2 million or... depreciate it and never pay corporate taxes again.

If this is just one house I looked at, imagine how many more are like this. America the fraudelent.

Anonymous said...

The Chicago Sun-Times wins headline of the day:

http://tiny.cc/F9QKu

Is the MSM getting on the schadenfreude bandwagon? Perhaps a HPer in the newsroom?

Stuck in So Pa said...

Anonymous said...
I suggest a city like Detroit or other former manufacturing city- so everyone can see firsthand what the entire nation is going to look like in a few short years.

January 22, 2008 3:41 PM
============================
THAT would be a real eye opener. Our car club held it's yearly national meet in Pontiac, Michigan and a bunch of us drove over to downtown Detroit to see the gigantic old auto factories, abandoned, unused, but still standing.
The devastation is mind blowing. I truly believe that this is what America's cities will come to and it’s scary as HELL! Mile after mile of burned out, boarded up, vandalized buildings, street after street of desolation and despair, no hope, no future, nothing!

This quick link will show you what the future looks like:

http://tinyurl.com/2zon79

or just Google: Urban decay Detroit.

On a lighter note, as seen from space, Detroit is probably the greenest city in America, as nature is reclaiming vast sections.
The city can't afford to tear down all the buildings, but Mother Nature will eventually do it for free.

W.C. Varones said...

Speaking of Las Vegas, my buddy Old Zeke has a telling tale from the Vegas real estate market.

emmy said...

Better documentation of true housing abandonment and neglect is on detroitblog.org. The guy has done some great photos chronicling what has happened there, like the restoration of the urban prairie, etc. You can hardly believe that is an American city. You have to go back a year or so in his archives, because I think he got too depressed and starting highlighting local businesses.

Anonymous said...

Blowfly said...
If you asinine moronic imbecile 1BR shit hole renters really intend to go through with this retarded plan to hold a convention amongst yourselves, then you surely need to have world class entertainment. While I usually don't associate with your kind of scum, I do however believe that money doesn't stink. You can book my mind bending performances via my website unless of course you're too dumb to use Google.

January 22, 2008 9:30 PM



Perhaps you can entertain us with a donkey show, and taking a dick up the ass, after all I think you like it the way the DOW has been performing. Oh, I think you missed a spot on the corner of your mouth... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ramfrommaine said...

Anonymous said...
I suggest a city like Detroit or other former manufacturing city- so everyone can see firsthand what the entire nation is going to look like in a few short years.

Stuck in So Pa said...
The devastation is mind blowing. I truly believe that this is what America's cities will come to and it’s scary as HELL! Mile after mile of burned out, boarded up, vandalized buildings, street after street of desolation and despair, no hope, no future, nothing.

emmy said...
Better documentation of true housing abandonment and neglect is on detroitblog.org. The guy has done some great photos chronicling what has happened there, like the restoration of the urban prairie, etc. You can hardly believe that is an American city


OMG. This was/is awful. And to think that cities like Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh and others were what built this country.Now they are rotting corpses with no one to bury them.

We are truely doomed.

Anonymous said...

IF YOU BRING MOMS, BETTER WATCH THE CASH..............GOTTA HAVE SOMETHING SOMEDAY>..........

Anonymous said...

THEY IMPLODED THE FRONTIER, A NICER THING COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED TO A RUDER BUNCH OF PEOPLE

Anonymous said...

DID THEY REPLACE THE DESERT INN..HOWARD THE INDUSTRIAL BARON KING HUGHE"S HOTEL RESIDENCE..........CHECK OUT THE RIO, GOLDEN NUGGET, CEASARS PALACE, DAYS INN???????????????/

Anonymous said...

DRINK IN THE STREETS??/ DID NOT KNOW THAT..............

Anonymous said...

DRUNK ON THE STREETS OF THE STRIP AFTER GETTING THE FREEBIE BUS FROM THE AIRPORT SURROUNDED BY HOTEL/MOTELS AT ALL PRICES FROM 35 BUCKS AND 5 BUCK ALL YOU CAN EATS...........HEAVEN, BEEN TO THEM ALL..................

Anonymous said...

LOOK FOR GOLD OUT PAST THE BOULDER HIGHWAY AND SELL IT TO SUCKERS

Anonymous said...

HMMMMM THEY ARE REROUTING TRAFFIC???????????????????/

Shakster said...

Well I checked out the suites at the Palms to hold our "meetings" and party and they're $5000 to $15000 a night

Still, wouldn't have to get a conference room if we did it that way.

Assume we could get them down to $4000 a night for 2 nights, that's $8g plus $4g for food and booze that's $12g for 100 people (max room size) then $120 each. Might be underestimating total costs, especially if we need limos to the condos or security or taxes etc, but that's a start

So, the question is would you pay $150 to $200 for the event? We'd have to max it out at 100 people with the room, with a few of those being comped to speak

Chime in

January 23, 2008 12:35 PM
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I'm there dude.
--------------------------
Blowfly,get used to being bitter,and wuddaya have against bums?Sheesh.
Shakster

Anonymous said...

MIGHT PAY A FEW BUCKS TO READ THE REMOVED BY AUTHOR POSTS?????????????? WHAT ABOUT BORKAFATTY

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Are you going to warn the HPers from outside the area just how deadly hot Las Vegas is in July? I was there for the 4th of July last year. I remember news stories of people dying from the heat when the electricity (read: air conditioning) went out for a large block of homes.

January 20, 2008 5:55 PM<<<<


ssshhhh....but don't tell them that. remember. its a dry heat...ha ha ha ...

Anonymous said...

EAST

SAINT

LOUIS

!!!!!!

RooRoo said...

Bush and Congress may use your tax dollars to bail out the builders and banks via the "stimulus package".

Didn't Hannity just say that this was a free market society? LOL. Privitize the gains, socialize the losses!

http://tinyurl.com/2nq2uw

Builders, Banks Could Get Tax Break
Wednesday January 23, 4:54 pm ET
By Marcy Gordon, AP Business Writer
Banks, Homebuilders, Others Could Get Fattened Tax Refunds Under Stimulus-Plan Provision

WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. homebuilders, lenders and other struggling companies could receive hefty one-time tax refunds this year and next under a provision of the economic stimulus plan percolating in Washington.

Anonymous said...

Hey-

East St. Louis is a GREAT idea!

- centralized
- cheap
- not as hot as Vegas

OC Slacker from 05 Housing Loot said...

NAH SCREW VEGAS in July. it's really hot there and in Vegas people will lose focus on the cause. I think it should be held in the epicenter of the housing bubble ORANGE COUNTY How about Newport beach or Huntington beach for a base. Or san diego Mission or pacific beach. Rent something on the sand, bring your surfboards, beachcruisers, theres plenty of hotties too everywhere in the summer and they dont require a tip. Much nicer on the beach then in Vegas. Then for all those not from Socal you can easily travel to some of the most inflated shithole areas, like most of inland empire, LA, inland OC, san diego, santa ana, temecula and see some real carnage.bring your camcorders for all those 4 sale signs you'll see.

Anonymous said...

Vegas Baby !! I'm there.

Anonymous said...

hannity seems to have changed his political leanings ...what with Romneys buying of his radio channel......hahahaha ahole

Anonymous said...

did nobody see that martian humanoids pictures....a trillion acre aire
???????????????????/ who eats rabbit sized martian landers????????????????/

Keyser Soze said...

I'll try to make it! I'll even be the keynote speaker....following will be my entire speech:
"Keith and HP were right.
Everyone else...go suck eggs. Which way to the closest sports book?"

BubbleGirl said...

How about the trolls showing up? They are desparate people and might go postal on us...I would love to go just to meet kindred spirits and my husband can finally get to see Las Vegas and play some Texas Hold 'em.

Anonymous said...

dont get you people..there is a new available victim just fotographed and called martian walking down hillside humanoid, with a whole planet ready to be looted away from, and your diddling with what.........did nobody see those upclose pictures?????? thought they were from NASA...the local newspeople? made a yeti joke and flipped right past it??? tho the 'humanoid seemed not hairy????

keith said...

I put a call into the Palms and said we'd be interested in a suite, and they're getting back to me with the rate. Hope to get it for a steal if we can also do a block of rooms

I'll let you know what they say

Also, I'm behind on email but thanks for everyone who volunteered to help - hold tight and anyone else get your name in now, need 3 or 4 people to pull it together

Oh, one rule I'm gonna set. First rule of Fight Club is don't talk about Fight Club. So I wouldn't plan on any PR or media.

Uncle Harry Lime said...

July 13th is my Birthday and I think it should called Loserpalooza '08, Bubbletopia '08 or how about The Greenspamonator - any way of having They Might Be Giants? Also, why not contact the hotel to help promote it ... maybe The Hard Rock perhaps ... I'm in
(Harry Lime - hint Luna Park, Austria)

Briar said...

How about PaniCon?

Look at the better hotels on Fremont Street. Golden Nugget, California, Main Street Station. They tend to be much less expensive and everything is easy walking.

I go to vegas once or twice every month if I can help with info gathering.

Anonymous said...

Do we all get tin-foil hats?

bay400 said...

Fraud_is_everywhere--

You have to tell me where that house is--I live in the DC area and consider myself an expert on the out burbs!

Anonymous said...

we could call it


the black swan social club

Blowfly said...

UPDATE 1/24 - This event needs a proper name. Have at it.

Call it the HOMELESS AND SHIT-HOLE RENTERS ANUAL PANHANDLING CONVENTION.

It is very hard to believe that you are wasting each others collective time talking about an event that will surely never take place. In order to rent a hotel suite you need a credit card with a generous line of credit. It would be news to me that any of you retarded imbeciles would qualify for a credit card, leave alone my Black American Express card. Vegas hotels, not even the cheaper ones, don't cater to scumbag morons who pay with nickels, dimes and quarters. My advice to all of you half-witted, idiotic, inane, ludicrous and witless shit-hole trailer-trash renters. Abandon the mind masturbation immediately and get yourself a f*cking FICO score above 200!

Anonymous said...

Names:
1. The Bailout Bash
2. Stick it to Joe (Sixpack)
3. Hey - the other guy will pay

Logo:
A bucket to receive bailout cash.

Invitees:
1. Atty. Gens. who are suing mortgage/wall st. firms
2. Leaders of local groups suing realtors/mortgage brokers
3. Top guys ( including
FBI ) who are chasing mortgage fraud

Anonymous said...

Artwork:
Grab one of those Escher prints with the wild architecture illusions and put Wall St. names on the parts...

Anonymous said...

you da man blowfly, you do man...

Anonymous said...

I laughed until I cried at Blowfly's post.

"mind mastubation" hahaha - priceless!

Anonymous said...

Still wanna go to monte carlo?

i hear its ON FIRE. literally

Anonymous said...

How come I get the feeling Blowflake responds to his own posts.

LauraVella said...

The monte Carlo in Vegas is on fire. The four top floors have burned and they have evacuated the guests to other hotels. Yahoo news has live footage.

(Jokingly) Maybe we could get a better rate come July?!

Anonymous said...

blowfly can't spell for sh*t.

and now he's come clean at least about masturbating on keith's blog... obviously the most sex he's had- ever. (gettin' some from your sister doesn't count blo...)

Anonymous said...

Names:
1. Stimulate me, baybee...
2. Just one more time...
3. Gimme all you got...

Anonymous said...

as you can tell by the polls taken, we are starting to think more and more alike. today for instance, most of us now realize we are in the fear part of this panic. interesting.

Anonymous said...

I do not know what to name it but we need t shirts that say "The Housing Market Crashed and all I got was this stupid T shirt"

Burn Baby Burn

ps

We should not stay at the Monte Carlo

Anonymous said...

The power of housingpanic - we even THINK of staying at the Monte Carlo and 4 hours later it gets wiped out of business...

Let me know where we're going to gather so I can short their stock...

Anonymous said...

Crash-A-Palooza?

PanicStock?

BurningHouse?

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGkrNJ19DSU


rick santelli tells cramer what's it all about.....

keith said...

OK kids, here's the deal...

I'm not gonna be able to work on this HP PANICcon event this year - just too many miles away and just too lazy and busy to put together a conference

Cool idea though and who knows, maybe down the road

Maybe some of the other US-based bubble bloggers want to get something going? BubbleCon'08? I'll send my contacts a note with the idea, do the same for the other bubble blogs you post to.

Use this thread to kick things around or even put together a get together if you want

Anonymous said...

http://activerain.com/blogsview/342904/Has-The-Market-Bottomed

I recently heard of a Real Estate Office that had a big sign outside on its front window that simply said “Smart People Are Buying Real Estate Now”. That pretty much says it all.

Here is a great question for any potential buyer out there. Would you rather buy now and have prices go down another 5% before beginning to recover or wait and buy when you have missed the bottom and prices are already on their way back up?

We must understand that the moment we feel we are at the bottom, we will be. When investors think the best deals are now, they will be. However, when we listen to those who keep stating that we are not there yet and believe them, we will make them right.

Action fixes everything. So, if you have buyers who still feel like the market has lower to go, have them tell you how much lower they think it will go and then “Write An Offer” using that number. Don’t wait another minute. Action creates demand and demand creates the upturn we are all waiting for. It will not be magic, but action that begins the recovery.
Let me state a simple fact. When America believes we are at the bottom, we will at that very moment be at the bottom. Because when America believes we are at the bottom and this is the best deal they will receive, they will act. Actions create demand and demand will create an upturn in the industry.

As long as we pay closer attention to the media than we do our own common sense, we will not be at the bottom. The media preaches that we are not at the bottom and when we listen, we confirm that. We keep waiting, and that keeps the perpetuation of the downturn in motion.

Take action before the end of this day!

Anonymous said...

I guess the word got out we might stay of the Monte Carlo! Too bad we called it off!

Bostongrrl said...

I think we should talk about a class action law suit:

(This story was the best thing that happened to me all week, heck, all month)

------------
Home buyer who overpaid sues real estate agent
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22840771/

Anonymous said...

IF IT IS TRUE THAT THE "ORDER" OF ADNEOSINE, THYMOSINE, GUANOSINE AND CYTOCYINE SAYS YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE, YOU WERE WHAT YOU WERE AND WHAT EVER YOU WILL BE AND A OF THE AGING IS THE FADING AND WEAKENING OF THE ORDER OF THE ACGT, AGTC AGCTCCGTTCAAGCTGACC.............STRENGTHENING THE "ORDER PERHAPS MAGNETICLY MAY BE YOU FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH AND MULTIPLE DISEASE REVERSAL CAPABILITY. IS THIS SIMPLICITY??????????????????/

Anonymous said...

SO WHAT OF THE RNA? WILL COMPLEXITY HINDER PROCESSESSES

Anonymous said...

the city of the cellular "order" recharge is the capital city............

Anonymous said...

why do the MRI's seem to screw up the unused ankle?

Anonymous said...

what nobody for the new york new york

Anonymous said...

JOHN BOGLE GETS IT, AND CALLS IT LIKE IT IS!!!

I Just watched a 30 minute interview Bill Moyers did with Vanguard Founder John Bogle. He gets it, he says the the U.S. Financial Industry has become too large, too self interested, and too greedy. As Bogle puts it "It's fundamentally a blight on our society. "

Video:
http://tinyurl.com/3872nm
Transcript:
http://tinyurl.com/26yqwg

I could quote the whole interview, his comments are so right to the point, detailed, and spot on. A few high lights below. I wish every one in America could watch this. Basically, there is no way America will recover and survive until Wall Street gets Bogle's message.

"JOHN BOGLE: Banks, money managers, insurance companies, certainly annuity providers. They're all subtracting value from the economy. They have to subtract. To be clear on this now — I don't want to overstate it. To be clear on this, they have to subtract some value. But, the question is--

BILL MOYERS: What do you mean they subtract some value?

JOHN BOGLE:In other words, — you've go to pay somebody something to provide a service. It's just gotten totally out of hand. My estimate is that the financial sector takes $560 billion a year out of society. Five hundred and sixty billion.

BILL MOYERS: Where does it go?

JOHN BOGLE:It goes into the pockets of hedge fund managers, mutual fund managers, bankers, insurance companies. Let me give you this just one little example. If you didn't make a $129 million last year — I'm presuming that you didn't. You don't rank among the highest paid 25 hedge fund managers. A $129 million doesn't get you into the upper echelon."


"And it's no secret that this lack of savings in our economy — just about zero — is putting us at the mercy of foreign countries. China owns — I don't know the exact number — but, let me say about 25 percent of our federal debt. China does. What happens when they start to buy our corporations with all those extra dollars they've got there? I mean, I think that's very-- these problems are long term, are very much worrisome and very much intractable."

"I talk about the frightening similarities between the American economy in America, our nation, at the beginning of the 21st century and Rome all those centuries ago around the 4th century."

"BILL MOYERS: What does it say to you that people seem so indifferent to the fact that one tenth of one percent of the population owns most of the wealth in this country?

JOHN BOGLE:Well, in the long run, I believe it's unsustainable. You know, this is not going to be, you know, a country like France, say, at the time of before the French Revolution. You know, the lords of France, the kings had probably the same kind of distribution of wealth we had today come by through long generations. Their own castles. We have those castles in America now. But it says to me that, in this society, it's not sustainable. There will be an outcry."

CalisDead said...

Since Keith is bailing is another leader(s) going to step up? Not sure if we need a consortium of managers or a single leader, what do you all think?

Alice cook said...

Check this out; tent city in southern california; unbelievable….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmeHiFZUWtE


Alice Cook

Anonymous said...

Blogger keith said...

OK kids, here's the deal...

I'm not gonna be able to work on this HP PANICcon event this year - just too many miles away and just too lazy and busy to put together a conference

What you do here is invaluable. You and others here are giving a free education to people who would never have figured it out on their own.

Just don't bail. There is plenty of fun coming and you are needed. Real Estate was just the tip of the iceberg, the first flu symptom. Time to jump on the flu itself. Sovereign Wealth Funds, the bankrupt monolines, Fannie/Freddie corruption and the dissolution of our goverment. I get irritated with some of the "dopes", and I don't mean DOPES, but you pull together what is relevant in one place everyday and force us to think about what is happening to us.

Screw the party, just keep blogging.

Anonymous said...

MSM ALERT!! ALERT!!
60 MINS to feature a segment tonight at 7:00 EST on the mortgage and housing mess.

Should be a great source of several video clips.

-NOT DOPES

CalisDead said...

Keith, who is the "dopes".

And "screw the party", disappointing, and bad language too. Better off organizing a party with a more profession group. Strange strange man.

Anonymous said...

Blogger CalisDead said...

Keith, who is the "dopes".

And "screw the party", disappointing, and bad language too. Better off organizing a party with a more profession group. Strange strange man.

CalisDead also said...

We definitely need a blow up doll dressed an a C21 suite and names Suzanne's. Could be our mascot.

Yup we're gonna throw them RealtyWhores off the cliff like a good hebrew. I guess a blow up doll sacrifice is better than the real thing. Still would be considered a strange strange man that would do this.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

MSM ALERT!! ALERT!!
60 MINS to feature a segment tonight at 7:00 EST on the mortgage and housing mess.

Should be a great source of several video clips.

Well, what do you know. 60 Minutes did their job. Nothing there that HP'ers don't already know (and have known for lonnnng time, but was nice to see MSM actually tell Sheepleville how it really is in California and points east. The scene where they are sitting at the kitchen table and the woman says they are going to walk away from the mortgage because real estate just wasn't going up anymore was chilling. It isn't just Bushco that is not accountable for their bad decisions, its the whole f*ing U.S. of A. Can't wait to head south for Baja.

boston observer said...

In the Boston area we have the benefit of having a reputable, independent tracker of the local housing market in the form of the Warren Group which puts out monthly data on housing sales on the same day as the completely discredited and fraudulent MAR. From the latest data, released today, it appears that the deterioration of this market is accelerating. Sales down 23% and prices down over 10% Y/Y. Of course the MAR has "different numbers" and things look fine to them.

http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2008/01/mass_housing_ma.html

Anonymous said...

I am not a smart man and I can prove it. ;)

But the headlines today read, "U.S. stocks gain as market anticipates Fed rate cut"

Didn't they just drop the prime rate 3/4% last week when the market dropped like a rock?

This is just crazy.

Inflation is so high that I lost money on my CD's last year.

Lucky for me, King George II is coming on TV tonight to talk about the economy. If there is one man you can trust, it's George WMD Bush. He will lead the way.

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