Like RFK in '68, this changes everything. Hopefully he has really good security - the fox news crowd won't like this very much, but the rest of the world, and America, sure will
What a mess he'll have on his hands though. What a mess. But it's a start. Americans need hope again, after the disastrous administration we're currently suffering through.
Sen. Obama says he's weighing 2008 run
We need to steer clear of this poverty of ambition, where people want to drive
fancy cars and wear nice clothes and live in nice apartments but don't want to
work hard to accomplish these things. Everyone should try to realize their full
potential. - Barack Obama
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Amazing comment... if people take it to heart, this would be a better nation.
Sterling Newberry, over at tpmcafe.com, seemed to imply that people think flipping is a better investment than work...
If that be the case, what happens to our society?
An inexperienced minority with 1960's ideas. And probably a good con to boot.
Wow. Just what America needs.
Keep dreaming (as all true liberals do). Ain't never gonna happen.
Richard must be really educated. That's why he uses the word sight for site.
Yeah Hillary and whatshisname in 08.
Someone please shoot me!
VOTE FOR YOUR QUEEN TO SERVE ANOTHER LIFE TERM AND LEAVE US ALONE.
Amazing comment... if people take it to heart, this would be a better nation.
But why should people take it to heart, when they can get it for free???
As long as the handouts continue, some will never try to realize their full potential
The PAIN Train might actually do us all some good.
And Keith says he's not a liberal. Yea, right. Talk to the hand, Keith.
Oh, and something else. Republicans don't do polls, especially phone polls. So, when you and your liberal friends hear from your CNN and other left wing MSM, remember that the polls are inaccurate. Remember when the MSM all but declared Kerry the winner after 1 hour of voting. They were wrong then, they'll be wrong now.
Republicans will hold both house and senate in 2006. Get used to us.
has Obama ever 'worked' a day in his life? probably not. just like Clinton and just like the Kennedy's. full time talkers.
And Bush went them one better - he can't talk.
"has Obama ever 'worked' a day in his life?"
From Wikipedia:
After high school, Obama studied for two years at Occidental College, before transferring to Columbia College at Columbia University. There he majored in political science, with a specialization in international relations. Upon graduation, Obama worked for one year at Business International Corporation before moving to Chicago and taking a job with a non-profit organization helping local churches organize job training programs for residents of poor neighborhoods.[5]
Obama then left Chicago for three years to study law at Harvard University. He was elected president of the Harvard Law Review, graduating magna cum laude in 1991. Following law school Obama returned to Chicago, first supporting a voter registration drive, then working for the civil rights law firm Miner, Barnhill and Galland, and teaching constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.[6]
I mean, granted, he didn't use his father's money and connections to form multiple oil drilling partnerships, ran them all into bankruptcy, then used his father's money and connections to bail himself out.
But he did work a little.
RE: Has we done a stroke of real work in his life:
Take a guess - Here is the biographical excerpt from wikipedia.org
"After high school, Obama studied for two years at Occidental College, before transferring to Columbia College at Columbia University. There he majored in political science, with a specialization in international relations. Upon graduation, Obama worked for one year at Business International Corporation before moving to Chicago and taking a job with a non-profit organization helping local churches organize job training programs for residents of poor neighborhoods.[5]
Obama then left Chicago for three years to study law at Harvard University. He was elected president of the Harvard Law Review, graduating magna cum laude in 1991. Following law school Obama returned to Chicago, first supporting a voter registration drive, then working for the civil rights law firm Miner, Barnhill and Galland, and teaching constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.[6]
[edit] State legislature
In 1996, Obama was elected to the Illinois State Senate from the south side neighborhood of Hyde Park, in Chicago. He served as chairman of the Public Health and Welfare Committee when the Democrats regained control of the chamber.
Obama helped to author an Earned Income Tax Credit for the state that provided benefits to the working poor. He also worked for legislation that would cover residents who could not afford health insurance, and helped pass bills to increase funding for AIDS prevention and care programs.
His "public service" aka living off the public purse continues in the same vein after 1996..
As an earlier respondent said.. "Same old, Same old"
-K
A black man or woman president ?it'll never happen in my lifetime. The republicans gotta be sitting back and waiting for 2008 and hoping it's one of them.
sk,
yes, yes, Obama was working to provide job training for poor neignborhoods, and tax credits for non-wealthy workers...what a bastard.
if he had his priorities straight he would've been taking jobs away from poor neighborhoods, and providing tax credits for companies employing foreign workers, right?
Yeah, that Obama, more of the same.
You claim to want change for America. How could you be so stupid about politics? You think voting this guy into office will fix anything?
Admittedly, he has a nice smile. And he uses his tongue purtier than a 20 dollar whore.
But make no mistake: Obama is another lying Republicrat/Democan. I'm originally from Chicago. First-hand, I saw he's no different from all of the others. He's in the same pockets.
Same crap, different jerk with a nice smile.
We're not going to get change in America until dupes like you wake up and realize that the old "R" versus "D" games are just a trap by the powers that be.
Y'know, Ayn Rand once made an astute observation. You go to any dictatorships, and there are posters of the Great Leader™ all over the place. Whenever I see someone who gets by on charisma and a cult of personality, I get nervous.
When people talk about how unpolished George Bush is, I consider it a good thing. Polish can cover an awful lot of evil. Bush makes his share of mistakes, but nobody's ever going to let them slide because he's got a glib tongue and a winning smile.
That's a good thing.
Obama? Give me a break. I'm neither Dem nor Repub ("I'm a radical for capitalism") - you think the Repubs in now are bad? They are. But get Obama and his ilk in there and you'll be wishing for the bad old days with the Repubs.
But I do agree - vote all the encumbents out. We'll get more of the same, but it'll take some time before they learn how to be as corrupt as the long-timers we have now.
This country hasn't long to go if it keeps on its current path.
Men of the mind - strike!!
photogenic-check!
articulate-check!
minority-check!
communist-check!
has toured the land of his father who abandoned him without any mention of the white mother who was left to raise him-check!
further reinforces that politics is the realm of the mediocre-check!
ernunnos,
So, you aren't letting George W Bush slide on the mistakes he has made?
Guys, we live in a racist country.
We haven't had either a woman or even a true Slavic/Greek/Armenian (with both sets of ancestors from eastern Europe, not the typical 20-50% like the other 70 or more million whites in this country) president.
Now, you're expecting me to believe that a black guy, who can't pass for 3/4's white like the actor Vin Diesel or NBA star Jason Kidd, has a hope of being president in this country. Give me a break!
tj,
You present a false choice. He could instead of those things done some real work - like a plumber or a trucker or a programmer or a scientist or.. you get the drift.
For the record, I'm neither Republican nor Dem. The slogan I most strongly support is of the Trotskyist Social Workers (oops I mean Socialist Workers ) Party in the UK in the '80s - which was "Don't Vote ! It only encourages them".
And I'm not a trot either.
Separately,
I find Obama's reverse passing-off nauseating. No way is he "black" - there ain't a drop of cotton pickin' blood in him.. Son of a foreign student from Kenya as part of the student "airlift" in the 1960s(I'm researching how that came about at this time ), and a KY white mom ? C'mon - this is reverse passing off.
Meantime, I'd better get back to looking at companies reporting on Mon. night/Tues am that are worth shorting - BKUNA and MDC look good as do 20 others..
-K
-K
A lot of people willing to drag this young, accomplished, promising person through the mud without the slightest knowledge of what he stands for, works for, and believes in. Just a knee-jerk reaction trying to drag another man down. Doesn't reflect very well what's inside those who say it.
I do believe Obama's a pragmatic politician and quite a survivor. Certainly he's come up against worse than the standard kooky right wing smear campaigns (and bulldozed right through it -- talk about tired rhetoric)
Some people have a message and a leadership potential that is so strong that no amount of fake swift-boating can turn it aside.
The cutest marketing ploy I've ever seen is the flip reply of "old ideas" or "same old". I think there was a 10 year period where that worked. But I do believe that the average American is smart enough to realize which party is owned and operated by the "old ideas" -- always was, always will be.
Enjoy the ride!
Na, Im voting for Robin Williams
:No way is he "black"
Dude, black means dark African-American (including Australian-Aboriginals if they decide to immigrate to the US and have a family here) and this excludes the Dutch Afrikaners, French, and British colonials over there. The notion that they need to necessarily have to belong to the Frederick Douglas movement is immaterial for the present-day definition of race and color.
I bet that in a few decades, the darker toned Arabs from Yemen and the darker "dalit" South Indians will also be African-American once their children are fully integrated into this society.
sk,
"Son of a foreign student from Kenya as part of the student "airlift" in the 1960s(I'm researching how that came about at this time )"
Good luck with your researching, you nut job.
Hey Jenkins,
The guy above is representative of the typical voter. Do you really think that the principle of the classic midwestern upstart, ala Abe Lincoln, is really the way of the world? No, most candidates are sales pitches from the party system and that's what produces a President.
Too many people looking for a single person to become a savior.
(And then using race/party/class/whatever to absolutely trash him because he isn't a "plumber" or whatever -- give me a break)
The ACTUAL point is - does this dude have the potential to do the job someday - does he have the intellectual horsepower, the will to understand and evaluate facts and options, and any sort of backbone (or will he just sit back and do what oil-company appointees tell him? hmm.) Will he be able to work with all sorts of people? Will he be able to surround himself with smarties (or corrupt cronies from 3-generation old political regimes like uh.. SOMEONE ELSE).
The man is smart -- EDUCATED -- and has actualy cracked a f'in book in his lifetime. I guess it's sad that is so off-putting to some.
Instead of bankrolled by the largest corporations in america (look it up, numbnuts), family connections, and with a long string of bail-outs, failed businesses (100% record of business failure - how's that for a CEO president? I wouldn't trust the current chump to run the cash register at a 7-11) -- and relying on family name to get him out of every jam (fact check it - you can try to look away from it, but these facts hit you in the face like a brick if you aren't looking)
On the basketball court, we used to just say "check the scoreboard". Apparently nobody looks at the record, the accomplishment, the ideas anymore. Just who has the most campaign money. Well that hasn't worked - that's how you get a failure like Bush Jr. in the oval office.
Time to get comfortable with some facts. I can't believe the maggots coming out of the dirt to attack Obama (who has a rather solid background as a Senator).
And the comment as to whether this guy is really "Black" - uhhh, the hilarious part is that that sort of mud is only being thrown by pasty white GOP hacks. Nobody else cares, and that horseshit isn't going to fool a single actual voter. Funny stuff though - keep it up.
I've heard good things about this guy, but don't really know a whole lot about him. I heard him in an interview recently, where he stated Jesse Jackson is one of his best friends. Just because of that, he has a lot of ground to make up to ever get my vote.
Obama apparently HAS NEVER HAD A REAL JOB. Professional student. non profits.Never had to get hands dirty. Never experienced the real sense of risks and volatilities of capitalist markets. He's a softy who wouldnt make it on his own in the real world starting from scratch. If you were to take away all of his connections and priviledges, he would be just another schmoe on the street.
I had an uncle-in-law once who spent 20 years in college
"From Wikipedia:
After high school, Obama studied for two years at Occidental College, before transferring to Columbia College at Columbia University. There he majored in political science, with a specialization in international relations. Upon graduation, Obama worked for one year at Business International Corporation before moving to Chicago and taking a job with a non-profit organization helping local churches organize job training programs for residents of poor neighborhoods.[5]
Obama then left Chicago for three years to study law at Harvard University. He was elected president of the Harvard Law Review, graduating magna cum laude in 1991. Following law school Obama returned to Chicago, first supporting a voter registration drive, then working for the civil rights law firm Miner, Barnhill and Galland, and teaching constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School.[6]
I mean, granted, he didn't use his father's money and connections to form multiple oil drilling partnerships, ran them all into bankruptcy, then used his father's money and connections to bail himself out.
But he did work a little. "
"If you were to take away all of his connections and priviledges, he would be just another schmoe on the street"
What connections and privileges are those? The ones that got him into Occidental College? Please. Try to contribute something to the discussion that makes sense. Obama is not somebody who came from a life of privilege and connections. He has made connections in his years, but those were not given to him by birth or money, unlike both of the 2000 and both of the 2004 presidential candidates.
Anybody but Hilary or Kenedy!!!
Nice attempted threadjack, Richard.
I'm normally not in favor of prescribing children with Ritalin, but in your case, it might be a good idea.
If he isn't outraged enough by the Republicrats to be be a registered independent or third party candidate, then he's not worth voting for and is just the same old, same old.
Besides, it's not like the votes are counted accurately anyway so why even bother?
A black man or woman president ?it'll never happen in my lifetime. The republicans gotta be sitting back and waiting for 2008 and hoping it's one of them.
My bets are on this man. In fact for the forst time in my life I put a bumper sticker. VOTE FOR STEELE.
MEET YOUR FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT
I LOOK AT THIS GUY, AND I JUST SEE
KENNEDY. I KNOW, HE PROBABLY HAS
FAULTS, BUT I'M IN LOVE. I KNOW IT SOUNDS
GAY, BUT THERE IT IS. GORE IS LOOKING
LIKE KENEDY TO ME TOO. AND BUSH, BUSH
IS LOOKING MORE LIKE NIXON. WEIRD,
I HAVEN'T BEEN HITTING THE BONG...
MAYBE I AM JUST SO DESPERATE FOR A LEADER.
ANYONE EVEN REMOTELY COMPETENT.
-MAHA
Here is what amazes me.
That anyone actually believes anything we have been told/fed.
We have been enslaved for thousands of years on this planet. Our enslavement continues as long as we believe that anyone outside of ourselves has any power over us.
It is up to us, each and every one of us to make our way.
How racism in the Anglo-American world works...
Guys, let me tell you a story which might give you a perspective on the matter.
Both Freddie Mercury, the rock star, and M. Night Shymalan, the director of 'Sixth Sign', have familial ties to India.
Here's the difference... Freddie's ethnic Persian (caucasian) and Shymalan, ethnic Indian (Indo-Aryan).
Therefore, the Brits have made Freddie's theirs, and Americans have begrudgingly tolerated Shymalan but much like another Spike Lee, an outsider to the movie making world.
If Freddie wasn't gay, he could run for a public office in the UK and win on account of his pop star popularity and skin color. There's almost no way for Shymalan to run for any post in the US, senate or congressman, unless he re-tools himself as a black or latin American and tries to win the black a/o latino vote. That's how the race divide works.
Obama getting into the race will force the Republicans to put up Condi
I hope Obama gets elected and that triggers a much needed race/civil war.
He is just another collectivist who hates "whitey".
I'm a former Columbia alumni and if Mr Obama is like any of my former classmates then he's more typical than you think.
For one, 25% of Columbia undergrads attend law school because for them, that's the key to power in M&As, Wall St, or DC think tanks. And before the first year, many persons started college w/o that idea pre-implanted. Then, within a few semesters, everyone who isn't already going to Wall St or consulting, before MBA and isn't a premed, is suddenly prelaw.
Then, this love/hate guilt complex of being an ivy college next to Harlem causes many to join organizations which depict the college campus as a good neighbor to the underprivileged than a bastion for prep school nerds and the socially connected. These organizations then serve as a pipeline for DC internships in public policy, etc.
I think you get the picture. The notion that Mr Obama is a fresh upstart, with new ideas, and isn't tainted with some old school elitism is simply not credible. He's a player and is pretty good at it.
I have to say, as exemplified by this thread, if the best the Fox News crowd can come up with is that a half Kenyan named Barack Obama is "more of the same", or that he never worked as a plumber, or that he isn't really black, then this fella has got a real chance, and the Fox News crowd's credibility will be completely wiped out in the next few years. That does indeed give me hope.
My fear is that Obama is such a powerful populist force that the fox news crowd does something dangerous
Sean Hannity and pals will get their racist hateful minions so fired up that it just takes one
Obama needs security today as if he were already president
They're going to have a hard time demonizing this guy, so it'll be interesting to see the tact they take
Any guesses?
Neither Obama or Hillary will be your savior.
Vegas crash watcher
FOR THE RECORD, BUSH (VIA THE FED) IS THE
REAL COLLECTIVIST SOCIALIST POWER.
THROUGH MONETARY MANIPULATION AND
(OPAQUE) ECONOMIC PLANNING, WE WILL ALL
BE COLLECTIVELY POOR. WE ARE ALL ALREADY
POOR, WE JUST DON'T KNOW IT YET BECAUSE
WE ARE RUNNING ON CREDIT. JUST WAIT TILL
THE BILL OF BUSHES EXCESS COMES DUE
AND YOU ARE STUCK WITH IT, VIA A RAPIDLY
DEPRECIATING DOLLAR AND COLLAPSING MARKET.
CONSERVATIVES MAKE ME LAUGH WITH ALL THEIR
TAX CUT BULLSHIT. YOU ARE ALL GETTING
TAXED UP THE ASS BY INFLATION.
AND BY THE WAY vegas crash watcher,
YOUR WHITE SELF LOATHING IS SHOUTING ITS
SELF FROM THE MOUNTAIN TOPS. ITS
EFFING EMBARASSING FOR YOU.
-MAHA
-MAHA
OK, so what is so special about him? He's half Kenyan, Half white. He didn't grow up in the ghetto.
"OMG he's part black, speaks well, and is really photogenic!!! I'm creaming my pants for him!!". How stupid are you people?
If he were white and said the same things he'd be just another snooze fest.
His accomplishments would mean more if he actually came from poverty and didn't just have darkish skin. He's part AFrican, BFD.
He's from the collectivist wing of the Dem. Party. For those people who hate the idea of an illegal alien amnesty, what exaclty do you think the dems would do once they get in? Illegal alien amnesty is 10M more poor people voting for them. Of course they're for it. And you shills are too stupid to realize it. The repubs are bums but right now they're the only thing between standing in front of an amnesty bill.
Granted, the libs would get us out of Iraq really quickly. That and try to socialize medicine again, which I think would be a disaster, but most liberals would be thrilled about.
if hilary ran against condi I'd vote for condi
the liberal left is toast. the conservative right is toast. the center is where we'll see candidates run, win and govern after the bush disaster
I hope
Ask Sen. Obama about illegal immigration.
Look at the nonsense he'll spout about us being "inclusive"...blah blah blah statue of liberty, but still "we must repect the law".
He'll give you standard boilerplate nonsense, but in the end it's amnesty time!
I wish it weren't the case. I'm old school small gov't is good gov't. The best we could have is a small gov't repub. congress and a centrist president...
The Dem party is owned by liberal groups, racial separatist 'hate whitey' groups, La Raza, pro abortionists, trial lawyers, just as much as the religious right influences the republicans. Probably more so. Dems in WAshington are told how to vote on every important issue...that's just the way it is.
Bill Clinton is one of the smartest men in America - Rhodes Scholar. Yes, dumb in his personal life, but in the brain, smart
Barack Obama is one of the smartest men in America - Harvard Law Review editor.
I'll take smart guys anyday against dumb guys, and DC is full of 'em
TO THE ANON DUMBASS ABOVE, SEE THE
FOLLOWING LINK:
http://www.infozine.com/news/stories/op/storiesView/sid/18530/
THIS IS THE ROCK AND HARD PLACE YOUR SOCIALIST BUSH HAS PUT US BETWEEN. WE MUST
HAVE ILLEGALS OR THE ECONOMY TANKS.
IT WILL TANK ANYWAY, BUT SOONER IF WE
TRY ANYTHING SERIOUS ABOUT ILLEGALS.
OBAMA IS ADVOCATING REAL WORK FOR (HOPEFULLY) REAL PAY. SOUNDS GOOD TO
ME, AND OTHER HONEST FOLK. ENOUGH OF
THIS GET RICH QUICK FUNNY MONEY AND
IMMIGRENT SLAVE LABOR.
-MAHA
"If Freddie wasn't gay, he could run for a public office in the UK and win on account of his pop star popularity and skin color."
I think being dead would be more an obstacle than being gay.
there'll be many many issues I disagree with the guy on. But compared to the awful field shaping up for 2008, he stands heads and shoulders above
We can only work with what we can work with. And compared to George Allen, John McCain, Hillary, Evan Bayh or Bill Frist, come on, this guy is gonna cause a lot of excitement out there, where there was none before
The question is, after today's bombshell - will there be any more?
Oprah? Donald Trump? Keith Olbermann? Jack Welch? Condi?
Ok, it appears that the only eligible candidates for President are either senators, congressmen, or governors, that's a total of 585 (435 + 100 + 50) potentials.
How come no one's looking on the outside?
HERE IS THE FULL LINK:
http://www.infozine.com/news/stories/
op/storiesView/sid/18530/
"I think being dead would be more an obstacle than being gay."
Point taken, however, if he'd gotten AIDs in the 90s, instead of the early 80s, he could be on the newer protease inhibitors and might still be alive like Magic but wouldn't be elected to Parliament with his lifestyle.
If Freddie was an authentic Indian, as oppose to an ethnic Persian, whose family prospered in India during Imperial times, then he'd never have a shot even if he was heterosexual. He'd probably have ended up as a club singer than the lead singer of Queen.
"Obama is unelectable; even more so than Kerry or Gore."
Now that's the truth.
Democrats have no chance if they keep with their limousine liberalism and "got mine" politics.
They have no base
This is funny:
"We need to steer clear of this poverty of ambition, where people want to drive
fancy cars and wear nice clothes and live in nice apartments but don't want to
work hard to accomplish these things. Everyone should try to realize their full
potential." - Barack Obama
Obama is a 3 percenter at best. A professional student chastizing others for not "working hard"
Jimmy Carter probably looked unelectable in 1974 too...
Politics is a funny thing.
Obama is your next president folks. If he decides to run, and if he has good security
RE: anon
"Here's the difference... Freddie's ethnic Persian (caucasian) and Shymalan, ethnic Indian (Indo-Aryan)."
Hey now.. where do I start.. M Night Shymalan is definitely East Indian in origin but he's not Indo-Aryan - he's Tamil in origin, which by the antiquated 19th century race theories would be called Dravidian - See that black mutt of his ? and his funny sounding name - its a Tamil name, even Indians find Tamil names hard to say.. why even Tamils find Tamil names hard to say - those are dead giveaways.
Now our mercuric Freddie, well he's really Parsi( nee Parsee ) and he'd be called an Irani( nee Iranian) in Mumbai, India, but in fact he's from Zanzibar which is island that's now part of Tanzania - though he spent his childhood in a Roman Catholic run single sex boarding schools in the hill stations above Mumbai, where he got his ab initio in matters gay no doubt... hmm where was I.. O Yeah, if anything HE's really Indo-Aryan, which modern terminology would expand to Aryan language speaking group of tribes that rode around endlessly long before there were countries and races.. well perhaps horse races and camel races existed then.
If the Obama candidature gets some education out there about the poverty of thinking and fact and surplus of myth that surrounds the myth of race ( my favorite definition of race is as a psychiatric disease since its all so damn irrational) and perhaps the importance of class( as in poor, ignorant and hungry) over mythological race on your inherited characteristics then its going to be all worthwhile.
-K
John..
Lyndon..
Richard..
Gerald..
Jimmy..
Ronald..
George..
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George..
Barak?
That and try to socialize medicine again, which I think would be a disaster, but most liberals would be thrilled about.
Why does it work in France? Or are the French just more effective, harder working, and more honest, and less greedy than Americans?
I have to think that those of you who think achieving high academic rank is "not work" are the ignorant boobs who let the Republican corporate elite run a scam like GW on them. I've worked hard (how's breaking cement with a sledge for 10 hours a day in 100+ degree heat or standing ankle deep in maggots while you load filthy linens into a steming sommerical washer), and I've also graduated form the top public Univ in the world. Both were tough, especially doing themtogether. Just because you use your brain instead of your back doesn't mean it ain't hard work. Obama apparantly knows how to work, and how to think. He's got two over GW right there.
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Lyndon..
Richard..
Gerald..
Jimmy..
Ronald..
George..
William..
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then:
Jose
Carole
Trixie
Tiffany
Osama
Hector
Miguel
Clay
Rick
he he he
it's funny to see the fox news crowd throw up their first desperation passes
1) never held a job (yeah, right)
2) can't win because he's black (he's actually more likely to win becuase he's black)
3) liberal liberal liberal - not realizing he's a centrist
4) too young - not realizing the generational war will start in 2008
5) too much of a lightweight - not realizing he's one of the smartest people in America, harvard law review president, and our best public speaker who's not a minister
Yes, I'm aware that many Tamils are Dravidian, however, the higher caste ones still perceive themselves as Indo-Aryans as well as the majority of the northern states of India. I've even heard this from people from Chennai. Many Tamils don't associate themselves with the Dravidian label for the same reasons that there is a White vs Mestizo label for South Americans. I think the tendency for India's own internal racism is to see Dalits as Dravidians and everyone else as Indo-Aryan with the focus of this being the Aryans (perhaps related to the ancient Persians) who'd settled in India many millenia ago.
Freddie, unlike a lot of Indian-based Parsis, is more a Persian disporic than Indo-Aryan because his family was scattered among the British commonwealth and have a lighter undertone than even modern day Zoroastrians who still live in India. Persian diaporas exists in India, former Soviet central Asia, Bahrain, and a slew of commonwealth nations. According to my British colleagues, Freddie's an Anglo-Persian, a British fellow with Iranian roots, a lot different from a typical Punjabi or Maharashtrian living in the UK. One group can run for office, successful as a British (or caucasian) person, and the other, as an outsider looking in with little hope of success. That's the essence of racism, based upon skin color and that determines where one belongs in a white majority nation-state like the US or UK. Shymalan, unlike Freddie, will never be able to run for senate or congress unless he's integrated into the African or Latin communities in the US and runs with that as his base with the hope of snagging some moderate white votes.
Do conservatives really know the defnition of what they are so proud to be, and the definition of liberal, they despise? Here they are, from the American Heritage Dictionary:
liberal:
1a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. ... 2a. Tending to give freely; generous:
conservative:1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change. 2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit. 3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.
Honestly, conservative, are you really proud to be a non-generous, opposed to human progress, anal-retentive bigot?
Obama shouldn't fear the skinheads, Fox News, or any of the right-wing groups. No, the greatest threat to his survival is in the form of a junior Senator from NY. If he's smart, he'll have her and Bubba tracked 24/7.
Yes, liberals are generous, especially when it comes to giving away other people's money! Look at Air America -- it appealed for donations and received about $10K from its "generous" liberal audience.
Take your dictionary and stick it up your progressive, supercilious ass. That might make you happy as it's certainly a new and unorthodox use for the book.
If the American people turn this guy down for a piece of crap like Hillary, then the people truly deserve what they have coming. Obabam at least gives the appearence of someone who can lead knows the problems that are facing middle-class America. Hillary is an anti-middle-class, pro-India piece of shit who is the last thing we need!
Barack and Hillary have some interesting healthcare legislation to help lower medical costs.
Healthcare costs and benefits should be of great concern to Americans.
There's nothing special about Obama. His main appeal is that he gives whites a "get of being accused of racism" free card. If you vote for him, then your white guilt goes away!
Seriously he made a statement that people should respect "hard work". Wow, bravo. Talk about taking a stand!
I think it's a sham, becuase he didn't even grow up as a poverty stricken black. You shouldn't get the "get of racism" free card unless you vote for a hip hoping gang banging black person with a criminal record. He's just a guy with dark skin, BFD.
And "smartest person in America" because of the Harvard Law Review? Frist was a heart surgeon, no brains there. The problems we have take leadership not book smarts, anyway.
As for national health care in france, most people in this country want gold plated, health care on demand, even if it costs 1 million dollars for my incurable disease healthcare. They won't tolerate lines, rationing of any kind. For some reason in Canada and Britain they tolerate that.
In a recent press conference Blair was confronted by a woman who demanded to know why there weren't more dentists (his response: "Look, I can't just create more dentists!"). The lines for dentists are so long she had to pull her own teeth they hurt so much. She had pulled 7 of them. Apparently lots of people do that in Britain.
Washington DC has more MRI machines than all of Canada. Excessive? Maybe but try taking them away from people who expect them b/c the gov't can't "afford it". They'll go crazy.
People say they want gov't health care b/c they think it'll be the same as what they have now, just "free". I don't think so.
Hey, I like Trixie! Sounds good, President Trixie!
And how do you know he's a "centrist", b/c the media tells you so? Has he taken a position on anything at all? Of course they say that, if they said "he's a liberal" no one will vote for him. No one will vote for some big gov't spending liberal taking their tax dollars for his boondoggles.
If either Hillary or Obama are nominated in '08, a moderate Republican (though not exactly a Rockefeller Republican) will be elected. The idea is that the neo-cons will be silenced during the campaign and then the democrats will be rendered to carrying both the liberal label and an unelectable candidate whereas the Republicans will run someone like McCain or a dark horse, who isn't related to the Bushes or Rumsfelds of the world.
"Jimmy Carter probably looked unelectable in 1974 too..."
Wrong! He's white, a southern baptist, and was governor of Georgia. That's an electable dark horse provided that people want the bums out (i.e. Nixon/Kissinger era).
---And "smartest person in America" because of the Harvard Law Review? Frist was a heart surgeon, no brains there. The problems we have take leadership not book smarts, anyway.--
Bingo! And the Harvard Law Review is an essay contest so it generally goes to the top dozen at HLS whose prose or rhetoric catches the committee's attention. And as for book smarts, not only did Frist attend Harvard Med but he also trained in OR at Mass General which is one of the top five hospitals in the nation which gets honors grad applicants from all the best med schools like Johns Hopkins, Harvard, Columbia, Washington U, Duke, Penn, Stanford, etc. And afterwards, he'd founded the the multi-organ transplant center at Vanderbilt Univ so he's no slouch in the leadership area either.
hey richard, how aout waking up to what's going on in the UK and stop b*tchin' about the US. At least the republicans are open about their policies (neo-cons),they are not handing their policy making over to another country (as Blair did in Iraq) and they were never elected as the paty of the working class (labour was). Also, they didn't sell themselves a the saviour of the ordinary guy and then sell out to the most right wing, reactionary govt the US has seen in more than a generation. Seems to me you have enough to worry about in UK without getting all sanctimonious about the US.
I am a Democrat -- and a pretty liberal one from the Northeast, too. I am decidely NOT all that impressed with Barack Obama. The only things that the guy has done thusfar are (1) give a very nice speech at the convention 2 years ago (leading some to compare him to JFK or MLK); and (2) tirelessly lecture other Democrats on how we should act, in the usual pseudo-Clintonian "moderate" insider-speak that makes party faithful like myself cringe (leading ME to compare him to Joe Lieberman).
I really hope that I am wrong about him. For now, I think that he's the Democrats' version of A-Rod -- fantastic resume, nice rhetoric, but failing us in the clutch.
no hope: i thought we were being urged to vote out incumbents the other day, andnow you ar ehoping an incumbent senator will run for president.
vote libertarian. even if you can't win at least you have shown your dissent rather than voting for more of the same corruption. the idea of voting out all incumbents is farcical when the new guys will come from the same party machines.
Just came across this on the MSNBC
site:
"The Illinois Democrat said he could no longer stand by the statements he made after his 2004 election and earlier this year that he would serve a full six-year term in Congress."
NOT STANDBY?? what is this - a Tammi Wynette song and dance routine?
How about: I LIED to you, you sheeple, you idiots. but you won't care.
-K
typical liberal. Expects americans to *work* for a living.
That's why I always vote repub. Borrow and spend, no work required, no taxes cause it's all my money anyway. Plus they keep blacks out of the Nascar circuit and country music.
If it came down to it, I'd vote for Obama over just about any Republican. Better a guy with a thin resume -- who may or may not be a phony (jury is still out on both issues) -- than the bonafide maniacs that the Republicans will nominate. But he's not my first choice -- I'd vote for Gore and Kerry again over him at this point (and I don't support Hillary, so don't pin her on me). That could change, though.
And please, don't recite Obama's resume again. I work with people like Obama all day (I am a lawyer in NYC) -- Ivy League educated folks with spectacular resumes and very very bright, but who may or may not be very good at what they were hired to do. I just wish folks wouldn't go apeshit every time they see Yale or some other such hoity-toity school on a person's CV. I would've thought that the current Yale-"educated" boob in the White House would've cured people of that tendency, but I am wrong apparently.
"Its not what you see yourself as that defines you in other peoples eyes its what other people see that defines you in their eyes."
Again, this just goes to show that Freddie Mercury, being visibly caucasian, can run for MP successfully by simply being heterosexual (along with pop star appeal), and others like Jindal are at a disadvantage which is why he had to tout the extreme ultra-right Cajun vote in LA via flag burning amendment and no abortion agendas. Now, if Shymalan tried a hand at the Cali or Penn congress, would he have to form another neo-fascist agenda since there's not enough Cajuns in Cali/Penn to woo over with that retro-rhetoric talk of a Jindal? I don't think he'd have a chance if he didn't go hispanic or black.
"A couple of points: this Dalit stuff is casteism not racism, there are 1000's of caste names for the lowest of the low, poorest of the poor castes, Dravid and Dalit are not in that"
Yes, however, who in India is truely Dravidian or a mix of Dravidian/Aryan and can one really tell the difference nowadays, anyways? And didn't this delineation begin centuries ago, when clusters of underclass laborers, who didn't mix with the Aryans and therefore, stayed Dravidian rather than become Indo-Aryan?
From the outset, most people can see that Freddie doesn't look like an Indian guy but someone of mideastern or eastern European background. I think this went a long way for him being as accepted as he was by the mainstream Britisher.
The repubs are bums but right now they're the only thing between standing in front of an amnesty bill.
Um, Bush is the one who is proposing amnesty. His corporate sugardaddies love the cheap labor, you know.
Yeah, hope is for the ignorant.
You really think a house n*gger is gonna do any better than Bush?
LOL
Personally, I have no hope.
I think with no basic R&D infrastructure, America will be a third or second world nation in a short time as the shift in wealth goes from here to east Asia. That's something, no candidate, liberal or conservative, can change.
The most we can hope for is a moderate govt which doesn't engage in arbitrary conflicts with no end game in mind and in a moderate but orderly housing-based depression so that the nation adapts to a lower living standard.
Obama is pro middle class!
Hillary is for outsourcing middle-class jobs to India. She is also a phoney bitch who hates working people.
The Dems can take the White House in 2008, but only if they make the right joice.
"Hillary is for outsourcing middle-class jobs to India. She is also a phoney bitch who hates working people."
Hillary has referred to the working class as "working class trash" repeatedly. I have never understood why so many people find her appealing. She does not fool me for one minute. Obama at least appears to be serious about what he says.
Obama is 2008!!!
"What you and I know, that most people don't know, is that anyone who wants to run for President of the Galaxy should by all means be prevented from doing so"...Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy (ghost of Zaphod's Grandfather)
But, as I told a friend, it does matter for whom you vote. Just on supreme court appointment alone, Bush was going to be bad news. I wouldn't want the supreme court to be all anything, but for sure not all Scalia dittoheads like Thomas. Of course the next Democratic candidate will be a little bit of a phony politician, but Bush is atrocious. Calling him a "disaster area" is, unfortunately, literally true - Katrina! Iraq! And now the entire world economy teeters on the cliff. The constitution is his toilet paper. Yes, the next president will have foibles. But hopefully we will not end up with Inspector Clueso and Forest Gump all wrapped up in one.
Obama has been in the U.S. Senate one term. Now we are talking about him being President? The Democratic Party is looking for some one with a little charisma and no record. This guy seems to be the guy. I do remember that Obama endorsed Joe Lieberman in the primaries. Lieberman was considered Obama's mentor in the Senate. I think this party hack needs to prove he has more than a pretty face.
Does he accept AIPAC money? If he does, he's just like the rest.
This fellow is a multi-media induced distraction, not a viable leader.
He seems like a decent guy but he'll withdraw the bid as soon as his book gets its run on the bestseller list a few weeks.
"Y'know, Ayn Rand once made an astute observation."
Stop right there. Rand is in idiot.
Democrats need to understand that this image looks as bad to me as a republican candidate being mentored by Bush looks to you
Keithmiller
We already do understand racists like you.
The most we can hope for is a moderate govt which doesn't engage in arbitrary conflicts with no end game in mind and in a moderate but orderly housing-based depression so that the nation adapts to a lower living standard.
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Couldn't agree more. And we have to get out of Iraq ASAP. What a waste of lives, time and money....
If the American people turn this guy down for a piece of crap like Hillary, then the people truly deserve what they have coming.
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You "Hillary Haters" better look at the polls. The last one I saw showed "Mr. Global Warming," Al Gore, leading the field for the Democratic nomination by a wide margin.
America. the home of the free and the stupid. We elected the laughin stock of the country/world!!! Clinton/Bush The guy doesn't have enough comedy material to be elected. maybe---------------------- SHARPTON VS FALlWELL 2008 we'll make it a date!!!!
"and I've also graduated form the top public Univ in the world"
What school is that? Berkeley? Michigan?
Obama is a red herring, just a little stimulus to gauge the pols.
"Keithmiller
We already do understand racists like you. "
You missed the point, dummy!
The point is that Jackson is just as much of an extremist as is Fallwell on the right. Even most blacks acknowledge that Jackson is just an opportunist who does not care about the advancements of black people. The entire Democratic Party needs to sever all ties with this jerk if they want to appeal to the majority of the nation.
Sean Hannity and pals will get their racist hateful minions so fired up that it just takes one
email I got this morning - I guess he is isn't the raciest hateful after all. Maybe he just hates dumb democrats - now tell us a story about the brown skin Mexican and your lovely Queen.
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Keith is suc a loser and says he NOT left??? "HOPE" good lord what a tool.
Keith is a moron, and really has no clue about politics and how the game works (Oprah Olberman?)
The repubs will keep the house and senate, you watch! And think Dems, if you couldn't win in 04', fail to win back congress in 06', and fail to win in 08'...how will you ever win. Keith is wrong, there is a very strong conservative movement in this country that is eroding the blue states. There is a reason that Fox's viewership is so high and blows away (by multiples) the other cable news stations. Taste it libs, it is and has been over for a while.
man, you can almost taste the stupidity from some on the fox news right
they really have nothing to say in the end. just mindless dribble.
Nice candidate; but a little underbaked yet, in my opinion.
I like him. I think he has loads of charisma, and I also think he'll be more in tune to the zeitgeist of the nation in 2008 than nearly any other candidate (certainly more than Hillary, and waaaay more than any Republican, with the possible exception of Chuck Hagel).
However, I do think that he's just a hair too young for 2008. Either he's a Veep for the Dems '08 virtual shoo-in (whoever they choose) ... or, if he's exceptionally patient (and with a little bit of luck), he could spend his callow political youth building up enough political clout to be positioned as the Democrat's Grizzled Veteran Front Runner for the late teens or twenties of this century.
Currently, my Dark Horse money's on John Edwards, for the Democrats. I'm not sure who the Republicans will pick (or rather, who their willing sacrifice will be) for 2008; but I think the aforementioned Senator Chuck "Count the Votes? I OWN the Votes!" Hagel has been patiently building up his maverick credentials for a solid outsider run to be the belle of the St. Paul coronation ball.
For one, I don't watch Fox. As a matter of fact, I barely watch the tube at all except for PBS.
Now, after seeing this thread, I agree with the Keith naysayers in the fact that the OP's ignorant of the political machine and how it conjures up candidates.
For one, look at the number of people in the country (300 million) and within it, the number of caucasians, which now comprises of both western/eastern European and some mideastern (like Armenian) heritages, 200 million. You're telling me that out of roughly 200 million "white faced" persons out there that only a few hundred political hacks are qualified to run for President (w/o setting off the racial divide landmine)? That's complete bullshit! What we have is a political process which doesn't push up the natural leaders, within society, but those who're proped up by the various political machines to run for office. A natural 'caucasian' leader in America will be a private sector executive a/o entreprenuer but not a politician because self-starting ideas are not welcome in the beltway.
Ok, with the above out of the way, I see the Dems using Obama as a way of selling the internationalism idea to the public that is if the public believes that that's what's needed in '08. And of course, that ticket will look like Edwards/Obama so that it doesn't set off the racial-to-liberal divide landmine. Now, in contrast, the Republican party has an easier task. For them, they need to trash the neo-cons within and put up a McCain-like moderate and the Dems will have a hard time beating him. That's national politics for you.
Obama is a Leftist FOOL
Kieth,
this is a racist nation..unfortunately can't happen. Just look at some of the posts here, as some of these right wing wackos put on their Klan suit before they offer bigoted opinions.
There's a lot of scum in America.
::Obama is a Leftist FOOL
No, that's Hillary.
Obama's a social climber a.k.a. politician with the right visage so he'll say whatever's convenient for the moment.
As for his work agenda, BFD, that's always been a part of the American fold before the whole dotcom mania of the 90s. And I don't see how any politician is going to revive the great jobs machine if business leaders are sending them offshore in droves.
"this is a racist nation..unfortunately can't happen."
But I think that's the point of all the anti-Obama threads. We are a racist nation but people just can't admit it to themselves and want to believe that non-WASPs (or simply non-whites) can make it to the "white" house which simply isn't the case.
"Currently, my Dark Horse money's on John Edwards, for the Democrats."
Was the plastic surgery successful? Having those horns removed from his forehead must have been quite a procedure!
Edwards is perhaps the smarmiest pol I've ever seen. If Kerry had picked Gephart instead of Edwards for VP, he'd be sitting in the oval office today.
:Gephart instead of Edwards for VP
Doubt it because Kerry, by himself, is not credible and is a Mass "Barney Frank" type according to the press.
The ticket would be Gore/Gephardt because believe it or not, Gore's considered a moderate by most, regardless of the internet jokes, banal mannerisms, etc.
Can he be worst than Bush ??
Can anyone be worst than Bush ??
I don't get it .. how do people just say that oh .. bush made some mistakes !!??
3,000 dead US soldires .. 100's of thousands of dead Iraqis .. oops .. he made a mistake ..
wake up people ..
"I don't get it .. how do people just say that oh"
Yeah, some of us don't like Bush but we're also realistic about the body politic of America. For one, it's a two party system, Ross Perots and John Andersons need not apply. Then, within the two parties, there's a lot of you-scratch-my-back and vice versa. Therefore, the Republicans have Bush and the neo-cons which they need to divest themselves from and towards a moderate frontman but the Dems have an even bigger task of finding a suitable candidate who doesn't appear like Hillary Clinton and is electable material like a Gephardt, a Gore, or a more "soft spoken" Dean.
I prefer the hippocritical, "do as we say, not as we do", Republican administration we enjoy today.
Are things really that bad with Bush as our president??
Come on people!
---"do as we say, not as we do", Republican administration we enjoy today.
Well, what Americans really want are jobs (w/ associated health insurance) and limited conflicts (like Kosovo).
The other stuff like gay marriage, lack of access to birth ctrl, flag burning, etc, is pandering to special a/o cultural interests. The problem is that neither parties have a clear answer to the primary issues so the peripheral issues, which are related to conservative vs liberal culture, eat up the spotlight which is why the Republican party still has an edge over the Democrats.
Well Washington had a Chinese or half Chinese governor.
And guess what? He was no better or worse than any other governor.
It really doesn't matter the color of the skin. The governors / presidents are just figureheads anyway.
Govt. is really run by special interests and big business.
So pick who you want to see on T.V. for 4-8 years. My vote is Jessica Simpson.
::Well Washington had a Chinese or half Chinese governor.
There's been a lot of white/Asian marriages over the past fifty years so in a sense, the half-Asian look (see Keanu Reeves, Dean Cain, or Kristin Kreuk) is rapidly becoming the 21st century eastern European look (fair skin with attractive eyes but caucasoid nose) whereas American Slavs have lost their exotic appeal starting from the 50s when they became practically indistinguishable from a generic white person from France or England. I mean Zsa Zsa Gabor's American children aren't exactly exotic w/o that accent?
his smile reminds me of the joker.
thats my 2 cents.
I think he has a good chance because he IS BLACK. Hell, I'd be willing to bet that 75% of the white race consists of pathetic, self-loathing, african worshipping imbeciles. He's an instant winner!
Hope?
Wow, Keith, you're such a 13 yr. girl.
Whats so hopeful about this guy as opposed to anyone else? Is it b/c he's young, good looking like Tiger Woods, and kinda black - but in a good way? LOL, reminds me of an 8th grade popularity contest.
The funny thing is ... I don't know anything about the guy. The Columbia lawyer pedigree is enough to send up the limosine liberal red flags but if he's saying 'everyone wants stuff but nobody wants to work for it ... um, sounds more like a conservative to me (personal responsibilty and no handouts). Maybe he's got some Bill Cosby in him. Maybe there is hope after all.
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"typical liberal. Expects EVERYONE ELSE to *work* for a living."
fixed it for ya.
+1 on comments below. I did notice the pants-creaming.
Looks like some kinda sick-twisted racist popularity contest. It sure is good to be half-white (as long as you still talk white).
Sorry, gotta call it like I see it.
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OK, so what is so special about him? He's half Kenyan, Half white. He didn't grow up in the ghetto.
"OMG he's part black, speaks well, and is really photogenic!!! I'm creaming my pants for him!!". How stupid are you people?
If he were white and said the same things he'd be just another snooze fest.
His accomplishments would mean more if he actually came from poverty and didn't just have darkish skin. He's part AFrican, BFD.
He's from the collectivist wing of the Dem. Party. For those people who hate the idea of an illegal alien amnesty, what exaclty do you think the dems would do once they get in? Illegal alien amnesty is 10M more poor people voting for them. Of course they're for it. And you shills are too stupid to realize it. The repubs are bums but right now they're the only thing between standing in front of an amnesty bill.
Granted, the libs would get us out of Iraq really quickly. That and try to socialize medicine again, which I think would be a disaster, but most liberals would be thrilled about.
"You have never been to South America or Asia apparently. The racism against blacks in those places is strong and more open then in the USA."
Yes and as some Indians on this thread know, there's more racism against Indians in neighboring east Asian countries like Singapore, Korea, China, and Japan (though less in Malaysia) over the US and Canada. So how's that for Asian solidarity?! A complete crock! They're just as KKK as the US/Aussie rednecks towards Indian people. I only wish that Asian-American organizations would own up to the idea that Indians are the 'blacks' in their club since no one would call a Chinaman a 'Maccaca' in Asia.
Once again, I bring up Freddie Mercury vs M. Night Shymalan even though both person have relatives living in India.
If Freddie was in Japan, the average person on the street would politely address him as a Gaijin (a.k.a white/Euro foreigner). He'd be generally treated all right as a foreign tourist, though it would be tough for him to break into various social circles w/o his pop star status.
On the other hand, if Shymalan was there, he'd be a kokujin, something equivalent to a 'Maccaca' in Japanese. Yes, African-Americans in Japan are treated worse than their white counterparts over there. He'd need to show up with Francis Ford Coppola as a part of an American directors convention to get people to talk to him as an equal.
So I wouldn't be too hard on Senator Allen for simply being truthful about something not talked about in polite society.
His dad was a muslim. He says he's christian. Who cares as long as he hates the jews? The jew runs washington and its time for the democrats to kick the jew-loving republicans out on their ass and set this country right! Capitalism MUST be brought to its knees and only the democrats have the BALLS to do what must be done!
It's nice to see another jew wise patriot on this blog for once.
Anon 12:25:33, Most Asians understand the savagery of the african and his quickness to become violent, this is why the steer clear.
"and I've also graduated form the top public Univ in the world"
That would be the London School of Economics, not a stateside place.
::Most Asians understand the savagery of the african
Ok, but that doesn't explain why east Asians (Chinese, Koreans, Japanese) also fear/loath south Asians (Indians) despite Gandhi being a peace loving hippy and the general knowledge of the Indian race as a type B personality stereotype. (*Hint: Skin color)
Oh stop it with the Jews.
You know that it's really a Protestant banking conspiracy cloaked via Zionistic shenanigans.
Some third World monkey is going to fix things that are unfixable, like Arab-Muslim culture?
Arab-Muslims live in dictatorships so they are prevented from decapitating their neighbors when fighting over crab-grass, bad debts, and who stole whose goat.
Democrats are not the party of values and will never be. They are the party of pampered, America-hating, leftist, over-educated narcissists like Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, and the Clintons.
:Some third World monkey is going to fix things
Just use the 'N' word and stop trying to hide behind primate monikers because that's what you really mean.
The Dems have no chance if they don't run candidates like Edwards, Gore, Gephardt, and like men. Yes, these men are white and appear to be moderate to the rest of the nation.
Once they run folks like Barney Frank (Gay/Leftist), Hillary (Lesbian/Leftist), Obama (Black/Populist), etc, they're bound to loose the Presidency. At this point in time, the party has a pretty good chance to win if they play their hand well.
Last Anon, the Dems should definitely take advice from somebody like you who spells the word "lose" wrong.
infidelsix,
Did you come from poverty? If not, your accomplishments don't mean squat!
God, are you an idiot.
:the word "lose" wrong.
Grammar police faux power streak detected.
Sorry, but no one checks spelling during a blog feast and of course, you already knew that but then tried to slip in a grammar will-to-power jab which gets you nowhere.
Yes Jenkins, the Dems will most likely LOSE (though loose sounds better) if they decide to run Frank, Hillary, or Obama.
These candidates are unelectable fringe elements who have no appeal in cities/towns like Nashville, Dayton, Omaha, and Pittsburgh. Don't think that the majority of voters live in cosmopolitan areas like Miami, NY, or Boston. If so, the Gore/Bush '00 election wouldn't have even been close.
last 2 anons,
It just annoys me how many people consistently spell the word "lose" wrong. It happens so often it can't be chalked up to it being typos or grammatical errors, but most likely a broken educational system. Not your fault, I was just lashing out at that a little bit. My apologies.
However, prognosticating about who will vote for whom is a worthless exercise, in general. There are far too many variables for any one person to really get a firm grasp on those hypothetical theories.
The Dems and the Repubs should run their best candidates, period, and let the voters sort em out. Obama is a good candidate. Will he win? Nobody knows. But he should run and find out.
:Repubs should run their best candidates, period, and let the voters sort em out.
I doubt that's how it goes.
Reps are going to go with a McCain, Frist, or a dark horse like Romney (Gov of Mass), someone who's effectively disparate from the current administration. Likewise, the Dems will have to steer away from Hillary Clinton and like candidates to win the middle vote away from the Republicans. That's how the two camps of campaign strategists will operate to capture volatile swing states like OH, FL, OR, etc. The whole thing is a chess board of winning the best positions on the electoral grid to win the race. All other idealistic and ambitious hopefuls, like Nader or Buchanan, are not realpolitik but naive concerning the true nature of the political process. So hopefully, the Dems have these concerns sorted out before the DNC so that it isn't just a staged formality like it was last time before the swift boat veterans swiftly torpedoed Kerry's credibility.
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