August 26, 2008

What are the most important issues influencing your vote for president? Here's mine... Fire away (intelligently I hope)


It's been disappointing to read some of the brainless comments here on HP and elsewhere lately, from both the left and right.

Obama is a muslim. McCain's wife pops pills. Obama met a guy who was a 60's radical. McCain cheated on his wife. Obama didn't wear a flag pin.

WE'RE $53 TRILLION F*CKING DOLLARS IN DEBT, WE'VE LOST OUR MANUFACTURING BASE, OUR FOREIGN POLICY IS AN UNPRECEDENTED DISASTER, OUR CURRENCY IS WORTHLESS, HOUSING HAS CRASHED LIKE NEVER BEFORE, AND SOME OF YOU CARE ABOUT F*CKING FLAG PINS AND PILL POPPING WIVES?

America, if that's the case, is doomed. Ignorance has taken over. The brain-dead issue crowd, left and right, should be embarrassed and ashamed at their public ignorance . But I fear they are not, as they're too ignorant to realize how stupid and shallow they truly are. They are suckers, they are fools.

I like a good political argument, but one based on issues. I hate trivial crap like flag pins and spouses. That being the case, I wanted to get specific with you, loyal HP'ers and even the Bush/McCain trolls. I support Obama (reluctantly) over McCain because of these issues:

1) FOREIGN POLICY: The United States brand needs to be restored around the world. A nation of hope, dreams, morality and fairness, of hard work, honesty and integrity. George Bush and the Sith Lord Dick Cheney have done more damage to our reputation around the world in eight years than I ever thought possible. Trust me, I live 'over here', and we're hated. HATED. And rightly so. We've been arrogant, we've tortured, we've invaded sovereign nations on false pretenses, we're hypocrites, and we're frankly the neighborhood as*holes, and it's just getting worse. It's time for a major change. McCain is more of the same, if not worse, and even more hot-headed, arrogant and dangerous than Bush.

2) SUPREME COURT: McCain sees Alito, Scalia and Thomas as model justices for the Supreme Court, which will have two or three vacancies in the next four years. This makes him an unacceptable and dangerous candidate for the office of President in my eyes.

3) TAXES: McCain wants to give the rich another tax cut. Obama wants to give the middle class and poor a tax cut, while slightly raising taxes on "the rich" back to pre-Bush levels. I support Obama on this. It's immoral to put the burden of taxes on the people who can least afford it. I would like to see the entire tax system thrown away and the IRS abolished in favor of a consumption tax versus an income tax, but failing that, I'm for lower taxes on the middle class and higher taxes on people making over $250,000 a year, so is Obama. McCain is in the pocket of the rich and the corporations, funny for someone from the Party of God.

4) SOCIAL POLICY: Bush and Cheney have at every turn favored the rich and corporations, especially the oil companies and Military Industrial Complex, over the people. They and the GOP want into your bedrooms, your churches, your classrooms and your bodies. Obama has read the Declaration of Independence and US constitution, McCain either has not, or like Bush has chosen to ignore it. Gays and women have civil and legal rights even if you disagree with them, which Obama recognizes and McCain does not. This makes McCain unacceptable. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

5) PRIVACY AND CIVIL LIBERTIES: Bush and Cheney illegally spy on Americans. They torture. And they were evil in the name of 'security' from bogeymen. They should be in jail pure and simple - they are traitors and criminals. McCain supports them. This makes him unacceptable.

I disagree with Obama and the Democrats on a whole host of issues, especially their desire to bail out housing gamblers and failing bankers with taxpayer money. I disagree with them strongly on social security and health care. But McCain is unacceptable as a candidate in my view. If he wins, I will re-dedicate myself and this blog (or another) to opposing him. However, I don't fear that. I believe in the American people, I believe they understand they were conned these past eight years, that McCain is just as bad if not worse, and I believe they'll do the right thing come November.

This election is the most important election in the past 50 years, if not more.

America is in trouble. Your kids, their kids, their kids and their kids may come to hate you.

It's time to say no more. It's time to take a stand. Or it's time to wither away.




129 comments:

joe blow said...

Is nascar on this weekend?

Both canditates are sh@t face it.We have a couple more dopes to choose from.All they talk about is change as usual.Typical bullsh@t at election time.Healthcare and social security are a joke still.We are broke.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you and your comments about the silly things many people post...

Regarding consumption taxes - don't they favor those who are "better off" and hurt the poor? The poor spend more of their income on essentials. I was thinking a flat tax would make more sense.

Just asking...

Dog's eye

Anonymous said...

This is what I've been saying over and over again, Keith. I'm glad you're finally seeing past this pointless dog and pony show of Obama's and McCains.

It's all very simple. We need to restore the rule of law in this nation. The government ignores the rule of law : the Constitution. So the government is not held accountable by anybody. The executive branch is not held accountable by the Legislative branch, the Judicial branch or the media. The government is completely out of control.

9/11 and the "global war on terror" has been used as a convenient excuse to rob us of our God given and Constitutional freedoms. The only way we can get them back is by becoming an enlightened and mobilized citizenry.

We need to see the media for what it is : a corporate public relations arm.

We need to see the government for what it is: a bloated, corrupt government that serves the corporate interests, the elite and the lobby groups and puts the American people last.

We need to see beyond this false two party paradigm of Left/Right, Donkey/Elephant and Democrat/Republican.

As Ron Paul showed, the parties are both bankrupt and corrupt. We know how to reclaim America and our freedoms and that is via the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

But no Obama or McCain or knight in shining armor is going to do it for us. It's up to every citizen to get informed and get proactive. Leave these petty partisan loyalties behind and think of the future of your country, your children and your grandchildren!

truth said...

Keefer,
Blah blah blah.
You watch too much BBC!

Thee most important thing for our country is “ENERGY INDEPNDANCE”.

keith said...

1) I don't watch BBC. When I do I see it as the British government's propaganda machine. Their coverage of the situation in Georgia is shameful and propaganda even worse than Fox News in the US

2) A consumption tax would exclude food and energy and also have a rebate so that poor people would essentially pay no taxes. It will happen, the only question is when.

super sonic said...

Kweeferoni,

As a person we should always do the ‘right thing’ no matter what other people say or think.
Same goes for our nation.

We should never ever do things to ‘be liked’

I am very proud that we are ‘hated’ by those you refer!

Anonymous said...

None of it matters, period. The loss of our manufacturing base wasnt as important as the skills that were never transferred to the next generation. As an example, recently another coke plant closed, (only three to go). For you dunces, coke is used in the manufacturing of steel and various other alloys, not the stuff you put in your nose. Along with the closing and retirements went all the nuance's of making coke in that plant. We are at the point of no return, we couldnt mfr anything here if we wanted to. Im a retired electrical engineer and i have no desire to do anything for this country anymore, why should i, they want to pay kiddies wages for journeymen knowledge. So what if both guys running for president are clowns, the devil is in the details....
good luck to all of you in the comming social collapse.

Anonymous said...

super sonic,

so torturing innocent people is the "right thing"?

Different strokes I guess.

Anonymous said...

A consumption tax would exclude food and energy and also have a rebate so that poor people would essentially pay no taxes. It will happen, the only question is when.


A consumption tax is just another distraction. How would it address the out of control government spending? How would it address the trillions spent on illegal wars and the military industrial complex?

The answer is that it wouldn't. The cruelest tax of all is inflation and that is what is driving poor people to brink and wiping out the middle class.

Everyone needs to watch this very informative series of videos that clearly shows what is happening to the US economy:

Chris Martenson Crash Course

No consumption tax is going to solve these fundamental problems.

Anonymous said...

>HOUSING HAS CRASHED LIKE NEVER BEFORE.

Hugh... you list this as a bad thing, but actually it's a good thing, right?

Logic flaws Keith, logic flaws. I'm watching you! :)

FredE said...

How about: McCain's an idiot? It's both brainless and petty and yet a pretty good reason not to vote someone to be president.

Here's another one: McCain's one of the worst warhawks still in Congress in the 21st century, ensuring that a McCain presidency will mire the country in wars anywhere McCain sees something he doesn't like, ensuring in turn more and more printing presses chugging out ever-less-valued dollars and more and more national debt. Tack on his economic ineptitude and you have 4-8 years of EPIC FAIL. Which we already have, TYVM.

Anonymous said...

Greg Swann supports Bush and McCain

bitterrenter said...

I would vote for the candidate willing to verbally express what selfish, greedy, insurgent assholes conservatives are and who is willing to tell the truth about how conservatism has wrecked havoc on their lives. Then I would like for that candidate to encourage people to go out and burn conservatives from their homes and send them to Iraq as refugees to experience some of the hell that their leaders have put others through.

keith said...

Good catch.. in my defense, housing crashed like never before, but should never have gone up like never before before

Bush's "ownership society" i.e. "fake economy", combined with Greenspan's corruption and negligence, caused a historic bubble that is now collapsing

Feel better?

truth said...

Keefer,
I truly respect you for stating that you don’t watch BBC.

To me (and I believe many Americans) BBC represents European view of the world.
which is snot nosed self righteous ‘chocolate covered evil’.

you're a good man..

Anonymous said...

I love the fire in the belly of this blog!

super sonic said...

‘Anonymous said...
super sonic,
so torturing innocent people is the "right thing"?’

NO!
’Everyone agrees that torturing “innocent people” is a bad thing’

1)Torturing killers of “innocent people” to avoid further loss of life is a good thing.

2)You can argue whether we are doing the right thing or not, but certainly never ask us to change our ways for the purpose of ‘being liked’ by others.

sundry vermin said...

>A consumption tax is just another distraction. How would it address the out of control government spending?

Taxing and Spending are different issues. Almost like opposite sides of a coin. Jezz Louise! He said no idiot posts, remember?

Anonymous said...

Feel better? Yes, caught you on one!

:)

Anonymous said...

P.S. That's a happy smiley face, not a smug one.

Love the work you do here!

keith said...

I'd like to see income taxes abolished and a consumption tax that would only replace 50% of our current tax base.

The government needs to be starved.

Our troops need to be pulled out of every country on earth. Retirement age needs to be raised to 70 if not more. Federal employees need to be shown the door.

Our economy would rocket if people could keep what they earned, pure and simple.

We're at the tipping point folks. Time for some radical thinking. Yet I don't see a single politician, except for Ron Paul, speaking the truth.

Obama is acceptable. McCain is not. But we need more. Much much more.

Who will lead? And more importantly, will America let them?

Yoski said...

I hope McCain wins because it will surely drive this country over the edge. A nation that voted for the shrub twice deserves exactly that. Personally I won't vote 'cos I don't care enough one way or the other to waste my time on such nonsense. I also don't want my vote to give credibility to a process and a system I don't believe in.

Anonymous said...

One big dog and pony show, who wins doesn't matter anymore.

keith said...

"One big dog and pony show, who wins doesn't matter anymore."

Remember that when President McCain nominates someone far right of Thomas and Scalia

It matters. Don't believe people who tell you otherwise.

There's a million dead Iraqis and 4,000 dead Americans (and their families and friends) who probably think it matters now too...

Anonymous said...

"America, if that's the case, is doomed. Ignorance has taken over."

Yes, correct. America is doomed and dying. America is a metaphor for ignorance. Look around.

"I believe in the American people, I believe they understand they were conned these past eight years, that McCain is just as bad if not worse, and I believe they'll do the right thing come November."

Good for you. I do NOT believe in my fellow American people (the ones living here in America or those living abroad either), the sheeple 'doing the right thing in November' or in general America, period.

America could restore my faith by punishing the guilty immediately, beginning with the executive branch and reinstating the constitution and deporting each and every illegal alien regardless of race, color or creed back to the country of origin. Prosecute welfare cheats and corporate fraud on the government (Halliburton somehow comes to mind...)

Capital Penalty for repeat offenders, no appeals to be granted anyone. Company guilty? CEO goes to prison.

Time to clean up America?

Bring your own shovel...

sundry vermin said...

>Our troops need to be pulled out of every country on earth.

I understand Japan pays 75% of the cost of our forces there. They don't want to get screwed with and they know if we weren't there, that would be a possibility.

A deal like 75% (in my opinion) we can live with. Everywhere else, pack your gear.

Anonymous said...

Stick to housnig, Keith.

Paul E. Math said...

I am a Canadian living in the US and I cannot vote. So forgive me for sticking my nose where it may not belong but I live with the consequences of your collective decisions.

Yes, I could leave. And sometimes I really want to, like when Bush approved the housing bailout.

The most important issue is the economy - take care of that and the rest just about takes care of itself.

Neither candidate has an adequate grasp of economics and is doomed to failure as president. Their advisors either serve the monied interests or are arrogant do-gooders who think they know how to allocate resources better than the free markets.

So what's the answer? A new party with the core values of the Libertarian party but with a more moderate platform for transitioning to a smaller, humbler government offering greater personal freedoms.

The right choice said...

"None of it matters, period. The loss of our manufacturing base wasnt as important as the skills that were never transferred to the next generation. As an example, recently another coke plant closed, (only three to go). For you dunces, coke is used in the manufacturing of steel and various other alloys, not the stuff you put in your nose. Along with the closing and retirements went all the nuance's of making coke in that plant. We are at the point of no return, we couldnt mfr anything here if we wanted to. Im a retired electrical engineer and i have no desire to do anything for this country anymore, why should i, they want to pay kiddies wages for journeymen knowledge. So what if both guys running for president are clowns, the devil is in the details....
good luck to all of you in the comming social collapse."

Sir, I could not agree more! The REAL problem in this Country is that we have removed most of the incentive to be smart or accomplished. If you start a company, you will be regulated and taxed in to the ground. If you try to go to College, you have to pay crushing school debt for half your life. And if you go through school, and get hired, then you will be fired next year when some inexperienced jackass from India that can read a script or follow a manual replaces you for half the money. Quality is not a consideration in the "business model".

I remember shortly after the tech bubble collapse - there were IT people, scary smart IT people, that had to work at McDonalds and Walmart just to feed their families or service their school debt. Those same folks have since left the US and now work in Canada or Dubai getting paid 3 TIMES what they were here when they were working. They are happy, very happy. Smiling when they think of the mess they left behind in the ol' usa. Not only that, they don't have to worry about whether their health insurance is going to double, or they will get caught in another bubble.

Let's face it folks, not only is our money going overseas and being replaced by debt, our intelligence is too. Being systematically drained by the likes of marginalizing companies like WalMart.

Keith, you make some very good points, and that is why I am neither Republican or Democrat. However I vote for who I think will do a better job. Right now, Obama is the man for the job. McCain is too damaged and for the reasons you state, he is defective. Obama is seen as change. Not only because he is black (that should not make a difference, but it does), but because he comes from a background which is quite different from most of the people we have elected to that post in two decades.

Folks we have tried the vanilla candidates, with all the "right" money, "right family" etc. and look where it got us. A good ol' boys club of monumental failure. I would much rather try the self made man, who is not from a political family and has had life experience, rather than "political experience".

So far he is doing quite well, and that says a lot when he certainly does not fit the mold of the usual candidate.

Ibod said...

This country is in an irreversible downward slope in living standards as well as global importance.
The good old days are gone forever, never to return, as the Empire is eating its own and the ryling class is running unchecked.
Last one out, turn off the lights and as someone else once posted:

America...What a Great Country It Used to Be.

max_in_wa said...

On taxes -- tax rates are already very high when you throw in the social security/medicare 15.3% hit off the top.

15.3% + 28% = 43.3%.

Social Security, darling of the Democrats, is a flat tax. Why is SS an acceptable flat tax and other taxes aren't? (I'm not a republican BTW)

Anyway, throw in almost 9% sales tax on everything I buy in WA (except food), a B&O tax based on revenue, not profit, a "property tax" on personal property in my office like staplers, paper, etc. -- and it's a constant struggle for a person to get ahead. I've risked my life savings on my business, but government seems hell bent on making it as hard as possible to win. Fortunately, after five years I think I'm going to make it, IN SPITE of local, state, and federal governments' attempts to force me into corporate slavery.

bickerer said...

>One big dog and pony show, who wins doesn't matter anymore.

DUMB DUMB DUMB. Idol or a rerun of the Brady Bunch is on. Take off. Spend your time in a forum you can understand more 'thoroughly'.

Anonymous said...

It matters. Don't believe people who tell you otherwise.

There's a million dead Iraqis and 4,000 dead Americans (and their families and friends) who probably think it matters now too...


The point is that it doesn't matter who you vote for. Obama or McCain, neither one is going to stop American imperialism. Look at how Obama has backtracked already on FISA and as for Iraq he still hasn't committed to any kind of withdrawal. The last I heard he only wanted to transfer troops from Iraq to Afghanistan.

Obama is flanked by more of the same old Washington insiders: Brzezinski, Albright, Biden! (he's as Neocon as McCain).

You're just setting yourself up to be conned again.

The point is that we need to get out of this two party control mechanism that is owned and operated by the corporations and lobbies. Both of these clowns have professed their support for the defense of Israel as if it were a US state.

What has Obama said about the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the John Warner Defense Authorization Act??! Nothing.

Hope and Change, Oprah style emotional outpourings of personal experiences, glitzy Hollywood style back-patting events like the DNC seems to be enough to fleece the American public again.

Yeah, that's right, the corporatocracy is going to take you for one more ride around the block.

What did Pelosi say when activists shouted her down for the Democrats not ending the Iraq "war"? She said "vote for Obama to end the war". Outrageous! And it just goes to show how little respect the scum in Washington have for the American people.

Code Pink Slams McCain and Obama for Shift to Aghanistan

Anonymous said...

All Keith's yes-men rejoice.

1. Nazism did a lot of damage to Germans but no one goes around punching Germans in the face.

2. Regarding spying on citizens, Obama and the Democratic party voted along with Bushco on renewing the wire-tapping bill. Funny how you never mention that.

3. Promises, promises. The Messiah will cut tax on the poor and punish the "rich". Define rich, first. A doctor who went to medical school for 10 years, got a $300k student loan in order to graduate, has 2 kids, pays a ton of money in malpractice insurance (thanks to your boy John Edwards), lives in San Francisco or NYC, and earns $250k in gross income. According to Obama, this person is rich and should be punished. Does this person seem rich to you (only those with a brain need to answer).

4. Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac are Democrat party creations. So it's Social Security, public education, unions, food stamps, etc. Viva el socialismo Obama! We're rich beatch, let's pump another 20 million illiterate illegals into the US so the Democratic party can have lot of voters to elect crooks, while forcing the middle-class pay for all their welfare programs.

Keith, you forgot to mention two major major major priorities on these elections, according to your Messiah and the Democratic party: Helen Degeneres getting married and the right of lazy and irresponsible sluts to shoot dead fetus out their vaginas as a sport.

Anonymous said...

Keith, if you're so certain that your boy Obama will win, you don't have to worry about it. Right? According to you, it's a slam dunk, right? So why bother trying to convince people that they should vote for Obama. According to you, it's a done deal, right? Right?

Anonymous said...

The American people have been kept in the dark and systematically lied to for decades by the government and media controlled by the military industrial complex and corporate elite:

Information Clearing House: War With Russia Is On The Agenda

So who can blame American's for being stupid and voting for these dolts over and over again?

Anonymous said...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"



Keith, do you REALLY believe this SHIT!!!! Come now man, we all know that blacks, etal, did not have the same "rights" as WASP's. Your living in dream land...

Anonymous said...

Gee, lets see... we are 53T in debt because why? Oh, thats right, welfare and other New Deal DEMOCRAP entitlements that were pushed onto the people.

Anonymous said...

The right choice said...


OMFG!!!!!! Yea ,you got one thing right - Obamanation is all about change, and that is the only thing you will have left when he gets done with this country!!!!!

Lost Cause said...

Gee, only five things?

Anonymous said...

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SLAM the 'F'ing borders closed!

Make death row an assembly line

Cut the taxes

Make the illegals....illegal

No welfare or health care or free education for the wetbacks!

BOMB Iran back to the stone age..
I'll realize their already there!

Jail Al Gore, Pelosi, Reid, Obama
and every other tree huggin liberal Bast!

Have a nice day!

.

Pay Lay Ale 666 said...

"WE'RE $53 TRILLION F*CKING DOLLARS IN DEBT"

And the messiah will make that better by EXPANDING entitlements, right?

"WE'VE LOST OUR MANUFACTURING BASE"

This has been going on for nearly 40 years now and we're still the largest exporter in the world.

"OUR FOREIGN POLICY IS AN UNPRECEDENTED DISASTER"

I can think of worse. Like the Treaty of Versailles which lead to WWII. Or FDR giving away eastern europe to stalin.

"OUR CURRENCY IS WORTHLESS"

Compared to what? Euros? Pounds? Europe's housing and economy are starting to crash too, making their fundamentals not much better than the US and the dollar.

Currencies don't float, they sink at differing rates.

"HOUSING HAS CRASHED LIKE NEVER BEFORE"

Living in London Keither, you should know that this bubble is global.

"we've invaded sovereign nations on false pretenses"

And Obama voted to continue funding the occupation.

"McCain sees Alito, Scalia and Thomas as model justices for the Supreme Court"

So who are your model justices, Keither? Ginsburg, Breyer, and Stevens? Those marxist scumbags?

"McCain wants to give the rich another tax cut. Obama wants to give the middle class and poor a tax cut"

More marxist class warfare BULLSHIT and your assessment is not even accurate.

"It's immoral to put the burden of taxes on the people who can least afford it."

What the hell? The poor don't pay taxes in this country. The top 50% pay 97% of all income taxes with the top 1% paying 39% of all income taxes.

"Gays and women have civil and legal rights even if you disagree with them, which Obama recognizes and McCain does not"

Since when is McCain a big homophobe and sexist????

"They should be in jail pure and simple - they are traitors and criminals. McCain supports them."

And so does Obama. Obama voted for the Patriot Act extension and the FISA act. They're both traitors.

Anonymous said...

We are at a tipping point, and it matters not which waterboy fronts the show.

Something wicked this way comes. All the wealth has been drained out; there is nothing left but $60TRILLION+ of clearly unpayable debt.

Pay Lay Ale 666 said...

"A consumption tax would exclude food and energy and also have a rebate so that poor people would essentially pay no taxes."

Then that would be an effective tax increase on the poor since they have a negative tax burden under the current system with the EITC.

"It will happen, the only question is when."

Hahahahahahaha.

No it won't. You think the politicians and the government will give up the power to implement social policy via taxes? Do you think they'll give up the ability to campaign on soaking the rich?

"Bush's "ownership society" i.e. "fake economy", combined with Greenspan's corruption and negligence, caused a historic bubble that is now collapsing"

The bubble started under Clinton and the Repugnent congress giving capital gains exemptions of $250,000 per person for housing gains in 1997.

"Remember that when President McCain nominates someone far right of Thomas and Scalia"

Why would McCain do that? McCain is nowhere near far right. McCain is pretty much a pre-1960s democrat.

"The government needs to be starved."

"Our economy would rocket if people could keep what they earned, pure and simple."

And yet you want Obama to soak the rich to give our corrupt and evil government more money to fund military adventures, housing gambler bailouts, illegal aliens, and welfare queens?

"We're at the tipping point folks. Time for some radical thinking."

Marxism is not change we can believe in.

"Yet I don't see a single politician, except for Ron Paul, speaking the truth."

And you're an Obama cult member. Why vote for a giant douche over a turd sandwich?

Devestment said...

Think about it.

Consumption tax punishes and discourages consumption.

People will consume less. (openly)

Your taxable consumption will be tracked by balancing your savings against your income. Consumption plus savings equals income.

Much of the economy will be driven underground. For it to be even moderately effective we will have to go cashless. In that event our every move will be tracked. Not only will you live in a slave state, your King will know exactly where you buy gas, food, clothes and shelter.

Just look at what happens when the government promotes consumption or borrowing and reverse it.

Voting in this election is a joke designed to give the illusion of freedom.

We are not free. The product of our labor is taken from us. By definition that is slavery. It might be different if government was limited to basic protection and organization by and for the people.

But it is not.

moretroops said...

I just look at each candidate's heart, and then I know. Bush was a man of the Lord!!!! I'm tired of libs complaining about Mr. Bush after Clinton brought so much shame on our nation!

Wow. That was cool. I was pretendin' to be a redbludded 'Merican there for a second. I feel dumber now.

If Obama loses this election it is, truly, a sad day for America. Our country is dumb, yes, I realize that -- but this would just be too much. We'd enter into the "we deserve it" realm.

C'mon flyover hicks, wake up. Stop voting against your own GD interests.

Lady Di said...

I tried, but I can't get behind either one of these guys.

I'll vote libertarian or vote for the guy RP endorses (if he does).

God I feel sorry for my kids.

Devestment said...

So what's the answer? A new party with the core values of the Libertarian party but with a more moderate platform for transitioning to a smaller, humbler government offering greater personal freedoms.

Three cheers for CANADA!

Reality said...

Keith,

There is only one real issue: taxation, both the explicit kind and the implicit kind (inflation).

When the federal government is starved of money, it won't be able to engage in foreign misadventures. There won't be "foreign aid" programs for foreign countries to fight over in the lobbies DC. There won't be money to hire so many government agents to spy on Americans. Regardless what the Supreme Court decides, there won't be federal bureacrats to get in the way between people and their doctors or drug dispensers (on either drugs or abortion). All the ills that we see today eminate from the government's power to tax and spend with abandon, to the detriment of all Americans.

Since our money is reduced to worthlessness, we don't have "the rich" any more. We only have "the powerful," just like the former communist countries. Power is not taxable; the ones with real political power make laws to reduce their own tax bill to nothingness. What's left are the so-called "rich" who have no power and are being victimized by the regime. The irony is that the so-called "rich" otherwise would have spent the money on hiring some poor in the local economy, now they have to send the money to the powerful in DC instead. And the poor and middle class are left wondering why their lot is getting worse and worse.

As much as I think a consumption tax would help raise savings rate, it will probably be a regressive tax as the poor spend a higher per centage of their income on consumption (hence staying poor). What's needed is a flat rate tax, so that everyone who votes can feel what tax is. That will reduce tax rate to the minimum in a big hurry. Otherwise, the manipulation of envy pitting one group of citizens against another foist high taxes on "the rich" only leads to destroying employment opportunities for the not the so rich, and eventually with inflation and government nonsense statistic the tax rate for "the rich" will snag just about everyone.

Also, employer withholding requirement should be abolished. So that employees can see just how much of their income is ripped off by the government every year . . . instead of seeing the refund check as some kind of gift from the government.

Anonymous said...

Obama is black, McCain is white.

White people brought the protestant work ethic to America and built this great country.

We Americans do not like black people. They are short-term thinkers, steal cash now, hustle, be lazy, live off the gov.

Likewise Mexicans are not lazy but incable of building social institutions because they are catholics. They only organizations they can build are mafias (family based) crime families. The Mexican government is basically a crime family. The opposition is a competing crime family.

Reality said...

Keith,

Consumption tax is a terrible idea: it's regressive, not to mention what constitutes consumption? what's investment? Is a bottle of asprin consumption? How about a doctor's visit? If that is, what about taking a course to be your own doctor, by extension all education? Is buying a loaf of bread consumption? How about a bread machine? How about a bread factory that churns out ten thousand loaves a day? It's impossible to draw the lines . . . monopolistic government bureacrats are singularly unfit to draw those lines in the vast grey span that the free market is adept at handling.

Exemptions would only make it even worse. If we exempt food and energy but not clothing and cars, then people will have an incentive to turn up the thermostat instead of putting on sweaters, not to mention keeping junky gas hogs running instead of buying new fuel efficient cars. Exempting all life's necessities would only lead to a ridiculously high rate for the rest . . . so high that tax cheating will be rampant (just like mail order cigarettes).

All those choices about what to buy and how to invest should be free market decisions, rewarded and punished by resource availability at any given moment on a real time basis. Government policies to skew in favor of one kind of consumption/investment instead of another would only lead to waste . . . a classic example would be the ethanol fuel debacle that we just witnessed in the last decade. It takes the government forever to respond to market conditions (too much corn too little gas in the 90's); by the time the law is in place, the condition on the ground is entirely different.

Line Properties LLC said...

1. ABORTION. Criminalize it.
2. WELFARE. Abolish it.
3. IMMIGRATION. Deport EVERY illegal alien, now. Seal the borders.
4. GUN RIGHTS. Uphold the 2nd amendment with NO exceptions.
5. MORAL RELATIVISM. To hell with it. We need to put the 10 Commandments back into our lives.

Thus I favor McCain. But I have no great hopes for any positive changes.
Barack Hussein Obama would be the final nail in the USA's coffin.

FlyingMonkeyWarrior said...

Obama's plan; 45% death tax to pay down national debt.
Just posting.

Reality said...

I may not like some of Thomas' legal opinions, but any Supreme Court Justice who does not party with the DC establishment is a good justice in my book. DC establishement hates him because he is against the expansion of federal power.

FlyingMonkeyWarrior said...

http://tinyurl.com/6kr72g

America the Free.
Short Protest footage from DNC.
Must View if you want to see Big Brothers Police Power.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 26,2008 11:26 PM. YOU ARE SPOT ON!!! Protests, letter writing, and even voting is not correcting this totally corrupt government. They are all in the lobbyist's/corporation's pockets, even the "great hope for change" Obama. Keith, I agree with the issues you discussed , but our politicians are all well scripted liars. They will talk the talk, but not walk the walk. Their corporate sponsers will not keep them in office if they don't do their bidding. We the People are screwed. I keep reading blogs like yours for insights on how we can take our country/economy/world back from this stranglehold these evil doers have placed on us. I have hope, but not through any f$#king politician. It is the Citizenry that has to take it back. I feel like this is our "Trail of Tears". I weep for EVERY LIVING SENTIENT BEING and PLANT that are on the road to extinction/torture. I am totally disgusted with the people put before us as choices for us to choose as president and vp. Why must we always have to choose between the lessor of two evils? When can we choose from the better of two goods?

Anonymous said...

Too, too late. Much too late. Your partisanship, while understandable, is indicative of the fact that you're still silly enough to make a distinction between one party and another. Both are equally worthless and populated by ideologues, fools, and hacks.

The terrible thing about democracy is that we get the kind of government we deserve. The West is dying, and "America" has fallen victim to the dumbing-down process that accelerated sharply during the first Bush administration.

We are so screwed.

SUFFERING BRAINSTEMS said...

Remember brainstems, the countries with small, ineffective governments are third world shitholes. The big government countries are civilized and prosperous. Like we used to be before the conservatives destroyed it from within. Read The Wrecking Crew by Thomas Frank. If you can read, that is.

But you can't expect brainstems to know that stuff or believe it. All they know is the grunts and belches that emit from their bloated, corpulent, useless bodies as they clamor for a first world culture that runs on air.

Carioca Canuck said...

1)The world should respect and fear America. The US should strive to always be the predominant military and economic power on the planet. Notice how I put military first ? Manifest destiny baby. If you don't fear us, respect us, and cooperate with us, or we will crush you like the Europeans that you are. Period.

2) With #1 accomplished the rest of the shit you whine about will fall into line.

Seriously......read your history books.

3)Liberals are the pallbearers of societies. Unnacountable human trash. Eradicate liberalism. I am not talking about gulags here either.......just so you little snivelling whiners dressed in Obama T-shirts won't pee your plaid short pants.

Anonymous said...

"You can argue whether we are doing the right thing or not, but certainly never ask us to change our ways for the purpose of ‘being liked’ by others."

Hey Bro-

I don't think you are getting the point by what you just said above.

The problem is the fact we don't really want the change. America hate change! We love our ways too much! Our holidays every 2 to 3 months we have a holiday so we can get stupid drunk at some party or club or get high on whatever we chose! The cops look at this as pay day for them with the road blocks. Everyone in america has to drive a car somewhere! Public transportation is for poor people! Never gettin a date with a bus pass! Gettin a date in E55 though every weekend! Oohh whoops I mean gettin me a date with my ford 250 super duty with a 3" lift and 44" mickeys! You dumb redneck everyone knows the 4 door silverado with the biggest V8 engine available so I can go to Walmart is the better choice! GOOOOOOOO! Bowtie!!!!!! USa , Usa Usa, thank you Micheal Phelps for showing up at the olympics and making us proud of something! DeWade showed up against spain is another example of american excellence! The sheep still love baseball!!!! How can this be? They have been shaming the game since they were in high school so they can get to miami or texas! Thanks texas for Roger Clemans and the Bush Clan! Can't wait for football so I can take my mind off things and drink some beer! Football starts on labor day this year !! Why ratings!!! Commercials! Sometimes my spelling sucks but deal with it Ok! My point is we do not like change which is ironic because we swear change is what we really want but are not ready to deal with it. So it is easier to not do anything at all and let what happens happens. Fuck it who cares! Nascar is on now pass the blunt! GO JR!!!!!!!

RIch In FL

vanilla ice said...

A consumption tax makes total sense. Why tax the good things, like businesses, incomes, and investments? And then we go out and place much smaller taxes on consumption. If we're going to have taxes why not make them so they encourage the good and discourage the bad? Encourage investment in things that add to productivity and quality of life, discourage mindless consumption. We're doing the complete opposite!

I know this won't even register as an issue to most people, but our transportation system needs serious help. It's been in a disastrous state of differed maintenance since the 1970's. Cars are the default solution for getting around. For the most part we haven't built anything new, except for roads for sprawling suburbs for the last 30 years, but the population is almost twice as large.

vanilla ice said...

Oh and I forgot:

Let's dissolve the IRS, HUD, Federal Reserve, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac.

WTF1920 said...

Our county is doomed. People will never wake up.

But even if they ALL woke up tomorrow, it would still be too late.

Even if Ron Paul were president for 8 whole years, it would not recover the damage that has been done.

This little experiment we call "freedom" has failed. America has failed. THE HUMAN RACE HAS FAILED!!

The thing is, why can't we just admit it? Why can't we just admit, that people don't want freedom? Oh, sure, we might fight the ocassional war over it. But it's never long before we end up in the same socialist/communist pile of shit! People are heard animals, that's all I can say.

The fact is, there are very few real men and real woman out there; the rest are animals.

ksfq said...

Seems like some of us think that torturing is acceptable. And I believe there is at least 50% people in US who think that is ok.

Oh well ... I believe nothing will change until we don't get Hitler for president and few millions are transported to concentrations camps (few Muslims who survived, Mormons, Catholics, Mexicans, ...).

Only after that we can have the Second American Revolution.

Anonymous said...

super sonic,

but the US has tortured innocent people, which you declare as the "right thing".

Maher Arar from Canada being the canonical example. Murat Kurnaz from Germany.

Plus most of the prisoner released from Gitmo (after all if they had been killing innocent people, why release them???)

Anonymous said...

Well said.

Rom said...

For me:

Foreign Policy, Fiscal Policy, Civil Liberties and Freedom of Religion.

Basically I'm with Ron Paul all the way except for abortion.

With Obama, I think we have a better shot getting away from huge military spending and huge spending in general since everyone is always on the Democrats ass about spending while the Republicans get a free pass.

I also think that with Obama I've got a better shot of legalized "vice" and less money going to state-sponsored religion.

Of course I can't listen to Obama because every time he speaks he spends more of our imaginary money. I guess if I have to get robbed it might as well go to a lot of poor Americans than a few rich ones.

Anonymous said...

Hundreds of years ago, Europe exported its destructive, unsustainable culture to a fresh new continent. America's greatness is a product of the conversion of this virgin continent into wasteland.

Globalization enabled us to temporarily export the destruction, but as fossil fuels decline, globalism will fail and the conversion to wasteland will resume with a vengeance.

Anonymous said...

I just heard Hillary Clinton at th Dem Convention....

BAD CHOICE AMERICA. You just ignored the better candidate !

How can a nation be so stupid and fall for the invented candidate, Obama?

Hillary was the one damn it !

post-election vengeance said...

1) Accountability

2) Accountability

3) Accountability

4) ACCOUNTABILITY!!

(....)

NOTHING should be "off the table" when it comes to holding Bushco and it's cronies ACCOUNTABLE for their relentless and widespread criminal activities...

Anonymous said...

So according to the IRS, in 2006, latest records posted...

The bottom 50% of Adjusted gorss income earners paid just 3% of total federal income taxes. 3%! Listening to your socialist drivel you would think they were paying 50%! Half of the people who have the right to vote pay almost no fucking taxes, of course they want to line up with the other socialists and vote in their bretheren...

The top 10% paid a total of 70.8% of total taxes.

Guess what, that top 10% created most of the friggin jobs in the country also. So let's take the Obama plan and tax the shit out of that same group so they can cut employment and send 4-5 million of the bottom 50% to the unemployment line so that the government can take care of them.

You will derserve what you get, oh that's right Keith does not matter you don't live here anymore, so what do you care.

Happyrenter said...

@bitterrenter
I would vote for the candidate willing to verbally express what selfish, greedy, insurgent assholes conservatives are and who is willing to tell the truth about how conservatism has wrecked havoc on their lives. Then I would like for that candidate to encourage people to go out and burn conservatives from their homes and send them to Iraq as refugees to experience some of the hell that their leaders have put others through.

This is precisely the problem. This is why liberalism is so damn scary to normal folks. We want to be left alone, YOU want to go out and kill one group. So did Hitler, so does the KKK, so did Milosevic. So did Saddam. For the good of all, your type needs to be stopped, and that is why Conservatism is so important, and why it won't go away. Even a whiff that we as a nation could spawn something like you guarantees Conservatism's continued success, if only to stop people like you.

PS: Dick

Anonymous said...

I'd like to see income taxes abolished and a consumption tax that would only replace 50% of our current tax base.

The government needs to be starved.

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well, the government won't starve under obama. his tax increases will just go to increase the size of the beast.

Anonymous said...

If Obama loses this election it is, truly, a sad day for America. Our country is dumb, yes, I realize that -- but this would just be too much. We'd enter into the "we deserve it" realm.

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no, democrats are dumb for nominating a candidate who is struggle to win against a republican!

and then the idiot goes and chooses biden!

amazing.

Anonymous said...

The top 10% paid a total of 70.8% of total taxes.

Guess what, that top 10% created most of the friggin jobs in the country also. So let's take the Obama plan and tax the shit out of that same group so they can cut employment and send 4-5 million of the bottom 50% to the unemployment line so that the government can take care of them.

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Oh, but it gets much better... the bottom 5 percent pay no taxes but yet receive a tax refund! Obama wants to increase the number who pay no taxes but receive a tax refund anyway!

Anonymous said...

I also think that with Obama I've got a better shot of legalized "vice" and less money going to state-sponsored religion.

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are all obama lovers idiots? Obama has stated several times that he wants to INCREASE federally funded faith based programs!

this is from july 08, google it yourself:

"A week after Senator Obama and his campaign descended upon Eastside Community Ministries in Zanesville, Ohio, where Obama delivered his controversial remarks calling for an expansion of federal funding to faith-based ministries that deliver social services, I head to Zanesville to see if its churches share the Senator's vision."

Anonymous said...

Are you a complete idiot? defining consumption is pretty easy. Here I will help you out:




"Consumption tax is a terrible idea: it's regressive,"

and income tax is not? All taxes are regressive moron.


" not to mention what constitutes consumption?"
Here Sparky, i will help you out

" what's investment?"
an investment is anything you buy that you hope to use to directly make more money. The IRS has had this one figured out for a long time.


" Is a bottle of asprin consumption? "
Yes. duh. How could buying a bottle of aspirin not be consumption?

"How about a doctor's visit? "

What are you smoking? most office visits are a SERVICE, unless you are Hannibal lechter.


"If that is, what about taking a course to be your own doctor, by extension all education? "
Tuition is a service but books would be consumption.


"Is buying a loaf of bread consumption?"

Yes. you may choose to eat it or throw it away but end the end it is "consumed"

" How about a bread machine? "

Most certainly you have consumed (removed from the market) the bread machine.

"How about a bread factory that churns out ten thousand loaves a day?"
if you can consume a bread machine then you can consume a factory full of bread machines.


" It's impossible to draw the lines"

No, it is quite easy to draw the lines. the complicated part (which really isn't all that complicated) is deciding what consumables should be taxed. Clearly the necessities of life should not be taxed, food, shelter, medicine.


BTW, 48 states and the liberal holy land (europe) has gotten the consumption tax figured out. It is called a sales tax and in europe it is quite high 20+ percent. Most do not tax groceries but they do tax dining out. Pretty simple stuff, it is not rocket science.


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You know, I think we are a lost cause.

Anonymous said...

Keith, if you're so certain that your boy Obama will win, you don't have to worry about it. Right? According to you, it's a slam dunk, right? So why bother trying to convince people that they should vote for Obama. According to you, it's a done deal, right? Right?

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Clearly, Keith realizes that obama is struggling and that it is not a for sure thing. Keith won't admit it but deep down he realizes that with each passing day it looks more and more like McLoser will win.

Obama is trying to talk out of both sides of his mouth. You can't do that for long before even idiots start catching on (or perhaps they just get confused which makes them distrustful).

Anonymous said...

"America, if that's the case, is doomed. Ignorance has taken over."



and the f-ing liberals, democrats, and socialists have killed it. they are responsible for the dumbing down of america, it all started with FDR and his socialist programs.

Anonymous said...

Why do you obama morons think he will do anything about "spying"? didn't he just vote for the latest legislation to protect companies who assist the government with illegal spying?

WTF?

Obama wants to increase forces in Afghanistan. what are you morons thinking?

WTF?


Obama wants to increase federal funding of faith base initiatives that Bush started.

WTF?

dudelero said...

keith,
you are right on some of those issues.
a consumption tax would favor the rich.
also, obama is not likely to cut government funding of social programs that got us into this kind of debt.
i still do not know who i will be voting for. both candidates favor amnesty for illegal aliens, which for me is an important issue. this country needs more unity. diveristy without unity means rodney king like riots.

Anonymous said...

- Low taxes and low spending. I don't need or want the government providing anything for me other than the essentials...roads, police, fire, militart, etc. I don't need or want "free" health care or any other "free" service that I can provide myself.

- Let me own a gun. No, I don't need to own an uzi, but if I want to buy a handgun I don't want to have to ask for permission from a govt bureaurcat and wait 6 months before being able to buy a gun.

- A foreign policy that doesn't reflexively blame America first. America ain't perfect but it's not the devil some make it out to be either.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to see income taxes abolished and a consumption tax that would only replace 50% of our current tax base.

The government needs to be starved.

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Then what it God's name are you doing supporting Obama? Have you read any of his proposals, that is aside from bringing hope to change and chane to hope? He wants to increase spending the likes of which would make LBJ blush.

I don't get you Keith, I really don't man.

bitterrenter said...

Look at the brainstems argue over how to reduce taxes. It's like asking the Pope to figure out a way to let teens have sex without getting pregnant. You brainstems HATE taxes, simply HATE paying to support your country. You think a first rate, first world country runs on air. You're the reason we're in this mess.

PS to Happy Renter:

BOO!

Anonymous said...

Tax and Spend Liberals vs. Spend and Spend Republicans

Great.

keyser soze said...

Anonymous said...
None of it matters, period. The loss of our manufacturing base wasnt as important as the skills that were never transferred to the next generation. As an example, recently another coke plant closed, (only three to go). For you dunces, coke is used in the manufacturing of steel and various other alloys, not the stuff you put in your nose. Along with the closing and retirements went all the nuance's of making coke in that plant. We are at the point of no return, we couldnt mfr anything here if we wanted to. Im a retired electrical engineer and i have no desire to do anything for this country anymore, why should i, they want to pay kiddies wages for journeymen knowledge. So what if both guys running for president are clowns, the devil is in the details....
good luck to all of you in the comming social collapse.

August 26, 2008 11:46 PM

Well stated...I wrote in a thread earlier that my brother was a tool and die maker, and can make anything. He has 2 sons and neither one can touch their ass with their hands.
We are so f*cked if our only exports are coal and ag products...and we lose the knowledge of our thingmakers. Can you say Banana Republic?

BubbleGirl said...

Keith,

You need to go mainstream with what you just wrote; it might actually convince the stupid ass people in this country. I wish I had a way to get you heard by everyone.
I can't tolerate "conservatives" and I can't stand crazy liberals. I am in the middle with intellect, compassion and common sense and I feel hopeless in this f'd up country.
What you wrote is exactly how I feel but was not good in articulating.

Thank you.

Rom said...

are all obama lovers idiots? Obama has stated several times that he wants to INCREASE federally funded faith based programs!

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It's about the judges. Period.

And don't call me a Obama lover. I don't even like the guy. I'm a George W. Bush hater.

LibVet said...

So-called conservatives, incensed by Bill Clinton's peccadilloes elected the Worst President Ever. Now, in 2008, they are going to vote for McCain the adulterer.

How, you may ask, can they rationalize this disconnect? The same way that they rationalize ever increasing debt for the sake of low taxes.

Rush and his ilk have painted a dream world for these people. Is there really a 6 month wait to buy a handgun? Nope. But there is a 6 month wait in the dream world. And the funny thing is that the poster above knews there is no such thing when he wrote his post. I bought a Glock not long ago and the whole transaction took 30 minutes.

Another poster pretends to be self-sufficient in the extreme. He's living in the dream world.

When he takes a flight, does he provide his own air traffic control? When he buys gasoline, does he take along his own measuring vessel, so he can be sure he's getting a full gallon for his money? How about the SEC? How about the FDA? Does he have his own lead paint testing kit to keep his kids safe from Chinese toys? Does he test his own beef when he gets it home from the grocery store?

A list of such things would be long indeed.

In the dream world Obama is a Muslim double super secret agent for Al-Quida. In the dream world Obama, a kid raised by his single mother and his grandparents is an elitist. John McCain's old lady has 100 million bucks, a private jet and a half dozen houses, but Obama is the elitist. Obama is the Anti-Christ. Obama is an angry black man who will wreak vengeance on whites, except for, well, you know, his Mom and the grandparents who raised him. Good grief.

In the dream world, John McCain's character does not matter.

keyser soze said...

1) paying off the 9T national debt w/ 1T of annual surpluses the next 9years. Yes, this means cutting government expenditures and raising taxes.
2) abolish SSA and raise SSI age limits to 75...and limit total payout to amount paid in + 3% interest.
3) abolish major medicare expenses for anyone over 75.
4) 100% energy independence.
5) 100% food independence.
6) Cease all tax-funded employees retirement benefits.This firemen, policemen, and military, 20 and out bullshit, has to stop. Welcome to the real world.

Well, this is a good start.

NONE OF THE ABOVE said...

It is obvious we have another Obama worshipping blog here.

Instead of seeing the fact that BOTH PARTIES ARE SCREWING US OVER, you resort to Obama worshipping.

It is BOTH PARTIES who signed legislation making our manufacturing base disappear. It is BOTH parties running up the national tab.

But only Bush is evil. Only Cheney is evil. Only McLame is evil.

Stop it already. The two party system is a failure, and everyone knows it but you.

Stop the duopoly, and let other voices in.

Anonymous said...

There are no solutions in politics, just a bunch of marketers and panderers, but the way that Americans reduce every issue into a left vs. right argument (my dog is better than your dog) is just depressing and scary. There is no hope that we can ever think our way out of the nightmare that we have allowed to happen here, because we just can't think well anymore.

I am not worried about terrorists under my bed, but my fellow Americans scare the hell out of me. It makes me feel better to know that we have guns at home just in case.

I don't care if you are a brainstem or a mommycrat, when the economy goes total Code Red (and it is coming sooner than you think) if you come to our house with your blame game insane politics we will shoot first and take names later.

JaneZ

curtstest said...

Yes, we're in trouble. But IMHO it has very little to do with the leaders we've elected and very much to do with the way that VAST majority of us have tried to live. Take a look in the mirror, America, and change your lifestyle before it's too late. No candidate can do much to solve our economic problems when we're bent on overconsumption. And America's economic problems are the real ones to be concerned about. America's image abroad will get a huge boost when Bush leaves, no matter who replaces him. The Iraq conflict, I think, will continue to resolve itself under McCain or Obama. And I predict that the foreign policies of the next President elsewhere (either McCain or Obama) will not be much different than those of the George W. Bush of the last 2 years (although very much different than the Bush of 2001-2006). This election is much less important than the need for a collective self-evaluation about who we are and whether we're willing to mortgage our children for granite countertops, two-sink master bathrooms, quick flipping money, and a new SUV. And it's not only the rich or Republicans who are to blame.

And Alito and Roberts are fine nominees to the Supreme Court. There's nothing extreme about them. What is extreme is the continued insistence that the Constitution somehow explicitly guarantees the right to an abortion.

Anonymous said...

Russia is on the rebound. Putin is still in control. New threats on placing missles in Cuba. McCain vs Russia we win. Hillary vs Russia we win. Obama vs Russia we lose. I have not seen so much of Carter since 1980. I do not trust Obama and his Black Liberation Theology Church of 20 years. McCain 2008. Hillary 2012. God Bless America.

charles said...

EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED, UP TO THIS POINT, IS A PART OF A PLANNED PERFECT (LIFE ALTERING) STORM----EXTREME PSYCHOLOGY BUT VERY SIMPLE
1.CREATE SERIOUS PROBLEMS
2.WAIT FOR A REACTION
3.PROPOSE A 1 SIDED SOLUTION (ONE THAT BENIFITS OUR OWNERS (THE ENLIGHTENED ONES -ELITE -SELF-SERVING OWNERS -OF COURSE, HIDE THE TRUTH-DEAL WITH IT WHEN IT IS EXPOSED

POWER CORUPTS.
ABSOLUTE POWER.....CORUPTS ABSOLUTELY - HISTORY IS CORRECT- LOOK AT THE REAL INTENTION OF OUR OWNERS - IT IS NOT GOOD - TO MUCH DIVERSION FROM THE IMPORTANT ISSUES THAT WE FACE (SOMETHING TO KEEP US BUSY ---TREAT THEM LIKE CHATTEL.)

THE CANDITATES ARE PUT IN PLACE TO GIVE US THE IMPRESSION THAT WE HAVE A CHOICE - WE DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE.

WHEN WILL WE WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!

Reality said...

ex-bitterrenter,

"Remember brainstems, the countries with small, ineffective governments are third world shitholes."

You have it exactly backwards, the third world shitholes all have very big and intrusive governments for the size of their economies. What do you think make the poor citizenry in those countries worship their "Great Leaders"? The complete and total government control over every single aspect of civil life!

"The big government countries are civilized and prosperous."

Really? How civlized and prosperous is North Korea? where there's not only "free medicine," but also "free food," and "free education." In other words, the government bureacrats decide what doctors you can see (if at all), how many calories of food you can have for the week (don't worry about what cut of beef those calories will come from, beef is for the great Socialist Democratic Party officials only) . . . and yes, you will learn just enough literacy to read the party propaganda. Also, no, you can't see your boyfriend; if either of you come out of the closet at all, it's re-education through hard labor for both of you . . . see, your body belongs to the People's Democratic Republic, and it should be used for procreating more young socialists; none of your western corrupt bougeouse individualist alternative life style is allowed!

"Like we used to be before the conservatives destroyed it from within."

Are you from the former soviet union? What you are describing sure ain't the United States as we know it.

Reality said...

Vanilla Ice,

Very much agree with you on abolishing FED, IRS and all the assortment of government agencies that are designed to distort the market place.

Also agree with you in principle on the need to encourage saving/investment vs. consumption. However, creating more government bureacracy to administer the consumption tax is not the way to do it; this new kind of government meddling will result in endless fights over what constitutes consumption: Is a sweater a consumption item vs. an investment for reducign energy bill? Is a new energy efficient car a consumption item or an investment for future gas savings? What constitutes an energy efficient car? A subcompact that saves 50 gallons in a year over another subcompact or pickup/minivan that saves 200 gallons in a year over another pickup/minivan? The political machination will be endless.

There is a very simple solution to encourage savings/investment vs. consumption right: abolishing the FED and let interest rate be set by the free market place. Interest rate is in effect the time value of saving vs. consumption. Every one has their own time value preference. The sole purpose of FED is placing a cap on the time value of money thereby artificially reducing the time value . . . punishing the savers and rewarding the spenders in the process. The Federal Reserve and rate depressing power plus its various "windows" to lend out money at a pittance is the reason why saving has been punished and consumption has been rewarded in this country.

Anonymous said...

1) FOREIGN POLICY
2) SUPREME COURT: McCain sees
3) TAXES: McCain wants to give the
4) SOCIAL POLICY: Bush and Cheney
5) PRIVACY AND CIVIL LIBERTIES


NO NO NO NO NO!!!

Your list is ALL WRONG!

The very most important issues for the country are:

1) Flag pins.
2) Funny middle names that scare us.
3) Not letting anyone run for office who uses the word "articulate", or is articulate.
4) Keeping gays out of government jobs, families, and everything else (except Republican Congress and Catholic Priesthood.)
5) Keeping science and health education out of schools (and featuring religious education in schools.)
6) Tax benefits and lifestyle protection for the rich.
7) Killing most other people in case they might someday think about maybe planning to possibly try to kill us.
8) Opening up our national parks and other wild areas to every corporate exploitation we can think of--and providing tax payer money to incentivise the exploitation.


WOW you are out of touch!!!!

Lee said...

Biden wrote and sponsored VAWA and VAWA 2005, along with IMBRA 2005.

The man will increase the laws restricting men's freedoms, and give women carte blanche to do anything. This will accelerate the destruction of the American Family as we move closer to a matriarchy.

McCain will continue Bush's policies.

Obama will put in place 3 leftist SCOTUS appointees.

So we have more war and family friendly SCOTUS rulings, or men take it on the chin, the war ends, and SCOTUS moves to the left again.

Agent 99 said...

Time to quote Thomas Jefferson:

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies.

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.

Every generation needs a new revolution.

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.

I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power the greater it will be.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock.

My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

Never spend your money before you have earned it.

Power is not alluring to pure minds

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

I need so badly to vote for Ron Paul!!

bobby jones said...

Obama and his ring masters are have a lot of charisma but Ronald Reagan's team had that and they got us into Iran Contra (the CIA selling dope to our kids to buy guns) and even tore the solar collectors off the roof of the whitehouse.

so, regardless of who wins, watch out!

Reality said...

Anon 10:03,

"if you can consume a bread machine then you can consume a factory full of bread machines."

Well, you just proved my point by mis-classifying the bread factory. Opening a bread factory or buying shares in a bread factory is certainly a form of investment in most tax filings . . . yet, how is it fundamentally different from buying a bread machine?

"No, it is quite easy to draw the lines. the complicated part (which really isn't all that complicated) is deciding what consumables should be taxed. Clearly the necessities of life should not be taxed, food, shelter, medicine."

So, where do you draw the line amongst:

1. whole frozen chicken / packaged chicken breast / marinated chicken dinner refrigerated ready for cooking / rotissery chicken hot off the rack from the super market / a similar rotissery chicken taken over the counter from Boston Market / the same rotissery chicken cut into pieces and served at a the same Boston Market / at a different restaurant that only sells by the plate not the whole chicken?

2. primary home / secondary home / timeshare / residential rental / vacation rental / resort rental / hotel . . . if someone lives in a hotel, is that exempt under "shelter"? what constitutes "lives in"? Can I live in a hotel for one week while away from my primary home? what if it's not for vacation but for rennovation?

3. life-threatening procedures / elective procedures / costmetic procedures / chiropractor / massage therapy / day at the spa / medical device like a scooter / a new ramp to the house / thermospa?

As you can see, a consumption tax with exemptions inevitably gets into vey detailed market choices. At 5% or so, people may not find it worthwhile to argue over it, but at 30% or more as any consumption tax that can generate significant income yet exempt "life necessities" you can bet people will be fighting all over it.

State sales tax experience has already shown that any sales tax over the mid to high single-digits is unmanageable. European VAT tax is the reason why tax evasion is rampant in Europe, and so many Europeans do their major shoppings in the US and in Asia.

Like I mentioend before, I'm not against encouraging savings and reducing consumption. The way to do it however is not inventing yet another federal bureacracy. Our monetary system with the FED is set up to cap interest return on money, so it's a built-in system for encouraging consumption and discouraging savings. Get rid of that, and let the market place set the interest rate, presumably higher so that savers get rewarded for their delayed gratifications, and you will automaticly have higher savings/investment and lower consumption. The beauty of it is that people will decide on what to consume and what to invest, instead of having bureacrats drawing up those lines in the grey areas.

Reality said...

ex-bitterrenter,

"You brainstems HATE taxes, simply HATE paying to support your country. You think a first rate, first world country runs on air. You're the reason we're in this mess."

Taxes do not support a country. It's the goods and services that render that make the economy vibrant and the country prosperous. If I could have kept the $60k or so that consituted my last year's tax bill, I would hired another person, and bought more goods and services from other local businesses, which in turn may have hired even more people. Whatever myself, those other businesses and the new employees would have bought with the money are almost certainly would have been more prosperity-inducing than the bureacrats spent the money on: blowing up bridges in Iraq and rebuilding them . . . bailing out FNM and FRE to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars so that Frank Reines can justify his $190 million pay off.

See, taxes have absolutely nothing to do with supporting a country; the country and the economy are supported on the backs of what we produce and render . . . tax collection is just a physical expression of the imbecilic assumption that government bureacrats can allocate the resources better than you can in the private sector.

Anonymous said...

Hmmm, let's see. My wife just got a 6% raise + bonus. My exports to Latin America are through the roof. We both got and paid in full for our degrees, while working hard. We don't have any debt and sold our home at the bubble peak. Our Effective Tax Rate was only 4% last year

Furthermore, a timetable withdrawal of 2011 has ALREADY been set up in Iraq. And Bushco accomplished something impossible through shock therapy: make Americans realize that they should spend less, save more, and drive less.

Remind me again why should I vote for a guy whose only experience is 116 days voting "present" in the Senate, and who attended Trinity Church for 20 years?

You see, some of you Gen Yners believe in utopia, brainwashed by an educational system that sells liberalism/socialism (teachers need to kiss union butt). Since I've been around the block a few times, I guarantee you that sooner or later you'll realize that $hitty people should be treated with shock therapy, since it's the only way to change their psych. The Democratic party approach (= sleazy trick to get votes from the ignorant) is to treat irresponsible people like victims, hence the housing bailout. For instance, it's soooo difficult for a woman to take a pill with a glass of water everyday or buy a condom at Walgreens, so there comes the Democratic nanny state to tell them to f*ck like rabbits and when they get pregnant, just go to the doctor to extract a fetus piece by piece with tools. Or they could just keep the baby and collect food stamps and section 8 housing for life, paid by the productive taxpayers who take the pill, buy condoms, do family planning, have a budget. That's why you see minorities arriving at food banks driving Escalades with $1,000 rims, filled with babies.

While the Democratic party sells the illusion that they're all for the poor, their union icon John Edwards has rendezvous with his mistress and baby at the Beverly Hilton, right after having a meeting about "homelessness" in LA. Touching issue, huh? So let me ask you, do you ever stay in the Beverly Hilton? A Holiday In wouldn't do it? Nope, his brain tells him that he's too good for that, but he's all for the poor people.

So I tell you like it's: Bushco was the best thing that happened to you, because $hitty people we treat with shock therapy. Or who do you think that was doing ALL those Liar's Loans, mortgage fraud, etc, etc, etc. Yep, the same people who are now chanting with your Messiah that they want "Change".

Anonymous said...

1)The world should respect and fear America. The US should strive to always be the predominant military and economic power on the planet. Notice how I put military first ? Manifest destiny baby. If you don't fear us, respect us, and cooperate with us, or we will crush you like the Europeans that you are. Period.

It's so sad that there are so many jingoist morons like you in America.

Who the f*ck do you think PAYS for the military??!

When the military makes the country go broke what do you think happens to the f*cking military??!!

Look at history dumbass. Look at Rome. Hyperinflation destroyed them too.

Geopolitics is just a little bit more complicated than having the biggest military on the planet.

Anonymous said...

You know the US is doomed when cultists, who are supposed to be highly educated, rally when their Messiah brags that his mother was a welfare parasite for decades, too good to work like the other moms.

My father died when I was 4 years old and my mom had to work hard to raise four kids on her own. She never touched food stamps; never received free housing. Our family worked hard to get advanced degrees and be responsible citizens. She died two years ago. Where's my mom's medal of honor, Democratic party?

Our country is doomed with this new class of pu$$y Americans who need $100 t-shirts and $400 haircuts to feel better about themselves, or have Amy Winehouse as their role model.

Black is white, up is down, welfare is something to brag about...God save us all!

Reality said...

Libvet,

The need for trade and the need for a government to regulate every aspect of all trade are two entirely different issues.

Take your air traffic controller exampl, the flying bombs on 9/11 were in flight for hours, but were never taken down by any air traffic controller. What does that say about the fundamental mechanism behind air traffic safety? the self-preservation instinct of those in the air! We see two-lane traffic along undivided highways all the time. One day I was looking at that from a high rise building nearby . . . two tightly packed lines of cars rapidly passing each other in opposite direction . . . any single driver could cause a massive pile up at any moment by veering off a few feet into the other lane . . . yet it seldomly ever happens. . . why? the self-preservation instinc of all participants.

The weights and measure bureacracy only serves to dull people into thinking that they are getting the same amount of gas regardless where they go. The allowable water seepage through the underground tank walls is as high as 10%! I get my gas from gas stations that give me the best gas mileage . . . the difference can be as much as 20% (17mpg vs. 24mpg in the same car for same kind of driving) from the worst to the best! They are all the same 1 gallon of gas according to the weights and measure folks.

SEC? It took SEC three years to investigage Enron; five years before the perpetrators were in jail. The market took apart Enron in 9 months! The market has already taken apart FNM and FRE (and many banks) for their sins . . . the government regulators on the other hand are talking about bailing them out.

FDA is even more laughable. The last FDA chief is currently in jail for bribery. If the American people were not dulled into believing someone else is watching out for their safety, they'd probably be much more vigilant on their own. This point actually has ramifications on trade balances: China has an FDA that employs 100 times as many bureacrats as our own FDA . . . no their food and drugs are not safer (should give you some hint on the efficacy of bureacracy) . . . their last FDA chief also took bribes and was executed for doing that! What's funny is that, food and drugs are so unsafe in China that middle class Chinese want to buy American food and American drugs because they know government regulations are jokes and they believe American private enterprises turn out safer products. Perhaps, when Americans also caught on the fact that FDA is totally incapable of safe guarding them, they too will buy name-brand American goods instead of buying crap with the mistaken assumption of FDA guarantee.

Anonymous said...

WE'RE $53 TRILLION F*CKING DOLLARS IN DEBT, WE'VE LOST OUR MANUFACTURING BASE, OUR FOREIGN POLICY IS AN UNPRECEDENTED DISASTER, OUR CURRENCY IS WORTHLESS, HOUSING HAS CRASHED LIKE NEVER BEFORE, AND SOME OF YOU CARE ABOUT F*CKING FLAG PINS AND PILL POPPING WIVES?
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All part of the Libertarian New World Order. We will get to vote for the people they let us vote for .

It sucks to live in a failed Libertarian State.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous bitterrenter said...
"I would vote for the candidate willing to verbally express what selfish, greedy, insurgent assholes conservatives are and who is willing to tell the truth about how conservatism has wrecked havoc on their lives...."

That is so not going to happen! The wealthy conservatives control both major parties. You will never hear one word about America being a failed Libertarian State.

Anonymous said...

Bush's "ownership society" i.e. "fake economy", combined with Greenspan's corruption and negligence, caused a historic bubble that is now collapsing,,,,,,
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Wouldn't you like to have Greenspan on the stand, just imagine what we could ask him.

Mr. Greenspan, was the deliberate destruction of the American Economy and the impoverishment of millions all part of the Libertarian agenda?

Reality said...

Keyser Soze,

Here's my list:

1. Default on Federal Government Debt, and default now! So that nobody will dare to lend to the federal government ever again . . . therefore, there won't be federal government borrowing ever again. Government deficit is bad, but government revenue surplus is potentially even worse . . . as that literally means the government is charging taxpayers too much, and surplus will only encourage the pols to think up new ways to spend more money.

2. Raise SS eligibility age to average life expectancy+2 . . . just like the numbers were when SS was invented (was life expectancy+5 at the time). People should save enough for their own retirement for the duration of a statistic average life span (or not retire early!). It's the off-chance lucky ones who live much longer than average life expectancy that there may be a marginal argument for government help out of charity. This policy will also benefit the elderly themselves: they can use their savings to get into better retirement homes instead of having all the government money funding other elderly who never saved their whole lives.

3. Same deal (require their own savings) with Medicare and Medicaid . . . so that elderly can get the medical help that they need based on how earlier choice on whether they'd prefer a safer retirement vs. spending the money when they were young . . . instead of the current situation of elderly savers getting shafted because all the spendthrifts are driving the cost of medicine.

4. Energy and food independence should not be a natinal policy; the FED however should be abolished. The US is food-independent, but that never stopped food price from going sky high when FED went on a wild printing binge.

Stopping the inflation machine is the best thing that we can do for the elderly and the retirement system . . . so that people can decide whether they want to save for a comfortable retirement and have proper medical care when they get sick when old vs. spending it all while young like there's no tomorrow. With the inflation machine and government guarantee for elderly that we currently have, it essentially punish the savers by allowing the spendthrifts jumping in line at the elderly care and hospital counter. No, there's no such thing as unlimted amount of elderly care and hospital staff . . . government guarantee just means screw you savers, your savings are worthless and go take a number and wait in the line just like everyone else, just like all the spendthrifts!

Anonymous said...

What's your beef with Justice Thomas? His opinions are some of the most sensible, reasoned, and readable coming out of the Supreme Court today.

As an HP reader for over two years, I'm a little disappointed to see that this blog seems to have lost its purpose, and has become increasingly sensationalist, leftist, and wishy-washy. You went from wholeheartedly endorsing Ron Paul to championing Obama? Really, Keith? I don't like McCain any more than you do, but to say that socialism is the answer to our problems just flies in the face of everything that this blog used to be about.

Anonymous said...

Why don't we just have Obama and McCain do song and dance routines on American Idol and then we'll choose. It wouldn't be any more ridiculous than the kind of childish crap we're going to have shoved down are throats between now and the election.

Out with the old said...

"The point is that it doesn't matter who you vote for. Obama or McCain, neither one is going to stop American imperialism. Look at how Obama has backtracked already on FISA and as for Iraq he still hasn't committed to any kind of withdrawal. The last I heard he only wanted to transfer troops from Iraq to Afghanistan. "

You don't know that. The problem in this country is the electorate - not the candidates. If Obama was to come out and say what he really thought of these issues, he would be smeared by the pretty hate machine of the GOP, the religious zealots, the ultra conservative nut jobs etc. and the STUPID AMERICAN PUBLIC WOULD BELIEVE IT. Proof positive is the already overwhelming level of stupid hate ads and emails on the internet about him, that have NOTHING to do with him at all. Unfortunately in order to get elected you have to follow some of the status quo, UNTIL YOU ARE ELECTED, then the real action starts. What if Bush and Cheney had campaigned on the "we will corrupt every corner of Washington and suck you dry, while doing everything for Haliburton and putting the country in massive debt, platform" Would they get elected, hardly, but the people that mattered to them knew what was coming, and the stupid electorate of this country believed all the terrorism fear crap - hook line and sinker. When I vote for a candidate, I look at past record, decision making skills, intelligence and strategy. I also look at who the candidate surrounds himself with. Stupid handlers and hacks, or actual, intelligent thinkers. Since most of the real meat is spin anyway. On that front, Obama is FAR superior to McCain. Unfortunately McCain is too old to change, too "set in his ways" on many issues to possibly have fresh understanding, and lets face it, at 70+ years of age, does not have the energy necessary to REALLY dig in to the issues in an ambitious way to get things done. He would depend more on his "advisors" to make direction, and guess who THEY would be? The same ass clowns that have advised Bushco for the last 8 years. Not to mention, the Democratic majority house would make sure that we would endure 4 more years of NOTHING being DONE, just more bitching about who is more incompetent. At least if we have a visionary, charasmatic leader that at least has the illusion of change, people will cooperate on nothing more than the hope that things will get better. Sometimes, just a good figure head is needed, if he can speak and has vision, that is just a bonus. Obama has all of the above. Sorry for all of you Obama haters, but I agree with Keith 100%, this election will be very decisive. Just remember Bush number 1, people voted with their wallets, and we had Clinton. Bushco this time around has had two recessions on his watch (2001 - 2003 and 2008-2009) plus a failed war. Hmmmm can't spin that away can you?

Frank@Scottsdale-Sucks.com said...

1) Who cares what the socialist nuts in Europe think of us? Of course they hate us - they're envious. Living to please others is how life is lived in Scottsdale, and look at where it's gotten them.

2) Supreme court - Obama will nominate revisionist judges who will invalidate the Constitution and destroy whatever little bit of original freedoms we have left. He wants to ban guns and disarm the entire nation, which opens the doors to systematically remove every other right we have.

3) Taxes - McCain understands that any tax hike on any income segment would sink the economy even lower. Obama probably knows this too, but doesn't give a sh*t that he'll ruin the economy for all of us. He's simply playing class warfare in order to get himself elected and enjoy a life of fame and fortune. It's worth it to him to destroy jobs and lower standards of living via tax hikes on the "wealthy" in order to leave office as a relatively young man in his early 50s and have a lifetime of riches via book deals, speaking, etc.

4) Social Policy
5) Privacy and civil liberties

I can't argue on these two points

gutless and lazy said...

No, no, no, no NO!!!! As Bush campaigns 1 & 2 pointed out, it's school prayers, flag burning, abortion, gay marriage, and stem cells that are the REAL issues!!!

(Keith, Please allow me this sarcasm, thanks)

caveat emptor said...

Anyone who believes the president can actually affect ANY issue (executive, judicial, fiscal or otherwise) is basically brain dead. Whomever is elected president will be just as useless, worthless, stupid and ridiculous as all those who came before him. If you're smart, you'll exercise your rights by voting for NONE. If AMERICA were smart we'd install a dictatorship. Yes, they are corrupt but at least they are certain to get something done (albeit that "something" is only what the one guy in power wants). America is crap overseas but they ALWAYS come running to us when they want to dig their way out of the mess they've made for themselves. Our foreign policy needs to revert to no help for anyone, ever, in any way, period. No monetary aid, no humanitarian aid, no aid of any kind. That would solve simultaneously, most of our problems internally and most of their problems with us. People will never stop being stupid though.

usmanufacturing said...

"WE'VE LOST OUR MANUFACTURING BASE...Ignorance has taken over. The brain-dead issue crowd, left and right, should be embarrassed and ashamed at their public ignorance . But I fear they are not, as they're too ignorant to realize how stupid and shallow they truly are. They are suckers, they are fools."

Look in the mirror. The US has not lost its manufacturing base. Many raw parts, even bolts, nuts, and washers, are made in the US. Do a little research and you will find the truth. Until now you have not shown yourself as up to the task since you keep parrotting that tired "lost base" line.

They say ignorance is bliss, but in your case your ignorance seems to cause a lot of anger. You say we are hated abroad - how many people have kicked your ass in Europe? You, young lad, don't know the meaning of hate.

Anonymous said...

You don't know that. The problem in this country is the electorate - not the candidates. If Obama was to come out and say what he really thought of these issues, he would be smeared by the pretty hate machine of the GOP, the religious zealots, the ultra conservative nut jobs etc. and the STUPID AMERICAN PUBLIC WOULD BELIEVE IT.


So we're supposed to have faith in Obama being a good guy and doing the right thing when he gets into office? You do know that many had faith in Dubya being a good president too, don't you?

We need open debate in this country about the very serious problems facing the country. Not feel good, faith in hope and change from Obama! Or McCain!

These clowns need to obey the freaking Constitution! That is the government's contract with the American people and boy have they violated it!!

Anonymous said...

Agent 99 said...

Time to quote Thomas Jefferson:
Never spend your money before you have earned it.

I wonder if Jefferson would have put granite countertops and travertine tile in at Monticello and paid with his Amex?

JaneZ

Yoski said...

"When the military makes the country go broke what do you think happens to the f*cking military??!!

Look at history dumbass. Look at Rome. Hyperinflation destroyed them too.

Geopolitics is just a little bit more complicated than having the biggest military on the planet."

That's why I hope McCain wins. He'll finish off this country in a hurry. He'll start a war with Iran, cold war with Russia and maybe something in Venezuela. You think stupid social programs by the incompetent Democrats are expensive? You ain't seen nothing yet. The Democrats will surely ruin this country, but McCain will do it faster. Let's get on with it!

Anonymous said...

Change

Hope

Change

Hope

Change

Hope

Anonymous said...

PREDICTION:

Hussein Obama wins.

2009 taxes are raised by 25% across the board

2010 economy contracts by 8%

2011 unemployment is at 45%

2012 elections are suspended, Hussein is coronated as new Great Leader

2014 the first concentration camps are built for undesirables

2018 10,000,000 statues of Hussein Obama are erected in honor of his 10 year anniversary as Great Leader

2028 Too scary to imagine

Vote for Hussein and you idiots are signing your death warrants.g

Mike Hunt said...

Golf clap for devestment and reality. 2 of my favorite and most intelligent posters. Keep it up, gentlemen.

-Mike

Anonymous said...

You sound like a commie!

Frank@Scottsdale-Sucks.com said...

Yet another reason -

http://is.gd/1Zrv

Frank@Scottsdale-Sucks.com said...

"we've invaded sovereign nations on false pretenses"

And Obama voted to continue funding the occupation.


Let's not forget that Joe Biden defended the Iraq War as recently as 2007 and insisted it was the right thing to do.

edd said...

Believe in the American People ?
Gimme a brake; I are one.

My disillushinment started
for decades ago.
Ignorance feeds on itself until
a tipping point is reached,
and we are past that point.

I'll be dead in 30 years if the
outraged young don't get me first.

Anonymous said...

Problem #1: Smart people realize they cannot have a large family. Some have no children as financially it is not feasible.

Stupid people on the other hand, breed like rabits. Until this is stopped, it will only get worse. That's the bottom line. This country gets dumber by the minute.