Everyone I hear - presidential candidates, congressmen, TV commentators, the MSM, etc. - all say "there are 12 million people here illegally". They say it like it's a proven fact, not open for discussion, the way things are. Probably based on this study by the Pew group.
That always bothered me, since NOBODY HAS ANY FLIPPIN IDEA how many illegals are here. Why? BECAUSE THEY'RE HERE ILLEGALLY!!! Not a lot of illegals lining up to be counted if you know what I mean.
Well, there's a new study out today that says there's 38 million illegals here. Uh, kind of a wide range there, eh?
Well, here's the new HousingPANIC study:
Based on absolutely nothing except what I saw with my own two eyes, According to a recent HousingPANIC study, there are over 100 million people in America illegally today.
There. There's your new number. Start citing it. It has as much validity as either of these two other "studies" or the US government. 100 million.
And regardless of the true number, the big question is: What will the illegals do now that the housing bubble has popped, the jobs have dried up, and the states are making it illegal to hire an illegal?
James Walsh, a former associate general counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, said he is "appalled" that the Bush administration, lawyers on the Senate Judiciary Committee, and every Democratic presidential candidate, with the exception of Joe Biden, have no problem with sanctuary cities for illegal aliens.
"Ladies and gentlemen, the sanctuary cities and the people that support them are violating the laws of the United States of America. They're violating 8 USC section 1324 and 1325, which is a felony -- [it's] a felony to aid, support, transport, shield, harbor illegal aliens," Walsh stated.
Walsh said his analysis indicating there are 38 million illegal aliens in the U.S. was calculated using the conservative estimate of three illegal immigrants entering the U.S. for each one apprehended. According to Walsh, "In the United States, immigration is in a state of anarchy -- not chaos, but anarchy."
October 08, 2007
FLASH: You know that "12 million illegals" number EVERYONE cites? Not even close - new study shows there may be 38 million illegals here
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lets hope they leave. bleeding heart liberals: look at the extent of balkanization in many urban areas in the US. how about celebrating unity instead of diversity?
who the fuck cares what the number is? they are human being for crying out loud. they work hard, they are striving to live a better life.
anyone here who is Irish, Italian, Slav or pretty much anything other than Cherokee is a racist idiot who doesn't get that EVERYONE is an immigrant
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They have No Idea how many are here!
How can you?
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This has been a huge issue here in Reno, NV since ICE raided almost ALL the McDonalds and arrested I believe 57 aliens. The investigation started because of Identity Theft. The outcry from the Hispanic community was "oh they broke up our families - those poor school children whose parents were arrested". WTF??? It culminated with protests downtown and I have noticed that the Fast Food restaurants are now much shorter staffed. The entire thing came to a head when this happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX5GvlrsyJ8
Tensions are now running quite high.
Bring home our troops from Germany and Korea and use them to seal our borders with Mexico and Canada
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thats a picture of honica with his head up dopes ass!
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Actually, the illegals will have no problem finding jobs.
I personally know of a woman who is from El Salvador, who (after working at a Jack-in-the-Box in Belmont Shore,Ca. for little over a year with no documentation required) is now working as a full-time care-giver for $2800/month.
Many of the mothers here (especially in the coastal beach towns) hire these women also to care for their children. Why? Because they can hire them cheaper, and have money left over for the occasional shopping spree or trip to Starbucks.
This goes as well for male illegals, who will still be hired for many tasks - because they are cheaper.
All the gardening, and many janitorial positions (especially within the county hospital clinics) is now being done by an every increasing number of illegals.
A dependency has been created in this country between big business and the need for an illegal work force, and unless these businesses are prepared to deal with higher costs and lower pay raises for the top, this dependency will continue.
I think we should list (as a public service) the cities that have decided that it's a good idea to invite fellons to mingle and be a part of the tax paying population.
I'll start first, being a life long resident of northern Illinois I know first hand the the honorable mayor richard m daley has made Chicago one.
So what are the others?
ok lets count em here.
If you are here illegally say "aye"
When dealing with government estimates, just remember the pi factor. For example, if you hear a government official say that the estimated cost of some program will be $10 billion, the real cost will likely be the estimate multiplied by pi (3.141...), or $31.4 billion. One known exception to this rule is cost estimates related to medical care. In those cases we have to multiply the government estimate by pi squared, or roughly a factor of ten.
The rule also applies nicely for the estimated number of illegals. Uncle Sam says 12 million -- multiply by pi, voilà! --37.7 million, a number apparently closer to the truth.
Easy as pie (pi).
They'll live on welfare now, Keith, and be dependent on BIG GOVERNMENT.
That's why the gov't wanted them here in the first place.
Problem is if we send them hme we will have 100 more houses vacant
F**king elites are running America into the ground, and the assclowns are using illegals as a conduit for this goal. Americans have just about had enough of the bullshit!
El Presidente' Jorge' is more full of shit than a Christmas Turkey!
I pray they may all gain citizenship and happiness in El Norte. I pray they may bring their cousins, 2nd cousins, grandparents and children to El Norte.
Went shopping outside of Old Town, Alexandria, Va, yesterday. At Target, I would have to say that at least 50% or more of the patrons spoke a foreign language. Of those, at least 45% were squat brown skinned Spanish speaking people who appeared to be of Central American Indian ancestry. They are all over this area and it seems there is nowhere to go to get away from them. I certainly hope that the various counties have the balls to follow through with their deportation plans and/or pass laws that hold employers responsible and subject to heavy fines. In fact, I believe that employers should be strictly liable for employing an illegal- regardless of intent or knowledge.
There are 12 million in Southern California alone.
"Walsh said his analysis indicating there are 38 million illegal aliens in the U.S. was calculated using the conservative estimate of three illegal immigrants entering the U.S. for each one apprehended."
well shit, that seems like sound mathematic reasoning to me!
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The Damn NWO types want you to buy off on this 12 mil BS. News Flash: American Cities are inundated but the dirtiest little secret of all! Rural America is overwhelmed with these 3rd world parasites as well.
You can pick out any little town in the South and it’s a safe bet that their schools, jails and hospitals (esp. maternity wards) are overwhelmed.
They have highly organized networks that distribute these people like commodities throughout the US. They have safe houses throughout the US that act as welcome centers and motels where they pick up their phony ID’s with stolen social security numbers.
They pay their way through this network by smuggling drugs, humans and other illicit cargo. Anybody here that’s ever lived near illegal aliens can tell you first hand this is how it works. Do you really think they remove all of the seats in their cars because they do such a good job cleaning them?
Get Real they are a dirty bunch of third world criminals supported by our corporate government. Call me a racist if you must but in the end you will see who the true racist are when our nation is saturated with third world ignorance and the entire US looks like Los Angeles. We are almost there..
Yes everyone who comes here is an immigrant, myself included, but what the stupid tard above who spouts off about illeagals "being human beings striving to live a better life" is a the same retarded excuse I keep hearing over and over. It's called wait your turn, damn it. My family had to wait years and go through the legal process before they could live here. Why should I show sympathy to some assclown who jumped over a fence to get here.
I think one key issue is: will Americans, regards of race, be ready to pay higher costs (in general) if the government were to *gasp* enforce the law and start deporting illegals. No more cheap restaurants, cheap fast food, cheap produce, cheap gardening, etc. Essentially all the jobs that most Americans don't want to do, can no longer be pawned off onto undocumented workers. Honestly I think most Americans have grown so accustomed (i.e. lazy)to not having to do meanial work that they will in some way fight it. Sad but true.
Looks like the pro-illegal-immigrant crowd is also pro-lawlessness and anti-fairness
guadelupe-hidalgo, 1848 said...
I pray they may all gain citizenship and happiness in El Norte. I pray they may bring their cousins, 2nd cousins, grandparents and children to El Norte.
By all means come for a visit, and then go the f**k back home. Does your moniker mean, "we got our asses kicked in 1848"? I don't do spanish in America.
Has anyone ever heard of Lake Worth Florida? The sign in the town of lake worth is "were the tropics begin" which really means were the 3rd world begins! From lake worth to miami is loaded with tons of illegals who have anchor babies to stay here! They hang out in front of home depot and Circle K all day long and if they don't work that day they drink! They are digusting because they love to break thier corona bottles in the streets. All of the poor hispanic neighborhoods in Fl are like this! I'm not racist this is FACT seen from my eyes. I can show you pictures. South florida is a cesspool of corrupt people, braindead people and illegals!
I lived in Quito Ecuador for a few years a long time ago. In Ecuador you had 8 million people. 150,00 wealthy, elite, European (Spanish) blue bloods, and the rest were Inca Indians serving them. We had a maid. She was 40 years old and had no teeth and looked 60 from years of indentured servitude. Her teeth had been knocked out by one of the elites as punishment for stretching the elastic of the children's underwear while washing them by hand with a bar of soap.
In Ecuador today the Inca Indians have elected a new president, Correa. He is of the same politics as Chavez of Venezuela. The blue blooded Europeans of Ecuador are shaking in their boots because their little paradise of slaves has turned on them and finally managed to grab a little power for themselves.
I have nothing but good feelings towards these Inca Indians, BUT there is a problem with a large group of people serving as slaves to a smaller group of people. If you believe that it is a good thing that you have these Mexicans taking care of your kids, washing your car, painting your house, flipping your burgers, on the cheap, just wait until there are so many of them that when they turn on you, you will be powerless.
Maybe the U.S. middle class should start raising their own children, washing their own cars and flipping their own burgers, and living within their means, and quit pretending to be blue blood elites on $100,000 a year.
You can bet your ass this will get ugly. It has already started.
"It's called wait your turn, damn it."
wait your turn while your family is poor and potentially starving? yeah. here's a big hint, there is a reason why people don't wait and instead risk their lives walking for days through the desert. it's called desperation.
we probably have no clue how poor some of these people are.
"Looks like the pro-illegal-immigrant crowd is also pro-lawlessness and anti-fairness"
we know that the immigration laws are terrible and need to be fixed. the reason we have so many illegals is because it's so hard to cross the border when they do they just stay instead of going back home.
it's our fault, we are hiring the people. just like it's our fault that latin american is ripped apart by drug violence, we buy the drugs.
Americans are being outsourced, insourced, and up the wazoo sourced. Hahahaha! Abide by the decisions of your betters America! Hahahaha!!
Just how solid is that "guest worker" program - you know, the one that's supposed to reduce the flow of illegals while allowing legal guest workers in - according to the L.A. Times the U.S. is ramping up immigration to work on the farms.
1800s - Blame the Irish
1900s - Blame the Italians
eternity - Blame the Jews.
2000s Blame the Hispanics.
Don't you imbeciles ever stop?
Jesse Jackson - race pimp
Al Sharpton - race pimp
pro-illegal immigrant imbeciles - race pimps
lazy white trash - race pimps
slave loving businesses - race pimps
They have all learned well from Jesse Jackson. When your argument has no basis, try to find a way to play the race card. The funny thing is that fat racist old rich white guys are playing the race card to keep the brown-skinned slave labor flowing here. Every penny you save on products and services is is paid back in taxes for the education, welfare, healthcare and crime burden these uneducated illiterate illegal immigrants place on society.
I really can't believe that there is still a multitude of brain-dead, gutless, nutless, pathetic white Americans still defending the actions of these filthy invading mestizo criminals.
I guess when they hear that these savages mass-murder more Americans each year than were killed on 9/11, they say: "Ah, nobody's perfect".
If they happen to learn that the criminal mexican invaders rape tens of thousands of American children each year, what do they say? "Meh, it was'nt my child"
What's really funny though is when they compare this illegal invasion of third world savages, to the LEGAL IMMIGRATION of noble white Europeans.
How the fook is this comparable in any way, shape or form?
I don't care what race, color, sexual persuasion, religion or political party the illegals represent.
I care about one thing and one thing only
They're illegal.
America is a nation of laws. Oops, I mean America WAS a nation of laws.
You want to live here? Get in line. Apply. Get a visa. Wait your turn.
Don't just break in and assume everything will be fine.
There's hundreds of millions of people around the world who want to live in America.
Get in line.
And for anyone who hires an illegal, they should lose their business license that day
But that would take the corrupt Dems and the corrupt Reps respecting the laws of the land. Which we know isn't going to happen any time soon.
k.w. - southern ca. said...
"A dependency has been created in this country between big business and the need for an illegal work force, and unless these businesses are prepared to deal with higher costs and lower pay raises for the top, this dependency will continue."
You hit the nail on the head. The "illegal problem" is not a problem at all for those at the top. I saw on GMA this morning that they were interviewing an Apple Farmer in Washington State, telling his sob story about how he can't find workers. Bull#$%t, the truth is, he can't find workers that will work for below minimum wage. I wonder what would happen if he put a for hire sign at his farn and set the pay at 7.00 - 10.00 /hr? The reason these illegals can work for less is because they don't pay taxes! I would be happy to work for 30% less than what I am getting now if I did not have to pay 30% to Uncle Sam every year so Bush and his cronies can waste it on Iraq.
Business is making this big deal but the question I have is how was fruit grown and picked a long time ago? Did we just start growing fruit after Reagan did the first amnesty program? Did restaurants not exist prior to 1986? Please... I think that the problem lies with the cash cow that American business has been sucking for years, and now they might actually have to do what businesses were required to do... Innovate, and creat something of VALUE. The same goes for these stupid banks that created the housing bubble. What did they create of value? Nothing, they shuffle some papers and make millions...what a load. I hope that the crack downs continue and some of these businesses that have survived by hiring illegals go to chapter 11. That will leave the strong ones that can hire REAL AMERICAN WORKING FAMILIES around and maybe we can have a productive society again. Now would'nt that be refreshing.
what a bunch of bullshit KEEFER
If these so-called "illegals" were blond and blue eyed there could be 100 million and you wouldn't care less
Finish building the F%$#ing border wall.
"1800s - Blame the Irish
1900s - Blame the Italians
eternity - Blame the Jews.
2000s Blame the Hispanics.
Don't you imbeciles ever stop?"
Hey dickwad, I am Italian. Let me clear this up for you. I have nothing against Hispanics or anyone else that comes to America LEGALLY and comes to America to be AMERICAN. I do however have a problem when a person or family comes to America ILLEGALLY and then DEMANDS of me to SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE, enjoy paying for their 6 CHILDREN because they are all on welfare, STEAL MY IDENTITY, TRASH MY NEIGHBORHOOD, drink and drive and KILL A FAMILY of four, hang out in front of Home Depot and throw bottles and trash everywhere, protest contantly in the streets waving MEXICAN FLAGS yelling La Raza and AZTLAN and bitching that the Southwest really belongs to Mexico and finally - constantly whine on TV that everyone else is a racist that DOES NOT like the above happening in their neighborhood. As I said earlier, I am Italian, and my grandfather came to this country through Ellis Island. The first thing he did was work and LEARN THE LANGUAGE. He WANTED to be an American more than anything and would NEVER think of treating the promise land with the disrespect that these 3rd world pukes of today do. We are all immigrants, but the arguments that you are hearing and reading have nothing to do with that. It is that they have NO RESPECT for the country that gives them a chance.
"I care about one thing and one thing only
They're illegal."
and they care about one thing, doing whatever they need to to survive.
wow! reno,nv got about 50 of about 20 million living here?
they did the same here in socal, it took 160 agents to catch 27 aliens in the valley.
no doubt this is a good place to es press our frustration. but that's all this blog is for,to blow off some steam.let's take some responsibility for our own actions. we wanted a dollar menu at McDonald's,cheap houses and condos so we could resell for huge(and unrealistic)profits, well now you see where our greed and false sense of entitlement has gotten us,thinking we could just live it out like kings.we didn't care who was cooking our burgers as long as we didn't have to see them,but now they are all over our communities.stop blaming the government,you are the government! yes you proud liberal democrat! you the proud conservative republican! the one that leaves the illegal nanny at home watching the children while you attend a anti-immigration rally. don't come to this blogs pointing fingers because it's your fault and my fault too. get off your behinds and reconnect with your true inner American!,yes the one that did things own his own,the one that doesn't watch 8 hours of television.
The American that used to be number one in the world...
1800s - Blame the Irish - LEGAL immigrants
1900s - Blame the Italians - LEGAL immigrants
eternity - Blame the Jews - LEGAL immigrants
2000s Blame the Hispanics 0 ILLEGAL
Do you not understand the concept of "Nation of Laws" and difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL?
Perhaps that is why Mexico is so screwed up because in your culture you have no respect for social rule of law outside of your immidiate families.
this country is headed to a bloody revolution. it will come when the middle class realizes they have lost their status. when a costly college education is wotrthless and the real estate & stock market have left them penniless.
I do understand that these people want a better life. But my great grandparents came over through
Ellis Island and got their papers and were allowed to be here. They paid their taxes and they learned English and they tried to assimilate. I seriously object to the businesses that are hiring these people off the books and not paying their half of the social security taxes or for their healthcare. The rest of us have to pick up the tab in the form of higher taxes for expanding the schools to accomodate all of these added students as well as English as a 2nd language teachers and tutors for No Child Left Behind. On top of that, our hospitals are closing under the burden of unpaid bills because illegals don't have insurance - meanwhile I just had to pay $569 for my own kids stitches which I'm sure subsidizes people without insurance - yes I have insurance but I have a $1,500/year deductible. There should be a method by which people can come here legally in a controlled manner. But past immigrants took care of their own and that's not happening this time around.
Guadalupe Hidalgo is where the mestizo dictators surrendered after getting a good ass-whupping. That opened the way for the western part of the continent to be developed while 95% of Mexico remained a shithole for the past 150 years.
I can't believe you traitors defendind these illegal criminals. they have destroyed the consruction industry as well as many others. You braindead morons truely do not understand why Mexico is a third world shithole. It is peopled by Mexicans. Stupid lazy and corrupt just like you. The American are not lazy greedy dumbasses like you. We are now running them out and soon we will be jailing the currupt greedy men and women who hire them. USA
Expect more, ignorant Americans. We just forced another "free trade agreement" down the throats of another Central American country, Costa Rica. What follows is America flooding their markets with subsidized American crops forcing the native farmers into poverty. See, free trade is just American communism in reverse. take from the people and give to the rich.
We did the same thing to Mexico creating vast poverty. Over a million Mexican farms destroyed. So then the poor Mexicans come here to work since it's the place with the only jobs and the money.
I hope this scheme eventually brings down this exploitative, shithole, capitalist, nightmare country. I hope the flood of immigrants overtakes this corrupt culture of shit and it withers from the inside. That would be the perfect revenge and payback for a country so hellbent on taking over the economies of all the other countries.
I am ashamed of being American. This must be what normal Germans felt like under the Nazis.
I'm from los angeles the san fernando valley. In Socal there are some many illegals and not just mexicans i'm talking about south korean, arabs, eastern european and others. The government number are way off.
Senior Citizen Lady Attacked By Illegals
America can not be an economic sanctuary for the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ
>>Of those, at least 45% were squat brown skinned Spanish speaking people who appeared to be of Central American Indian ancestry.
Oh come now. Did we really need to perpetuate the mistake Columbus made on the very day that we honor the man? There's nothing Indian about indigenous people.
:)
LOL at all the pro-immigrant posts here.
All of the illegals thought they were moving into the land of gold. Now the land of gold has turned to shit.
They never realized that Amerikwa has been one ponzi scheme, selling off the last remains of it's infrastructure for the past 40 years.
Do you know which group of people are really freaking out the most about the collapse of the US? Immigrants who buy into the whole neoliberal BS.
"Nativists" like me don't give a crap anymore and are too busy tending to our own private gardens.
It will be Rodney King-style riots for the next 50 years.
Enjoy!!! ;)
The feds can no longer be trusted. Everything they say is a lie. Our inflation data is wrong, our unemployment data is wrong, money supply data is wrong, immigration numbers are wrong, budget projections are wrong. They have figured out that the american public won't question their numbers. The public will be content with whatever lies are told to them.
Theres 12 million in Walmart alone
When I go shopping in Wheaton MD or Germantown MD (both north of DC), white english speaking people are SOOOO rare that I feel like the whites I see are friends by virtue of our massive minority status. They always look relieved to see me or queue up behind me in line. This is very strange to feel in one's own country.
I would guess that 65% of the people I see are hispanic and 85% are speaking some language other than english.
"and they care about one thing, doing whatever they need to to survive."
Exactly. And that is just one more reason why they need to be gone.
With the housing boom history, those out-of-work roofers, tilers, floor-layers, etc., etc. will be breaking into YOUR house (condo, apartment) to find what they need to survive.
anon 5:04-
"who the fuck cares what the number is? they are human being for crying out loud. they work hard, they are striving to live a better life.
anyone here who is Irish, Italian, Slav or pretty much anything other than Cherokee is a racist idiot who doesn't get that EVERYONE is an immigrant"
OK three things:
1)Are you going to give them your SS#--so they can strive using your identity?
2)That being said, I have never understood the "leave well enough alone" argument. If you really care about immigrants, push for expanding legal immigration so that immigrants have a real chance for a better life, a life with legal rights, fair wages, access to government programs, etc.
If you believe that there should be more unskilled immigrants granted citizenship, say so and stand up for it, call your senator, have a parade for that, use your passion to make a positive change--kick some a$$ already!
Turning a blind eye to this problem actively preserves an unjust status quo, one which victimizes the same people you care about.
3) BTW the Cherokees came from Asia 12,000 years ago, so you should add the Cherokees to your "potential racists" list.
threads like this make me ashamed to me American and even more ashamed to be European.
wake the fuck up you racist fucks, it's 2007, not 1707
Let's split the difference. I'd say about 23 million are here. Of course it's growing everyday.
America-you just want low wages (for workers) and always low prices.
Until we start allowing workers to bargain for fair wages, employers are always going to go out and find slave, I mean cheap labor.
We can't have it both ways.
rEMEMBER WHAT CAUSED THE iRISH MASS MIGRATIONS, a famine in the land of plenty, when plenty was owned by foreigners and foreign corporations as land holding estates that found that food made greater returns being exported than being sold to the natives. and that discounts the who plants and who harvests question in regard to greatest profits aND CORPORATE racisms......... and a nativist famine.
"rEMEMBER WHAT CAUSED THE iRISH MASS MIGRATIONS, a famine in the land of plenty, when plenty was owned by foreigners and foreign corporations as land holding estates that found that food made greater returns being exported than being sold to the natives. and that discounts the who plants and who harvests question in regard to greatest profits aND CORPORATE racisms......... and a nativist famine."
Anybody know what this is intended to mean? It looks like one of those random assemblies of words that come in spam email now...
Why do some people keep saying the immagration laws of the USA are unjust. Every country in the world has immigration laws, many of which are far more stingent than our own. (Try immigrating to Japan or Germany)
Some person commented that many Americans have no idea how bad it is in other "exploited, downtrodden" countries. That these people are starving and desparate.
Here's where I will tell you, that you are wrong. I am an immigrant. My family came here legally and had to wait quite a while to get here. And I know first hand how bad things are in 3rd world countries (including my own). So let's not put out this BS about Americans not knowing how bad it is out there.
I am more concerned that it took me a while to get here. While someone else who did not have an ocean to cross, just decided to cross the border whenever he or she felt like it because they were "starving". Goddamit I was hungry too and needed opportunity but do you think I tried to swim across the Pacific Ocean to do so (cue sarcasim)? My point is I know they are starving. I know they have little chance for advancement in life. But you know what, there are a lot of other people out there who are in that siutation too. And they follow the law, they do it the right way. By letting illegal immigation continue cheapens the sacrifices made by people who follow the law.
Page C1 of the Oct. 9 Wall Street Journal has an article pointing out that, unlike the mortgage market generally, home loans to illegal immigrants have an almost zero rate of default. The only issue is what will happen if the government prevents them from continuing to work and make their payments.
threads like this make me ashamed to me American and even more ashamed to be European.
wake the fuck up you racist fucks, it's 2007, not 1707
"The only constant is change" = complete, unadulterated B.S.
Try, "The more things change, the more they stay the same."
DOPE.
Expect more, ignorant Americans. We just forced another "free trade agreement" down the throats of another Central American country, Costa Rica. What follows is America flooding their markets with subsidized American crops forcing the native farmers into poverty. See, free trade is just American communism in reverse. take from the people and give to the rich.
Illegal immigration sucks, and free trade also sucks. I don't understand why you think that all anti-illegal activists are pro-free trade.
Now imagine 40% of those immigrants wanting sharia and your're in Europe...
But the real fun only starts when the oceans start to rise due to melting ice and heat expansion!
But when I said it months ago, and said there were 12 million in California alone (they always win the lotto) everyone still believes the media and the president. As long as they can come and get a job the day they arrive and the laws are ignored, well, they will keep coming. Better learn spanish because they are talking about you right as they stand next to you.
It looks like we have a neocon troll here. He will be swept into the dustbin of history just like the criminals in the White House. Good riddance.
The neocons have no real ideology. They are pro-war, pro-open borders, pro-unfair trade and everything else that is bad for the middle class. The neocon trolls support the bombing of Iraqis, but won't hesitate at playing the race card when it suits their goals of cheap labor and consumer spending.
Problems among humans are better solved with compromises, mutual respect and affection...not with non-negotiable stands, disrespect and hatred. Sometimes it's very hard to resolve conflicts of interest but I think poor whites here and illegal Mexicans here have much in common with factory workers in China and other Asian dictatorships. All are being exploited by employers who do not want to pay a "living wage." While Communism was a miserable failure, I do think the idea of collective bargaining combined with political power should be extended to include all lower skilled workers, wherever they happen to be. This doesn't mean that people who have labored to get an education and/or risked capital and worked hard to start a business shouldn't earn more, but it does mean that, ideally in a society, every family should have some sort of minimun standard of living...even at the expense of other more productive individuals. As they say in Mexico, El que parte y comparte queda con el mejor parte. "He who divides and shares, remains with the best part."
That 100 million figure is reasonable. There must be 20 million just in the state where I live. Responding to some posters sympathetic to our out of control immigration:
1. Illegals send 80% of their under the carpet cash earnings back to their countries of origin, instead of investing back into our weak economy
2. Since most of illegals earnings are wired out of the country and not declared, they don't help to pay for the expensive infrastructure (roads, water, energy, sewage, etc) required to support those many millions of new people in our system, especially when local government have no way to forecast in advance for such unpredictable variable.
3. Most of those immigrants lack proper education, so reasonable birth control is not applied, which dumps millions of babies into our fragile system, requiring expensive social welfare provided by taxpayers.
4. Gangs made of immigrants in America are a real fact in life. ICE just arrested hundreds of gang bangers who were illegally in this country. Just check the LA county jail or the DOJ stats.
5. Underground economy practiced by illegals opens a can of worms of illegal activity which is costly to taxpayers, such as fake documents, insurance fraud, drug dealing, prostitution rings, human trafficking (i.e., Mexican coyotes, Cubans sailing illegals into Florida), etc.
And the list goes on and on...
"I don't care what race, color, sexual persuasion, religion or political party the illegals represent.
I care about one thing and one thing only
They're illegal."
Big deal. Prohibition was illegal and millions of people still drank. Drugs are illegal and millions snort coke. Evading taxes is illegal. Torture is illegal, so is holding prisoners without charge.
If breaking the law was the only criteria for remaining in this country, just about all of us would be speaking Australian.
In the great scale of wrongs, being unlawfully present in the U.S. (while otherwise minding your business) is well down the list.
When I go shopping in Wheaton MD or Germantown MD (both north of DC), white english speaking people are SOOOO rare that I feel like the whites I see are friends by virtue of our massive minority status. They always look relieved to see me or queue up behind me in line. This is very strange to feel in one's own country.
i'm in NoVa and feel the same way. i now 'get' what being a minority is about
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