June 27, 2007

I got a feeling America has a bit of an immigration problem




The good news for homebuilders, versus software firms, is that they don't have to go through an interview process and H1-B visas.

No, our homebuilder friends just illegally use illegals who illegally walked over the border. Or "used" I should say, as the millions of illegals who used to build homes are no longer needed.

But for the Microsofts, etc of the world, who want to import smart yet cheap people (on planes) to replace American workers, check out this video. Nice to see the system being gamed so easily.

Get the feeling that corruption in our modern American society is everywhere folks?

51 comments:

vegas crash watcher said...

The only corruption is not having open borders, and forcing workers to fund the welfare state through taxation.
More people, less taxation makes a stronger country.

Anonymous said...

In all seriousness, I don't get it. Why should I care about 'the American worker'? If Indian workers can do a better job at a cheaper price, I am all for it.

Personally, I am more sympathetic to industrious third-worlders developing skills and creating wealth in a former (current?) backwater, than I am to fat off the hog 'American workers' who have been sucking down government subsidies, and buying Hummers and McMansions off of easy money.

'The American worker' should develop marketable skills which can't be undercut by cheap overseas labor. But, god forbid, this might require getting education and taking initiative.

honica jewinski said...

I think we've finally found a law firm to make an example of in an unambigious, physical confrontation!! It is time to bring activity to the front door of this law firm and to the home addresses of all the lawyers in that firm, so as to affect their reputations and economic viability.

I see this as "Conspiracy To Unlawfully Discriminate In Employment Based Upon National Origin." It is clear to me they intend to avoid AMERICAN workers and I believe this is legally actionable. I wonder if a class action lawsuit can be brought against this law firm and perhaps every company that employs H1-B Visa employees because it may be that they intentionally engaged in a pattern of behavior designed to unlawfully discriminate against AMERICANS?

It seems to me that what this law firm and perhaps its clients are doing can be viewed as both a federal civil rights violation (of American applicants) and perhaps even a federal felony.

Anonymous said...

More people, less taxation makes a stronger country.
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Not if most of the people are dirt-poor, uneducated immigrants who are relying daily on our crumbling physical, financial and social infrastructure....

striker said...

I have a better video,

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i
=09b_1177504876

Anonymous said...

@vegas crash watcher

CORRECTION: The only corruption is by politicians who want to reward companies who engage in employing slave labor by offering fresh supplies of this labor.

When we reward illegal activities by legitimization (giving amnesty to those who snuck in here and who steal identities of hard-working people), all we are doing is inviting more people to sneak in. Since these people have broken a law, they are forced to work harder, and for less money than their legal conterparts.

Sorry dude, you got it wrong!

Anonymous said...

Oh oh someone is mad that amnesty will pass after all. Sorry Keith, the racists have been beaten. We win. You lose.

You can move to Idaho and join a nazi compound if you like. That is the only place in America where you will not have Latinos living next to you.

Anonymous said...

I honestly think it has less to do with the cheapness of the workers, rather than the smartness (or lack thereof) of the American worker. Let's face it, our education system is awful. I know of employers that simply can't find qualified Americans to fill the most, especially in Science. The salaries are the same, generally, wether a US born citizen fills the post over a foreign born one.

Anonymous said...

You can move to Idaho and join a nazi compound if you like. That is the only place in America where you will not have Latinos living next to you.

When push comes to shove, Idaho businesses will hire as many Latinos as they can. You want your house painted? Juan will do it for less. You want a new roof? Gomez will do it for less.

Face it, the incredibly fertile Latinos will run this country in two short generations.

RJ said...

Anon said:
'The American worker' should develop marketable skills which can't be undercut by cheap overseas labor. But, god forbid, this might require getting education and taking initiative.


People who think that under cutting U.S. labor with cheap imported labor simply makes good free market sense don't understand the overall effect on this economy. Downward pressure on wages in an inflationary environment will spell disaster for our retail and housing driven economy. Anyone who has looked at the numbers, durable goods orders are down 2.8% more than expected for example and Real GDP has been down for months, knows that we are already in a recession. Keeping U.S. workers unemployed or underpaid is a surefire way to deepen and extend that recession. Globalization has serious side effects that no one is considering here. Idiots who oversimplify the issue as racists vs. the enlightened generally have no clue what they are talking about.
And what marketable skills should Americans acquire that cannot be outsourced? Programming, accounting, radiology, customer support, banking, what? All those skills can and are being outsourced. It's the unskilled labor that is not being outsourced because it can only be done onsight such as construction. Multinationals have bought off many of our representatives in Congress as well as this administration to screw the U.S. working class and force the middle class to subsidize the importation of cheap labor from Mexico and Central America. In other words, we are subsidizing our replacement workers while Corporations such as the homebuilders enjoy reduced wage expenses.
Please get clue.

HauspocalypseNow said...

Man if china or india was South of us instead of Mex it would be IMPOSSIBLE to get a tech job if your are white.

thank u Pacific Ocean, for my job!

unomyname said...

I'm waiting for the unravelling of the processes that enabled this scope enlargement (globalization) in the first place. First up - Peak oil - NOW (and thank God, Allah, Whatsisname) for it.

Anonymous said...

Face it, the incredibly fertile Latinos will run this country in two short generations.

June 27, 2007 9:26 PM

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And the problem with that is.....

Anonymous said...

if we could get 3% immigration we can have -2% in per capita GDP and still claim we are not in a recession because growth is 1%.

It's the old sounds good, just don't look too close.

Anonymous said...

"I honestly think it has less to do with the cheapness of the workers, rather than the smartness (or lack thereof) of the American worker. Let's face it, our education system is awful. I know of employers that simply can't find qualified Americans to fill the most, especially in Science. The salaries are the same, generally, wether a US born citizen fills the post over a foreign born one."

Bull. Salaries are being driven down through this program. I am an American tech worker - I am unemployed. I am getting really crummy salary offers far below what I got 5 years ago.

Why? Because they know that if I don't take the job, then they can claim they "couldn't find" a qualified American to do the work. So they import some lesser skilled indian at 1/3 the price. This artificially inflates the supply and undermines my bargaining position.

Indian workers are not "better" - they are often worse due to cultural mismatch. They are cheaper because the ones that come here are typically very young, used to living frugally and the money they send home goes VERY far with their family in India.

Meanwhile, lots of top quality Americans have left the tech industry over the last 5 years because of this dynamic. They would come back if it became lucrative again. But our costs are higher - we need more money to live.

I'm sick of the myth of the 'superior indian'. Back it up. Publish all positions filled by H1B workers. Allow any American to challenge for the worker's job at any time. I think we'll be finding a lot of Indians heading home. I won't have any trouble sending back any of the ones I've met.

Anonymous said...

"Ah Washington, we have a problem"!

Fed chair Bernanke, Captain of the goodship lollipop!

Anonymous said...

Now I know we're screwed!

When That S.O.B. Ted (the swimmer)
Kennedy sings in spanish on a latin radio station, and finishes by saying, we're not gonna let you down",

We are soo screwed!!!!!

Can you spell T-R-E-A-S-O-N!

I knew you could!

Anonymous said...

Ted Kennedys car has killed more people than my handgun!

Anonymous said...

The Kennedy family boys could never become prize fighters....


they couldn't take the head shots!

Anonymous said...

Why do you even bother turning moderation on when all you have at the beginning of this thread is trolls ?

Turn it off and let us hammer them please.

Anonymous said...

Well, in bringing back the immigration bill they promised to have amendments. But looks like that got tabled. Not sure some senators are going to vote for it now. Just a shamnesty bill.

Also, the 4B Bush promised for more security is not in the bill.

Also, employee sanctions can be waived.

Moreover, most of the senators have no idea what they are voting for -- the bill is roughly 800 pages.

I think the ceiling for h1b can be adjusted every year.

Yep, southern presidents creating a new global slave plantation. I hear the willing slaves whining about racism. Thats what they always do when they feel threatened and go into fear mode.

Representative government? Hmm, super majority does not want this bill. Houston do you read? Over and out.

Anonymous said...

"More people, less taxation makes a stronger country."

You mean like China and India then ?

Lots of workers, very little taxes.

Anonymous said...

" In all seriousness, I don't get it. Why should I care about 'the American worker'?"

Because you ARE one numbnuts.

I wish you trolls could be identified so that in ten years when you are out begging on the street corner for enough food to get you thru yet another worthless day of your worthless life - the rest of us could walk up and punch you in the face.

Anonymous said...

RJ,

I'm the initial anon you replied to.

India, etc., are rapidly industrializing. The Western world is no longer unique at providing reliable banking, customer service, radiology, and programming. These jobs will either go to Indians in India, or to Americans at wages lower than those of the past. That's the reality, and I don't see how stomping our foot will change that.

Nor should we want to, really, because we should believe that each human being is equal. Helping Americans by screwing Indians - even if it could be done, which it can't, long term - is wrong.

Anonymous said...

VIVA LA RAZA!!!

Hell if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Anonymous said...

"OUR" modern American Society? The federal government has been bought and paid for by international corporations for years.

Anonymous said...

I'm waiting for the unravelling of the processes that enabled this scope enlargement (globalization) in the first place. First up - Peak oil - NOW (and thank God, Allah, Whatsisname) for it.

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God and Allah have nothing to do with it. FSM is the one true God.

Yep some of the twits may get what they want... said...

You said:

Face it, the incredibly fertile Latinos will run this country in two short generations

Yes and if they keep on having 50% high school drop out rates, buying rims and avoiding math and science they will run it into a similar state as the other countries Latinos run--Venezuela, Colombia, Domincan Republic and other "countries". Oh of courxe we cannot discuss rela things becuase we have the modern day equivalent of calling somebody a heretic, just yell racist and shout down discussion. Who cares if the African Muslims are mutilating girls, we can't judege them its racist. What mexicans living 10 to a house, raising chickens in the yard and dropping out of school--no we cannot judge that as bad cause its racist. What Asian kids kicking ass in math becuase they work hard--nah to say that is good would be racist. Why not let in 50 million latinos and 20 million Africans--if immigration is good, then more is better! Right trolls?

Anonymous said...


More people, less taxation makes a stronger country.


Then why is Mexico a Turd World country? They breed like rabbits. Canada has fewer people but they are much stronger.

Anonymous said...


Face it, the incredibly fertile Latinos will run this country in two short generations.


They are not more fertile than anyone else. They just don't know how to use birth control. I agree that the Mexicans will run this country - right into the ground like they did to Mexico.

jesse jackson said...

The greedy business/slavemaster lobby has learned how to play the race card from Jesse Jackson. Sleazy race pimps will always be the first to turn any issue into one of race when they are in the wrong.

Anonymous said...

Americans have always hated each other, but the rich have the power to follow up on their hate. Thus the H1-B program.

Anonymous said...

honica jewinski said:

"...conspiracy to unlawfully discriminate in employment based upon national origin."

i agree. i think filing a case against them and looking for the records of all their clients and what procedure they followed in compliance with the law should also be investigated.

sue them.

Hard-working American said...

Bravo, rj! Well said!
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anonymous at 6:46 p.m.:

Yes, all of us American workers are sittin' around, scratchin' and grinnin', figuring out ways to get something for nothing. We don't work much - we expect the gubmint to give us massive handouts so we can buy Hummers. And we're all real friggin' stupid, too.*

Where's my subsidy? How's come I can't sit around on my butt now after my first career went overseas? Huh?

*Actually, you're half right. Most of us can't/won't work for starvation wages, and we can't compete with illegals who live 25 to a 3BR house, sleeping on the floor, for minimum wage or less. We open our mouths about illegally dangerous workplaces, whereas illegals don't know what their rights are. I guess in your book that's stupid.

That's why there's preferential hiring of illegals in a lot of places now. Some of us won't do jobs that are unduly dangerous and violate the law, for employers who don't give a crap about us and underpay. Imagine that!

Sure, we can all be upper management. Dumbass, if it weren't for the injuns, there'd be no chiefs. Sweep your own floor, repair your own car, mow your own lawn, fix your own a/c, do all your own word processing, answer your own phone, clean your own house, work your own assembly line, and go pick up your own packages. Mmkay?

Anonymous said...

We have no immigration problem. We have a problem with american traitors who protect foreign invaders. The answer is concentration camps. Execution for those who held government or corporate positions and a lifetime of slave labor for the rest.

TM said...

While the lawyers may be playing it up to their advantage, there really is a shortage of high-skilled US labor (at least in the IT field, in which I work). It's not like foreign skilled labor comes all that cheap, either.

The simple fact is that we do not produce enough engineers, scientists, programmers, systems analysts and architects, etc. and have to import them instead. At least with an H-1B they're here, paying taxes and contributing to the health of the economy. The alternative would be to outsource, and have the work done overseas. How is that better?

Also, a great many of the H-1B workers go on to become citizens, highly educated and highly paid citizens.

If you doubt me about the lack of US skilled workers, go to a college graduation sometime. The business majors are legion. When it comes time for the science and engineering schools to get up and get their degrees, it gets quite a bit thinner, and even then it is largely composed of Nguyen's and Patel's, who have immigrated here.

We're a nation of managers, with nothing to manage, and without deep skillsets.

TM said...

This article is a bit old, but still very relevant: http://tinyurl.com/yjh3b5

Our lack of skilled labor is pitiful. But at least we have enough lawyers...

Anonymous said...

For people commenting about 'dirt poor uneducated immigrants' or 'latinos painting your homes' .. don't forget that this article is about H1-B workers - normally people in IT or the medical profession like nurses/physical therapists.
I got a lot of H1-B friends who earn 60-100k per year. Which I don't think is cheap unless you people are saying that a 70k annual salary is cheap.

Well if 70k is considered dirt pay by Americans - then it's the Americans who have a problem (greed) and companies should be able to hire foreigners.

Again - this is about H1-B workers and not illegal mexicans.

Anonymous said...

"The only corruption is not having open borders, and forcing workers to fund the welfare state through taxation.
More people, less taxation makes a stronger country. "

Were you born a moron or are you being sarcastic?

Anonymous said...

There is no shortage of skilled American labor. There's plenty of degreed American engineers, software developers and computer scientists.

These Americans built Microsoft, Boeing, Sybase, Informix, Siebel, Pixar, Oracle, Sun, Yahoo, Google, Netscape, HP, IBM, Intel, Cisco, Dell, IBM, Compaq, and dozens of other unbelievable rich companies.

They just wont accept for dirt low Asian or Eastern European wages.

Hence they're being pushed out and being replaced by foreign scab workers and outsourced. And those who've been around since the 80S or early 90s are taking big salary hits.

American greed at its absolute worst.

Someone make a business case for me here.

Why would any USA kid want to go to a top 4 year engineering school and spend over 80K to compete against another kid that goes to subsidized school in India who only pays 6K for a 4 year program????

Anonymous said...

"H1-B workers and not illegal mexicans."

Oh, they will be when the bill is passed. The ceiling on the h1-b numbers will be raised every year without a vote by the anonymous bureaucracy.

Anonymous said...

Bull. Salaries are being driven down through this program. I am an American tech worker - I am unemployed. I am getting really crummy salary offers far below what I got 5 years ago.

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I call bullshit on you.

I too am an American tech worker and what you say is untrue. I make over twice what I made 5 years ago. If I got fired today by Monday I would have a new job. Not a week goes by without a recruiter calling me.

I have a feeling the reason you are unemployed is because you haven't learned a new skill in 5 years. Instead of looking at that as the reason, you blame immigrants for "stealing" your job.

Nobody stole anything, you gave it away.

Markus Arelius said...

Well, I don't blame Microsoft.
What's the first class 75% of high school student MUST take as college freshman? English 110.

English 110!!!!!

Bill Gates is pissed. Meanwhile, Asia has braniacs growing on trees and companies need talent now, not in 5 years or 6 years.

Even if America's borders were tight as a drum and the 10 million illegal Mexicans were deported, let's not be so infuriated with corporate America so as not to identify the root of the problem.

Other-Uther said...

"unomyname said... I'm waiting for the unravelling of the processes that enabled this scope enlargement (globalization) in the first place. First up - Peak oil - NOW (and thank God, Allah, Whatsisname) for it."
June 27, 2007 9:57 PM
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If I recall correctly, the first time the world got "globalised" it became unraveled by something called World War I in 1914.

Anonymous said...

"Nobody stole anything, you gave it away. "

Nailed it ! I bet he is one of those fat whiners you see all the time. How about getting off your lazy, fat, american ass, and get reducated.

Change with the times fool, or get LEFT BEHIND !

HAHAHAHAHAHA

vegas crash watcher said...

All the personal attacks against me for advocating freedom make me happy that so many "Americans" will be unemployable. They cannot compete against immigrants in work ethic or intelligence. And many immigrants don't pay taxes, which makes them heroes.

Anonymous said...

Here's the original youtube video from that seminar:

http://tinyurl.com/2l9yre

I couldn't find the other youtube video in which another lawyer from the same law firm talks to Maria Bartoramo on CNBC about "labor shortage" in the US. On the first video the law firm teaches employers how to pretend that all American applicants are not qualified, in order to hire cheaper foreign labor. On the second video, the lawyer goes on CNBC to sell and brainwash the sheeple of how there's a shortage of American labor and how we need more H-B1 visas to bring in foreign workers.

Your job is not safe at all, especially if you earn over $100k. I know because it happened to my wife. After working 10 years for the same company, they replaced her with a foreign worker for half the price, and after she had built the entire department. She has advanced degrees, speaks foreign languages, has project management certification, etc.

Some idiots and crooks say "well, you should get more skills, blah, blah, blah..." We are already the most skilled workforce in the world. Do you guys want us to be what, a superworker from comic books to earn $50K / year? How do you think that this country was built before all these H-B1 visas start to pop everywhere, with poor American skills? Do you really thina are growing on their own without copying all the knowledge that Americans built? This is just another excuse from greedy corporations who want cheap labor.

And by the way, Bill Gates, as of now, I'm dropping anything Microsoft out of my life...you sell your crap systems to the Indians and Chinese. Linux and Ubuntu only...screw you!

Anonymous said...

"Nobody stole anything, you gave it away. "

The baby boomers and the 60's hippies sacrificed America on the altar of pleasure and self worship. Tearing out the foundation weakening the country beyond repair.

But, good news everyone!! HILLARY WILL SAVE US! HEIL HILLARY!

Anonymous said...

If immigrants were such a hot s**t, they would fix their own POS countries instead of begging to be in the US or living off our backs, right? You immigrants know what common sense and logic are, do you?

Until your countries remain a POS, you can't make fun or feel superior than Americans. While you guys were eating burritos, meditating to an elephant man, or getting your dirty poor arses kicked by dictator Mao, the Americans were busy inventing the internet, the personal computer, laser, software, Velcro, Blues, Jazz, Rock, DJ profession, personal trainer profession, LED, microwave, cable TV, satellite, putting a man on the moon, advanced medical devices to safe lives, management techniques, etc, etc, etc. Even the MBA was invented by Americans.

Meanwhile, the Chinese still eats with two sticks for god's sake, while the purple Indians have social casts, just like in medieval times. Without the US you guys are nothing, that's why you never invent anything major or revolutionary, like fiber optics or microchip. The rest of the world live only of copying what the US creates.

Sure, now that the Americans built all the basic infrastructure to create other inventions, the immigrants have become sassy, thinking that they are geniuses. Hey immigrants, create a software, Web 2.0 business, or any hardware without a microchip, personal computer, and Internet being invented first.

But what about Japan, you immigrant idiots may say. Well, I've got breaking news for you: who brought Japan out of the ashes and made that country a superpower was W Edwards Deming, an American. Search his name on Wikipedia, immigrant fools.

There, now you all go back to your little bowls or rice, tacos, praying to elephant man, and breeding like flies, while the busy Americans invent something else revolutionary for all of humanity to copy and make a living out of it. So prototypes of genius, shut up and enjoy the ride provided by your master, the American.

TM said...

"I too am an American tech worker and what you say is untrue. I make over twice what I made 5 years ago."

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I agree, and well-said on the rest of your post. To the anonymous unemployed tech worker, what was your last job title? We'll do a search on Dice to see just how grim your prospects are.

Anonymous said...

China and India should thank Wal-Mart, Target, GE, Microsoft, Home Depot, Oracle, etc, for taking everything that Americans built and invented and transferring to those countries. All that to save a buck and look good to Wall Street. Read the book "The World is Flat" by Thomas Friedman, because it's all in there.

Can you believe that executives from GE and IBM had to convince Indians to open their country to accept all the technology that was invented first by the American worker? It took years of frustrating negotiations for the Indian government to accept.

Without the American worker, India and China would be nothing. Now that they got everything easy and we are teaching them even how to study (major American Universities are setting up shop on those countries, as you know), they feel cocky, like they have accomplished anything on their own.