December 09, 2006

The late great housing bubble's last suckers in: Single women

"Empowered"
"Independent"
"Taking control of their lives"

That's what the REIC and MSM would have you believe. I'd say "destroying their financial futures", "listening to some really bad advice" or "doing the exact wrong thing at the exact wrong time".

Get ready Americans for a bailout of historic proportions as single women and single mothers lose everything, as many of these girls lose their jobs as well as their houses (being that a lot of them are REIC themselves).

Sarah Van Elderen, 24, bought a one-bedroom condominium in Grand Rapids, Mich., earlier this year, just 18 months after receiving a marketing degree from Grand Valley State University.

She was attracted to the safe neighborhood -- a short trip from downtown and her family -- and the amenities, including a pool, hot tub, and clubhouse. But mostly, it was about money.

"The biggest thing for me was spending all that money on rent and at the end of the lease walking away with nothing," says Van Elderen, who shared a rental with a roommate for a year after college before moving back home for a few months.

Van Elderen is part of a record wave of single women buying homes -- 1.76 million in the period from July 2005 to June 2006, comprising 22 percent of the market, according to a study released last month by the National Association of Realtors. That's up from 14 percent a decade ago.

149 comments:

foobeca said...

The bankers love it that people don't understand that interest is "toilet money" just like rent.

Anonymous said...

Face it, women are terrible with money

Then there's the wives who pressured the husbands into buying them an overpriced shack (Suzanne researched it!)

Anonymous said...

These girls fantasy to play house has gone too far. Hell, they wont be able to afford the dolls.

chris g said...

Out of the 275 metropolitan statistical areas surveyed by OFHEO, the Grand Rapids area was #258 on the list for the 12-month period ending September 30, 2006. The latest year showed a -0.23% decline in price. The price in Grand Rapids only increased 17% over the last 5 years.

Sarah Van Elderen will continue to throw her money away with a mortgage payment that is higher than renting, combined with a depreciating asset.

Richard said...

Maybe I can pick up one of these hotties for cheap when they are faced with foreclosure..

Yeah baby!!!

Anonymous said...

lol. so true.

I met one of these types at a dinner party. Told her prices in CA were going down. Her four year old son started to hide in a chest in the room while we were talking. I could sense the fear -- I wonder if she cancelled the construction.

indy said...

Sorry anon, some women are good with money. Personally I bought in Los Angeles in 2000 and sold last June. I made multiples of my original purchase price and left the state. I did buy another house and intend to live here for several years, I have no mortgage so any salary I have just goes for basic living expenses and saving for retirement. The economy of the area that I chose is growing with non-housing related industries and while growth may not be spectacular like Los Angeles it will be steady. I do plan on retiring in about 25 years in a comfortable position, the only reason I won't retire earlier is because I actually enjoy working and get bored with nothing to strive for.

buzzard breath said...

Ack!! It's the sluts from Sex in the City. I hate that show.

Anonymous said...

ditto!

Anonymous said...

How come the women i used to date rented or owned a small shack from a divorce.......
but now that i married one she wants a frickin mansion!

Guess who pays?

Anonymous said...

Just wait til the divorce!

Mort said...

...but now that i married one she wants a frickin mansion!

Dude, buy her a mansion and three years from now she'll be living in the mansion and you'll be living in a van down by the river. Mark my words.

Anonymous said...

I better go buy a van huh?

Corvinus said...

Er, what Richard said. (Hahaha!)

Anonymous said...

indy said...
> Sorry anon, some women are
> good with money.

Sure "some" woman are good with money, but "most" woman are not good with money (for every successful female investor there are 100,000 woman charging more shoes and hadbags paying 18% credit card interest waiting for a man who is good with money to pay their bills)...

fish said...

Richard said...

Maybe I can pick up one of these hotties for cheap when they are faced with foreclosure..

Yeah baby!!!

Saturday, December 09, 2006 5:30:54 PM


That may the first statement of yours that I've ever agreed with!

Anonymous said...

Not so smart !

My friend,Single WF 52 Y old,just got burned by the flipper.

She bought a overpriced codo,1nd the bill is 1900$ a month on her 2500$ salary :-(

Sale History
08/24/2006: $186,000
05/15/2006: $152,500
04/26/1995: $86,500

Women are terrible with math too !

Anonymous said...

Be Careful Girl Friend

The flip side of this is that Women home buyers are more likely to pay more for a home loan than men — and even more so when a woman's income is on the high side, according to a study released Thursday by the Consumer Federation of America.

Also, the study found that African-American women and Latinas were the most likely to receive subprime loans, while white men were the least likely to receive such loans. Lenders typically charge higher interest rates for subprime loans, justifying the higher costs of providing riskier loans to borrowers who have less-than-stellar credit reports and lower incomes.

These loans, which now represent about 1 in 5 mortgages, can run hundreds of dollars higher a month than a prime-rate loan.

http://
www.insidebayarea.com/
business/ci_4802659

Anonymous said...

How many women do you know who have 100 pairs of shoes and a closet full of clothes they have never worn?

I met a single mom this past summer who thought that the housing market was still going up in Arizona. She was having a house built in the DFW area. When I told her what was going on, she had a wide open look in her eyes. At least the homes in DFW aren't too expensive. She paid $210K for what I would have paid $160K at most. At least she has some good money from her ex to absorb that screw up.

Anonymous said...

My frien ,single white f ,52 Y old
just got burned by the flipper.
Her payments are 1900$ p/m on 2500$ salary and she is starving herself now :-(

Sale History

08/24/2006: $186,000
05/15/2006: $152,500
04/26/1995: $86,500

IMHO real value : 100,000

Women are terrible with math too !

Anonymous said...

Yeah baby..buy it, buy it..you're not that type of sucker..now on the other hand..yes, please, please..yes, I promise I won't come in your ..............

panicearly said...

come on guys,
men are just as bad, they just buy differnt junk. they actually think they are investors.

panicearly said...

come on guys,
men are just as bad, they just buy differnt junk. they actually think they are investors.

Anonymous said...

Men and Women are getting bad with money, especially the 20 something crowd who just care about payments. Interest only mortgages, lease cars, etc...I cracked up when one of them had to take out a credit card just to buy a $15 round of drinks

Anonymous said...

Blame the TV shows on Lifetime etc for suckering women into the pyramid scheme

Anonymous said...

This year, more than 1 million women are expected to file for bankruptcy, outnumbering men by about 150,000 if trends hold.

http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm?aid=2504

The Debt Counsellors Annual UK Debt Survey 2006 has revealed how women's debt is broken down.

The survey, which polled people seeking help for serious debt problems, shows that credit card debt contributed to 91.2% cases involving women.

Debt through personal loans played a part in 79.5% of cases, while store cards contributed to 46.3% of women's serious debts. Mortgage debt was present in 33.3% of cases.

http://www.debtcounsellors.co.uk/debt-news/womens-debt-breakdown-revealed

About 90% of TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families) recipients are women.

Anonymous said...

Of course more women file for bankruptcy and apply for welfare. They are more likely to be single parents and they rarely earn as much as men at the same job. Of course they are more likely to buy a home because they are more family-oriented. If we fairly apply the standards displayed by you chauvanists, then 5 years ago these same homebuying women were financial geniuses. I knnow my single aunt made out very well in SF. Her home price tripled over 8 years and she has just recently sold.

Anonymous said...

easy cum, easy go.

Anonymous said...

Most women do not know anything about how a house is constructed or what they should look for in a home. They will hire some consulting firm to give them a report on things like foundation, plumbing, HVAC, etc.... This firm will do an inspection but will never forecast problems that might develop in the future. It is all a "here & now" with them.

How do I know this? My neighbor is a yuppie couple that is now having foundation problems and is going crazy understanding why the guy they paid $500 per hour to inspect the house (a PhD in engineering) did not tell them.

As a rule of thumb you should never make major purchases in things you know little about. I don't know jack squat when it comes to jewelry or watches so I would not walk into a place and buy a Rolex for whatever price they were asking.

This is exactly what these single women are doing with homes. I have no pity for them becasue a smart single woman can live on a budget that is tighter than a man of the same age. Guys waste money on their cars or other hobbies to the tune of thousands of bucks a month. Women are generally more into activities that are less costly; stuff like book clubs, civic duty, art, film, etc....

Cornholio Mangus said...

Just remember men, get her credit report before you get seriously involved with her.

Just like a dinner date, most of these little chickies have no intention of picking up the tab. They will expect you to bail them out of their bad financial decisions.

Think about it; do you want to spend 30 years paying off her old bills (when she rolls her credit card into your re-fi'd mortgage) which she incurred buying shoes, handbags and cosmetics to attract OTHER MEN YEARS AGO? And this doesn't even include her upside-down condo.

Most single women are a liability, not a resource. Rent them (date), don't buy them (marry).

Anonymous said...

Why do guys marry girls with massive debts, bankruptcies, kids and shopping addictions?

Anonymous said...

Well, I dunno about all women being a liability as you put it.

A lot has to do with how she was treated when she grew up. If it was in a wealthy household and she is used to being the princess they you should stay away because you will be working to the bone to keep her in luxury the rest of your life.

Not that spoiling your wife is a bad thing but it should be casue you want to do it and not a requirement of the marriage. Women who come from more middle income families understand money better since they did not get everything they wanted as kids and young adults.

Anonymous said...

Sara Jessica Parker looks like Mel Brooks

buzz saw said...

The next step in socialized housing. Mortgage insurance is now fully tax deductible for "owners" who make no down payment and make less than 100k per year. Congratulations renters, you pay for it and get nothing but higher priced houses in return. It seems that homeownership rates for immigrants are 20% below the national average and Uncle Sam wants to change that. Be very afraid of what's next.

straw buyer said...

H&R Block losses double.

I better hurry before the window closes.

Anonymous said...

Sara Jessica Parker is the ugliest man in show business

Anonymous said...

Why should men use there hard earned money to bail out any woman who thinks she can do it all? Remeber women don't need men anymore. They can have kids and buy houses and men are just throw away. I think this is a good lesson for any woman who thinks she can do it alone.

Anonymous said...

Guys,
For your own sakes, you have got to watch out for the WWWs (Women With the Wants), because they want it ALL. They want to play house big time and they want babies and they want SUVs. Why? Because they're all competing with their girlfriends and that's all they care about, from the time they plan their two hour long variety show weddings, to the house warmings, to the baby showers. So when she looks at you with that loving look in her eyes, it may very well be that it's not YOU she's thinking of, but what she's going to get out of you. They will turn you into gray haired, bent over little old men by the time you're 40. So in summary, guys, by all means, if you want to live a long, unburdened life, DO NOT think with your crotch.
Amen.

Mort said...

Selling mortgages from a public bench. Call now. Breeheehee!

honica jewinski said...

You wanna know what happened to women here in the States? Easy...... The jew feminist movement, once again it was just a giant jew scam. Ask yourself, who really won here, the family that just got bumped into the next tax bracket with the wife going to work? No, both spouses incomes are now taxed at a higher rate, on top of the fact that they now have to pay for childcare.

Anonymous said...

I'm not a single woman but I'd really like the group's advice.

I'm just ending a relationship and it's her house, so I'm needing to get a place. Town's a small one on the Atlantic in Florida. For various reasons, I want to own a condo - against my better judgement and knowing full well that we may have a decade before housing is fairly valued again, I'm wnating to buy.

I've found a condo I like and am going to make an offer.

I'd like help in writing a cover letter to the offer that tells the seller, who lives in Houston and who thinks my town is "different".

She was lied to by the listing agent, in fact.

Seller's asking 319k. I think fair value is 250k.

I'll point out that of the 38 units in the condo, 20% are on the market. AND that NO sale has taken place in the last 15 months!

I'll tell her there's no "market price" for the condo since there's been no sale.

(Her unit's been listed since August 2005 (!) and she's dropped the price from 345k to 319. So you can see what I'm dealing with.

Can anyone please suggest anything else I can say to support my argument that a price from, say, 2004 might not be out of line?

Thanks much,

Anonymous said...

THE MAJORITY OF THOSE "SUCKERS" CONSISTING OF PORN STARS I ASSUME.

Anonymous said...

That's one of the problems with american families going to hell; all these homewrecker trashy b@tches. If they want to be a man might as well go see dr 90210 and get a C@ck.

FlyingMonkeyWarrior said...

About 90% of TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families) recipients are women.
+++++++++
Why is it okay in our culture for the Dad to not be there? Where are the Fathers?

I have raised two boys, (16 and 21) both abandoned by their Dad's (one Dad worth millions and lives here, one a construction worker in Canada), and it is Okay with everybody, even the sons at this point.

I just bought form a FB (A GUY), as you all know. I bought with a 60% LTV and a mort/hoa/taxes/ins/ lower than rent, BECAUSE I am so bad with money! HA

And I would rather loose a little money (don not think I will) than rent from a FB/ Crazy Flipper than is about to get a foreclosure!
SWF

FlyingMonkeyWarrior said...

Oh, and I have no debt, car paid for cedit cards paid every month in full.
nuff said.

FlyingMonkeyWarrior said...

And do not mate well in captivity, so am staying single!
SWF

FlyingMonkeyWarrior said...

That's one of the problems with american families going to hell; all these homewrecker trashy b@tches. If they want to be a man might as well go see dr 90210 and get a C@ck.
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I agree.

buzz kill said...

Give 'em hell FMW!

charlatan said...

my wife is good with money: she leaves the big calls to me!

Anonymous said...

No surprise the REIC is playing the race card now. These Realtors and brokers are the lowest of the low. They are like the scum that flows out of backed up sewage systems. Anything to keep the fraud and ponzi scheme going.

VFRmonkey said...

I'm a single female, bought cheap/pre-bubble, because I have dogs and wanted countryside and space. I love my charming pre-civil war farmhouse, but never considered the expense of incidental repairs. I've been nickeled and dimed by plumbing repairs, alone, delaying the fun, cosmetic stuff I want to do. Ex- boyfriend was handy and saved me lots of $, and I think I stayed in an unhappy relationship too long for fear of losing his handyman skills. It's expensive maintaining an old house- or any house, really- when you're not mechanical and can't DIY.

FlyingMonkeyWarrior said...

Buzz Kill Said Give em he1l FMW.
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Got so riled up forgot to spell check!

Anonymous said...

a wise man once told me......if it flys, floats or f**ks you are better off renting it.
and....
if it has tits or wheels its gonna give you trouble.

Richard said...

"Why do guys marry girls with massive debts, bankruptcies, kids and shopping addictions? "

It always only ever been about the boobs!!!

Anonymous said...

Honica, these castrating American women are that... modern American women (a.k.a wannable lesbians ala Hillary Clinton-Mellisa Etheridge-Ellen Degeneras, the unholiest trinity), this has little to do with your cult of the Talmud issue. That's Israel and the foreign conflicts of the US govt.

Most of the guys, I know, who have problems have married so-called good Catholic women; and they are in hell today (or was it Dante's Inferno). At least the ones who'd divorced Protestants were given a new lease on life though a notch poorer than before.

Anonymous said...

"A lot has to do with how she was treated when she grew up. If it was in a wealthy household and she is used to being the princess they you should stay away because you will be working to the bone to keep her in luxury the rest of your life."

Unfortunately, it's not just wealthy parrents that spoil there children. I see many people spend several hundred dollars on birthday parties for their kids these days. And that is usually money that they do not have. Consider that the average wedding these days costs around $30K and the number of women that demand that or more. Staying single is just a better option for most men today IMO.

"Not that spoiling your wife is a bad thing "

Spoiling by definition is a bad thing. It's only in America where the spoiled brat woman is considered cute. And only in America will you find p**sy-whipped men who will enable them. Treating your wife once in a while with something that fits your budget is another story.

FlyingMonkeyWarrior said...

a wise man once told me......if it flys, floats or f**ks you are better off renting it.
and....
if it has tits or wheels its gonna give you trouble.
+++++++++++++
LOL
+++++++++++
Yea, both men cost me a bundle.
SWF

Anonymous said...

buzz saw said...
"The next step in socialized housing."

Sickening. The only upside is that there just aren't that many chumps left to buy into this crap.

Now if they simply throw the borders open and force the banks to keep lending (with the printing presses behind them to submerge all losses), they could give the bubble a whole new lease on life. And they say Communism is dead.

Dirty Rotten Scoundrel said...

FMW: "Why is it OK in our culture for the Dad not to be there?

WTF? What planet have you been inhabiting? Over the past 30 years, women have been successful in obtaining interstate enforcement of child support orders; making failure to pay child support a debt collectible by the IRS and, in California, the Franchise Tax Board; making said failure cause for an attorney to be suspended, or worse; and, in general, leveling (often in conjunction with conservative male politicians) a sustained, very nasty attack on men as deadbeats and worse.

These are the same women who want men to be the archetypal New, Sensitive, Diaper-Changing, Involved Dad, but expect him to remain, as well, the Old, Tough, Competent, Money-maker in the business world. How many women do you know that are willing to marry down, economically?

"Why is it OK for the Dad not to be there in our culture"? Cry me a river, lady, and stick to comments about the housing market.

Corvinus said...

Also, the study found that African-American women and Latinas were the most likely to receive subprime loans, while white men were the least likely to receive such loans.

Of course, it's due to racism and a conspiracy by the evil white man to keep everybody down. Just like the "used car salesman" effect.

Maybe it's because white men are overrepresented among HP viewers -- i.e., more likely to be savvy with money?

Why do guys marry girls with massive debts, bankruptcies, kids and shopping addictions?

Because they're easier. Really.

FlyingMonkeyWarrior said...

These are the same women who want men to be the archetypal New, Sensitive, Diaper-Changing, Involved Dad, but expect him to remain, as well, the Old, Tough, Competent, Money-maker in the business world. How many women do you know that are willing to marry down, economically?

"Why is it OK for the Dad not to be there in our culture"?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
I agree, women did this to them selves. I just do not get it.



Cry me a river, lady,
++++++++++++++++++++
I do not cry any more about anything, I just fix it.


and stick to comments about the housing market.
+++++++++++++++++++
I am glad you likey housing posts. at least (:

Anonymous said...

There are loser deadbeat men and loser deadbeat women.

But most of those kind of guys know in their hearts that they're deadbeats and know they'll eventually get busted for mooching. They're a happy-go-lucky free spirit whatever and they'll bounce around because they're having fun.

The women have the insane presumption that it's Their Right To Be Empowered yadda yadda and They Deserve It Because They Are A Princess(**) and when Daddy or Hubby doesn't agree they'll have a fit and guilt trip the men into paying.



(**) Hey Princesses, wake up.
Prince Charming wasn't singing love songs from his shining steed all because of your loveliness. It's because he'd inherit Vast Tracts Of Land and Gold and Armies from King Daddy.

Anonymous said...

I was at work today and the guy in the cubicle next to me said, "I would rather be here than home with my wife taking care of four sick kids."

Ya'll think it is so easy being a GIRL. Ha, think again.

concerned said...

Sex in the City is basically a show about whores.

Anonymous said...

::Sex in the City is basically a show about whores.

...they get freebies. If anything, it's a show about deprived men who're stuck boinking NYC (phoney pseudo-intellectual private college graduate) skanks instead of real women

stuckintheshity said...

Her monthly mortgage payment and association fee total $740, while rentals in her area go for $500 to $700.
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I am going to go against the grain here. I think she made the right move. He payments are not much higher than her rent. Why not buy?

But, she's in Grand Rapids, MI....

Let's look at Chicago. I rent a 2 bed / 1 bth / 1 car garage in the 60630 Zip code (North side). It's a gut rehab, new everything. My own wash/dry in basement. Total= $1,000! Sounds high you think, right? Well, I don't pay assessments or taxes.

Did a quick Realtor.com check. Same Zip, same everything. Best I can do is on Austin Av. $258,000, 0 dwn @ 6% for 30yrs = $1,546 + 150 ass + 143 tax = $1,814 a month at least.

That's almost 2x my rent.

On a side note, on 7/7/2000 a unit there went for $142,000. Five years later on 9/23/2005 on sold for $250,000! So in five years it appreciated $108,000!!!! Or 56.8%!
My salary did not go up 56% in those five years.

Who wants to say Chicago is not a bubble town???

Anonymous said...

if you want to live a long, unburdened life, DO NOT think with your crotch.
Amen.
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great advise!!!

Anonymous said...

Just bought a new house in PHX!

What a bargain!

Anonymous said...

Just bought a new house in PHX!

What a bargain!

Anonymous said...

honica jewinski said...
You wanna know what happened to women here in the States? Easy...... The jew feminist movement, once again it was just a giant jew scam. Ask yourself, who really won here, the family that just got bumped into the next tax bracket with the wife going to work? No, both spouses incomes are now taxed at a higher rate, on top of the fact that they now have to pay for childcare.

Saturday, December 09, 2006 9:52:46 PM
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All the feminist movement did was f the Middle Class. decades later, divorce is up, bankruptcies are up, salaries are up but prices are even higher. A ranch for $400,000. OK. A Pick up truck for $40,000. OK. Thanks. Are you happy yet?

Anonymous said...

Feminism duplicated many needs. Now we need two houses, two refrigerators when people are seperated or divorced. Doubled the work force and put pressure on wages.

Anonymous said...

Make up your minds ladies!

You want a sensitive man who can show his feelings, a metrosexual with a Nice New BMW! A man who can keep you in a life style you brag about!
But you want a strong man who can protect you and your kids! A man who will kick some liberal pussy Ass when needed!

Make up your minds please!

Anonymous said...

I want a sex robot that looks like a young Brad Pitt. Money doesn't matterm as long as he has an off switch so I don't have to listen to him whine like the pigs on this board.

Anonymous said...

"I want a sex robot that looks like a young Brad Pitt. Money doesn't matterm as long as he has an off switch so I don't have to listen to him whine like the pigs on this board. "

Women whine all the time, so shut your stupid mouth!

And a robot is the only thing that would do you, you overweight, cottage cheese thighed piece of garbage! Women like you prove what the guys on this board have been saying.

Anonymous said...

"Sara Jessica Parker looks like Mel Brooks "

Please! Don't insult Mel Brooks! At least Mel Brooks has some talent. Parker is just a slutty piece of trash whose only talent is her ability to spread her legs.

concerned said...

Don't ever mention Mel Brookes and Sarah Jessica whatshername in the same sentence.

Comparing a show like Get Smart to Whores in the City is like comparing gold with dog crap.

FlyingMonkeyWarrior said...

I Love the Guys on this board.
swf

Anonymous said...

"I Love the Guys on this board."

Please understand that we are targeting a certain type of female in our comments, namely the Sara Jessica Parker type.

Dirty Rotten Scoundrel said...

@ Anonymous at 9:33

A woman who values silence and dislikes whining! C'est incredible!

Post a picture of yo'self, sweetpea. If you don't look like a disabled pickup truck, I bet a lot of men will be interested.

Anonymous said...

"A woman who values silence and dislikes whining! C'est incredible!"

Obviously, you did not understand her post. Idiot!

Dirty Rotten Scoundrel said...

@ Anonymous 3:23

Sigh.

No, I think it is you who did not understand my post. You silly, self-absorbed hag (now, understand: I don't mean that in the pejorative sense :- )

Anonymous said...

The Real men here love
flyingmonkeywarrior!

Jiggles McBlogger said...

I find it disturbing that society views a single woman drowning in mortgage debt as financially astute while a male renter as an imbecile. I know far more single women who have bought places themselves than men who have done the same. This bubble has been far more emotional than rational, with a renewed focus on the home and family as ways to self-fulfilment. It was easy when prices were doubling every 2 years, not so anymore. Good article in NYT real estate section about this as well: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/realestate/10cov.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Dirty Rotten Scoundrel said...

@Jiggles

The NYT article is a puff-piece. I thought about doing a careful analysis of all the messages, explicit and implicit, that it promotes, but frankly am not going to waste my time.

A quick reading, though, yields the following:

1) Women do not fear a "commitment" to a condo, regardless of how it is priced.

[Note the continuing meme, now about 30 years old in this society, on women's supposedly laudable ability to "commit", while men hold back, emotionally immature beings that they are].

2) Women are not waiting for Sir Galahad (or is it Lancelot?) to come along on a white horse into their lives and purchase a house jointly with them. No, these women are bold, savvy, Now-A-GoGo women, who take charge of their own lives. They wear No-Nonsense Panty Hose(tm)

3) Women are less concerned about price, while men hold back, narrowly

[niggardly-ly? Is it OK for a white person to use the word "niggardly?" :- )]

[smiley face emoticon for the benefit of Anonymous @ 3:23, who seems unfamiliar with the deliberate use of irony]

seeking to make the best deal.

The point is that the MSM here, as in so many areas, has its own agenda. If the roles were reversed, we'd be hearing about how stupidly men are throwing their money away on overpriced condos, while the careful, crafty women bide their time waiting for a good deal. This, we would be told, is because historically, they have not had their own money, and now they are careful, careful stewards of what money they have.

Let me be a little more specific. The New York Times, more than any large MSM paper, is full of it. Its "news stories" read like editorials, and it constantly promotes its own agenda. Its pages are full of "on the one hand, on the other hand" collections of silly anecdotes, marshalled to prove a pre-existing point.

No crank here. I live in the highly overpriced Bay Area (fortunately, I bought in early 2001). I am coming to appreciate how much of the wisdom that supposedly emanates from what passes for authority in this society--whether the NYT, the "real estate never has declined in value, it only keeps going up" crowd, or the morphing of this country in just a few years from running a substantial budget surplus to an enormous deficit, all the while dismantling much of its tax structure in order to help those who already have multi-millions--is rubbish.

There. I feel better now :- )

Paul E. Math said...

I think this needs to be said: women didn't cause this housing bubble - stupidity, greed and credit did. Stupidity and greed do not discriminate by gender - they are equal opportunity afflictions.

This NYT article betrays it's bias, not for women, but for homebuyers and the REIC. The author found a demographic that is buying more homes and praises the demographic. It is purely inadvertent that this demographic segment is women.

Anonymous said...

More on Prince Charming mythologies...

Prince Charming inherited land, steeds, and gold from his dad, the great King Charmer.

Charming's granddad, however, was the warrior-king (ala Ivan "the not so charming but" Terrible) who exacted taxes on the serfs/peasants of the area to whom he provided "protection" from the Huns and other marauders on the perimeter as well as other competing noblemen of the same nationality. The end result is that a century later, some Sarah Jessica Parker bitch gets to siphon off a multi-generational robber baron loot w/o having to deal with any of the issues associated of being a part of the problem (to begin with) whereas the regular guy on the street, who borrows (or wins grants/scholarships) for school, works his way up the ladder, etc is some worthless peasant in her eyes since she deserves a man who can not only provide for himself but can also satify all her shopping needs including the $50K+ wedding plus grand piano with the new house in the Hamptons.

astrid said...

It does the beg the question: do they still offer econ101 in college? If so, what the hell are they testing these kids on?

Does no one (except a couple curmudgeonly Internet bubble-heads) comprehend FMV and time value of money and opportunity costs and sunk costs and risk premiums anymore?

Anonymous said...

Who on earth finds Sarah Jessica Parker pretty?

I mean cmon, there are thousands of gorgeous babes trying out for acting jobs every year and Hollywood's decided to retain the services of a complete skank?

Anonymous said...

Of course women ignore warning signs and ignore everything that is staring them in the face under the pretext of being "empowered". My wife was empowered to drive the freaking car with the check engine light on for months. She also was empowered to pay $35 for a set of $2 wiper blades. This is a normal and rational girl otherwise. Freaking car dealerships have service departments that put a 5 star hotel to shame. No sign of dirty fingers anywhere. Obviously its costs $100 to hook up the computer and say its a bad EGR sensor. And needless to say it costs $500 for that sensor which is $85 at napa and $125 to change it - which I did in my driveway in 20 seconds. Yes she is "empowered" the guys at the dealership told her so. Logic has no chance next to flattery.
Cool.
Cow_tipping.

astrid said...

BTW, some of you commentors sound like real prizes. Please be more vocal about your opinions so that intelligent rational women don't accidentally waste a second longer than necessary on you.

Anonymous said...

...but now that i married one she wants a frickin mansion!

Dude, buy her a mansion and three years from now she'll be living in the mansion and you'll be living in a van down by the river. Mark my words.


Oh yes indeed. Why a man would take the risks associated with marriage these days is utterly beyond me. I am sorry you made this decision, but maybe just maybe you simply have a nester on your hands and not a predator. In any case do not let her abuse you into going into major hock in tis market for a McMansion that *you* don't want. If she threatens divorce, etc., you know you have a predator on your hands and good riddance (*before* you buy the place or have kids!). But if she is reasonable and after explaining to her the math associated with home buying today she comes to her senses, then maybe you are not hitched to a pred. But alas they are far too common these days and my stock advice to men everywhere in the western world is avoid 'the M word' like the plague on men that it has become.

Dirty Rotten Scoundrel said...

@ Astrid

Nicely done. Yours was an insightful, well-composed response.

man0war said...

QUOTE (Anonymous) "Of course more women file for bankruptcy and apply for welfare. They are more likely to be single parents and they rarely earn as much as men at the same job. /QUOTE

Bulldung, bovine droppings, and might I add, cow poo.
The "Women get paid only 76% as much as men for the same job" myth has been debunked so thoroughly it's not even funny. Google it. Even mainstream personalities such as John Stossel ("Give Me a Break!") have spoken of this.
Besides the pretzel logic that feminists have used to pervert the mathematics in an effort to make the above statement appear true, there is an even simpler factor: if women actually worked as much as men, instead of spending the day gossiping with their office-mates, didn't leave at 3 o'clock when men are working until 10 p.m., didn't take two-hour lunch breaks, and weren't (by and large) colossal failures at high-stress jobs such as CEO (witness the recent situation at HP), then they might have something to complain about.
As far as being single mothers goes:
If you use poor judgment and sleep with bums while eschewing the company of good men, then guess what happens?
But, oh yeah, that's right, how could I forget? Women are incapable of grasping 'cause and effect'. Stupid me.
How about not spending your prime years partying and whoring, then expecting men to 'rescue' you in your 30s after you're used-up and have a litter of b*stard womb-turds in tow?
How come that in 75-80% of cases, the woman is the initiator of divorce?
Add to this the fact that the divorce rate in the US is over 50% for first marriages (and rising) and 75% for second marriages.
You made your beds, now lie in them. Suck it up, b*tches!

Anonymous said...

"BTW, some of you commentors sound like real prizes. Please be more vocal about your opinions so that intelligent rational women don't accidentally waste a second longer than necessary on you. "

Women and the media bash men all the time. Have you ever watched television and seen some of the sit-coms and the comericials that make men look like bumbling idiots? Why don't you have a problem with that?

Anonymous said...

----"so that intelligent rational women "

This statement is a seven sisters/private college myth. Many of those women are propped up by the private school industry (along with parental and cultural support rods) to appear to be intelligent rational women so that they can ransack the earnings of a future Harvard Law or MBA husband to live out their bling bling lifestyles.

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:45 is spot on!!!

astrid said...

anonymouses,

I assume you all have no HBS or HLS credentials waiting to be ramsacked, so you're quite safe from any kind of female intelligence. However, just on the off chance that truly intelligent and economically competent women exist, please keep up what you're doing, for their hypothetical benefit.

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:45 is a f*cking genius!

You wouldn't believe the claptrap of these pussywagon Wellesley to Mt Holyoke idiots who think that they're America's cultural elites because their parents had paid for their piano lessons and summers in London to Barcelona. And then they let it hang out at these Harvard Law or Wharton MBA alumni parties to get these upwardly mobile guys before they realize that being a partner at an investment bank automatically guarantees sex w/o being chained by a snotty bitch for palimony.

Anonymous said...

:so you're quite safe from any kind of female intelligence.

Hmm... Univ of Illinois and Univ of Chicago B-school, less grade inflation than the big H and I'm not afraid of seven sister pseudo-intelligence.

Anonymous said...

Fellow guys, DO NOT waste your time on the empowered women that think they can live life on their own. It is a fact of nature that men and women are better suited to do various jobs in the world. Women understand and care for people while men are inclinded to be better with understaning and taking care of stuff like homes, cars, etc. Furthermore, for individuals to have a psychological balance they need to love and be loved with also physical contact with their mate. I just don't mean sex but physical contact like a kiss or hug on occasion.

People are very mal-adjusted and on illicit or prescription drugs because everything the media throws at them is counter to what they are biologically programmed to do from birth.

Men and women are put on this earth to ensure the survial of the species by mating. That is the only goal of life; to make sure your genetic code lives on beyond your lifetime. Everything else is mental masturbation invented by society. That does not mean you should be unemployed and just stay home all day having sex to make babies but it does mean that if you convinced yourself that you don't need anyone in the world and can do it yourself you are in for a rude awakening.

Why do you think the self help books on how to meet a mate are best sellers? People spend over 40 years of their lives lacking this basic need and even if they are wealthy or successful there is a dissonance there because no matter what you are worth on your deathbed it is meaningless unless you shared your life with someone and made sure your genetics survive.

Society has convinced women that being a wife and mother mean you are a loser that gave up and settled for what you could get when in fact wife/mother is the most honorable role a woman can play in the world. It commands respect and is looked upon every rational culture in the world as a good thing.

Anonymous said...

"if you convinced yourself that you don't need anyone in the world "

A modern, mechanized world is exactly that, a society of loners plugged into their virtual reality ports for experience and stimulation. And that's where we're headed so a lot of these ideas of returning to a sort of 'American Graffiti' world or a singing/dancing village like 'Brigadoon' are that, fantasies of a paradise lost. We are, as a society, lost in consumerism and being a cog in the wheel.

Anonymous said...

"Why do you think the self help books on how to meet a mate are best sellers? People spend over 40 years of their lives lacking this basic need and even if they are wealthy or successful there is a dissonance there because no matter what you are worth on your deathbed it is meaningless unless you shared your life with someone and made sure your genetics survive."

Many men do not have this pleasure thanks to all the spoiled brat women in American society and their naive thinking that they can have it all, thanks to the Oprah crowd.

How to meet a mate? It is not going to happend for many as long as women beieve they are entitled to meeting Mister Perfect.

Anonymous said...

How to meet a mate? It is not going to happend for many as long as women beieve they are entitled to meeting Mister Perfect.

I think American society would benefit greatly if we got rid of all the Sara Jessica Parker wannabe stinky swanks and sent them to the deepest arm pits of Africa. We should then bring in real women from all over the world who would know how to treat a man and let the man handle the finances.

Anonymous said...

Sarah Jessica Parker should never be able to look in the mirror w/o feeling bad about herself. Imagine being both below average looking and below average in class and intelligence. Wow, and we put up with that and give her movie roles. Unbelievable.

honica jewinski said...

Folks, as always, a jew was at the forefront of this social tragedy. Many would consider Betty Freidman THE architect of this jew feminist movement. Yes, just like communism, usery or immigration reform, a jew was responsible for getting the party started. Now, I do realize that all jews are not responsible for these evil, destructive things, but why is it that every time we look at some tragic piece of history, there is always a jew at the forefront?

Anonymous said...

Sara Jessica Parker looks like Mel Brooks "

Please! Don't insult Mel Brooks! At least Mel Brooks has some talent. Parker is just a slutty piece of trash whose only talent is her ability to spread her legs.

Sunday, December 10, 2006 11:51:20 AM
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And is there a greater gift from woman to man.
SWM

Anonymous said...

Well ... there is a greater gift from a woman to a man ...
Can she open her mouth ...and hum ... and then can she get her hottie friend also to do it ...
Cool.
Cow_tipping.

Anonymous said...

"And is there a greater gift from woman to man.
SWM "

Shut up!

Anonymous said...

Shut up!
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having a flashback to those better days?

Anonymous said...

"Why do you think the self help books on how to meet a mate are best sellers? People spend over 40 years of their lives lacking this basic need and even if they are wealthy or successful there is a dissonance there because no matter what you are worth on your deathbed it is meaningless unless you shared your life with someone and made sure your genetics survive."

Many men do not have this pleasure thanks to all the spoiled brat women in American society and their naive thinking that they can have it all, thanks to the Oprah crowd.

How to meet a mate? It is not going to happend for many as long as women beieve they are entitled to meeting Mister Perfect.

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The reason is that Americans (especially baby boomers) believe in magic. That there is always some little secret which if they only knew it then they would be happy times for them. Look at the economy, it is in the worst shape it's ever been in and yet "boomers" just trudge along with no connection to the past or future.

As far as females I think the counter culture has created the largest number of sociopathic woman in recent 100-200 years.

honica jewinski said...

The jew-controlled mind bending contraption known as the talmudvision along with the jew feminist movement are responsible. Is this what you mean when you refer to "counter culture"?

Anonymous said...

::Is this what you mean when you refer to "counter culture"?

I thought that was Peter Fonda and the whole "Easy Rider" thing along with Jim Morrison's shamanistic trances in the desert?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"And is there a greater gift from woman to man.
SWM "

Shut up!

Monday, December 11, 2006 5:40:57 PM

Do I have to shut up cos its the truth ???
I am glad my wife (and yes I am married and married to the same woman for 12+ very very happy years) doesn't subscribe to your view.
Needless to say I dont expect it and I never ever skip dropping to my knees every time if you know what I mean ... One of the joys of being a long termer, Its guaranteed good good good sex. And its not as simple as just spreading her legs.
And no I haven't been with her hottie friend, however I dont feel like I have to, because she's not a shallow bitch like SJP's character in SITC. Not SJP the person - like I know or care.
Cool.
Cow_tipping.

honica jewinski said...

I see there are a lot of sodomites in the city fans here.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Men and Women are getting bad with money, especially the 20 something crowd who just care about payments. Interest only mortgages, lease cars, etc...I cracked up when one of them had to take out a credit card just to buy a $15 round of drinks
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I'm 29 so I fall into this crowd.

I use my credit card for everything, even the $1 menu at McDonald's. So what? I pay off every credit card bill in full every month.

I have leased 3 cars. Each time for 2 years and paid less for the lease than what the car would have depreciated in those 2 years had I bought. Last time I was stupid enough to take my father-in-law's advice who said leases are a bad deal. Well great. I bought a car for $37K last year. Trade in value today...$27K, so I lost $10K in value. A lease of the same car would have cost about $600 a month or $7200...gee, yea leasing sure is a bad way to go indeed!!

As for interest only mortgages, wouldn't touch one with a 10 foot Ukranian.

But that's OK, keep going with the stereotypes. I am fascinated to learn more about how I supposedly behave, please tell me more of great and wise one.

Paul E. Math said...

Ugh, I'm going to say it again, in the defense of guys who do well with women, who don't have any beef against them. Women are stupid. Really stupid. But they are no more stupid than us guys. Guys, look at your buddies - let's face it, we're dumb.

So let's get over this false division among the HP ranks and focus on the truth: David Lereah is a she-male and needs to be shot with a bowl of his own sh*t.

Dirty Rotten Scoundrel said...

@ paul e. math

Your comments, and your equable tone, are well taken. I think this thread has veered far from its original focus on the housing market and I am one of the larger offenders.

However, my frustration--and possibly that of the other men who have commented--is that popular culture seems disproportionately weighted with criticism of men-- criticism of them both coming and going.

It is male-bashing--facile, mindless male-bashing--by women who want to have it both ways and then blame men, or The System, for their failures. You know: men need to respect women's financial acumen and independence, but also to shell out for dates and vacation trips during courtship and to remain, in marriage, the ultimate economic guarantor of the marriage's solvency.

And I'm tired of it. No whining here. Depending on my mood, I may either shine it on, or choose to strike back.

Anonymous said...

Dirty,

Ever notice which women are out there demanding independence? The fugly ones who would have independence no matter what since no man would ever want them. The women men want are perfectly happy with dependence since it's a lot easier than working.

Fair deal I think. Man works hard, makes lots of money, has little bimbetter to entertain himself with. No different really than buying a Porsche or a $2500 set of golf clubs.

FlyingMonkeyWarrior said...

American white male: the last societal group that can be bashed with PC intact. Sad to be true.
signed,
Mother of two white males.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"I want a sex robot that looks like a young Brad Pitt. Money doesn't matterm as long as he has an off switch so I don't have to listen to him whine like the pigs on this board. "

Women whine all the time, so shut your stupid mouth!

And a robot is the only thing that would do you, you overweight, cottage cheese thighed piece of garbage! Women like you prove what the guys on this board have been saying.
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A Real Anerican Man Speech...
...and now I am proud to be a Russan Girl and married a Russian MAN.. OSSU!

Anonymous said...

Wow. Men really do hate women.

You guys complain about whiny women, but y'all have whined and moaned and insulted women all over this board.

Want a good woman? Respect and love women.

Want someone who'll treat you badly? Treat all women badly.

And just for the record...I own my own home and raised my own children. AND I'm never without a date on Friday night (or anytime I want one). Bet you guys can't say the same.

Anonymous said...

"And just for the record...I own my own home and raised my own children. AND I'm never without a date on Friday night (or anytime I want one). Bet you guys can't say the same. "

Shut up!

Anonymous said...

"having a flashback to those better days? "

Shut up!

Anonymous said...

"Want a good woman? Respect and love women."

Fine with me, but why don't give the same advice to women?

Do you believe all women are angels?

Anonymous said...

Do you believe all women are angels?
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Are you kidding? White suburbanite women in particular are evils whoaa's.

Anonymous said...

"And just for the record...I own my own home and raised my own children. AND I'm never without a date on Friday night (or anytime I want one). Bet you guys can't say the same. "

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I wonder just what you possess that makes you so popular? Do you have any ideas?

Anonymous said...

You guys are disgusting. If there were any justice in this world none of you would ever get your dick sucked again.

You have fun and bash female stereotypes, if that's the only thing that can make you losers feel good about yourselves.

Anonymous said...

You guys are disgusting. If there were any justice in this world none of you would ever get your dick sucked again.
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Black mail? Speaking of black mail isnt this another of the white suburbanite female tricks? The Mandingo complex?

Anonymous said...

"You guys are disgusting. If there were any justice in this world none of you would ever get your dick sucked again. "

See the vulgarity! This is what the Sara Jessica Parkers of Hollywood have done.

And don't worry about me getting some action. I have lots of money saved which allows me to have a fine selection of some VERY BEAUTIFUL internet escorts. Look them up! For a few hundred, I can get something far better looking than a Parker without the "I'm too good for you" attitude (when the truth is I would not touch SJP with a 10 foot pole).

Anonymous said...

There will be plenty of hookers in the year 2007. And these new ones won't be meth or crack addicts.

Yippie!!! I got a thing for desperate women forced to do things they don't want to do.

Anonymous said...

"And just for the record...I own my own home and raised my own children. AND I'm never without a date on Friday night (or anytime I want one). Bet you guys can't say the same."

Ummm, do all of your children share the same daddy?

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAhAaHAhAAHA!

Anonymous said...

And don't worry about me getting some action. I have lots of money saved which allows me to have a fine selection of some VERY BEAUTIFUL internet escorts. Look them up! For a few hundred, I can get something far better looking than a Parker without the "I'm too good for you" attitude (when the truth is I would not touch SJP with a 10 foot pole).
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I dont understand all the negativity around Sara "Sally Rafiel" Jesicah Parker Rivera. If there is a woman with a hotter body then I'd sure like to know who she is.

Anonymous said...

There will be plenty of hookers in the year 2007. And these new ones won't be meth or crack addicts.
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Theres that Econ 101 in action again. Supply and demand.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
You guys are disgusting. If there were any justice in this world none of you would ever get your dick sucked again.

You have fun and bash female stereotypes, if that's the only thing that can make you losers feel good about yourselves.

Tuesday, December 12, 2006 3:38:43 PM

Hey, why does a man have to propose on one knee ???

So the girl sees him 1/2 way there ...
And dont worry about this "justice" problem. I convinced my wife that "no blowie = no sexie" ... since I am an old man and getting 1/2 impotent. But hey, I am an equal opportunity blowie giver ... her butterfly gets plenty every night. Now here is the kicker - she doesn't stop when its ready, she goes and goes and goes and goes ... usually I am working the other end ... so either way its all nice and gooey and happy ...
There read that and weep. I am broke, but wifey hasn't had to work since I am sorta careful with $$$.
Cool.
Cow_tipping.

Anonymous said...

What the birthrate decline even more,(not that I'm complaining) more men back away from these walking catastrophes and all their debt. Their new age attitudes are bad enough, now they'll be swimming in debt. You'd want to marry into that shit?

Anonymous said...

"I dont understand all the negativity around Sara "Sally Rafiel" Jesicah Parker Rivera. If there is a woman with a hotter body then I'd sure like to know who she is."

That's a matter of opinion. Go view so top-grade porn sites (not the cheap trashy ones) and view the babes they have displayed. Parker does not even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as them. Worse yet, Parker thinks she is smart and sophisticated when she in reality she is as dumb as shit!

Anonymous said...

That's a matter of opinion. Go view so top-grade porn sites (not the cheap trashy ones) and view the babes they have displayed. Parker does not even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as them. Worse yet, Parker thinks she is smart and sophisticated when she in reality she is as dumb as shit!
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You remember the old "Dice Clay" proverb? "Two tits, a hole and a heartbeat is all it takes for me".
But there is something about "Sarah Sally Jesicah Raphiel Ramiraz Parker" which is very attractive.

Anonymous said...

so many whining, pathetic men.
it's no wonder you're being outsourced by the jackrabbit.
lol.

Natasha Yar-Routh said...

WOW I have never seen better recruiting material for the Great Lesbian Conspiracy in my life. Thanks guys, there won't be a straight woman left after we start passing out flyer's with these posts on them.

Oh and that's a lovely shade of green on you.

Anonymous said...

From Natasha:
I am many genders, I am a trans dyke who loves a gentle and intimate relationship with a women. I am a trans-women who wants to be in the arms of a strong man. I am a trans fag who also wants a relationship with a man, a man-to-man relationship. I am still a man who wants to stay with my beloved wife. I am a gender queer, androgyne who identifies as neither man nor woman. I am a pansexual and polyamorus person in a monogamous relationship. There are times when I feel genderless. I am many things and my identity and gender are moving targets.

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Youre not a bull dyke your just frickin insane. Do you really believe the bull shit you wrote? Seek help you idiot.

Anonymous said...

SWF looking for SWM.

Must dislike women. Must be insecure about me earning more money than him. Must be terrified of being sexually inadequate. Must have scars from being rejected as an asshole by women in the past.

There must bo oodles of takers on this site...

Anonymous said...

The men here are so strange - can you really feel this way about women? I mean, look for what you want in a woman the same way I look for what I want in a man - if a woman is career-oriented and a home-owner and that's not what you're looking for, just move on, why the hate? Personally, I make my own way and what I'm looking for in a man has nothing to do with his bank account. I wish more men wanted to be house husbands, but I'm not angry or hateful towards men that are as career-oriented than me. We live in a world of individuals, and you just have to find one that fits with you.

Anonymous said...

"SWF looking for SWM.

Must dislike women. Must be insecure about me earning more money than him. Must be terrified of being sexually inadequate. Must have scars from being rejected as an asshole by women in the past.

There must bo oodles of takers on this site..."

Wrong! You're too fat an ugly!

Anonymous said...

"WOW I have never seen better recruiting material for the Great Lesbian Conspiracy in my life. Thanks guys, there won't be a straight woman left after we start passing out flyer's with these posts on them. "

But you never mentioned how the women's attitudes lead to men wishing they were gay -- DID YOU, you twat!

Anonymous said...

But you never mentioned how the women's attitudes lead to men wishing they were gay -- DID YOU, you twat!

I wouldnt go that far. I do however think that men should have the right to slice them to pieces and throw away the parts after having sex with these women.

Now thats a solution

Anonymous said...

"The men here are so strange - can you really feel this way about women?"

I have a sister who's psychologically beaten down her husband so much that all he can do is watch TV when he's not working 11-12 hr days. Thank god for all the sports channels on dish. She'd decided to stop work once she discovered that her husband had too much Catholic guilt to divorce her. Well, the rest is history. I suspect that in the future, he'll manifest a psychosomatic heart attack just to be done with it all.

Now tell me, how is this suppose to inspire me to want to get married?

Dirty Rotten Scoundrel said...

I left this post for a while. One strong impression I have is that women are just not used to being criticized publicly (insofar as this blog is public) the way men have over the past 35 years. And when they are criticized, they lash out with all sorts of unpleasant ad hominem attacks. Not unlike some of the men they are attacking.

Get over it, girls. You're going to have to get used to being criticized. Over the past 35 years, guys have gotten used to being ridiculed and criticized for everything under the sun AND global warming (according to a recent news item, some feminist group in Canada stated that global warming was primarily caused by men and was primarily a male problem. Really. A comedy writer wouldn't be able to dream this stuff up).

And,finally, even if we assume that some one of the men commenting on this blog is not getting laid regularly, let's be fair. It might be a matter of choice, no?

Why do women think they are such bargains? That they are, net net, such an addition to a man's life? Why are they--taken as a group--such a good deal for men? Some individual women are, for some individual men, but I do not see, under the present social structure, that women, as a group, qualify to act like their shit don't stink. And they do and it does.

Were a woman in a similar situation (say, being sexually abstinent, or deciding not to date), we would surely hear at great length about what a bold, independent choice she had made. A bold, independent, choice born of a desire to perfect a career, develop athletic ability or simply to relate to girlfriends.
Yada, yada, yada.

Gimme a break.

Anonymous said...

Dirty Rotten Scoundrel,

Great Post! You are 100% correct in your analysis. The women posting here attacking men for their attitudes towards women acted as if though 100% of women were innocent angels and never themselves engaged in the same behavior.

Anonymous said...

Of course there are women who do horrible things. Just as there are men who do horrible things. Not because they are women or men, but because they are horrible people.

I just can't understand why a person doing something horrible would lead one to characterize a whole gender in one way. And if you want to be a single guy and not date and not marry, dude, that's totally cool. I'm a career woman, and I have absolutely no issue with you doing what's right for you.

It's phrasing it as a threat that's difficult for me to understand. Why would a woman want a guy or care about a guy wanting her if he doesn't? And if it's somehow true that women with equal rights means no men will want them, then that's the price to be paid for equality, I guess. I value my freedom far, far above my desire for romance and for a life partner. I certainly hope to meet someone who loves me for who I am, but I'm not going to change who I am for some perceived "womanly ideal" who isn't what I am.

And if you can mail order a woman who is better suited to who you are, and find happiness that way, then by all means, do. But what does that have to do with me, a career woman, and who I am?

Again, why the hate?