Great story in the Washington Post on the disappearing REIC jobs and the disappearing illegal immigrants.
HP's question - will they all go home, or will these millions of jobless men and their desperate families now stay in the US, and wreak havoc on society?
And before the lefties and trolls start in with the "racist" crap, let me say this clearly:
Many if not most of these illegal Hispanic workers enticed to break the law of the US and sneak across our border for jobs are likely fine men. Men who simply wanted to provide for their families. But what they've done is illegal, pure and simple, and we are a nation of laws, not anarchy. Right? Anyone?
I strongly criticize our corrupt leaders and businessmen who knowingly allowed this illegal activity for the sake of profits, and continue to break the laws of the land. Shame on them. We need to fix this mess, harshly fine any business who knowingly hires an illegal, send any illegal home, and do immigration right. When you hear "guest worker program" or "amnesty", that's when it's time to march on Washington folks.
Immigrants' Jobs Vanish With Housing Slowdown - Some Are Leaving the Region to Seek Work Elsewhere or to Return Home
The gold rush came in drywall, laminate flooring and granite countertops, and Amilcar Guzman came with it.
Guzman left El Salvador at age 18 in 1999 and landed in Manassas. Soon he had $15-an-hour jobs cutting lumber, driving nails and running a Bobcat loader. He got a car, got married. The Washington region was hungry for houses, houses, houses, and word of the boom reached Mexico and Central America, drawing thousands more eager, jobless men like him.
Then sometime last year, Guzman said, the rush began to go bust, little by little, month by month. The contractors stopped hiring. The phone stopped ringing. Washington, it seemed, had all the houses it could hold .
So Guzman got a plane ticket. On Jan. 20, he is taking his family back to El Salvador, with plans to open an auto repair shop with the money he has saved. "There's no work here anymore," he said, having spent the past month unemployed. "And when there's no work, it's time for Latinos to go back to the countries where they came from."
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I strongly criticize our corrupt leaders and businessmen...
It's off to gitmo for you keith.
Yes, but how many saved ANYTHING? I'm betting that most followed the fine American example and blew it to the last dime in order to "fit in."
a lot of illegals bought houses with no down and no doc loans and will now be defaulting and being foreclosed upon before they high-tail it back home
Ah, the American dream!
Yeah, they'll be hightailing it back home with the money they got back at closing. bree he he!
Enforcement of the immigration laws is a federal power. The feds acted with willful blindness this last decade and allowed millions of illegals to come here for work. The feds knew that on a massive scale a cheap labor pool would help keep inflation down by reducing wage pressure. Just like the housing bubble it was a short term solution. Local authorities are now dealing with the drain on government/social services illegals have because they do not pay into the system and have no benefits with their jobs.
The Post article (FYI, A left leaning paper) highlights the beginnings of the twin challenges of a large, idle illegal labor pool and a deflating housing bubble. The soup sandwich created by all this short sighted federal economic polices will haunt the US taxpayers for generations.
Did anyone catch that disgusting illegal immigrant special on Tuesday night with Tom Brokaw about Colorado?
Rather funny those pukes at Gould construction were screaming that nobody will do the work and they're turning new jobs down, but yet there's 18,000 foreclosures from bad loans and overbuilding in the news the same day in that state...
Furthermore, how can those jerks not be in jail? Their own employees were on TV stating they were illegals, 14 of them were sharing a house, and bought fake documents to get employed with the company!
Most of the immigrants I know live hand to mouth so they can bank what will be a small fortune upon their return. Most have no interest in remaining here. Some will try to bring their families, but most realize their families can live like royalty on the $200 a month they manage to send home.
If they want to use the system that way I have no problem, just make sure you take taxes...
Said: If they want to use the system that way I have no problem, just make sure you take taxes...
Hey Genius? What about medical care? Who's paying when Jose falls off the roof?
Who's checking to see if Juan has Tuberculosis? Lots of em do by the way...
They will join the tens of millions unemployed and destitute by the Great Global Depression of 2012.
And yes - I will take ownership of the phrase/term Great Global Depression of 2012 (GGD12).
I see the change here in Reno in all the chain restraurants.
When we first moved here, almost all of Chevy's staff were illegals. Now, its 90% white.
I'm happy about it.
The RE industry is really slowing down here too, although they are still grading and building a lot, the illegal presence isnt as overwhelming as it was, just two years ago.
I hope all these illegals return to Mexico. I would if I were them.
Then, here is worse news.
4-8 of these families got themselves a McMansion with a no-doc neg-am I/O option loan and they squirreled all their money away in mattresses and modelos.
Now what happens to that McMansion ???
Cool.
Cow_tipping.
Oh my God! We're failing our Aliens!! We should reach out to them, help them find a way through these difficult times :(
The local sherrif here in Forsyth Co., GA, in a joint task force effort with the ICE, finally busted a group of 30 illegals and deported them this past September. Yeah!!
Email your own sherrif and ask them if they have such a task force in operation and how many they have rounded up in the last few years.
Dude, things would have to get pretty damn bad in the U.S. for Mexican immigrants to want to return home and try to scrounge for a living in Mexico.
Don't get your hopes up.
it's a joke to arrest the illegals if your not going to secure the border. You let them in then arrest them while there working. I don't care about the people working.
Mexican businesses dont hire mexicans, they hire illegals from further south. That is one reason why mexico wants to get US help to shore up their southern Border.
Anyway they need to implement a Soc security number system and only give it to legals and those people only are allowed to work. Oh yea, we need to implement that first. Yea ...
Cool.
Cow_tipping.
Highly unlikely anyone will leave with our generous welfare and unemployment!
When did our country become so spineless? What a bunch of bend over and take it lemmings we are!
None of this actually matters.
But when the economy is in the tank, there'll be a nice scapegoat to distract you from the real causes.
I thought the 10th Amendment said if its not in the Constitution, the feds cannot do it. If true, then we have not been a nation of laws since the Supreme Court threw out the 10th for FDR.
And what's wrong with anarchy? Taxes would be zero.
"Tear down that wall!"
Uh, I mean...
"Put up that wall!"
What kind of country is this becoming???
Anarchy is without hierarchy.
Chaos is without order.
Anarchy is good.
"Anonymous said...
When did our country become so spineless? What a bunch of bend over and take it lemmings we are! "
Answer: In the 60's and 70's when the blacks extorted billions in exchange for stopping the rioting.
If there were not corrupt businesses hiring, the illegals wouldn't come. No need to overpay Halliburton to build a wall. No work, no $$, no illegals. Really very simple. Make a couple of high profile examples with massive fines & jail time & the problem will take care of itself.
Beau
And the corrupt unemployemnt numbers spewed by this government remain artificially stable.
how convenient
The draft is going to be illegals exchanging military service for their US passport and SS #.
Green cards will be for sale if you will go to war for Uncle Sam, so the rumor goes.
Is that called a Mercenary?
They won't go home. The US is like heaven compared to corrupt South america where there is no real economies or job creation. Just make a run for the US border and you get Free childbirthing, free healthcare, welfare, schooling, college tuition. And if you have a baby on US soil, its declared an automatic citizen of the US and the parents can never be deported, even if they were in the US illegally. Then it greenlights all the relatives to cross the border legally with temporary visas, but they never go home. Then they join organizations like La raza that claims the entire southwest of the USA was stolen and to be given back to Mexico. The democrats then lend support to these organizations in return for votes. All provided by the US taxpayer. What a sweet deal.
Q: Why don’t Mexicans have summer barbecues?
A: Because the beans would fall through the grill.
Sorry, wrong thread for humor…
The problem is not the illegal aliens who are nothing but the symptom...
The problem are the tens of millions of white American trash who refuse to do the jobs that illegals take...
Because they're "Amerri-cuns", these barely educated lazy POSs think they deserve higher wages and refuse these jobs and choose to get by on every financial scam available to the "natives".
One cure for such a virulent pest infestation is the remove the food supply. It helps lower the population support for the invasive species, lowers offspring count, and eventually causes the invasive species to withdraw from the affilicated area in its natural adoptation to the biological conditions.
Americans wanted the welfare state, now they are getting a welfare state, good and hard.
"One cure for such a virulent pest infestation is the remove the food supply."
www.dieoff.org
If the illegals all go home, will you all clean my home, my pool, my car and take care of my landscaping for me?
I'm so sick of all this Mexican bashing from you pathetic middle aged white men scared to death of losing your power. Get over it. They are here, they are multiplying exponentially and they aren't going back. You have two options; join the minutemen and make complete idiots out of yourselves or accept the fact that it's not 1959 anymore where 95% of the country is white.
Anonymous said...
If the illegals all go home, will you all clean my home, my pool, my car and take care of my landscaping for me?
I'm so sick of all this Mexican bashing from you pathetic middle aged white men scared to death of losing your power. Get over it. They are here, they are multiplying exponentially and they aren't going back. You have two options; join the minutemen and make complete idiots out of yourselves or accept the fact that it's not 1959 anymore where 95% of the country is white.
Thursday, December 28, 2006 5:13:15 PM
Yes we will clean your pool when your start paying acceptable wages for it. Same for mowing lawns, landscaping and doing automobile work and whatever.
Artifically keep wages down by bringing in cheapo labor and the result is, no one makes 1/2 decent $$ at anything. Without the inflow of legal immigrants ( think India and china) into the tech industry, the wages there will have adjusted upward, without outflow of textiles and automobile parts, wages there will have adjusted up, so one and so on. If you dont want illegal (or legal) immigration start by being willing to pay more for everything. On the flip side, you'd make more $$ for what you do. Then make sure you dont buy anything made outside the US. It will cost more but you will have to. We need to get the industries back to where they belong. Otherwise you'd just go backwards.
Cool.
Cow_tipping.
Cow guy,
I pay decent wages to my hired help. I may $60 every two weeks to have my home cleaned. It is two Mexican (I assume) women for spend 2.5 hours on average. So $12 an hour for both of them.
My landscape guy (also Mexican) varies by season but on average I'd say he gets $12-15 an hour from me as well.
How much more would you sugget yard work or house cleaning is worth?
IF they "multiply exponentially", they'll do to this country what they've done to central and south america. Overpopulate it, ruin it, riddle it with corruption. Goodbye, open spaces, hello high taxes (to pay for the benefits)
But if you're against that, you're racist.
FU.
man I mangled those sentences, but I think you caught my drift
Same thing was said about the Irish, Italians and Ukranians 100 years ago. And I guess they were right, why there is a pizza joint on every block now and a Mick even got elected president. Guess they did take over.
Imbecile.
"IF they "multiply exponentially", they'll do to this country what they've done to central and south america. Overpopulate it, ruin it, riddle it with corruption. Goodbye, open spaces, hello high taxes (to pay for the benefits)"
Oh and "goodbye open spaces"? You are beyond an imbecile. Of the total land mass of the US, excluding Alaska and Hawaii, less than 5% is developed. If every single person in the world moved to the US the density of the country would be less than 1/2 of Western European countries.
Get a clue man.
This is a must read for people fed up with illegal immigration. Best thing I've read in awhile!
http://tinyurl.com/yxgey4
Rich man, poor man: the immigration sweepstakes
To the feminist that made disparaging remarks about 'middle-aged white men', the only reason you can utter that remark is because we allowed ourselves to be brainwashed by the MSM.
We are waking up now and we are pissed. And we will no longer support this welfare state and its concomitant Marxist doctrine of Equality.
You go do what you want with your personal Mexislave. We shall separate from you entirely, along with our paychecks and we will keep our own tax money for our own purposes. If we want women, we will import beautiful White Russian women or European women. We certainly no longer need some obese, bespectacled, lesbian, militant feminist to tell us what to do or how to act or what we can and cannot say.
We won't be fighting wars for foreign interests, we will be guarding our own borders, shooting any freeloader that gets within a mile of us.
And there will be no one left to listen to your utopian vision of equality, except females and the lower castes of society, neither of which matter.
http://www.azstarnet.com/news/160675
Texas Comptroller Carole Keeton Strayhorn found that illegal immigrants not only contributed more than $17 billion to the state's economy in the last fiscal year, but that they also pay more than enough in taxes and fees to cover services they receive.
MSM lies right?
Texas is so corrupt that a recent NY Times articles is quoted as saying that Spanish radio stations alert their listeners as to where Border Patrol agents have setup check points. And the Texas Government tolerates that?
Adolf, I am the writer of that. I am a white man myself. I am however secure enough with my life not to be threatened by the sight of a Mexican man on the streets or a militant lesbian for that matter.
"To the feminist that made disparaging remarks about 'middle-aged white men', the only reason you can utter that remark is because we allowed ourselves to be brainwashed by the MSM."
Are you proposing that the government dictate what the radio stations can and can't broadcast? I only jokingly call you wingnuts Nazis, I'm not sure sure anymore, you sound like the real deal.
"Texas is so corrupt that a recent NY Times articles is quoted as saying that Spanish radio stations alert their listeners as to where Border Patrol agents have setup check points. And the Texas Government tolerates that?"
So the lookout guy at a robbery scene would go unpunished by your standards then right?
We should deport you as well...
so then you do think radio stations should be censored?
Wow, genius, what happens when you say a FOUR letter word on the radio now?
I post that illegals more than pay their way in forms of taxes. You write some gibberish about radio stations and four letter words.
And you right wing nutjobs wonder why nobody takes you seriously.
These murderous, child-raping mexican savages have got to go....now. You've all heard me say it before, but I guess I need say it again. Criminal mexican invaders now kill more Americans each and every year, than were killed on 9/11. It never ceases to amaze me that there are actually some "men" out there that are so castrated, so indoctrinated, that they see no problem with these child-raping murderers flooding into our once great nation. Folks, these criminal mestizo wetbacks are domestic enemies, plain and simple. Please........ don't aid and abbett our enemies.
That crap you posted can't possibly be true, because the Federal Government has said that they can't put a correct number on the amount of illegals in this country. But yet, the great state of "Dear National Guard, George won't be flying today" can?
Sure thing, every government statistic is a lie in right wing loon world, I forgot.
Source? Oh wait according to Patches, all government stats are lies. Never mind.
"Criminal mexican invaders now kill more Americans each and every year, than were killed on 9/11."
Worldnet daily,
Illegal immigrants kill 12 Americans EVERY DAY!!
Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan
worldnetdaily
11/28/06
WASHINGTON – While the military "quagmire" in Iraq was said to tip the scales of power in the U.S. midterm elections, most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens – men, women and children – were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.
- Total U.S. troop deaths in Iraq as of last week were reported at 2,863.
- 12 Americans are murdered by illegal aliens EVERY DAY
- This translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.
- 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers EVER DAY– for another annual death toll of 4,745. That's 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.
- The 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests – some eight arrests per illegal alien;
- Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses – some 13 offenses per illegal alien;
- 36 percent had been arrested at least five times before.
-Eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day – a total of 2,920 annually.
Total U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan during the five years of the Afghan campaign are currently at 289, according to the Department of Defense.
But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.
While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says
While no one – in or out of government – tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year's 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens.
A report by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Study found 20 percent of fatal accidents involve at least one driver who lacks a valid license. In California, another study showed that those who have never held a valid license are about five times more likely to be involved in a fatal road accident than licensed drivers.
Statistically, that makes them an even greater danger on the road than drivers whose licenses have been suspended or revoked – and nearly as dangerous as drunk drivers.
In April 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003.
Based on a one-year in-depth study, Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute of Atlanta estimates there are about 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States who have had an average of four victims each. She analyzed 1,500 cases from January 1999 through April 2006 that included serial rapes, serial murders, sexual homicides and child molestation committed by illegal immigrants.
As the number of illegal aliens in the U.S. increases, so does the number of American victims.
According to Edwin Rubenstien, president of ESR Research Economic Consultants, in Indianapolis in 1980, federal and state correctional facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. But at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in all U.S. jails and prisons.
While the federal government doesn't track illegal alien murders, illegal alien rapes or illegal alien drunk driving deaths, it has studied illegal aliens incarcerated in U.S. prisons.
Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.
"While the vast majority of illegal aliens are decent people who work hard and are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, (something you or I would probably do if we were in their place), it is also a fact that a disproportionately high percentage of illegal aliens are criminals and sexual predators," states Peter Wagner, author of a new report called "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration." "That is part of the dark side of illegal immigration and when we allow the 'good' in we get the 'bad' along with them. The question is, how much 'bad' is acceptable and at what price?"
These child-raping savages have got to go..... at any and all costs
World Net Daily as a source? Are you kidding me?
If it's on the internet it must be true.
Oh Christ, they just printed the article, check the sources yourself there ya nutless wonder. Or can you even read the article?
But I thought government stats are never to be trusted. How can we trust this illegal report?
Look out, there's a brown man hiding in your closet and he wants to murder and rape you!!!
Oh wait, that's just Jesus the carpet cleaner. Never mind.
I assume none of you are Italian, Irish or Eastern Europeans. If you are just know that the same vile hatred you have for Mexicans is no different than the vile hatred "Americans" had for your decendants 100 years ago.
descendants
Oh God, here we go with the "hate" thing again............ Please anon, do us all a favor and grow a set, you'll get used to em' eventually I promise.
Don't start with your Irish and Italian crap. How many Mexicans are getting off the boat at Ellis Island?
From the Chicago Post:
"The Irish fill our prisons, our poor houses...Scratch a convict or a pauper, and the chances are that you tickle the skin of an Irish Catholic. Putting them on a boat and sending them home would end crime in this country."
Sound familiar?
Hmmm sound familiar?
Some 914,000 Irish came to the United States in the 1850s, with 170,000 arriving in 1852 alone. According to the 1850 census, more than 48 percent of Boston's labor force and 15 percent of the city's domestic servants had been born in Ireland. According to the 1865 "Annual Report of the Chief of Police," 75.8 percent of arrested and detained individuals were born in Ireland.
lol, this guy can't be serious, can he?
honica,
Are you saying Irish were welcomed with open arms? You need a history lesson if you do.
No, let me state the obvious for you...... They were white Europeans, they intended to assimilate. These criminal invading, murderous child-raping, filthy mestizo wetbacks have no such plans.
You are a moron honica. Irish were considered just barely above niggers. Ever hear the term "No Irish Need Apply"?
What else would I expect from you though. I guess your 'ma didn't teach you that kind of history while home schooling you in the trailer huh?
As for assimilation, if you ever actually talked to a Mexican you might find that they want to assimilate plenty. But it's easier to get your info from World Net Daily where every mexican wants to rape your daughter.
I'm sorry, were you trying to make a point?
Anonymous said...
Cow guy,
I pay decent wages to my hired help. I may $60 every two weeks to have my home cleaned. It is two Mexican (I assume) women for spend 2.5 hours on average. So $12 an hour for both of them.
My landscape guy (also Mexican) varies by season but on average I'd say he gets $12-15 an hour from me as well.
How much more would you sugget yard work or house cleaning is worth?
Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:04:15 PM
I dont know, but stop the illegal immigration and you will soon find out. however Stopping illegal immigration without snipping off the "legal" inflow of high tech labor, and the "legal" in flow of goods made in other countries with labor from other countries is nothing but shooting yourself in the foot. You'd pay 2-3-4 times you are now for everything that is a service and receive very very little by way of increased wages. We cant send jobs to china and India and bring in high tech labor from India and china and get rid of illegals. That isn't going to do it. There has to be a gradual process away from foreign made goods and foreign labor. Imagine your china-mart receipt X 5 and your grocery bill X 5 and your services X 5 without your wages X 5. We cannot cut it off, we have to squeeze it out.
BTW I am foreign born and I have no qualms with accepting the problem caused by 1000's of similar workers.
Whenever I hear "But immigrants built this country" I feel like saying - Yea ... Illegals ??? and besides I am not so sure this country was that bad before the "Immigrants built it" ...
Cool.
Cow_tipping.
And to reinforce Honica's point ...
I am integrating too ... and consider this home, and I am in debt to my eyeballs too (the american way isn't it) Anyway I get the point. Foreigners that dont care for the country sorta send money back home to be invested/spent there and dont fully contribute to the economy except to consume.
Cool.
Cow_tipping.
Jesus, the retard anon wants to compare 1 million Irish processed through Ellis Island to 11 million illegal Mexicans that hopped the border and call us dumb...
No open spaces with the countries population exploding.
There is TOO MUCH traffic, urban sprawl, etc. There are water problems in the west ALREADY.
So if we have 10x as many people, it'll be no problem.
You're the asshole. Ignorant fool. Check what happened to Haiti with unchecked population growth. Tropical paradise with dense forests to wasteland.
But Mexicans have the right to come here and anyone against unlimited immigration is racist.
Did you know (of course not) that the total number of Italians coming here was 6 million total? Now we have 3 million illegals EVERY YEAR. And we're supposed to make them citizens? FU. Most of them don't even want to be citizens, they just want a few bucks.
Every country in the world has immigration policies and they are stricter than the US's non enforced policies. But according to swine like you, the US isn't allowed to control immigration. FU.
"We cant send jobs to china and India and bring in high tech labor from India and china and get rid of illegals."
If that happens I guess it would only be fair then that the thousands of US employees at SAP, the thousands of US employees at Toyota, the thousands of US employees at Deutche Bank, the thousands of US employees at Honda, the thousands of US employees at Sony, the thousands of US employees at IBM and the thousands of employees at every single foreign owned company would be fired.
"There has to be a gradual process away from foreign made goods and foreign labor."
Great so we can go back to the glory days of having only US made cars as an option. I can't wait until there's no more competition from Toyota and Honda. Boy oh boy won't that be swell!!
Patches,
As a % of the US population, the 1 million Irish was way higher than 11 million Mexicans.
Yes you are dumb.
US companies employ people overseas too.
It's legal.
Stopping ILLEGAL immigration doesn't mean that Toyota has to shut a factory. They don't have anything to do with each other.
Does Japan have illegal immigration? No. So I guess they aren't allowed to have any foreign plants then either? Huh?
El Stupido,
6 million out of what US population at the time? US population in 1900 was 75 million you imbecile. 6/75 would be equal to 24 million of today's US population. And that was just Italians. Add in Irish and Eastern Europeans as a % of the population in the 1910s and it would be like having 100 million foreign born people today.
Did your mama teach you anything while home schooling you in the trailer?
"Did you know (of course not) that the total number of Italians coming here was 6 million total? Now we have 3
If anything was going to be done about illegals this was the year. You had the right wing loons running things in Congress and even so you coudln't get jack shit passed. Now with left wing idiots running things, illegals are getting amnesty. Like it or not HPers, the 20 million brown people you despise will be citizens in a few short years.
Better get used to it.
VIVA MEXICO!!
VIVA LA RAZA!!
Well OK maybe not, but I'm sure your fucktard blood pressure rises a little each time you see that.
God I wish I had been home schooled in a trailer.
honica was educated by jews all his life and is confused
I assume none of you are Italian, Irish or Eastern Europeans. If you are just know that the same vile hatred you have for Mexicans is no different than the vile hatred "Americans" had for your decendants 100 years ago.
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Oh, what B.S. There's a big difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrants. Legal immigrants are fine in my book, but illegal immigrants are trespassers.
If anything was going to be done about illegals this was the year. You had the right wing loons running things in Congress and even so you coudln't get jack shit passed. Now with left wing idiots running things, illegals are getting amnesty. Like it or not HPers, the 20 million brown people you despise will be citizens in a few short years. Better get used to it.
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Not necessarily. If EVERY Democrat who opposes amnesty for illegal immigrants writes their Congressman, the Democrats will have to face reality about their current policies.
The ICE ( nee INS ) raids on the Swift meat packing plant, arresting hundreds of illegal aliens across the country and locally in Greely, CO
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4825289
seemed to have had an effect - there are ads on local radio from Swift looking for workers; in anticipation of the incoming storm I went shopping this morning; It was a case of "Where's the BEEF?" -the supplies of meat were really low and there was little choice. I checked all 3 local supermarket chains - it was the same everwhere - and it was just meat - other supplies - poultry, dairy products, bread and so on were just fine.
It was also an interesting insight into the perils of the just-in-time supply chain managed food chain.
BTW, I don't attack or blame the illegal aliens; they are just doing what they can to get a better living. If they were paid better so that they could afford and DID pay for their health care and taxes to support schooling then it would be no skin off my nose. Its the employers who hire at low wages, the lack of border enforcement by the Feds ( which keeps the supply of labor up ) that gets up my nose.
-K
You can't be serious. No really come on, nobody can be this gullible. Even assuming that an anti-Amnesty Democrat exists and even assuming that they all send letters...when in the past 220 years of US history has any politican actually done what a voter wanted?
"Not necessarily. If EVERY Democrat who opposes amnesty for illegal immigrants writes their Congressman, the Democrats will have to face reality about their current policies."
As I've said before, what NEEDS to happen is this:
1. Deport ALL non-white europeans who have invaded our country over the past 50 years, along with any and all offspring they may have had.
2. Make the ENTIRE mexican/american border into a mine field.
3. Lynch or machine gun to death every last treasonous polititian that has supported this criminal invasion in any way shape or form.
4. Write new legislation making it easier and incentive laden for white Europeans to immigrate here.
You people crack me up, really you do. The people in the raid will be deported. The very next day they will come back and go work somewhere else. SWIFT will hire some Americans. Those Americans will last about a week, quit and be replaced by another illegals.
It boggles the mind at the lack of reality from you people.
"The ICE ( nee INS ) raids on the Swift meat packing plant, arresting hundreds of illegal aliens across the country and locally in Greely, CO
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4825289
seemed to have had an effect - there are ads on local radio from Swift looking for workers;"
hey honica,
While making your list of things that will never happen, can you add this
#5 Victoria Secret models will by law have to perform oral sex on any man they pass on the street
That's what the land mines are for.
Illegals aren't to blame. Welfare is to blame. If we had no welfare then those currently on welfare would be working and doing what illegals are doing. But if given the choice of $8 an hour on welfare or $8 an hour working at a chicken processing plant, who in their right mind would choose the chicken processing?
Folks, why are you still spewing all this monkey spank about welfare, demoncrats, ect? There's really just one question that needs to be asked..... Do you, or do you not support the wholesale slaughter of your fellow American's by these criminal-invading, murderous child-raping, filthy mestizo wetbacks?
Isn't it amazing that every time Keith posts an illegal immigration thread all these cheerleaders show up?
I think they're scared and they should be.
I also don't notice any of these anon wizards mentioning that in past years we purposely brought people here to work versus these Mexicans that invited themselves across the border...
This is what makes me so angry. The Fed's enforce the Tax code like the Waffen SS. The state troopers spend more money on speed traps in most states than on investigating and solving murders. The US Military is patrolling the Iraq/Iran border to keep 'insurgents' out.
But the F**king Congress and elected hacks refuse to enforce border and immigration laws on our books for decades that are essential to any nations survival in exchange for Pacho's illegal votes. That is treason and thats what makes me so angry.
Maybe that's because without tax collections by the IRS the country would not function. Without speed traps everyone would drive 100 mph. In other words, society would suffer without enforcement of these laws.
Having illegal Jose clean my shit stained toilets without the proper SSN harms nobody.
See the difference there Adolf?
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This is what makes me so angry. The Fed's enforce the Tax code like the Waffen SS. The state troopers spend more money on speed traps in most states than on investigating and solving murders. The US Military is patrolling the Iraq/Iran border to keep 'insurgents' out.
But the F**king Congress and elected hacks refuse to enforce border and immigration laws on our books for decades that are essential to any nations survival in exchange for Pacho's illegal votes. That is treason and thats what makes me so angry.
At least we can take satisfaction that these illegals don't live free like Americans. They hide, constantly look over their shoulders, and live in fear of being caught. They get victimized by thugs that used to work the jobs they took, and they're scared to report it. They also don't live in comfort like Americans, instead they're piled twelve deep and sleeping on the floor.
Enjoy your stay while it lasts...
RE: anon 10:19
Lack of reality ? I was pointing out the reality of the local effects of deportation. Its a real life, albeit very mild, version of the movie:
"A Day Without a Mexican (Spanish: Un DÃa sin mexicanos) "
a 2004 film directed by Sergio Arau. Check imdb.com or wikipedia.org for more details.
-K
The basis of the US Constitution is the obligation to enforce the law evenly and fairly. That means immigration laws as well as any other sections of the US Code. This concept is sometime refered to as "equal protection". I post this knowing full well this is beyound the academic bandwidth of the last poster. Absent that policy any country declines into chaos.
Patches,
Do you live in Montana or something a la the Unabomber? Have you actually seen or met a Mexican? Sounds like everything you know about illegals you read on world net daily or some other far right website.
They do not live 12 deep sleeping on the floor. They live in regular apartments/homes...just like the white people do.
They are not looking over their shoulder you cretin. Oustide of neo-nazi hangouts like this, nobody cares about them. The INS or ICE or whatever the fuck it's called thse days has less than 200 interior agents. Do the math. 200 agents, 20 million illegals. Yea I'm sure they're scared to death of being found.
They aren't going anwyhere. They have kids in schools here. They have roots. They have family and friends. Just because you are a nazi piece of shit who doesn't like them, won't make them go away.
Now don't you have a white robe to dry clean for the meeting tonight?
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Patch Tuesday said...
At least we can take satisfaction that these illegals don't live free like Americans. They hide, constantly look over their shoulders, and live in fear of being caught. They get victimized by thugs that used to work the jobs they took, and they're scared to report it. They also don't live in comfort like Americans, instead they're piled twelve deep and sleeping on the floor.
Enjoy your stay while it lasts...
Again, you're the asshole. 6 million over decades when the country was empty and the western states weren't officially "states" yet.
The population was 1/3 of what it is now..that doesn't mean to be "fair" we need to take in 3 times as many Mexicans. Quite the contrary. We were underpopulated at the time. Now that's not the case.
And forget the gibberish about only as crowded as Western Europe if we take in the world's population. We are 3x the size of India and they have 1 billion people. If we had 6 billion then we'd be twice as densely populated as India. Beautiful. That's my point, asshole. We don't want that. We don't want to live in some god-forsaken monstrous slum like Mexico City. That's YOUR shit hole. You live there you stupid animal.
Now we're FULL UP. 6% of the east coast is PAVED, as in parking lot, road, etc.
We have no obligation, NONE, to take in the hordes of the world, just because we, at one, point, did.
Every other country in the world has immigration laws. THEY ENFORCE THEM. Including Mexico. All Americans are asking is that our laws be enforced.
And there's a difference in intellect between the Irish, Italians on one hand and illiterate Mexican peasants on the other. No gracias. GO HOME.
The ironic thing is most Mexicans here don't even want citizenship, they just want a few bucks. It's the democratic lawmakers who are desperate for their illiterate, poverty stricken votes who want to make them citizens.
In LA illegals often rent a room from an illegal who owns a home. It's not uncommon to have an entire family in ONE ROOM of the house. That's the only way they can make the payments.
Most illegals are making $5-10 an hour. You do the math.
Nice life.
So many broken laws, where shall we start with "equal enforcement(sic) under the law" ?
How about Bush ? Attorney-General Gonzalez ? the tens of thousands of employers that employ illegal aliens ?
Nope.. pick on the weak, the defenceless - the classic bullies response.
The whole thing is f*cked. But start at the freakin' top. Start with the enablers. Otherwise it puts this country's population that allows this lop-sided enforcement, its "democracy" to shame.
-K
Nice to feel this way about immigrants, legal or illegal when you are born in one of the richest countries in the world. What if the shoe was reversed? How many American's would be migrating to Mexico for work?
I remember how GIs in the PI use to judge the young women working the bars or selling themselves for a hot shower and I'd ask, "What do you think you'd do or your daughter if you had to live under these same conditions? I guess like the movie Trading places, how would we act? What would we do? Poverty and hunger is a strong motivator.
You got to appreciate their drive. I can't imagine just packing a sack and leaving the USA for a country unknown where I don't know anyone or even speak the language. We'd freak to think about moving to say France even if we had $10,000 in our pocket and an education and then have to worry about how will we get a job, how will we communicate, will we get caught and deported.
I admire anyone who can come to this country and in a few years with all those obstacles have more than someone who has been on welfare their whole life with no motivation to get out of the projects.
brianb,
You are such an eneducated moron. India's population density is 329/km². To put that in context so that your small brain can comprehend, New Jersey, which is the densest state is 438 /Km². This means New Jersey is more crowded than India.
The US as a whole is 29.77 /Km². We could bring in 1 billion people and you'd hardly notice.
In other words you sir are a complete dumb fuck.
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And forget the gibberish about only as crowded as Western Europe if we take in the world's population. We are 3x the size of India and they have 1 billion people. If we had 6 billion then we'd be twice as densely populated as India. Beautiful. That's my point, asshole. We don't want that. We don't want to live in some god-forsaken monstrous slum like Mexico City. That's YOUR shit hole. You live there you stupid animal.
Now we're FULL UP. 6% of the east coast is PAVED, as in parking lot, road, etc.
brianb,
You are seriously fucked dude. The Irish that came here in the 1840s were peasants too. Who do you think came over on the famine boats, aritocrats? No you dumb fuck, the poor, uneducated peasants who had no other choice other than starvation.
God almighty do you have a clue about anything?
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And there's a difference in intellect between the Irish, Italians on one hand and illiterate Mexican peasants on the other. No gracias. GO HOME.
Foxwood,
Once again a lone voice of reason in this sea of stupidity, racism, xenophobia and outright paranoia.
Thank you sir.
Retard says: "Do you live in Montana or something a la the Unabomber? Have you actually seen or met a Mexican? Sounds like everything you know about illegals you read on world net daily or some other far right website."
NY Times: "Mr. Brokaw visits a four-bedroom house where one of Mr. Gould’s workers lives with 17 other people. Only one of the 18 is an American, a 2-year-old who was born in the United States.
NY Times: "The farmer who stopped to check their progress had lost 28 other workers in a raid in October, all illegal Mexican immigrants with false work permits at another farm here in western New York. Throughout the region, farm hands have simply disappeared by twos and threes, picked up on a Sunday as they went to church or to the laundry. Whole families have gone into hiding, like the couple who spent the night with their child in a plastic calf hutch.
NY Times: "SAN ANTONIO — Verónica keeps her foot steady on the pedal. She turns onto a side street, where trouble is easier to avoid. A yellow traffic light flashes and she stops; running it is not an option. Verónica, 31, does not take chances. In her mind, she already took the biggest chance of her life by moving here illegally from Monterrey, Mexico, with a husband and three young children. Now she has too much to lose.
NY Times: "Spanish-language radio also does its part; “limones verdes” — or green limes — “are sprouting” near the highway, an announcer warns over the radio, using shorthand for the agents’ green uniforms.
Yep, sounds like I'm the one living in the dark retard...
Patches,
So you've answered my question. You don't know any Mexicans. The only info you have is from the web.
What a fucking douchebag you are.
Patches,
Do the math.
200 interior agents at the ICE.
20 million illegals.
Let's say each of the 200 arrests 10 illegals a day. That is 2000 a day. If each of the 200 worked 365 days a year it would take 27 years to find and arrest every illegal in the country.
Illegals know this and they know they have nothing to fear.
Anon Says: Patches, So you've answered my question. You don't know any Mexicans. The only info you have is from the web. What a fucking douchebag you are.
I'll let you in this secret anon. I live in an apartment. All the mailboxes in the complex where white or black people live have two names max on the mailboxes. The Mexican mailboxes all have 4-6 last names on them depending if it's a two or three bedroom. The lady that cleans the common areas of the stairwell jokes that one building of six apartments has 150 Mexicans living in it.
All the Mexicans living here ride to work in 12 passenger vans provided by a national landscaping company, or get picked up in ones and two's by smaller landscaping companies, or construction companies. Others walk to work at fast food joints. Most don't own cars.
For fun I've checked some business licenses on the state website and some of these landscaping companies don't exist? Sure sounds like they're paying taxes doesn't it?
Me? I'm retired from defending this country. I just sit back and watch the whole circus every morning while I'm out walking my big, mean dog...
Just enforce the law without exception. If you have a differing opinion express it through your vote. If you are illegally here, go home and vote for policy that will correct your country.
"We could take in a billion people and hardly notice."
Simply a breathtakingly stupid statement.
Yes the country could quadruple it's population and it'd be no big deal!
NJ is the most densely populated state. I don't want the whole US to look like that. There isn't even enough water in most of the country for that to even remotely happen. I don't want to be even remotely as densely populated as India. We have too many people as it is, especially if they are non-english speaking wetbacks like you. GO HOME.
The Irish came here LEGALLY. They were wanted, the country was empty. Oklahoma wasn't even a state until almost 1900. AZ until after 1900.
What about the millions of acres of farmland? Should we pave all those over so your mexican friends can come here free and have a shack to live in?
Should we truck in the water for them too? Using your logic we could put 100million in AZ. Why not? It's not like there's a lack of water or anything! Fool.
You are the imbecile.
Patch,
Yes, they are hardworking, for the most part. Although 1/4 of the prisoners in LA county jails are illegals. And 1/2 the births in S. Texas are from illegals...which means they are free (well the taxpayers ie suckers pick it up).
But the system is not sustainable. No other country would or does tolerate something like this. We already have more LEGAL immigration than almost all other countries, having unchecked, uncounted, illegal immigration is too much to ask. That's not "blaming the victim" that's just reality. If other countries are so nice, why don't they tolerate this level of immigration?
The country of Mexico needs to get its act together instead of using the US as a dumping ground for all its poor and illiterate.
And yes, I know that Irish came over were poor. But they knew English and were willing to adopt the culture, which wasn't that much different than their own. We are rapidly becoming Balkanized and it's a sure road to the destruction of the country.
Listen to this illegal ingrate tell us we would "hardly notice it" if we had to quadruple the popuulation of the country. Like if that many illegals want to come, who are we to complain! It's not like it's OUR COUNTRY or anything.
Not all of them. Estimates vary but it is agreed by most that anywhere from 25% to 40% of Irish immigrants did not speak English upon arrival to the US.
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And yes, I know that Irish came over
were poor. But they knew English and were willing to adopt the culture,
Patches,
So basically you are saying you live in the ghetto and you were - to paraphrase John Kerry - too stupid to do anything else but join the military? Oh and you are a renter too.
I can see why you are angry at the world. We all need scapegoats, mexicans are yours.
I understand.
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Patch Tuesday said...
Anon Says: Patches, So you've answered my question. You don't know any Mexicans. The only info you have is from the web. What a fucking douchebag you are.
I'll let you in this secret anon. I live in an apartment. All the mailboxes in the complex where white or black people live have two names max on the mailboxes. The Mexican mailboxes all have 4-6 last names on them depending if it's a two or three bedroom. The lady that cleans the common areas of the stairwell jokes that one building of six apartments has 150 Mexicans living in it.
All the Mexicans living here ride to work in 12 passenger vans provided by a national landscaping company, or get picked up in ones and two's by smaller landscaping companies, or construction companies. Others walk to work at fast food joints. Most don't own cars.
For fun I've checked some business licenses on the state website and some of these landscaping companies don't exist? Sure sounds like they're paying taxes doesn't it?
Me? I'm retired from defending this country. I just sit back and watch the whole circus every morning while I'm out walking my big, mean dog...
Brian,
I'm 100% on your side. And, Mexico has no intention of fixing the immigration problem. Why would they? Half their income is repatriated funds sent back their via Walmart and Western Union.
Somebody mentioned the Minutemen earlier. Great group, but they're misguided. They think sitting on the border doing the Federal Governments job is the answer. It's not, we need more drastic measures.
Like minded people should begin identifying a state to start moving to and start there. If enough like minded folks get together, then the politicians there won't be able to get away with selling the souls for the Hispanic vote, nor would the residents have to tolerate illegals.
BrianB:
You are CORRECT. If the US needs immigrants we as citizens should be able to recruit them from the world, not just the uneducated peons flowing in from mexico. There are plenty of worthy Phd. and MDs from Eastern Europe and china that deserve as much a chance to immigrate than the lucky few pesants that can walk into the US from our southern joke of a border.
Really? So some Irish didn't know English, although they'd probably heard it alot.
But somehow within a generation that wasn't a problem.
Did they have "bilingual" education in schools? You know so their kids could be taught in Gaelic? No? Why do they now? This asshole would be the first to scream "racism" if they got rid of bilingual education, yet they didn't have it for the Irish, Italians, Germans, Swedes, or any other group.
Did the Irish have 50% dropout rates out of high school like the Mexicans have?
In the 1840s less than 10% of the population went to school moron. You people have no sense of history do you?
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Did the Irish have 50% dropout rates out of high school like the Mexicans have?
Here's the definitive article on what this idiot wetback wants to do. Destroy our country.
"You could take in a billion people (poverty stricken people in need of welfare, free medical care, free education (in their native language, anything less is racism), free housing) and you'd hardly notice it!".
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We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his
thoughts are particularly poignant.
Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in
Washington, DC , filled to capacity by many of America 's finest minds
and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen
Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how
immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of
California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed
all vestiges of The American Dream.
Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave
a stunning speech on how to destroy America . The audience sat spellbound
as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States He
said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too
rich, then let's destroy America . It is not that hard to do. No nation
in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that
all great civilizations rise and fall and that an autopsy of history
would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"
"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "First, to destroy America , turn
America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country."
History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and
antagonism of two or more competing languagesand cultures. It is a
blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a
society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it
this way : "The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do
not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada ,
Belgium , Malaysia , and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in
which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and
Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces
difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.".
Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America , "Invent 'multiculturalism' and
encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an
article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural
differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and
Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by
the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.
Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much
effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As enjamin
Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent experiment
might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the
dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an
American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us
together."
Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language
and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl
metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural
subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as
Americans, emphasizing their similarities."
"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated,
and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass
have a 50% dropout rate from high school."
"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations
and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in
ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would
get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of
the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority
failure on the majority population."
"My sixth plan for America 's downfall would include dual citizenship,
and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I
would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people
orldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are
not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against
most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep
a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that
they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and
literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in
the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet
all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local
patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political
divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that
historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of
the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."
"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to
talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word
similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and
paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion
and debate.
Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established
multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of
'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration
laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration ion has been
good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual
immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of
them."
In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound
silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor Victor
Hanson Davis's book "Mexifornia." His book is dangerous. It exposes the
plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed,
don't read that book."
There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud
above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew
that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly,
darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today.
Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the
foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even
barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation is growing as
we celebrate ' diversity.'
American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a
Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to
date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of
George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in
the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery,"
and "Ignorance is strength."
Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the
conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is
deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration
monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California
wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American
Dream.
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Do you read a lot of English? No such word as alot there Mr. I hate immigrants cuz they don't speak English.
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Really? So some Irish didn't know English, although they'd probably heard it alot.
Idiot wetbacks want to destroy our country? No you imbecile they want to clean your toilet for $7 an hour.
Talk all the smack you want anon, we've all gotten to see just how pathetic you really are. Talk about a flop flopper! Us soldiers had a name for people like you; we called you a "ball-less wonder."
In the 1840s less than 10% of the population went to school moron. You people have no sense of history do you?
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Did the Irish have 50% dropout rates out of high school like the Mexicans have?
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So let me get this straight.
Back then people came over. No welfare, no medical care, no public schools, they were on their own...the country was largely uninhabited and the country was actively LOOKING for people to settle lands, start farms etc. IE the Oklahoma land rush, etc.
Now "immigrants" are coming illegally. AT much higher numbers. Although adjusted for population it's similar relatively. Althought it's stupid to adjust for population because that's the whole point; the country is now full and can't take in as many people as when it was empty, let alone taking in 4 times as many.
Today's immigrants (illegals) get taught in their native language. This guarantees they will never assimilate. Free medical care, free housing assistance, food, whatever they need. They are forming an ethnic block, completely unassimilated, massive in size, growing exponentially.
Yes, no problem there. It's pretty much the same thing. Because immigration was once good, it's always good.
Give me a break Patches. With a few exceptions, everyone in the military is there because they had no other options.
I think Kerry is a dumb fuck like you, but on that he was dead on.
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"Talk all the smack you want anon, we've all gotten to see just how pathetic you really are. Talk about a flop flopper! Us soldiers had a name for people like you; we called you a "ball-less wonder."
Have you ever flown coast to coast or driven coast to coast. If you have there is no way a non-retarded person could say the country is full. Do yourself a favor and get out of LA, there is a whole country out there that is empty.
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"Althought it's stupid to adjust for population because that's the whole point; the country is now full."
Are you kidding me? Why would the ILLEGAL aliens leave? In a couple of months, the Democrats will offer Amnesty to the 12-20 million ILLEGAL aliens in the U.S.Then they can bring their other family members to the U.S. LEGALLY. and after they are legal they will qualify for WELFARE.They stay , we pay. If you are sick and tired of the invasion, go tp www.numbersusa.com they have effective and convenient e-mails to your representative.
Really? Where? Not in California. Not in Arizona. Not in Nevada. In all these states bilingual education has been abolished.
Stop reading world net daily and get a clue.
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Today's immigrants (illegals) get taught in their native language.
Geez, now Anon is going to say that West Point Military officers have no other choices, and that's why they're in the military.
So all of those brave young men such as that NFL football player that died, that went out and joined the military after 911 were just dumb right?
Retard, some people actually want to serve and protect their country, not give it away, or sell it, unlike your pathetic ass.
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So all of those brave young men such as that NFL football player that died.
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You should check out the "IN MEMORIAM" scroll at the end of "This Week" every Sunday 9 am Mtn.- the number of Hispanic names amongst those who have been killed in Iraq / Afghanistan is striking.
Legal? probably. Illegal ? maybe.. born of illegals ? getting warm....Brothers, cousins, uncles,husbands of illegals ? You betcha.
Any policy to get us out of this mess has to account for THEIR sentiments AND votes. You saw what happened to the presidential candidacy of Wilson, one time governor of Cali.. because of his support of Prop 13. Would Prop 13 even pass now ?
-K
Roadside bombs don't discrimate, but you can rest assured, it's not illegal aliens from Mexico that are sucking up schrapnel in Iraq...
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Re: patch:
but you can rest assured, it's not illegal aliens from Mexico that are sucking up schrapnel in Iraq...
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Here's a rinse and repeat:
Legal? probably. Illegal ? maybe.. born of illegals ? getting warm....Brothers, cousins, uncles,husbands of illegals ? You betcha.
Add friends to that too.
-K
Patches,
Did you go to West Point? If you had you wouldnt be living in the ghetto today.
I have respect for comissioned officers. They choose the military as a career.
You grunts on the other hand choose it because your only other options are jail or flipping burgers.
sk,
do you mean Prop 187?
Oh and patches, anyone who joined after 9-11 was even more idiotic than the fools like you. What did they think they would do, hunt down Osama and be national heroes? Pathetic fools. Well intentioned, but god awfl stupid.
Change your song again anon? Now it's not "all the military is dumb, just some of it? You really should get back on your schitzo meds...
Time to kick a new dog.
George Wetard Bush gave us the "no child left behind act," which he doesn't fund by the way, and then proceeds to let millions of uneducated illegals walk into the country. Add insult to injury, it's federal law that all children in America must attend school, and the end result is many school districts are going to hell...
RE anon 2:37
Yup - my mistake - Prop 187 not 13.
-K
Nice to feel this way about immigrants, legal or illegal when you are born in one of the richest countries in the world. What if the shoe was reversed? How many American's would be migrating to Mexico for work?
I remember how GIs in the PI use to judge the young women working the bars or selling themselves for a hot shower and I'd ask, "What do you think you'd do or your daughter if you had to live under these same conditions? I guess like the movie Trading places, how would we act? What would we do? Poverty and hunger is a strong motivator.
You got to appreciate their drive. I can't imagine just packing a sack and leaving the USA for a country unknown where I don't know anyone or even speak the language. We'd freak to think about moving to say France even if we had $10,000 in our pocket and an education and then have to worry about how will we get a job, how will we communicate, will we get caught and deported.
I admire anyone who can come to this country and in a few years with all those obstacles have more than someone who has been on welfare their whole life with no motivation to get out of the projects.
Fox can you explain the difference between a GI using a poor hooker and an employer taking advantage of an illegal laborer, which you obviously condone, for the group?
PS, and I understand the issues of illegal immigration but we still are talking about humanity here. Easy to judge when in a position of power and history is full of stories of immigration, how else did europeans come to the Americas?
Sort of like religion. You can be taught things about religion and at some point the just don't work and you have to accept that there is either something wrong with you or with what you are taught...usually it is what you were taught. So you change. If the system about immigration is broken you either fix it or change it. If we admit we need immigrants then open the door. If not, close it.
It is the charade that is wrong, not those who seek a better life. The day may come when American's need to migrate south or to Europe or Asia for a better life. And just because of manifest destiny our borders were expanded and Americans have the freedom to move from Maine to Hawai how does that make it any different than someone from Sonora moving to Arizona...Maine is a lot further away than Hawai. So an immigrant from Maine to Hawai is any different than the one from Sonora to Arizona? Maybe if you distinquish a Mexican from a US citizen but not if you look at both as Americans.
Who decides when to close the door? In the SW indians and mexicans have for hundred's of years crossed these imaginary borders, have family, social and cultural ties on both sides of the border. If the civil war had suceeded then would it be wrong for families in the North to visit familes in the South? To migrate north or south? Borders change...just look at the changes in Africa or the Ottoman empire made by the French, the British, the Germans, the Portuguese..artificial. If Europe can break down their borders and integrate so many diverse countries, cultures, languages, economic systems, different standards of living, why can't we in the Americas?
Better yet Fox, everyday in America we create native born citizens that are stupid, didn't finish high school, made a mistake and ended up with a life long prison record etc.
If you're giving the jobs these people would normally work to illegals that will work even cheaper, what exactly is it that these people are doing?
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I used to work with a guy who was pro-illegal. You know, "they're honest, hardworking people who are just doing jobs that Americans won't do", "they aren't hurting anybody", "they bring in more taxes than are spent on them", all the usual bullshit.
Then a funny thing happened. Some Brazilians moved in to the apartment next to his. Within a few weeks he was converted to favoring enforcement of our immigration laws (something that months of periodic arguments with him couldn't do).
First-hand contact with a third world culture has a great way of showing you the light.
"they're honest, hardworking people who are just doing jobs that Americans won't do"
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Sounds like the guy in the story was getting $15 an hour for semi-skilled construction work. I'd bet there are plenty of un- or under-employed people that are here LEGALLY that wouldn't mind a job like that.
Honest people? They broke the law to be here! How honest does THAT make them?
Some Brazilians moved in to the apartment next to his.
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And Brazil is one of the "more advanced" Latin American countries. We'll soon have another 20 million new Mexican citizens after the latest "amnestia."
In the past, when we had waves of immigration i. e. Irish, Chinese, Italian etc. they came in relatively short time spans such as 3- 7 years. Then the new immigrants worked hard to assimilate and become good Americans. The problems with the Mexicans is that they have come for 50 years and are demanding everything be translated into Spanish. They HATE America.
Yeah, I can still remember all those Chinese and Italians taking a day off to march against Washington. Waving those flags around upside down. Man, that day without laundry and pizza really sucked...
Hey, the majority of the US want the laws enforced, which make illegals criminals. The border is there for economic as well as military and soverign reasons. Do you open the door of your home to anyone who walks down the block and let them in to take whatever they please? The pro-illegal posters on this board are willing to abate ongoing crimes and controvert the majority as reflected in standing law. They are just as wrong (yet self-rightous) as the invading hordes of Mexicans.
Earlier generations of European immigrants assimilated and learned the language, got jobs, paid taxes and contributed to American society and culture. My 1st generation Grandfather (Irish descent) considered himself a New Yorker and an American-- and proud of it. I hear Central Americans and other immigrants saying "in my country balh blah blah..." all the time. They share nothing, feel nothing for the culture of US save for the $ and a physical location on which to set up their own cultural ghettoes. They are gleeful at their growing numbers.
Perhaps this is because multiculturalist baloney has permitted this, or it's the non-European, mestizo culture that just doesn't fit, but it is already a mess and quickly getting worse.
To those LaRaza apologists here who criticize "right wing nuts", you are deracinated, wimpy white males without the balls to take a stand. For all that is screwed up with their cultures, mestizos love and preserve their identity, unlike the white Euro fag multiculturalists who bend over and become welcome mats for illegal invaders and destroyers of this country.
HUH? Ever been to Chinatown in SF or NY? Assimilate?
I suppose along with the spics, we should send all the chinks home too huh Adlof?
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In the past, when we had waves of immigration i. e. Irish, Chinese, Italian etc. they came in relatively short time spans such as 3- 7 years.
This debate on immigration has nothing to do with wages or legal/illegal or any of that nonesense. If 20 million Swedes were without a visa here, none of you fascists would say a word.
It is about your fear of brown people. First the white man had to let women play in the clubhouse. Then negroes. Then gooks. Now spics. You are now acting like little kids who don't want to let anyone into the clubhouse.
Well sorry fascits, you don't get to make the rules anymore. The white man is a minority in this country. You make up less than 35% of the population. In California you make up 20% of the population. Nobody gives a fuck what you think.
So you go on forming groups like the Minutemen. You keep going to websites that spew hatred if it makes you feel better. You know very well you lost. It's over. In 2008 we will probably have a Hispanic VP and who knows, 2012, 2016 a Hispanic president.
We're not a minority yet as far as males go, let's just hope the wheels fall off here in the states before we become one. There's a LOT of "housekeeping" that needs to be done.
honica,
do you really think non-white males will join you in the fight against illegals?
white population in the US is what 65% now give or take. The way mexicans breed, that number will be under 50% in no time.
Anyone who wants to make an immediate impact in their area right now should raise the issue of illegals with their local sherrif.
The sherrif can and should have an existing joint task force with ICE. Ask them for statistics on their progress. See if they post reports of their operations on a website; mine does.
When you get pulled over for a traffic ticket, bring the issue up with the policeman. I asked an officer what he thought of the illegals and he was suspicious at first, but after a few minutes I had him admitting that we do have a race problem in this country.
We can make an impact on this issue without even much effort, without bloodshed, really without any risk to ourselves at all. A few phone calls and emails go a long way to raising the consciousness of law enforcement folks.
Patch Tuesday, I wasn't condoning the use of prostitues by GIs overseas. It was morally repugnent to me to abuse or use or victimize women in this manor. If I met a girl from a village and heard she was new to the clubs I'd go to that club and find out what her "bar fine" was to Mamason and pay it in full and take the girl to the bus station with a one way ticket back to her village. My friends thought I should spend that money instead for sex! Of course I wasn't naive and knew that some would return because I saw that way of life addicting (like to so many here because their problems go deeper than just money) but if I could salvage one girl, prevent one abortion, one bi-racial child being abused, it was worth it.
My point was that people can be self-righteous when judging people, condeming illegal immigrants when in most cases they'd do the same given the same circumstances. None of us know what we'll do until we have to make those decisions. The old, would you pull the trigger to save your life. I believe that humans by nature are animals and the thin layers of civilization can disapper quickly. Look at Iraq.
The son of some friends recently killed his wife. He was never a mean or violent man. She had some mental issues and could get violent. They had an argument, she struck him, and before he knew what he was doing he picked up an item and hit her in the head killing her. A moment of passion. A situation he never imagined himself to be in. This could happen to any of us.
I'm not religous because religion rather than freeing us from our animal instincts is just used to control us by the ruling elite. Religion and power go hand in hand. True religion values life, your neighbor, demands justice for the weakest members of society, feeds the orphan, the widow, fights oppresion etc. I don't buy at Walmart because I percieve that company to be evil and oppressive to the American people.
I've seen corporate America move so far to the right on issues of sharing the wealth, protecting American workers, no oppressing foreign workers, that is disgusts me.
Most of my posts on this current topic are about recognizing immigrants, legal or as illegal as human beings that contribute something to our society and are motivated by the same desires and needs as the rest of us. I do recognize that not all immigrants are good or contribute in a positive way, but neither do many Americans rich or poor.
I also know that charity begins at home and that one can only do so much to "save" those in need. My charity starts with the poor I know, in my neighborhood, so I don't give money to say the Red Cross first. I don't give money to homeless people standing on cornors. I give to say St Vincent De Paul instead where the money can be monitored. If I do give something to a guy on a cornor it is a sandwhich or a burger so I know he isn't spending the money on beer or drugs.
I also believe in reciprocosity. If a muslim can build a mosque in Rome then a Catholic should be allowed to build a church in Mecca...of course we know how that plays out. The same with Mexico. A Mexican who isn't a citizen can own a house, buy a car, have access to certain rights in the USA then the same should apply to any American (legal or illegal) in Mexico and we know how that story ends. Americans have no propety protections in Mexico. See what happens if you tried to enter Mexico illegally. If you aren't killed, jail isn't pleasant. Here illegals entering the country and putting US citizens at rish (like car chases in California) and then some police officer grabs a fleeing Mexican by the hair to detain them and bam, law suit and they get to stay while their case is heard, lawyers pay their expenses and then they get millions for having their human rights violated.
So I'm not that much different than most Americans. We want people to follow the rules (though exerience teachs us that those who do loose). I can admire the tenacity and the hard work illegals do here and their life-threatening efforts to come here. I can admire the illegal that works hard, buys a small house, tries to make a better life for his family and have more respect for him/her than say some american who lives in a project and cries victim, you owe me, and never tries to rise above their poverty.
Hope that clarifies my point of view for you.
Excellent point, Fox. We should get rid of the nigaboo loafers as well as the tattoo magnet Mexis.
There's no doubt about that!
all this talk on an anonymous web site...you guys are sooooo tough.
But I'll bet anything if you see a latino gang banger on the street you piss your pants Mr. Tough White Man.
VIVA LA RAZA!!
It's so easy to spot the fake posters...
It's so easy to spot the fake posters...
Patches isn't afraid of Latinos gang bangers, he was in the army don't you know? He's a tough guy.
Think you'll pay 2-4 times as much for "services" if the illegals are sent packing?
I won't. If a car wash costs $30, I'll wash my own damn car. If an oil change costs $75, I'll change my own damn oil. If it costs $30 to have Jethro mow my lawn (now that Paco is gone), I'll mow it myself. And I'll have the time and energy to do all those things because I'll be spending less of it gridlocked in traffic stuck behind Jose, Manuel, and Pedro. Maybe I'll even be able to scale back to working part time if my tax dollars aren't being wasted on free healthcare and education for the illegals and their kids.
Rents and home prices would also be lower without the extra demand created by the millions of illegals. Lower prices and less overcrowding (and crime, traffic, pollution, etc.) sound good to me.
HP's question - will they all go home, or will these millions of jobless men and their desperate families now stay in the US, and wreak havoc on society?
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They already have. Union busting and honest wage surpression.
They might stay. All they have to do is look at the lazy Domesticated Ghetto Africans. *They* get lots of stuff for free. Why shouldn't an illegal that actually worked?!
If you dont want illegal (or legal) immigration start by being willing to pay more for everything.
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We already do. where does it end?
But if you're against that, you're racist.
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Mexico is not a race!!!!!!!!
Once the shooting and bombing seen in the middle east begins in earnest in the cities of the US IMHO the border will be sealed and anyone without legal permission to be here will be round up and impounded. Despite the spoiled clowns on this site that allege they have the right to 'open the borders since everyone has a right to be here" expect that the military direction that is inevitable in this counrty, which will have as an operative issue active squads of terrorists streaming across the border mixed with the ongoing recoquista hordes.
As I type the gardener is out there. He does my yard and both my neighbors. Thanks but no thanks boyz, I'd rather have them here than have to do that work myself.
Now don't you have a white sheet to iron for tonight's meeting?
You know, we had a civil war over a similiar issue, and if I remember right... YOU LOST!
And after that next one, that same uneducated gardner will be knocking up your "oh so smart" Daddy's Girl...
civil war over illegal gardeners...OOOOOHHHHH KAAAAAYYYY...if you say so Patches.Oh yeah that's right you were in the military, must have a plate in your head or something, so you get confused easily.
Oh and I have no daughters, nor do I intend to have any children - too much of a financial drain. I have however fucked many a fine piece of Mexican pussy and I highly recommend it. Maybe that's what all you nazis need, a little ethnic piece of ass, might mellow you out some.
We're very pleased to hear that you don't have any children anon, keep up the good work. And see a doctor about that drip thing...
Patches,
Really, take my advice. Get some Latina pussy, your anger will subside.
Now you better get going the meeting is waiting for you. And don't forget to take the sheet and hood.
Oh Patches,
One more thing. Are your children enrolled in public school? Tell me how much do you have the fact that the negores and mexcicans share the class? I can just imagine the hatred you feel. Imagine that you serve in the military, defend this shithole of a country and your kids have to go to school with negroes and mexicans.
I can see why you are angry.
This shithole of a country anon? Why are you here? Why aren't you down in Mexico with your hoe's?
I'm not Mexican you fool. I'm as white as they get. You nazi fucks would put me on an Aryan poster.
I can be American and still think this country is a piece of shit. The fact you are a citizen is proof.
Oh and patches you illiterate boor:
1. It is ho, not hoe.
2. It is hoes not hoe's.
I need to apologize and thank you anon.
First the apology. You see, that last "why are you here" question wasn't really fair to you. It's quite obvious why you are in America; it's because you have nowhere else to go. Let's face it, you can't go to Mexico, because they don't tolerate illegals in their country. If they caught you down there, the police would simply beat you and rob you of everything that you have. Then, after you're taken to the hospital, you'll simply lay there and die, because if you don't have cash or insurance, they won't treat you.
Now the thank you. I'd like to thank you anon, because I'm about to head out to dinner and you're paying for it. You see, as someone that retired from the military while still very young, I get a big, fat retirement check each month from you. That's right, they take it out of your check, and give it to me. While I'm leading a life of incredible leisure, you're out there busting your ass everyday. And, not matter how hard you work, I just keep sitting around at home getting farther and farther ahead as a renter. I'd also like to thank you for the unlimited, free medical care that you're paying for anon. Really, if I get so much as a sniffle, I run down to the doctor or hospital, and the bill is on you. Same goes for my whole family.
And while you and your illegals have to stage parades for yourselves, you know, "a day without illegal immigrants," the country has a special day each year for people like me. And, people like you anon get to clean up the trash after the party.
So thanks anon, you're the man...
Patches,
You live in an apartment building in the ghetto. Your neighbors are 12 mexicans who sleep on the floor. You are a white trash ex-soldier neo- nazi with serious anger issues. If that is what you call a life of leisure, thanks but no thanks, it's all yours.
As for taxes, about 1/3 of my income is unreported and hence untaxed. I have a very good accountant with questionable ethical standards who makes sure I pay as little as possible on the rest. You aren't stealing from me Patches, you're stealing from the $50K a year salaried slob who takes the standard deduction, you know the renters of the world.
Speaking of dinner, I will be BBQing outside in my yard later on tonight. Got some neighbors coming over, I think I'll make margaritas and go get buy Coronas in your honor. My yard looks really nice since my gardner did his usual spuerb job today. Pool and hot tub are in tip top shape as well thanks to my illegal (I assume) pool guy.
Even though I have a heated pool, it's a little chilly for swimming tonight. But it's always hot tub weather. I live in one of those McSuburbs where the women don't work. Instead they get tit jobs, liposuction, go to the gym and get their hair done all day long. So they all look like they walked out of the pages of Playboy and love to show off their bodies. Hot tubs are as good an excuse as any and espcially after they've had a few drinks.
So you enjoy dinner Patches. Please make sure to say hi to your neighbors Juan, Jose, Alberto, Eduardo, Miguel, the other Jose, Jesus, Carlos, the other Jesus and Diego for me.
Adios!!
Anon, you're fake fantasy life reads like "it was a dark and stormy night."
....Quote from a history lesson, 2045: ..."Post Ground Zero, the radiation cloud drifted across the North eastern populations centers and compelled the relocation of the Federal Capital to Saint Louis....The new US Military government, along with drafting an interim Constitutional Covention, required a mandatory census with regitration and biometric inventory, including health physics monitoring, for all occupants residing within the now fully militarized borders of the US. The 2034 census was the prerequiste for issuance of the now mandatory passport and associated chip for each citizen. Those who were unable to provide proof of identity were presumed to be enemies of the state and isolated for legal processing. Many so called illegal immigrants were unable to prove they were not part of the Jihadist infiltration that had carried out the biologic and nuclear attrocities within the US during the previous decade, and, having failed census standards, were placed into prison camps awaiting repatriation with their countries of origin under the UN Global Refuge Program. Under "The Reformed US Military Code" that replaced all civilian laws that had existed before the attacks, those persons that were unable to be repatriated within six months were given a choice of military sentencing or conscripted into the Civilian Services Corp, where in exchange for ten years of labor in the destroyed urban districts of the North East and California. In exchange for these services they were granted a one time amnesty from the military sentances that had resulted in the death of all others that had failed to report for the 2034 census and allowed to reloate in the firts wave of post nuclear colonization within the perimeter of ground zero.."
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As I type the gardener is out there. He does my yard and both my neighbors. Thanks but no thanks boyz, I'd rather have them here than have to do that work myself.
Now don't you have a white sheet to iron for tonight's meeting?
Saturday, December 30, 2006 7:59:33 PM
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You are a lazy tightwad POS. It's scum like you that are taking this country down the swirling path into the sewer. There'd still be gardening services without millions of illegals here. They'd cost a bit more but the middle class would more than make up the difference in countless other ways.
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