September 21, 2006

Forbes 10/2 issue: Housing squeeze. Oh dear god what will consumer junkies do now that the housing ATM is closed?


Man, do I smell a Time Magazine housing bust cover story coming soon... oh, so soon... Here's the upcoming Forbes story as the MSM really pile on now.

I found the prediction that the Fed would cut 1.25% next year interesting, as well as the statement that consumers spend every $ they have - income or housing atm, if it's available they'll spend it, being the consumer whores they are...

Housing Squeeze

Even if the housing numbers get no worse, the economy still may take a big hit. Consumers might run out of home equity to borrow against.

The bad news keeps coming from the home front. Buyers are holding back, enough to send median sales prices down 2% or more in Cleveland and Minneapolis. KB Home recently slashed earnings estimates for the second time since June. Shares of home builders have fallen 40% in the past year. The head of Toll Brothers, a big luxury-home builder, says the downturn is the most troubling, and perplexing, in decades: The economy, after all, is still growing strongly.
Well, at least for the moment.

The question: How much of a blow to the economy will shaky house prices deliver? Right now home prices nationally, even after recently weakening, are still up 10% in the year through June. But even if prices simply move sideways, the effect on the economy could be nasty.

That's because, in the bearish view, all those people who treat their homes like a bank, using money they borrowed against rising home values to buy iPods or take vacations or eat out, will be crimped if values don't keep rising. That could ping the economy hard, given that consumer spending accounts for 70% of gross domestic product.

The softening of consumer spending would come on top of already falling spending on residential investment: building new homes or additions to old ones. A sharp reduction in residential investment, down, say, $100 billion in two years from $800 billion today, could trim three-quarters of a percentage point from GDP growth.

The practice of extracting cash from homes took off only a decade ago. So the Fed is to a large degree sailing in uncharted waters. So are investors whose growth forecasts presume that consumers will keep consuming.

66 comments:

Anonymous said...

from the article:
The economy, after all, is still growing strongly.

the only thing growing in the economy is debt and the debt industry. The printing and ink industry might be a distant second.

Anonymous said...

Take a close look at that chart.

See anything interesting there?

Let's call it "The elephant in the living room" that the MSM ISN'T talking about.

And that elephant is the CUMULATIVE amount that the homedebtor sheeple have borrowed in the last four years or so against the fictitious
"equity" in their homes.

I totaled almost TWO TRILLION DOLLARS in additional debt piled on by the sheeps since 2002.

In addition to the OTHER mortgage debt amassed by new homedebtors and others who have bought used homes, which also totals a couple of trillion.

And don't try to tell me that the HELOC suckers have all paid back the money they have borrowed over the last four years--far from it.

So, yeah, we are collectively screwed. Banks,Fannie, Freddie, FHLB, private mortgage issuers, PMI providers, the whole REIC, furniture makers and sellers, Home Depot/Lowes, WalMart--you name it.

Anonymous said...

Keith,

I propose a new "rule" on the comments section of your fine blog.

the "rule" should be that ALL posters MUST use the following language to break away from the "1984/Big Brother" propaganda spewed from the REIC.

Forthwith, here are the REAL terms that should be used:

-Instead of "Homeowner", use "Homedebtor" (since NO ONE "owns" a home even AFTER they make all the payments, due to perpetual real estate taxes!)

-Instead of "pre-existing" homes, use the proper "used homes".

-In place of "home appreciation" use "price inflation" (due to runaway credit availability).

-Replace "home equity loan" with "personal debt enslavement, with the house as collateral". (If you want the banksters to REALLY give you a "home equity loan", then tell them to loan you a hundred grand against the so-called "equity", then when you sell the house, IF there is one-hundred grand left over, then pay them back (with reasonable interest of course). If there isn't one-hundred grand left over, well too bad. I guess there wasn't any "equity" there, now was there?

-Finally, replace "debt-consolidation" with "indentured servitude", again transferring previously unsecured debt with debt secured by a house.

I hope that the posters on this board will begin to incorporate these TRUTHFULL terms into their posts and also educate their sheeple peers out there as well...

Anonymous said...

Kieth says,

So, yeah, we are collectively screwed. Banks,Fannie, Freddie, FHLB, private mortgage issuers, PMI providers, the whole REIC, furniture makers and sellers, Home Depot/Lowes, WalMart--you name it.


So how is that oil doing?

Anonymous said...

Kieth says,

I hope that the posters on this board will begin to incorporate these TRUTHFULL terms into their posts and also educate their sheeple peers out there as well...

So How is that oil doing?

Anonymous said...

How much is 800B$ compared to the yearly consumer spending? Thats the important number measuring the effect on economy.

David said...

The US has become a debt driven economy!

Anonymous said...

Let's play devil's advocate for a moment.
What if the feds don't raise rates this round then slash rates a bit in early 2007? Wouldn't sacrificing inflation to keep ARMs somewhat stable keep the economy from bursting? If this scenerio were to play out, would it then stimulate the sideliners to take the housing plunge while giving home owners incentive to continue using their homes as ATMs?

Anonymous said...

It's not too hard to figure out that eventually the price of a house is ABOVE what a person can afford. Therefor is MUST come down.

It's not a stock people, you can't split the house in 2 and then cut the price in half to sell more.

Anonymous said...

Eventually you get to the point where the banks are NOT going to loan you the money."No, we are not going to loan you $900,000 on your 800 sqft P.O.S. even if it IS located in (pick your bubble area)" Interest rates are not going to help. Like that dude on the LA Anderson video said:"This is far beyond interest rates!"

Anonymous said...

"Maki says consumers act prudently, putting most of the cash extracted from homes into stocks or bonds or paying off credit card debt...people spend newfound wealth in disciplined increments so it lasts a lifetime."

Wow, what parallel universe does THIS guy come from? I guess the economy has been roaring along because people have been cashing in all their equity and NOT buying consumer goods.

Even if we suspend reality for a moment and think people are "paying off" (don't you love that one?) their consumer debt with HELOC's, all they're doing is giving the bank an asset to come after when they default.

Anonymous said...

Hahahah. The Time Magazine article.

It will be exactly like this:

Cover "HOUSING CRASH!"

Inside article guaranteed to have these elements:

Picture of family: Man, woman, toddler and babe in swaddling in mother arms.

Quote: "How could this happen? This is America"

Bill said...

Let's play devil's advocate for a moment.
What if the feds don't raise rates this round then slash rates a bit in early 2007? Wouldn't sacrificing inflation to keep ARMs somewhat stable keep the economy from bursting? If this scenerio were to play out, would it then stimulate the sideliners to take the housing plunge while giving home owners incentive to continue using their homes as ATMs?

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Yes but the dollar as far as purchasing power goes will tank, as the press prints. Anyway you look at it we are screwed..the fed missed the boat 2 years ago when things were getting out of hand. And now it will have a hard time trying to put a bandaid on this problem.

The only way out of this mess as far as i can see is to let the economy tank, or start a war with Iran..sorry to say. also the other problem is this administration driving the wrong way up a oneway street. Good luck to them other than my Mortgage I am debt free..Albit tight and have to have constant cash flow due to no credit cards..but i do well and will manage..also my silver stash is growing..this price drop is great.

Anonymous said...

The bubble is not about interest rates any more. It's about purely inflated assets costing way more then their value as living quarters.

I don't care how low the interest rates are, I'm not going to buy something I don't need UNLESS I think it's going up in value and I can make a profit next month or next year.

If the prices stop going up, no profit = no need to buy = no "speculative" value = falling prices = people losing their shirts = real estate BAD investment = overshoot of bottom due to very negative sentiment = total loss 50% to 60% from peak prices.

Woo hoo! I can't wait to tear the eviction notice off the door of my new McMansion as the sheriff is hauling the bankrupt squatters out onto the street in the snow. I can see the little tikes in the cold, holding their stuffed animals crying. Oh the HUMANITY!!!

Bill said...

In reality the fed does not know completely which way the economy is headed.

Bill said...

Woo hoo! I can't wait to tear the eviction notice off the door of my new McMansion as the sheriff is hauling the bankrupt squatters out onto the street in the snow. I can see the little tikes in the cold, holding their stuffed animals crying.

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I agreed with everything you said anonymous until you wrote the douchbag statement above...those little tikes in the cold you speak of could be your family members someday..remember that myers, what comes around goes around.

Anonymous said...

Funny how the stock market keeps going up and up with all the housing bust news. What is it going to take to bring down this market? Were living in the world of the poor and the super-rich, middle class America is gone.

Bill said...

A False Flag event would do the stock market some damage. Also the plunge team must be pulling 24 hour shifts.

The top 1% can keep the market stable for quite sometime..they have a lot of zero's amongst them.

Anonymous said...

Question: Suppose there will be a tightening of lending practices (i.e. no more exotic loans). How will this pan out with homeowners, whose properties are say 40 - 60% overvalued, be able to refi with a different lender. Obviously, they won't be able to secure another exotic loan, just to buy time so to speak - right?

Any input.

Christina said...

Has anyone considered that people might be squeezing their equity out of their houses to pay for items and charges inflation has made out of their reach, like medical costs not covered by insurance, or college?

Why do people assume that those are covered enough for homedebtors to use their HELOCs only for frivolous items? After all, these people might, for all you know, be living in the United States.

Anonymous said...

hauling the bankrupt squatters out onto the street in the snow. I can see the little tikes in the cold, holding their stuffed animals crying.
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Dude, You just bummed me out!!
This could have been anyone of us.

Bill said...

Suppose there will be a tightening of lending practices.

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There is already tightening of lending practices going on, my sister was going to refi to take some cash out for an additin to her existing home, and was denied for n apparent reason. And yes she has good credit.

As far as exotic loan refi's go, sorry to say unless the bankers and the goverment comes up with a new scheme of lending practices you are screwed..no one held a gun to your head to sign those docs. Heck you have a vast ammount of imformation right in front of you IE: "google" and your computer you should have done the research before you signed.

The foreclosures next year are going to be Hugh.

You know when you really think about it, the run up in values was and is artificial, as was the money that was printed out of thin air. ..so where is the loss here?

Fake value, fake money, fake economy.

Bill said...

As foreclosures rise watch the crime rate go thru the roof..If i can not have it why should you, will be the attitude..mark this date on your calendar.

Bill said...

Ya I agree twib. But also remember haveing a job is great, but loosing something that you work very hard for everyday is a stressfull situation, and people pop under stress.

Anonymous said...

Let's see, the fed can let the economy tank, or they can lower rates, print more money, and let the dollar drop...hmmm....wonder which route they'll go?

Anonymous said...

Bork:

I think if foreclosures rise, scam artists who will take advantage of desperate homeowners will also rise, and still a crime by definition.

Bill said...

this about sums it up good read mish.

http://tinyurl.com/d8q6j

scroll down to More Anecdotes

Bill said...

here is an example of that article WOW! I MUST SAY!!!

My office of 7 loan officers takes +/- 100 loan applications per week, 90% of that coming from cold calls.

Of the last 100, I have taken some simple statistics and have found the following:

* 68/100 had LTV's over 80% at time of application
* 16/100 had LTV's over 100% at time of application
* 78/100 had back end DTI's over 55%
* 31/100 had back end DTI's over 70%
* 23/100 had FICO's under 500
* 81/100 had credit card debt above $10,000
* 54/100 had credit card debt above $20,000
* 18/100 had credit card debt above $50,000
* 66/100 had Pay-option ARMs
* 27/100 had Pay-option ARMs and mortgage lates
* 22/100 were either in forbearance or had been in forbearance within the past 12 months

We took 14 applications today and we cannot qualify a single borrower for any type of loan. We are sub-prime, in fact, sometimes I say we are sub-sub-prime. We can qualify almost anyone for a loan. Not today.

Let me tell you about just one borrower from today:

* Husband and wife
* Husband on fixed income military retirement $1800/mo
* Wife makes $9500/mo as a registered nurse
* 5 properties with $3,400,000 in mortgages
* All mortgages currently have prepays
* 8 interest-only mortgages
* 1 option ARM deferring $3500/mo
* 3 in Chula Vista and 2 in Escondido
* No more than $75,000 equity in any of the homes (verified by comp checks with 3 appraisers)
* All properties with front end LTV over 90%
* $65,000 credit card debt $672 Mercedes payment
* One property had 3 mortgages, one of them hard money
* 621 mid FICO
* 2x30 in the past 12 months
* Not a dime in the bank

They have been making mortgage payments with their credit cards and refinancing to pay off the credit cards. They are at the end of their rope, but refuse to throw in the towel.

If that were me no bull shit I would call the lender and tell "it" keys are in the mailbox have a good day!

Anonymous said...

I am in the antique business. Sellers are beginning to outnumber buyers, business is in the crapper! I feel for these poor shmos who think they can sell their stuff on eBay or to me to make their mortgage payment. What they don’t realize is that eBay brought big bucks in the early days for stuff but now its just a give away. I don’t even bother listing stuff on there any more. Supply has exceeded demand. You figure it out.

Anonymous said...

If your house won't sell you still have to pay...and pay and pay...if it does sell you might
not even recoup the incurred expenses....equity? what equity?
equity is only equity if it REALIZED..Actualized...cashed in on!

Anonymous said...

Bork:

I bet you 100/100 will qualify for a "storage" shed at Home Depot on a 4th of July sale.

Bill said...

Furthest to fall?
The 10 most overvalued housing markets, according to Global Insight and National City.
City State Median
price Percent
overvalued
Naples FL $389,200 101.5%
Bend OR $296,700 89.3%
Salinas CA $618,400 79.4%
Merced CA $295,400 78.4%
Madera CA $311,000 76.9%
Port St. Lucie FL $240,800 74.0%
Stockton CA $346,600 73.9%
Santa Barbara CA $638,300 72.8%
Miami FL $292,800 70.8%
Punta Gordo FL $210,900 70.2%
Source:Global Insight/National City Housing Valuation Analysis

Near the bottom already
The 10 most undervalued metro markets
City State Median
price Pecent
undervalued
College Station TX $97,100 22.3%
Dallas TX $129,900 21.2%
Ft. Worth TX $107,500 19.3%
Houston TX $113,000 17.3%
McAllen TX $57,300 16.4%
Shreveport LA $97,100 15.2%
Killeen TX $94,200 14.9%
Wichita Falls TX $74,500 13.8%
Tulsa OK $98,100 12.3%
Monroe LA $90,800 11.8%

Anonymous said...

I've started to notice alot of antique dealers selling their crap at garage sales. I was wondering if the antique biz is kaput.
I see so much overpriced used (antiques) junk at these sales, and I wonder who would pay that much for this old crap? I think the antique buisseness is another ponzi scheme.

Anonymous said...

What I don't understand is how "smart" it is to take out home equity to pay off credit cards. Sure, your rates are lower, but debt is debt - you still have to pay it down and it's still growing, even if at a slower rate. Lowering one's interest rate is fine, but betting one's home on it?

Anonymous said...

HP"er Needs Help
I am in total agreement with you guys about the bubble. i sold my house and am currently renting. The difficult part is the crap you get from the wife and family about not providing a house for them. They say who cares if housing drops,at least your family has a home. I need some suggestions from you guys how to deal with this situation.

Anonymous said...

HP"er Needs Help
I am in total agreement with you guys about the bubble. i sold my house and am currently renting. The difficult part is the crap you get from the wife and family about not providing a house for them. They say who cares if housing drops,at least your family has a home. I need some suggestions from you guys how to deal with this situation.

Bill said...

HP"er Needs Help
I am in total agreement with you guys about the bubble. i sold my house and am currently renting. The difficult part is the crap you get from the wife and family about not providing a house for them. They say who cares if housing drops,at least your family has a home. I need some suggestions from you guys how to deal with this situation.

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My suggestion and i am sure others will say hold tight, if you have the %20 down, wait, if you dont build it up.

As far as providing for the wife and kids you already are in the form of a roof to begin with..I drove thru my city the other day, the downtown area, and to see people sleeping on benches wrapped up in news print to keep warm, puts your own situation into perspective, to the point where you say, "And I complain". Be thankfull you have a place and money from your home sale(hopefully)..some would be thanksfull just for a hot cup of coffee...best of luck...and as Keith has said..cash is king.

Maybe not today thosthe dollar is getting smacked like a bitch.

Anonymous said...

Pork fatty
Yes I agree with you. We should be thankful. The greed is what got us in this mess.

Anonymous said...

Bork, I don't even know if the plunge protection team can help out when things really hit the fan. I seem to recall that such a rescue was attempted in various ways by groups of industrialists and investment bankers during the stockmarket crash of 1929. It was like trying to stop an avalanche, it didn't work and wiped out many of these would-be market rescuers. Even then they were hauled up and publicly pilloried in many cases. In particular, FDR did this to the former CEO of Chicago Edison, who had lost most of his fortune trying to prop up things in his local area of the country (he had unfortunatly sold many shares of his company to power customers, who were not happy when his efforts caused the stock to tank).

On a different topic, I also recall how the price of many novelty and antique items that the Japanese sought after dropped like rocks when their housing/stock bubble burst. I wouldn't be surprised if many status items become amazingly cheap in the near future as this progresses. No one will be buying them and many folks will be trying to liquidate their formerly prized possessions for cash, still convinced they are "worth" what they were getting at the peak.

The reality of our country's current economic, political and geo-political position is that we have a lot of HARD lessons to re-learn. "The school of hard knocks teaches the most expensive lessons, but fools will learn in no other." And I agree Bork, this dose of reality therapy is going to affect EVERYONE, no matter how prepared and out of debt you are. Like nuclear war or a bird flu epidemic, it doesn't really matter if you have a defensible shelter, face masks and a supply of food; we're all screwed, you're just less screwed than others and that little difference can change fast.

I also dislike people that crow about the misfortune of others, even if those others earned it by massive ego trips and hubris. It takes a lot of stones to feel good about kids suffering, even if their parents are idiots.

--Andrew

Anonymous said...

"crap you get from the wife and family about not providing a house for them."

OMG. What guilt-tripping harpies.

Today, buying a house is renting money.

Renting money is more dangerous than renting shelter.

Ask them if they are willing to reimburse you with 100% cash money if the house loses value?

In 5 years they could be giving you crap about buying at the bubble.

Anonymous said...

Bork:

I think the wife should look at it from a broader sense. The basic necessities in life are; food, clothing and shelter. The purpose of "shelter", in it's broader sense is provide comfort and safety to its inhabitants. A "shelter" can either be rented or owned. However, wives should also know this; That a Hosue is not necessarily a Home, but a Home is always a House. Meaning, as long as there is Harmony, you can always call it a home, whether rented or not.

I hope that will help.

P.S. Harmony means, no excessive mortagage debt to deal with, be able to send kids to good school and provide the wife with some extras for herself, just to name a few.

Anonymous said...

Corection: I think it's for HP'er Needs Help and not for Borkafatty.

Anonymous said...

Look Folks Lets Get Real
I sold houses to suckers, and I will buy the houses,cars,jewelry and other status items that they will sell me for pennies on the dollar. To bad that is reality if you can't take it go live on a park bench, that I donated to the park.

Anonymous said...

TRUE STORY
I had a house in Phoenix in June 06 that I was dying to get rid of. My developer buddy in San Diego was doing condo conversions at the same time. I told him that it was a huge mistake. He said San Diego will continue to go up.
Long story short I sold my house for a 30% profit and when I spoke to him yesterday he was in a panic. He said if he can break even in this market he will be doing great. Oh how things can change in two month.

Anonymous said...

Check it out, Bill Gates is posting comments on HP under anonymous. Does it make you feel good to pretend you have money?

Anonymous said...

Mort,
I'm sorry that you live in Oklahoma. I would feel bad if I lived there too.

Anonymous said...

I got no problem with that anon 6:53:02, that's the way capitalism works. If this turns out to be nothing but a bad recession you're nuts-on in your assessment and I'll agree with your point of getting real. You make your bets and takes your chances.

But if this turns out to be the financial Tsunami the large number of us all seem to think it may be, possibly the next Great Depression, it's going to affect the entire country. That's going to crap all over anyone's private sandbox regardless of the rule of dog-eat-dog survival of the fittest in the marketplace, and you're going to need a healthy country to spend all that cash in. So do me a favor and don't think that you're completely divorced from it all and morally superior simply because the folks you sold houses to were morons. Everyone is a moron in one way or another.

--Andrew

Bill said...

Look Folks Lets Get Real
I sold houses to suckers, and I will buy the houses,cars,jewelry and other status items that they will sell me for pennies on the dollar. To bad that is reality if you can't take it go live on a park bench, that I donated to the park.

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You mean that piece of shit rusty thing that is falling apart and gives me splinters on my ass everytime i sit on it..ya thanks for the bench..your all heart.

Anonymous said...

great rules proposed by anon "Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:36:00 AM"

i wholly agree.

Bill said...

Oh and on a side note only a moron would buy a house from a moron..so I guess you were in great company.

gee to be a fly on the wall at that closing..

Moron 1. Sign here

Moron 2. Sign where? those other papers you have on top of all that other print I can not read.

Moron 1. Oh those ahh just technical difficulties..we will discuss those later.

Moron 2. Oh ok! (Wipe Druel)

Moron 1. Ok now that that is done..umm keep the pen..Ill be right back I have to go to the umm bathroom.ya the bathroom.

Moron 2. Hmm he has been gone a long time. (Wipe Druel)

Moron 1. Hey i just recived an emergency call can i call you back in say 1 hour (3 days)

Moron 2. sure but what about the doc discussion? ( Wipe Druel)

Moron 1. Ya ya call me in 3 days, err I mean 1 hour.

Moron 2.. Ok! (Wipe Druel)

You are right Anonopuss there are suckers out there..and there are Leeches..which one are you?

Anonymous said...

I catch crap all of the time from my wife and her relatives because we have rented for a number of years and don't own the house that we currently live in. One of her brothers bought a McMansion several years ago and always brags about with it is worth. But he uses the HELOC like an ATM for all of their toys. If he had to sell it today he might be shocked to find what he would get for it IF it would sell. A lot of people around me used their home as an ATM and bought everything from expensive furniture to expensive SUV's ( and them complian about gas prices). I think that things will get a lot worse and that us "renter trash" will prevail in the end.

Anonymous said...

Funny how the stock market keeps going up and up with all the housing bust news. What is it going to take to bring down this market?

When the massive layoffs start and people begin cashing in the 401ks, IRAs, etc. You will see the market take a gigantic hit. Will it be able to survive? Probably but the rich will let it tank first so that the the unemployed get paid pennies on the dollar for their retirement accounts and then they will move in and buy the stock at a discount. They did this after 1929 but without the bait of the tax deffered accounts. Isn't currency manipulation grand?

Anonymous said...

So do me a favor and don't think that you're completely divorced from it all and morally superior simply because the folks you sold houses to were morons. Everyone is a moron in one way or another.

OK I agree with you. But I do not feel superior,in fact I will live like crap if I have to. But believe me I will be looking everywhere for a way to improve my situation.
The point is I have no debt,I don't like to buy consumer crap. I only buy what I need for as cheap as I can get it. We need to toughen up as a nation. Stop buying all that crap from China. How much crap does one really need. As my buddy in the storage business says most people pay hundreds of $$ per month, and later through out the stuff anyway.

Bill said...

begin cashing in the 401ks

Yup my mother just cashed in her 403b..all done taking the money and running as in retiring. she has worked since she was 14, she has a nice piece of change. I told her to take it while she can before next year..she finally took my advice, and will enjoy her remaining years.

As will my old man in april of 07

Anonymous said...

Borkafatty what kind of capital gains do you have to pay for cashing 401?

Bill said...

she has a 403b but here you go, not a wikipedia fan but good links and info non the less

http://tinyurl.com/k6p79

Bill said...

this also is a great read folks.

http://tinyurl.com/f4rub

Anonymous said...

There is always great money to be made in porn. Plus there is the added benefits. So any realty whores can apply if you are decent looking I will pay you $100 a day.

Anonymous said...

Let me see, so if i've tapped all the money i can out of my home which is currently depreciating. I haven't been saving, actually been spending more to fuel my lavish lifestyle....are you saying I and 10's of thousands more like me are going to be screwed? Hmmm?

Anonymous said...

I wasn't talking to you, anonymous, I was talking to the other anonymous. (idiot..)(snickers)

Anonymous said...

Hell ya, antique dealers sell at garage sales because unsuspecting newbie consumers think they are geting a better deal on the junk.

Anonymous said...

Ok there Mort- By the way how is Oklahoma these days. Same boring crap as usual. I guess you have to have a name like Mort to live in Oklahoma. Boring name = Boring Guy.

Anonymous said...

Significant article on changes at the IRS:

http://tinyurl.com/f4rub

Anonymous said...

Woops,

I meant to post:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/realestate/bal-bz.re.harney29sep29,0,7701442.story?track=mostemailedlink

Anonymous said...

Tips for building or remodeling your dream home.

Anonymous said...

REMODELING

Tips for building or remodeling your dream home.