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August 03, 2006

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Anonymous said...: "Can I just say, 39 yrs old, married to a sweet wonderful woman, one 2 yr old kid, that there are happy families out there"

In the minority, perhaps 20% of the population, not the majority.

The problem with your post is the presumption that you're a part of a great society when in reality, you're on an island with your family. Start to look around, outside of your immediate social circle, and you'll see what people here are talking about.

My gf and I have actually stopped associating with a lot of old friends, recently, because as time goes by, more and more of their lives are falling into the pits. I used to think that their lives needed fixing but now I realize that this is normal for the present day culture of self-gratification and self-indulgence.

So yeah, whores are better than alimony and years of therapy but to his his own.; August 02, 2006 4:49 PM
Anonymous said...: "I got the dreaded phone call a couple weeks later of a girl screaming into the phone saying that I was going to be a dad, she was moving in and we were getting married, else she was going to take me for every penny I had."

A guy I know got the same treatment but she skipped straight to the give me the money stage. She didn't want him, just a baby and free money. BTW, he is a nonbeliever in the RE bubble RE builder. His life is way different because if he makes money he has to pay her more.

Crazy fool is still at it. Flashing HELOC cash and taking them to the McMansion he built (and didn't sell because of the baby girl). I feel sorry for this otherwise really nice guy.; August 02, 2006 6:02 PM
Anonymous said...: So where is the next bubble?; August 02, 2006 6:39 PM
Anonymous said...: New and used SUVs, and lots of crap bought with easy RE money. Looking for tools or firearms, just wait with cash in hand, because you wil see this stuff for sale.; August 02, 2006 6:57 PM
Anonymous said...: Now I've been talking with highly educated, beautiful foreign women. It's completely different - instead of the usual "what can you do for me" attitude it's a "thank you for being a nice guy" attitude. what a change it makes.

No kidding. I'm married to one. And yes the "thank you for being a nice guy" part is really true---and I really am, because it's appreciated.; August 02, 2006 10:20 PM
Anonymous said...: "thank you for being a nice guy"

For me, though I'm not appreciated for being nice, I'm treated as an equal partner by my international wife.; August 02, 2006 10:23 PM
foxwoodlief said...: Since everyone seems to like to talk about Muslims and Jews, here is a post I put on a middle eastern blog about Israel and the killing of 39 children.

In the 1989 funeral of Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini, a mob of millions (yes, millions) of Iranians stormed the funeral bier and tore Khomeini’s corpse apart in a frenzy to obtain pieces of his corpse. This islamic state has killed teenagers for being homosexual, murdered thousands of its citizens, creates a suicide cult believing that to blow oneself up for Allah is virteous. Hamas, hizbollah, Al Queda, and all these groups feel that to kill with inpunity, to blow up civilians in cafes, on buses, on trains, shopping at markets, to capture civilians and chop of their heads, drill holes into their heads, the list goes on, apparently is what “true” Islam is all about. Israel tries not to intentionally kill innocents but there is a difference between a military assault and terrorism. This military assault wouldn’t have happened if hizbollah hadn’t commited its acts of war against Israel.

For the tens of thousands of Iraqis killed every year by the so called “resistance” in Iraq, I bleed for you. I cry for you. For every jew killed by a suicide bomber or a Hizbollah missle, I cry for you. For every innocent civilian killed in any war between ideologues, I cry for you. Where are the tears of terrorists? Murderers? Those who violate the commandment of not commiting “murder” and that law is even in the Koran? For the Jewish reporter who had his throat slit in Pakistan, or the innocent Jewish tourist murdered on a cruise ship, or the innocent Iraqi just trying to feed his family and rebuild his life after Sadaam who is blown up, kidnapped and executed as a collaborater, or because he is a Shia or Sunni.

The hypocracy of the Islamic world is evident in the fact that moderate muslims do not speak out against these crimes when commited by Muslims against Muslilms. More muslims have been killed over the past 30 years by muslims than in all of the wars against Israel (Men, women and children who would not have been killed if arabs hadn’t tried to anilhlate Israel). Still, where is the mass protests, millions in the street protesting the murder of Muslims by Muslims? They fall into the streets over a cartoon, they burn flags and riot when a non-muslim kills (even accidently) a muslim but never for the tens of thousands, millions killed by members of their own faith.

The Islam that produced the Alhambra, great mosques, centers of learning is a faith I can admire, but the faith of Islam as practiced today raises in me the same contempt I feel for the Catholicism of the 1400-1600s. For all those moderate Muslims, your day will come. The people of your own faith will put you in chains, oppress you, kill you, just because you don’t follow their strict interpretation of your faith. The old sayings, “The letter of the law killeth but the spirit of the law gives life” has been forgotten by these fanatics. When they beat you, cane you in public, chop off your hands, cut off your heads, use terror to control you and to enforce their faith, you’ll have to ask yourselves is this the “all merciful” Allah that I as taught as a child? Just as all those people who refused to stand up against Hitler paid the price of being inprisoned and murdered, we forget that for the six million jews murdered in concentration camps, twelve million non-jews were also killed for being gypsy or catholic or homosexual, or just polish. The killing will start with jews but it won’t end there.; August 03, 2006 12:43 AM
Anonymous said...: foxwoodlief

Well said. Sounds like what should be Mel Gibsons next movie, and I am not kidding. Then maybe people would wake up.

DUH.; August 03, 2006 12:59 AM
Anonymous said...: Nice comments from an RE professional in Atlanta. This is one RE pro that 'gets it' and isn't sugar coating the situation.

today: http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/CurrentIssue.html

previous: http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/Archives/20060727.html

Enjoy.; August 03, 2006 1:07 AM
Anonymous said...: A little history of Islam and its conquest of the old Persian Empire.
Note, this has nothing to do with the Jews, this is between an Islamic invader and a Zoroastrian Persian Emperor some 1400 years ago.

(This is just to highlight the fact that this is not about the Jews and Arabs.)

From the London Museum...

Yazdgird III Letter To Omar

The Historical Letters

From: Omar Ibn Al Khatab Khalifat Al Muslemin

To: Yazdgird III Shahanshah of Persian Empire

Yazdgird, I see not a fruitful future for you & your nation unless you accept my offer & commit Bei'at (Joining with Khalifat & bringing Islam). Once upon a time your land ruled half the known world but what has it come down to now? Your troops are defeated in all fronts & your nation is bound to collapse. I offer you a way to rescue yourself. Start praying to a mono God, a single union God, the only God who created everything in the universe. We bring you & the world his message, he who is the true God. Stop your Fire Worship, command your nation to stop their Fire Worship which is false; join us by joining the truth.

Worship Allah O Akbar the only true God, The creator of universe. Worship to Allah & accept Islam as your salvation. End your Pagan ways & your false worships now & bring Islam so you can accept Allah O Akbar as your savior. By doing so, you will find the only way to your survival & peace for Persians. If you know what is best for Ajam (Arabic term for Persians meaning Retarded & Weird), you will choose this path. Bei'at is the only way.

Allah O Akbar

sign,

Khalifat Al Muslemin
Omar Ibn Al Khatab

And here's Yazdgird III, famous respond to Omar:

From: Shah of Shahs, Shah of Persia and Beyond, Shah of many Kingdoms, Shah of Aryans and Non Aryans, Shah of Persians and many other races as well as Arabs, Shahanshah of Persian Empire, Yazdgird III Sassanid

To: Omar Ibn Al Khatab, Khalifat of Tazi (Persian term for Arabs, meaning Arabian Hound Dogs)

In the name of Ahura Mazda, creator of Life & Intelligence,
You in your letter wrote that you want to direct us towards your God, Allah O Akbar, without having the true knowledge of who we are & what do we worship! It is amazing that you occupy the position of Khalifat (Ruler) of Arabs, yet your knowledge is the same as a lowly Arab rambler, roaming in deserts of Arabia, & same as a desert tribal man!

"Little Man", you offer me to worship a united & single God without knowing that it has been thousands of years that Persians worship the mono God & they pray to him Five Times a day! In this land of culture & art this has been the normal path of life for years.

When we established the tradition of hospitality & good deeds in the world & we waved the flag of "Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds" in our hands, you & your ancestors were roaming the deserts, eating Lizards for you had nothing else to feed yourselves & burying your innocent daughters alive (an old Arab tradition, cause they preferred male children to female)!

Tazi people have no value for God's creatures! You behead God's children, even the POWs (Prisoners of War), Rape Women, bury your daughters alive, attack the Caravans, mass murder, kidnap people's wives & steal their property! Your hearts are made of stone, we condemn all these Evil which you do. How can you teach us Godly Ways when you commit these action?

You tell me to stop my Fire Worship! Us, Persians see the Love of Creator & power of inventor in the light of Sun & warmth of Fire. Lights & Warmth of the Sun & Fire makes us see the light of truth & warmens our hearts to the creator & to one another. It helps us to be kind to one another, it enlightens us & makes us to keep Mazda's Flame, alive in our hearts. Our lord is Ahura Mazda & it is strange that you people also, just discovered him & named him Allah O Akbar! But we are not the same as you, we are not in the same level as you. We help other human being, we spread love among humanity, we spread Good throughout the Earth, we have been spreading our culture but in respect for other cultures throughout the whole world for thousands of years, yet you in the name of Allah invade other men's land! You mass murder the people, create famine, fear & poverty for others, you create Evil in the name of Allah. who is responsible for all this catastrophe?

Is it Allah who commands you to murder, pillage & to destroy?
Is it you the followers of Allah who do this in his name?

Or

Is it both?

You have risen from heat of the deserts & burnt out infertile lands with no resources, you want to teach people the love of God by your military campaigns & the power of your Swords! You are Desert Savages, yet you want to teach Urban people like us who lived in the cities for thousands of years, the love of God! We have thousands of years of culture behind us, a powerful tool indeed! Tell us? With all your military campaigns, barbarianism, murder & pillage in the name of Allah O Akbar, what have you taught to this Muslim Army? What knowledge have you taught the Muslim that you also insist on teaching it to non Muslim? What culture have you learned from your Allah, now that you want to force-teach it to others?

Alas, Oh Alas...... that today our
Persian Armies of Ahura have been defeated from your recently Allah Worshiping Armies; Now, our people have to worship the same God, the same Five times a day, but forced by the sword to call him Allah & pray to him in Arabic, cause your Allah only understands Arabic!

I suggest, you & your gang of bandits pack up & move back to your deserts where they are used to live. Take them back where they used to the burning heat of the sun, tribal life, eating Lizards & drinking Camel Milk. I forbid you to let your band of thieves loose in our fertile lands, civilized cities & our glorious nation. Don't turn these "beasts with hearts of stone" loose, to mass murder our people, kidnap our women & children, rape our wives & send our daughters to Mecca as slaves! Don't let them do these crimes in the name of Allah O Akbar, put a stop to your criminal behavior.

Aryans are forgiving, warm, hospitable, & decent people and everywhere they went, they have spread seeds of friendship, love, knowledge & truth; therefore, they shall not punish you & your people for your pirate ways & criminal acts.

I beg you to remain with your Allah O Akbar in your deserts & do not move close to our civilized cities, for your believes are "Much Fearful" & your behavior is "Most Barbaric"!

sign,
Yazdgird III Sassanid; August 03, 2006 3:12 AM
Anonymous said...: You sad, sad fools:

For the market, P/E is down over 600% since 1996, bond markets are down over 200% since 1993, dollar is up over 350% since 2001, housing market on an upsurge due to wage increases in U.S., U.S. parlaying increased technological and industrial prominence for the future (thanks to illegals), oil and gas is just a temporary bubble- there's over 1000 years supply left in the ground, U.S. government spending/per capita is at its lowest levels since 1750. Go long on anything in the U.S., except of course, toothpaste, baking soda and crackers- who needs toothpaste anyway?

Warren B.; August 03, 2006 4:08 AM
Anonymous said...: To the Israeli-Arab issue, the "State of Israel" was an artifact of the Cold War, a tactic to prevent Stalin and his boys from co-opting the Jews in Palenstine and to find a dumping ground for the remaining unwanted Jews throughout Europe. The Israelis were placed in a hopelessly unworkable situation surrounded by hostile ethnic/religious groups and meant to do the dirty work of Anglo-American empire, serving as a kind of garrison state in the Middle East for empire.

Now, with the US invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq, the Anglo-American imperialists really don't need Israel anymore in its former capacity.

Thus, it's well past time to finally concede that Israel is no longer a viable project in the Middle East. Give the Israelis 5 years to vacate, that is, emigrate to Europe, UK, Ireland, Canada, US, Australia, New Zealand, Africa, South America, Mexico, etc. Require the western host nations to compensate the emigrees, and assign a large UN/NATO contingent to facilitate the evacuation and to remain behind under UN mandate to protect Jewish religious and cultural sites.

Call it "Diaspora II", only this time the Iraelis are not the Hebrews or Israelites of Egypt or Bablyon but willing emigrees from a hopelessly violent existence, and enthusiastic participants in forging a better life for themselves and making way for Anglo-American empire to placate Arabs/Muslims formerly hostile to the Israelis and to us.

Then, let the Arabs and other minority ethnic groups fight it out amongst themselves for supremacy, only keep the oil flowing for we decadent westerners to consume.

There, we gave you back Palestine, the Jews are gone and safely out of harm's way and where they should have been in the 1930s-40s, and you can now decide for yourselves whether you want theocracies, democracies, monarchies, republics, or whatever. We need the oil under your feet, and we want to pay a fair price for it. No more need to hate the Israelis/Jews(???) or at least no need to want to kill them anymore.

Shalom and assalamu alaikum.; August 03, 2006 5:56 AM
Anonymous said...: seems like I read this one bedore - like maybe in THE BIBLE:

Islamic Movement: Prevent Jewish groups from visiting Temple Mount on Thursday

By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent

The Islamic Movement warned Wednesday against the possibility that Jewish groups would try to reach the Temple Mount on Thursday (The Ninth of Av) and damage the Al Aqsa Mosque.

The group's warning follows a Supreme Court decision made earlier this week, ordering police to allow whoever wants to visit the Temple Mount during regular visiting hours on the Ninth of Av.

Two MKs from the Islamic Movement, Sheikh Ibrahim Sarsur (Ra'am-Ta'al) and Sheikh Abbas Zkoor (Ra'am-Ta'al) sent an urgent letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, requesting that the government prevent members of the Temple Mount Faithful from reaching the area outside the Al Aqsa Mosque.

"Extremist Jewish groups may damage the Al Aqsa Mosque. If this were to happen, heaven forbid, it would inflame the region," the MKs wrote.; August 03, 2006 7:05 AM
Anonymous said...: Check out this German house bubble blog.

http://www.immobilienblasen.blogspot.com/

Scroll down to the Key west Florida post. "unfreakinbelieveable"; August 03, 2006 8:05 PM
Anonymous said...: Check out this German house bubble blog.

http://www.immobilienblasen
.blogspot.com/

Scroll down to the Key west Florida post. "unfreakinbelieveable"; August 03, 2006 8:06 PM
Anonymous said...: Usually just lurking here, but the topic of a Non-US wife applies to me, too. The best thing I ever did in my life (she is from Japan). And yes, my daughter from my first marriage, now 14, lives abroad, thank god (in Germany). So generalizations are always wrong, including this one :), but my personal experience confirms experiences expressed on this thread. Sorry, ladies...; August 03, 2006 8:42 PM
Anonymous said...: You guys act like it breaks our USA Red Blooded American Hearts to learn that you are chauvinists. Well, it does not. Don't care and don’t want you for romance anyway. Just keep hanging around me and my various corporate start ups, and giving me the equivalent of a Doctorates degree in how to "work the good old boy's network" and teach me capitalism, introduce me to your contacts, and I will have earned all the millions I need, with my plethora of free male consultants/mentors.

Of course you all want sex, but none of you are getting any. I am too clean.

All you get is to be seen with me in public, which, for some reason you want, but all you will get is the opportunity to become a business partner with me, or an investor, or Bye Bye. I'm busy.

Oh, and I knew how you guys felt 10 years ago. Thank God I figured it out before I wasted my whole life looking for a Mr. Right that does not exist.; August 03, 2006 10:42 PM
Anonymous said...: :Well, it does not. Don't care and don’t want you for romance anyway.

Realize, no one's wasting his time trying to convince you otherwise, since it's of no importance to see you happy in the games you and your gang play.

Much of the responses has been between men telling one another of the lies and half-truths spread by castrating lesbian cunts and their pussywhipped boyfriends.

:Of course you all want sex, but none of you are getting any. I am too clean.

Ooooh... that hurts (LOL!)

An old ploy used by a person with a hole to fill. I could do the same with gay guys, whenever I want, but I have more respect for them than I do for the likes of you. Sorry, but if you're not Claudia Schiffer then why should any guy care whether or not he gets any from you.; August 03, 2006 11:44 PM
Anonymous said...: Some interesting statistics(fodder)on job cuts:

http://chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/article.pl?portal_id=45&page_id=1108

The historical numbers say May and June should both be about the same, not so in this economy!; August 04, 2006 12:04 AM
Anonymous said...: Some interesting statistics(fodder)on job cuts:
http://chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin
/article.pl?portal_id=45&page_id=1108

The historical numbers say May and June should both be about the same, not so in this economy!

(Sorry, chopped the URL on the last post); August 04, 2006 12:07 AM
Anonymous said...: You guys are pathetic. You want pets, not life partners. The 'verbal abuse' comments are just perfect. I pity your 'wives', who are probably running from such torturous lives you probably do look like a catch.

http://www.my-sisters-house.org/; August 04, 2006 1:24 AM
Anonymous said...: Hey, guys!

I'm a woman, and I can't *believe* how many women have been at least complicit in the pursuit of the *bigger* house. Not only is it more house to pay for at the closing (bad for both spouses) but more (often much, much more) to clean and maintain...tasks both spouses generally hate, from anecdotal observation. My next move is to a 1,200-square-foot (or less) rental. Even if housing weren't going to crash, who wants to work their life away on a "stuff museum"? More people (which includes, sadly, women) than I ever would have dreamed, apparently.; August 04, 2006 4:56 PM
Anonymous said...: Yeah I went to a martial arts class yesterday and the class was really small, like 5 people in a bug barn size school on a piece of property outside their house.

Obviously they aren't going to be paying the rent off of those few people.

Then the sensei's trying to sell me on classes, meantime his wife comes out with their 2 kids and the kids are running around.

The wife's lookon her face shows she's obviously p*ssed the husband's taking so long but doesn't seem to realize that if he doesn't sell me, no new student to help pay the rent.

They both looked extremely stressed out.

Yeah, I for one am never getting married. Nothing seems worse for a relationship than marriage.; August 04, 2006 5:08 PM
Anonymous said...: If you want to find out how responsible your future spouse is, check their credit report ... LOL; August 04, 2006 5:11 PM
Anonymous said...: It's nuts, that's what I think.

There is NO precedent for college costs to decrease. For the past 10 years costs have gone up drastically. Student loans were already not reduced through bankruptcy except in special cirumstances.

Quite frankly, there is NO reason to default on a student loan. Without loans, many wouldn't have been able to attend school (myself included). The loan companies are always trying to get people to defer payments; when I took some pre-grad school classes they gave me an automatic deferment on payments even though I didn't request it. I called the loan company and asked to have the payments deducted through my checking account and they couldn't do it while I am classified as an active student.

Now I'm in grad school and doing the "pay as I go" thing.; August 04, 2006 8:21 PM
Anonymous said...: I think one of the companies that is a big player in collecting old debt is the GSE that handles student loans.

"Arrow Financial Services, at one time the country's largest debt buyer, was acquired by Sallie Mae in 2004, making the student lender the nation's largest collection agency."

Here is the link:

http://tinyurl.com/hllvj; August 04, 2006 9:26 PM
Anonymous said...: :You want pets, not life partners.

Au contraire, partnership is something a lot of fellows are good at.

It's the whole being 'a second (or sometimes primary) credit card/checking acct' role that we don't appreciate. Along with the ball & chain/whips & chainsaws that come with it.

My GF is the animals person and as a result, we now have a family of Scotties, Goldfish, and Ferrets. What a way of working out the stresses of the day. I wouldn't give this up for the type of dysfunctional relationships that a lot of my friends partake in.

To one of the guys above, it's better to be on an island than to be swimming with sharks. And yes, those are treacherous waters.; August 04, 2006 11:32 PM
Anonymous said...: I don't remember how I got to this link, but found it very informative on housing trends. enjoy.

http://tinyurl.com/gztyd; August 05, 2006 1:13 AM
Anonymous said...: I was driving downtown the other day and these 2 huge fatties were crossing the crosswalk in front of me. It took about 4 minutes.

So that go tme thinking ... you know, how do these women get fed? Do they work? What do they do?

So I did a quick check of all the obese people people that I know, and all of the ones that my immediate family know, and all of the ones in my family.

And you know what? Not a single obese woman that we know is divorced, and few work. Out of about 25 women, they're all still married.

Most were stay at home moms.

Now is that interesting, or what? That seems to point that obese women with fewer options for re-marriage, don't get divorced.

Either that, or men just like fat women better.

Odds are, because we know a lot of obese women who never got married and are still single, and living on disability, or off their parents, that this is because:

WOMEN INSTIGATE DIVORCE. In most all cases, it seems, women are the ones to instigate divorce.

Interesting, eh?; August 05, 2006 1:15 AM
Anonymous said...: I (in my mid forties) have seen more than one, (actually 4 divorces, all with children) Where each one of the women over a well planned period of time Cleaned out the bank accounts! And got the sympathy from everyone of 'Poor me' When cornered about the confiscation of funds, they ALL denied or had no idea about what their talking about! Then they proceeded to take what was left with help from their Scum-lawyer! The only justice of this is: today each one of the women is damn near broke! The Moneytrain eventually comes to a stop! :); August 09, 2006 2:06 AM
Anonymous said...: Numbers Don't Lie! People Do!; August 09, 2006 2:09 AM

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