March 30, 2006

Bush & Fox having a little chat about housing bubbles and immigration today


Wonder if they'll talk about what to do with the thank-you-housing-bubble-bursting, millions of soon-to-be-unemployed Mexican immigrants?

Instead of quotes from today's article on the summit, a quote from Teddy Roosevelt. Was he racist to discuss the issue in 1919? I don't think so.

"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...

There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

--Theodore Roosevelt, 1919

9 comments:

blogger said...

dogcrap - if they're here illegally, send 'em on back too, and their loonies and toonies too

funny post

The Thinker said...

Teddy Roosevelt's comment came at the close of WWI when there was some debate as to how immigrants from enemy nations should be treated if they still remain loyal to their country of origin.

Mexico is not an enemy nation.

foreclose_me said...

"Hamdi vs Rumsfeld"

That case did not rule that illegal babies are citizens; it has not been ruled on by the Supreme Court. Primarily because it is obvious they are not citizens; the jurisdiction clause was added to make sure Indians wouldn't be citizens, so it most certainly means illegal aliens are not also.

Hamdi DID try to get himself ruled a citizen by virtue of the fact he was born in Louisiana because his parents were visiting the USA. The court did not rule on the claim.

foreclose_me said...

All the talk about assimilation is moot. The Mexicans are not here as immigrants, they are here as invaders, expanding the territory of their own nation.

The framers did not write the 14th Amendment, and the 14th Amendment does not change the fact that Congress can extend or revoke citizenship of any one who is not 'subject to the jurisdiction' of the United States, meaning children of foreigners.

Anchor babies' only value is a birth certificate, which has been used as a proxy for assuming one is a citizen.

That could end at any moment, with or without an Act of Congress, or a ruling by any court. There are cases where Mexicans with a US birth certificate have been denied re-entry to the United States already, particularly when the Mexican crosses the border each day to attend US school.

Noodles said...

As a Mexican, I see many people's nationalistic points. We could do the whole history thing but in reality "might does make right." You guys took the land, it's better runned then if Mexico had control of it. Fine, my point is that Mexicans WORK, we don't beg, some steal, some ask for health care they don't deserve but as far as 1st generation Mexicans we will pick up cans and bottles sleep in the parks before we beg or ask for services. My bone to pick is so many kids but those in control don't believe or like birth control, they don't want it taught nor do they think of the social benefits of abortions. Evil? Maybe, but realistic. Comments? (By the way before all the racists come yelling I can trace my family to California since 1787)

foreclose_me said...

could this immigration sentimet be a foreteller of the economic recession to come? I vaguely remember this happening before in the US.

Could be... The last time immigration was heavily restricted was the 1920s when the eugenicists and other groups were a powerful force. Interracial marriage was banned as well. I think it is still on the books in one of the Southern states.

foreclose_me said...

You're right about the interracial law; it is actually segregated schools. Alabama voted to keep them in 2004.

As for the other stuff, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just pointing out that immigration restriction was very popular just prior to the Great Depression. I don't know that it is related this time around, seeming to come much closer to the Main Event, rather than well prior as in the 1920s.

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Anonymous said...

One thing all you real estate buffs fail to consider is that Manifest Destiny may be been the biggest real estate scam of them all. During the Mexican American War, the United States acquired (stole) the northern half of Mexico. This area later became states of California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and Utah. Texas of course came earlier. The way I see it, Mexico is just getting its country back one Mexican at a time.