Thanks HP reader BP for this NY Times 1984 article. Read it folks - you'll be amazed how easily history can repeat itself. This article feels like it could've been written today. Yes, long term housing should go up. But after the mother of all bubbles, we'll see 60% corrections again. That's when you should buy, not today. And not a year ago. Unless you intend to be in the home for 40 years, and unless you can stomach being hundreds of thousands of dollars in the hole if you had to sell your house.
My pal Jerry P. just bought a condominium in Century City, in Beverly Hills, for 60 percent of what it sold for in 1980. Down the street from me here in the Hollywood hills, four houses have been on the market since 1981. The asking prices now are about one-third less than they were three years ago. Up and down Sunset Boulevard in West Hollywood, apartment houses that were converted to condos lie empty, boarded up, not one unit sold, in bankruptcy, with banks holding title.
New Yorkers do not like to believe they could learn anything from California, but perhaps in this one case they might try.
The Southern California residential real estate boom began in about 1974. It was not just a boom. It was a superboom, with miserable bungalows in Santa Monica running up from $40,000 in 1974 to $400,000 by 1980. Two-story colonials in Beverly Hills went from $200,000 to $800,000 and then over a million. One-bedroom condos in Hollywood were built and sold for $100,000 - what a house in Beverly Hills had been five years before. Every day, home buyers would look at the prices and say, ''It can't go on.'' But every day, for five years, it did go on. Middle-class families were priced out of the market, and the brokers said, ''But the rich will always be able to buy.'' Ordinary rich people were squeezed out of the market in some areas, but the brokers said, ''Never mind, the music business people will buy anything.'' The music business fell into a depression in 1979, and the brokers said, ''The foreigners are buying. Compared with Paris or Teheran, real estate in Holmby Hills is a bargain.''
Everyone wanted to get in to the game, get the down payment on a house, somehow struggle with the payments for a year, then sell out and get rich quick. Inflation pushed housing prices into the stratosphere. But even when inflation stopped, brokers said, ''The prices have nothing to do with inflation. Everyone on earth wants to live in L.A. The price will go up forever here, no matter what else happens in the rest of the country.''
Then the music stopped, some afternoon in 1980. As if a spell had fallen over the city, suddenly things began to stay on the market for three months, six months, a year, two years. Buyers disappeared. Asking prices stayed high, but nothing sold.
The great Southern California real estate boom was over. Prices had gotten so high that they could no longer be justified by inflationary expectations, or the influx of foreigners, or the climate, or for any other reason.
February 10, 2006
The Day Los Angeles's Bubble Burst - article from 1984
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It is interesting to note that the article said prices did not go down, even as houses stayed on the market for 1 or 2 years.
I think history may well repeat its self. The article says the bubble burst in 1980 but also says that houses were bought cheap in 1984.
We are now back to 1980, houses are staying on the market but prices have not yet come down. We may have to wait untill 2010 till prices return to earth.
2010 will be our 1984.
That will be the year we make contact.
Very interesting story, though a bigger bust happened in the following decade (91-97). And now with prices at ultra extreme levels, I have little doubt it’ll bust once again.
Southern California has an extremely high beta and the only winners are those that sell prior to the bust, and buy at the bottom of the trough. Sad as it may seem, this time I believe the housing bubble will be crueler to the bad timers.
"How do you think times will be tougher for bad timers?"
Well Bruce Norris (CA real estate investor, guru), believes that foreclosures will increase 1,500% in Southern California … I agree with him.
When compared to prior California housing bubbles, this one has a much higher abundance of exotic mortgages. And I believe the confidence level is much higher than anytime prior, setting up the table for a devastating collapse. There has been no other community that has benefited from the housing bubble more than So. California; many jobs have been created in mortgage, building, & title co’s, etc … As the real estate market continues to slow nationwide, CA will be the big loser.
I live in Orange County, and if I were to attend a block party and bring up this topic, my neighbors would think I was nuts. Everyone here has no memory of the past, and they’re living in a shell.
Absolutely great article. Thanks so much for posting it!
Reminds me of my own family's story: my parents bought a house in the early 1973 (in SF) for about 40K. They sold it in the early 80s for about 200K, and bought a new house for about the same price... both houses would easily go for over a mil now, even with a softer market.
So while 200K in 1982 is about 5 times the price in 1973, both owners did amazingly well over 20-30 years.
So my question is... how long do you think this bust will last? Say you bought in June 2005 (most likely the peak). At what date do you think you'll break even and start to see some gains... 2015? Earlier? Later?
My personal opinion - this is going to be one hell of a bust. 2003, before ARMS took off, was our last chance for a soft landing. When this hits bottom, LA in the mid 90's will seem like one of housing's lighter moments.
I had a heated argument with my brother who just purchased a $360K house in Phoenis. Let me tell you a bust is in not in a lot of people's minds. His argument is houses always go up. I forwarded him this article.
I don't think we'll -ever- see an inflation adjusted price equivalent to Jun '05 San Francisco. Ever, really. I know that sounds extreme but we are entering a period of high inflation and house devaluation. By the time prices seem to be catching up with the 2005 highs the very nature of the house will have changed. In 20 years you'll have solar everywhere, water heaters will be mandated, by law, to be tankless and not use electricity. I hear the sniggers. No, seriously, My house in 1962 was considered state of the art cutting edge. I still have the "All Electric" doorbell. All electric because in 1962 nuclear power was going to be too cheap to meter at the residential level. Stop laughing. anyway, my roof? Yeah, just replaced it after 43 years. State of the art, best money could buy at the time. Guess, come on guess. Yup, old growth redwood shake shingles. Nothing like chopping down 800 year old groves to keep the rain out. My point is, things change. Nobody is going to want to live in the hellhole parts of SF when they can do so much better elsewhere.
Compilation of articles from the NY Times about the 1980s real estate bubble in the NY Metro area, and it's resultant collapse..
Home Prices Do Fall
Take a look, it's an eye opener.
grim
anyone have any info on the Portland, OR or Seattle market? there are rumors they may be the next CA.......
I remember a few years ago my friend telling me he couldn't see his house. He was desperate and wanted to get out of the Bay Area. I wonder if he ever sold. Anyways, only a fool would buy now. Don't folks ever plan on retiring?
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