August 07, 2008

Ron Paul takes on the #1 issue facing America


Anonymous said...

Ron Paul? Is that nazi still around?

Paul E. Math said...

Not sure this is the #1 issue facing America. But I agree that marijuana should be legalized.

I'm not a pot smoker myself but I know many who are and they are not criminals. All your doctors, lawyers, engineers, everyone smoked pot in college. And some still do with minimal negative effects. But most people grow out of it regardless of it's illegality.

Go to Amsterdam and you'll see that most people grow up and realize "hey, I make a fool out of myself when I'm drunk or stoned" and they cut back or stop.

We waste a tremendous amount of money making people stop doing something they would willingly stop doing anyway.

We could be raking in millions in tax revenue rather than giving that money to organized crime. And that's the biggest obstacle to this legislation: organized crime. Because if you legalized drugs then it would cut out a major portion of their income.

Any business that you make illegal, like drugs, gambling, prostitution, is a business that you give to organized crime. And those guys are not the admirable characters you see on the Godfather or the Sopranos - they are the scum of the earth, far worse even than realtors.

Anonymous said...

Dude you think Sopranos characters are admirable? You need help.

Anonymous said...

If we legalize pot, much of the crime figures will lose their income. This is GOOD!


Take the street dope dealers out of school and OFF THE STREET.

Thats right. Take a bite out of crime. Legalize small amounts of grass if you're over the age of 21.

You can not have it in a vehicle, it must be in the trunk for transport.

People kill each other in "bad pot deals" because pot is purchased UNDERGROUND with thugs, criminals, guns, knives, stolen goods and murderers. Sometomes cops are killed in bad pot deals.

But I agree. This bill wont pass because our elected officials are the biggest bunch of assholes and idiots the world has ever seen.

We'd be better off just getting rid of the entire US government and starting over.

They are just an evil group of criminal thugs, asswipes and elitists.

mr. rational said...

Once again, RP nails it.

It's not a question of whether pot should be legalized. The question is whether the FEDERAL government has ANY say at all in this UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.

Clearly, if you read the document, the federal government is not empowered to regulate marijuana and that issue is left to the states and the people.

In that case, one would have to read a given state constitution to see if that state has any right to regulate marijuana. It could vary from state to state.

So, again, casting the issue as "legalizing marijuana" misses the MUCH bigger point of trying to cut back on the ridiculously broad scope of the federal government's intrusion into our daily lives and trying to get back to the original intent and meaning of the Constitution.

In that sense, this IS the biggest issue facing America. But, if you can't think your way out of a wet paper bag, you won't see that and you'll never see what's been done to our liberty.

bush arrest watcher said...

September 24, 2007 - Washington, DC, USA

Washington, DC: Police arrested a record 829,625 persons for marijuana violations in 2006, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's annual Uniform Crime Report, released today. This is the largest total number of annual arrests for pot ever recorded by the FBI. Marijuana arrests now comprise nearly 44 percent of all drug arrests in the United States.

"These numbers belie the myth that police do not target and arrest minor marijuana offenders," said NORML Executive Director Allen St. Pierre, who noted that at current rates, a marijuana smoker is arrested every 38 seconds in America. "This effort is a tremendous waste of criminal justice resources that diverts law enforcement personnel away from focusing on serious and violent crime, including the war on terrorism."


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keith said...

I frankly don't care what people do with drugs or alcohol - their free choice.

I agree with William F. Buckley - drugs should be legal. And the untold billions we spend as a nation locking up the dealers should instead be spent on prevention.

If drugs were legal, then employers could drug test everyone they want, and only hire people who don't do drugs. If employers don't want drug using employees that is. It's not the damn government's business what people put into their bodies. Ron Paul is right.

But again, Americans like on so many other issues aren't willing to open their minds on this issue. And it's killing us.

mr. rational said...


The question is not what YOU or Wm. F. Buckley or I or anyone else thinks about legalizing drugs.

The question is whether the CONSTITUTION allows the feds to regulate it. (It does NOT!)

Your personal opinions on issues like this would be relevant if your state were proposing to amend its own state constitution to address the issue. Then, you could debate it and vote on it.

Again, slowly, so everyone will get this point:


It's just that simple. If you think it should allow regulation, then amend the constitution. Otherwise, it's a no-brainer.

90% of the crap we argue about in America is the same. Once you understand this, the world becomes much simpler.

tangelo mozilo said...

In Prince George's County, Maryland, there's a little town called Berwyn Heights.

Just last week, a SWAT team busted through the mayor's door, shot his two dogs, handcuffed the mayor and his mother-in-law, and interrogated them for hours in their drawers, surrounded by the dog corpses. The cops didn't even have a proper warrant:

The reason? Some joker Fed-Exed the mayor's wife 32 pounds of weed as part of a pot distribution scheme that involves sending large quantities of pot to unknown recipients.

Stuff like this -- and worse -- happens every day across Amerika because of the puritanical hypocrisy that is the drug war.

We had better learn how to live with drugs in such as way that they cause the least harm to society, because this fantasy of a drug-free Amerika is never going to happen -- no matter how much of a nazi police state we become. And you can bet your sweet @$$, the DRUG WAR is far more likely to turn us into a police state than the reviled Patriot Act will ever be.

world peace rules said...

RE: "Take a bite out of crime":


I'd give up everything if I could just put a pair of handcuffs on bush, cheney, rove and rumsfeld!

robert said...

Ron Who? Shouldn’t Obama take on the #1 issue facing America? What if anything could this Ron person do?

Say "NO!" to Fascism said...

Why can't he be president?

Anonymous said...

Ron Paul sounds like he's on crack.

Anonymous said...

I don't smoke pot, or take drugs, but it should be obvious that the richest people of the world control the drug trade.

Tangelo Mozilo said...

Mr. Rational:

You're absolutely correct. However, long ago in Wickard v. Fiburn, we stretched the Commerce Clause beyond any recognition, and now nothing (especially nothing that is grown) appears to be off limits to federal regulation.

The most recent Supreme Kourt atrocity in this area was Gonzales v. Raich, where the Kourt held that the federal Nazi police state can throw you in prison for growing small amounts of pot for you own medical use, even where it is legal under your state's law. Even Scalia concurred with the majority.

O'Connor, joined by Rheinquist, issued a dissenting opinion stressing federalism's importance in allowing states to experiment with their own laws in areas such as this one.

Thomas issued a great dissenting opinion, stating:

"Respondent's local cultivation and consumption of marijuana is not 'Commerce ... among the several States.'

Certainly no evidence from the founding suggests that 'commerce' included the mere possession of a good or some personal activity that did not involve trade or exchange for value. In the early days of the Republic, it would have been unthinkable that Congress could prohibit the local cultivation, possession, and consumption of marijuana.”

and further:

“ If the majority is to be taken seriously, the Federal Government may now regulate quilting bees, clothes drives, and potluck suppers throughout the 50 States. This makes a mockery of Madison's assurance to the people of New York that the "powers delegated" to the Federal Government are "few and defined", while those of the States are "numerous and indefinite."

Now, Rheinquist is dead, O'Connor is retired, and Thomas is 60 years old. We're going to need a lot more justices like Thomas if this country can even hope not to devolve into a monolithic, 1984-style police state.

Anonymous said...

I didn't know about the Mayor of Berwyn Heights. How outrageous! The government does interfere where it has no business, whether it's drug use or propping up a phantom economy (we don't even make all the parts to our own weapons anymore).
However, this egregious, and heartbreaking case of antti-drug ideology-gone-berserk has me very upset. no one should have to meet the fate of Rachel Hoffman for minor use and distribution of pot. Does the DEA still base it's drug education on the premise that the 1937 version of "Reefer Madness" was divinely inspired by God?
I'm beginning to think that it may be.

Anonymous said...

You can fleece a nation, and nothing bad happens to you. But if you smoke a little pot or even get stuck with some inadvertently, your name and wealth can be destroyed, and you might even die prematurely as a result, Like Rachel Hoffman did. So many more lives will be ruined by the housing bubble than by pot, but still very few REIC arrests have occurred. Something is very wrong here.

Anonymous said...

Liberals are funny creatures. You don't want the government outlawing drugs. Yet you want the government running your health care system. And you want the government deciding who can say what on the radio (Fairness Doctrine) and deciding how many MPG your car should have. You also want the govt controling your retirement accounts via the greatest ponzi scheme ever know to mankind. You want all that, but god forbid the govt says there should be limits on drug use.

Anonymous said...

Uh... Mr Rational, your problem is that you are using REASON. This is 2008, and we don't need no stinking REASON. Also, you are confused about our system of government. We no longer live in a constitutional republic. We now live in a lower case d democracy. Silly Mr Rational, what the mob wants the mob gets.

Say "NO!" to Fascism said...

@ Anonymous August 07, 2008 5:57 PM

I don't want the government outlawing drugs, running health care, regulating free speech, mandating MPG, or controlling retirement accounts.

I also don't want them bailing out people and businesses who made poor decisions. Personal responsibility and self reliance needs to make a comeback.

Anonymous said...

The guys I buy my weed from sell other shit too. I'm not an economist but if they lose the profit from pot won't he have to sell more meth/coke/foil to make up for it?

Anonymous said...

"...Liberals are funny creatures...You want all that..."

I'd like to see fellow conservatives pay their bills(especially after all the whining about regulation, responsibility, and free-markets.)

Wouldn't that be refreshing, comrade?

HoofHearted said...

Anonypuss said:

Ron Paul? Is that nazi still around?

August 07, 2008 12:17 PM

you must be the dumbest mother fucker on the face of the earth

HB Slacker said...

Ron Paul is my hero! any of you redneck rightwing nazis have no right to criminalize marijuana.

this isnt a liberal issue at all. I live in CA and hold a doctors recomendation which allows me to posess and purchase from cannabis clubs pot under SB 420 and SB 415.

I'm quite successful and my friends also are who hold the recomendations. Because some of us choose pot as our intoxicant over alcohol and ciggerettes both highly addictive unlike pot which has no physical addiction.

I have smoked pot most of my life and Im 40 now..Im in perfect health and I have close to 0 body fat and a six pack abs.I cycle,surf,kayak, work out every day. I also have no kids, AND HAVE NEVER BEEN ARRESTED EVER. I'VE NEVER HAD A DUI, I HAVE A PERFECT DRIVING RECORD. I also own my house free and clear and have a great career.

The reason why I've made good choices in life is because pot makes you think and dosent impair my judgemenbt like alcohol or other harmful drugs.


abb said...

The CIA is the biggest illegal drug distributor in the world. No way in hell they'll allow drugs to be legalized. It's far too profitable a business.

google 'cia cocaine' and educate yourself.

mr. rational said...

As a lawyer and eternal student of Constitutional Law, I'm VERY aware of the nightmare called Wickard v. Filburn. It is the Poster Child for the demise of the US Constitution and, ultimately, America.

Again, Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who even MENTIONS the real issue that matters: The destruction of our liberty by those who wish to ignore the Constitution.


Again, the issue that should be under discussion is whether the federal government has ANY power in this area under the Constitution.

People MUST get it out of their heads that the answer to every problem facing America is whatever they want it to be. Without a fixed, unchanging standard for our laws, we have, as a practical matter, NO laws and no future. You might win some and you might lose some individual issues under the Constitution, but you lose everything with NO constitution.

Again, Ron Paul is the only person who has any national platform at all who truly understands this.

If you don't support that, you lose what may be your last, best hope of saving America.

It isn't pretty out there. Just look at the batch of losers we've had running things for the last 20-30 years and the current crop of losers and the current state of the state. Are you happy with the direction America is headed?

Is that what you want for your future? If not, change it!

Obama and McCain are just more of the same old crap. They are NOT the answer!

Ola Dunk said...

I'd be for cannabis prohibition if it had worked, because it's a dangerous drug.

Unfortunately it doesn't and you get violence, full prisons and a huge sum of money going abroad.

Anonymous said...

I don't smoke pot, but I'm one of those people who likes to mind his own buisness. I could give a rats ass if my next door neighbor is smoking pot. As long as they don't hurt my family, it's absolutely none of my business. If they aren't hurting anything, why should I think about it, hell why should I even care? The problem is, we just have way too many "good samaritans". I mean, are these people trying to get a fuckin' brownie badge or something? A $50 gift card for Mcdonalds?

Mind your own god damned business you bunch of busybodies. Fucking A!