June 02, 2008

HousingPANIC Quote of the Day


"Today, the time for the fall of the satanic power of the United States has come and the countdown to the annihilation of the emperor of power and wealth has started... With the appearance of the promised saviour... and his companions such as Jesus Christ, tyranny will be soon be eradicated in the world."

- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, spooky-crazy and just itching to get it on, June 2, 2008

106 comments:

Bitterrenter said...

He sounds no crazier than the things I hear living in America. And the actions of the Iranians is positively civil compared to the death and destruction we've brought to Iraq and any place else we get involved. When I see Iran responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians, when I see Iran having destroyed the lives of generations of Iraqi children, when I see Iran having invaded a country that had done nothing them, then maybe you can call them crazy and us sane.

Going further back, when I see Iran dropping a nuke on a population consisting of mainly women and children (as we did in Japan) then you can call them crazy.

Until then, the craziest people on Earth will still be the Americans. Committing crazy acts against humanity is much worse than spouting rhetoric.

RayW said...

He's a zealot...to bad there isn't a comet coming by with a spaceship behind it for him to catch a ride on...

Anonymous said...

Dont worry Im sure Obama will TALK to him about it. Lets not even mess with invading them.


Lets just bomb them into oblivion

Mammoth said...

This guy is just itching to start World War III and is a danger to the whole world.

He needs to be taken out - period.

I don’t care if this is done by a bullet, by an airplane crash, or by an atomic bomb. As much as a sh!tstorm as this would cause, it would not be as bad as what will happen if he isn’t taken out.

Mark my words.
-Mammoth

million said...

he should go on a blind date w/ McCain's chief foreign policy advisor James Woolsey. they have so much in common, they're both nuttier than squirrel sh*t. here's Woolsey advising generals and diplomats at the Senate building recently:

“In Iran, there is one Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi, a mentor to President Ahmadinejad. His views are well known. He is a fanatic. He thinks that, if you killed about third of the people on the Earth, and another third dies as a consequence, the pain of the world will be enough to bring on the Final Judgment. Then the hidden 12th Imam Mahdi will return to his place with his helper Jesus Christ and hold court. Many Americans, who are used to looking at things practically, say, no normal person could believe that. If a small group of crazy people believe that, why pay attention to them? I have an answer for those people. It's just two words: Mein Kampf. If Churchill had read Hitler's book in time, He would have understood that it was the ideological basis for the extermination of the Jews. Therefore, we should take ideology seriously.”

Anonymous said...

No worries
Obamah will reach out with dialogue

DOPES

edd said...

Maybe the 12th Imam has returned.

Anonymous said...

Looks like they got da bomb.

God help us and them.

Beignet

Do It NOW. said...

Invite Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to come to US and run for President.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would be a vast improvement over the gangster and vice-gangster currently holding the positions.

IMPEACH, IMPRISON FORFEIT PASSPORTS AND SEIZE ASSETS OF BUSHCO-CHENEYBURTON

Do It NOW.

Anonymous said...

So you can justify destroying a country and bombing innocent civilians just because they have a leader that says stupid sh!t Keith?

It's the Neocons in the US that are "itching to get it on".

Batman said...

So is he taking over as Emmanuel Goldstein from ObL? Keep people scared by elevating an irrelavent twit to demonic threat.

deepcgi said...

Just for the record, this guy is crazy in spite of George W. Bush.

Malcolm said...

If you understand nothing else, understand this…

The ONLY thing keeping this man in power is his “fight” with the US. His economics are a disaster, the people hate him, and it looks like they are planning to boot him.

If we leave him alone, he will destroy himself very soon. If we take the bait, fall for his trap, and walk around threatening him and Iran, it will stir the support of his people, and he will be able to hang on.

He walks around screaming “death to America” and “death to Israel”, but the last thing he really wants is death to either. He needs an ENEMY more than he needs success.

Anonymous said...

It's funny how you're so prone to eating up that US military propaganda who are the real aggressors in the Middle East, Keith. How about looking at the words of Bushco:

George Bush spooky-crazy and itching to get it on

And of course, we already know about the "bomb bomb bomb Iran" McCain and the constant stream of hate toward the Muslim world coming from the supporters of Israel.

Do you even know anything about the history of US intervention in Iran that has caused this anti-American sentiment in the Middle East? I know you do.

So people like you and the other pro-war, bomb Iran sympathizers are just cold-hearted pigs lacking any empathy. You know that the US has bombed and killed millions of Iraqis and hundreds of Iraqi children have died due to US bombs and sanctions. You people are just sick.

When Muslims say they hate America, they're not talking about hating you for your freedom they are talking about US foreign policy. Only the most pig ignorant slack-jawed yokel couldn't understand that.

All of you yuppies enjoying your soy lattes and driving around in your gas guzzling SUVs could have very easily been born in Iran or Iraq and be at the mercy of lunatics like Bush and Cheney.

Anonymous said...

You may notice that he didn't say annihilation of the US - just the power and the emperor.

And if you assume that the power of the US is in it's dollar... then he's right!

Try reading between the lines. Just because you grew up on Hollywood, doesn't mean that everyone needs to use force to annihilate their enemies.

In this case - all they have to do is stop using your money.

Are you ready to pay $1000 for a barrel of oil?

cassandra said...

http://tinyurl.com/688xzs

Joschka Fisher floats trial balloon for pre-emptive attack on Iranian nuclear facilities by Israel with US support/approval.

The countdown to armaggedon has already begun.

Mark said...

This is the man OBAMA wants to talk with and deal with...

Anonymous said...

Bomb, Bomb, Bomb....Bomb, Bomb, IRAN.
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb....Bomb, Bomb, IRAN.
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb....Bomb, Bomb, IRAN.

Come on everyone lighten up!

Right from the Strait Talk Express buddy.

Sounds like an excellent opportunity for another False Flag operation. Martial law here we come!

-FutureShock-

Casey Serin said...

You know what, the U.S. could end its foreign oil dependency if we started drilling for oil on my face! Look the those pimples -- there's more oil in my pores than in Saudi Arabia and Iran combined!! ;-)

MS, M.D. said...

Hey Keith, can you include me in your blogroll? All the South Florida crash blogs have fallen into a state of neglect. I started my own. I have already linked to your wonderful site. It is www.miamicondoforum.com . If you could read my first two entries and give some feedback I would be honored. The 6 percenters here in Miami are fooling hapless people left and right.

Anonymous said...

All of you 9/11 deniers need to watch this:

Visual Identification and 9/11

Just click on it and watch the whole damn thing OK?

Now, can you tell me for absolutely certain that there is not more to the story of 9/11? Do you seriously have no doubts about it?

And that includes you Keith. You have previously compared 9/11 truthers (who just have legitimate questions about that day) to flat earthers and creationists.

Where you do get off saying BS like that?

Silly Wabbit said...

This guy certainly words his endorsement for Obamallamadingdong strangely.

Anonymous said...

Well, unlike our president, he's a smart man. He realizes that this once great Nation is now under the complete and total control of a great domestic enemy. He knows that they are bleeding this Nations peoples of all wealth and all hope, just as their ancestors had done to pre WW2 Germany.
Very soon folks, many of the brain-washed and brain dead here in the United States will start to wake up.

Honica Jewinski

Anonymous said...

And lucky us, the idiots in this country are trying to elect an Empty Suit with no experience in foreign policy. As a matter of fact, no experience on anything since he doesn't have one single bill in the Senate and voted "present" 99% of the time.

But you think that's a good idea, right Keith?

Anonymous said...

Here's a recent peer-reviewed civil engineering journal paper that blows the official explanation of the three world trade center collapses out of the water!

Fourteen Points of Agreement with Official Government Reports on the World Trade Center Destruction


Now, if you can read this in it's entirety and still claim to be perfectly satisfied with the official explanation of 9/11 and continue to call 9/11 truthers conspiracy theorists then you are either a disgusting liar or a braindead fool.

I have a feeling that you'll simply dismiss this too, Keith. You obviously can't handle the truth.

Jeff Bent said...

This is one of the best announcements I have ever read from the President of Iran. It is time for it.

momjoe said...

Don't worry, Hussein Obama will talk to him and everything is going to be okay!

Anonymous said...

He's in for a big surprise when, as September approaches with our economic system in turmoil, a sudden incident will take place perpetuating WW 3 and the demise of Iran.

Anonymous said...

Buy one house - Get one free!


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laland/2008/06/in-escondido-bu.html



DOPES!

Anonymous said...

Or at least someone told you that he said that.

It is neocons and their democrat bedbuddies that want Iran's oil, as they now have Iraq's.

doug said...

Lock and load!

Anonymous said...

Entitled to Their Opinions, Yes. But Their Facts?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opinion/01pubed.html

Anonymous said...

Adn you support Obama's lunatic idea of "talking" to him? I'd like to see the naive Obama fly into Iran for "peace" talks. lmfao. What a moron.

Anonymous said...

My post has nothing to do with the quote above but I wanted to let yall know that my girlfriend and I who live in a very nice 2/2 apt in chandler, az walked over across the street to a new development of condos being built by DR HORTON homes.
We walked in the trailer (new home office) and got a tour of the 2 bedroom model. They immediatley told us that "now was the best time buy" and that "prices will never be this low again, in fact next week we are raising prices because they are 75% sold" I think I made them cream when I told them I was a renter with excellent credit and could easily put 20% down. After touring their condo I have to say my apt is much nicer. My masterbedroom is twice the size of the master in their condo. I pay $899 a month in rent and the payment on one of their condos would be conservatively $1500 a month posssibly up to 2k the less I would put down. What a joke!!! I am renewing my lease and I am going to continue to build assets and I am not interested in catching a knife that has barely fallen. I have a degree in Economics, either my rent has to sky rocket or the condos have to plumment in sales price. Just thought yall would enjoy this story.

Steve in AZ

ohhnoo said...

Keith, there is a muslim restaurant near my house and the owner wouldn't even talk to me but he made love with his words to a somali customer. So there's a lot of tension and the muslim community really isn't happy that the US & UK are killing their friends indiscrimantly.

Anonymous said...

Time to bomb Iran and invade from Afganistan and Iraq. Then I want gas for 10 cents a gallon right after we make all three countries the 51 state. Ok. As part of the deal, Russia can have Afganistan, which is what they wanted 28 years ago. Seriously, Iran must be dealt with before they get a nuke. Is not the President of Iran the same man holding American hostages during the 1979 crisis? Right after the invasion, I would have him hanged like Sadam.

wings said...

This dude is a fricken' loon.

A maniacal kook to be sure.

Words fail one...

Bryan said...

I disagree with the contention that Jesus Christ was a mere prophet of the deity worshiped by the Iranian President. I take by faith that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, born of a virgin, died on a cross, and arose from the grave to return to Earth at some future time, at the lead and not as a "companion." That time is unknowable by you, me, or anyone.

As that time is unknowable, it is better to prepare for a longer wait than for a short one, thus I hope for more discussion on how the housing bubble will play out and a discussion in which instruments I should be placing my down payment money. Amen.

Anonymous said...

Amadenajad and Big Oil are playing everyone for a fool. They are in this together. The first question you need to ask is who benefits from a threat of war?

Iran does not and America does not in a real shooting war. BUT...if they threaten to have a war the price of oil shoots up even more. Iran's oil income and big oil can justify the RAPE they give people at the pump.

People who think this guy or our guys are for real are pretty stupid.

AmazingRuss said...

Well, that gives me an idea for how people in other countries must feel when they hear Bush speak about his heavenly mandate.

Isn't this guy's term about done too?

Israel Shamir said...

Ahmadenijad does not want war. He wants the USA to stop their fanatical support for Israel and to stop trying to police the world. The press usually mistranslates and misrepresents his statements since they want to foment war, just like they did with the current war on Iraq.

Can you imagine our retard president going to a foreign university and taking unscripted questions?

Anonymous said...

yes. and it seems America is spooky crazy too, wreaking global mayhem while bankrupting and enslaving it's citizens in debt, as constitutional and worker rights fade into the cold dark windy night.

What was it he said about how we would suffer empty lives in a desolate world, or something like that? We like in a culture of crass commercialization, blinded to the suffering around us by the media, until we ourselves fall into the abyss between the cracks, but then our compatriots will be deaf to our cries.

yes he's crazy, but let's not turn a blind eye to our own dark shadows.

Doc the ZEALOT said...

When Jesus comes back, it's going to be to kick your butt, not to help you establish your dictatorial regime over the whole world!

(Read it... Daniel, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Revelation, etc...)

Anonymous said...

Keith,

I know ur not a big fan of Ahmadinejad but stop for a minute and consider this. Maybe the problem is not what he is saying but rather how what he is saying is being interpreted....literally...by the interpreters and shaded with religous speak.

The Farsi language is so old that the interpretation of it sounds biblical and apocalyptic, especially if you take a literal translation of his religious speak (GW just uses the world evil).

Consider if he said this (my edits in 'quotes'):

"Today, the time for the 'end' of the 'American Empire' has come and the countdown to the 'end of the concentration of its' power and wealth has started... With the appearance 'a new era of worldwide social justice, America's' tyranny will be soon be eradicated in the world."

If you simply modernize what he's saying it isn't that much different than how much of the rest of the world see's thing...probably even you. Heck, he starts to sound like something between an economist and philosopher. Maybe him and Thomas Friedman should write a book together!

It wasn't that long ago that the Soviet Union was considered evil such to the point that Sting opined that he hoped "the Russians love their children too".

Only way to truly find out....direct talks.

GO OBAMA!!!!

Anonymous said...

The price of gas, future conflict with Iran, it's all here. Watch the video.

http://economicrot.blogspot.com/

Frank@Scottsdale-Sucks.com said...

He's nothing. Obama is head of the Taliban.

Bogof_flyer1 said...

In a sign of how difficult it is to sell new homes in Southern California right now, a San Diego developer is offering a "buy one, get one free" deal, pairing million-dollar homes with less expensive homes.

"We thought, 'Why does it just have to be on Pop Tarts and restaurants? Why not buy one home, get one free,'" Dawn Berry of Michael Crews Development told 10 News in San Diego.

Paul E. Math said...

And check this out: Toll Brothers wants the Federal Government to bail it out.

http://tinyurl.com/45qy4s

Now that is disgusting.

Toll made hay when the sun shone but didn't put enough away for a rainy day. So now they want the government to stimulate demand for housing by giving yet another tax incentive to homebuyers.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

He's in for a big surprise when, as September approaches with our economic system in turmoil, a sudden incident will take place perpetuating WW 3 and the demise of Iran.

and you are joyfully looking forward to this?

JaneZ

xxxooo said...

"And check this out: Toll Brothers wants the Federal Government to bail it out."

it's all a bunch of nonsense since the "9 month bailout, to create urgency" doesn't address the larger problem of musical chairs and what happens after the rebate goes away.

Mammoth said...

Bitterrenter,
I agree with nearly all of your posts, but in saying that "Americans are the craziest people on Earth" is wrong.

This guy wants to take all of us out.

All of us.

And muslims will not be satisfied until every last non-muslim on this earth is dead. Don't you get it yet? These are the real crazies.

Anonymous said...

And muslims will not be satisfied until every last non-muslim on this earth is dead. Don't you get it yet? These are the real crazies.

June 03, 2008 3:06 PM

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No he doesn't get it. Bitter renter is the most obtuse person in the world.

Edgar Alpo said...

Him, Chimpy, Laura, and Mrs. Ahmadinejad should get together and play some bridge. They are all the same.

Anonymous said...

And muslims will not be satisfied until every last non-muslim on this earth is dead. Don't you get it yet? These are the real crazies.

Wow, thanks Mammoth for representing the average dumb American opinion here. It's really incredible that morons like you can get by on a day to day basis. Your comment isn't even worth addressing because it's so stupid.

Anonymous said...

what book did bamma hold his hand on when taking the oath?

keyser soze said...

Brenter - My pops was on Okinawa in 1945, awaiting the invasion of Japan, and since I was born several years later, I can only surmise as to my luck that the war ended so abruptly.

It sounds like the President of Iran is in need of a good romp in the hay. He's tense.

Bitterrenter said...

The Russians were supposed to want us all dead too.

Look at the empirical evidence. What have we done to the world? What has Iran? They've been in a war with Iraq. We've been in non-stop wars all over the world, lately against weaker, less advanced countries. We learned our lesson in Vietnam- It's no fun to lose. So now we wage war against civilians who we think we can destroy.

When we run out of enemies we create a new one so that we have a reason to rally around that stupid piece of cloth with the stars and stripes on it. The enemy du jour is now Iran. Think back throughout our history. There was always an enemy supposedly wanting to destroy us for our freedom. Before muslims there was communists. Before them was Nazis or Japanese or Mexicans or the British, etc etc etc.

It's hard to com to grips with the fact that the country you were born in is simply a fascist state with nicer grocery stores and a more livable way of life. But fascist it is. The burgeoning ignorance makes it easier to remain that way.

edd said...

To Casey Serin:
PLEASE GO AWAY !

Anonymous said...


This guy wants to take all of us out.

All of us.


HAHAHAHAHA

Mammoth... you crack me up... I can barely tell when your being serious or not.

ooooo... watch out for them Ayeranians... them speed boats are gonna GETCHA!

For crying out loud - they don't even have a decent navy.

You do realize that the US has enough nuclear weapons to turn EVERY square inch of the land surface of this planet into ground zero... at least 11 times over?

Think Hiroshima or Nagasaki... now think about that devestation on the entire surface of the planet... 11 times. (The Ruskies can do it 13 times btw - not that it matters since once would be enough to roast every one alive).

At the same time, the US spends more on its Military THAN THE REST OF THE PLANET COMBINED!!!!! Not to mention the fact that over half of the countries of the planet have some sort of American military base.

And you are seriously thinking that any sane person will be afraid of Iran and it's speed boats... but hey... everyone should feel peachy keen when the president of the US starts saying stuff like "God made me do it!"

Mammoth... take a good look at where you live and the people you live with... THEY (and YOU) are the ones who actually have the ability to "take us out" (us being the rest of the planet). What makes you think that THEY (and YOU) won't?

gutless and lazy said...

Substitute "Iran" for "United States" and swap in any high level GOP politician picture instead of Ahmadinejad's, and you get the same speech.

Anonymous said...

"At the same time, the US spends more on its Military THAN THE REST OF THE PLANET COMBINED!!!!!"

I usually don't respond to people who use the word "planet" (or "homeless") because it shows how much their minds are shaped by the MSM, but I just wanted to respond: FALSE! Next...

Anonymous said...

"Until then, the craziest people on Earth will still be the Americans. Committing crazy acts against humanity is much worse than spouting rhetoric." From bitterrenter


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War

These people are so crazy that they don't know when to call it quits in a war... fueds that go back to the Ottoman Empire.... ??? I mean w.t.f. already???? I'll wager you a beer, no make that a twelve pack, that when the U.S. does leave Iraq it will be back to "business as usual" for these two asshat nations... in my humble opinion, these idiots deserve one another... the American response (truly American response and not World Cop wannabe American response) would be to focus on development here, cut our losses as soon as possible and let these assclowns duke it out to the end of eternity if that is what they are inclined to do. There is absolutely nothing "crazier" than a bunch of nutjobs who don't know when to give it up, bury the hatchet and move the f*ck on already.

Anonymous said...

Mammoth... take a good look at where you live and the people you live with... THEY (and YOU) are the ones who actually have the ability to "take us out" (us being the rest of the planet). What makes you think that THEY (and YOU) won't?


The typical fake conservative argument goes like this:

"Well if they get a bomb they could put it in a suitcase and blow up a US city!!!"

Somehow that is supposed to justify the bombing and invasion of a sovereign nation that does not have any capability to attack the US or Israel. Israel has enough nukes to wipe Iran off the face of the Earth. Iran has none.

No matter how far fetched the scenario they cook up there is always an excuse the fake conservatives can invent to demonize the nations they would like to destroy. Most fake conservatives will say the WMDs are in Iraq for f*cks sake!!

The fact of the matter is you can not reason with the fake conservatives. They are so immersed in their own propaganda and warped view of the world that it's like communicating with an inbred hick living in a basement out in the middle of butt-f*ck Egypt with his head up his ass.

Fake conservatives are just a bunch of heartless, weak-minded, cowardly dolts. They don't care how many Iraqi children die as long as they are feeling safer from WMDs. It's ridiculous, they are ridiculous and it's pointless arguing with them.

They don't even know that Israel and the US have been colluding to take over the Middle East for decades. They don't even know that Israel attacked the USS Liberty to bring the US into it's war. They think Israel is a friend of the US!!!

Anonymous said...

Mamooth you are an islamophonic idiot.

To the guy who commented on the Muslim resteraunt...I didn't know Muslim was a cuisine. Muslim is a person who follows the religion of Islam that is the proper definition.

No wonder the neocons can get away with what they do based on you posters. Ahmedinijad is an asshole hated by most of his people but the neocons are by far the more dangerous group to world peace. Wake up and educate yourselves trailor trash.

Anonymous said...

You can't compare the USSR with Iran. The Russians talked a lot of shit. But they weren't nuts. They knew that starting a war with America meant win or lose, they'd both lose.

Iran is run by religious crazies. They don't give a shit if 10 million Iranians die. They think those 10 million will roll up to heaven and have 72 virgins ready.

See the difference?

Anonymous said...

anonymous said . . .

"You know that the US has bombed and killed millions of Iraqis and hundreds of Iraqi children have died due to US bombs and sanctions. You people are just sick.

"When Muslims say they hate America, they're not talking about hating you for your freedom they are talking about US foreign policy. Only the most pig ignorant slack-jawed yokel couldn't understand that."

No, YOU ARE Sick. America hasn't killed millions of anybody (the International Red Cross puts the total casualties in Iraq, including American casualties, at aboput 30 thousand--the vast majority at the hands of Muslim terrorists, many from Iran; contast this with the KNOWN million that Sadam killed).

And many Muslims DO hate us for our freedoms. Witness what they're doing in Europe, trying to change laws to conform to the Koran. How many thousands of beheadings, kidnappings, and suicide bombings have to happen before it dawns on you that these radicals will kill anybody anywhere? You are living in a fantasy of your own making. Imans throughout the world are now calling for the extermination of all homosexuals (what would this be, 500 million people?), and couldn't care less about the politics of those involved.

Muslim radicals are fanatics who would chop your head off in an instant if you DARED to utter a word against their loony prophet or their phony (plagiarized) sacred writings. They do this all the time. You and bitterrenter should go join them if you think their cause is so just. That will never happen, because those who make claims such as you two always manage to do so while hiding behind the very country (the U.S.) they claim to despise.

Do a Google search using "Muslims" or "Islam" + "beheading" and see what you discover. The mass murders of Buddhists, for one thing, and LOTS of videos of your beloved misunderstood Muslims committing them.

You are disgusting, ill-educated, and insane.

Anonymous said...

Do a Google search using "Muslims" or "Islam" + "beheading" and see what you discover. The mass murders of Buddhists, for one thing, and LOTS of videos of your beloved misunderstood Muslims committing them.

You are disgusting, ill-educated, and insane.



You're talking about a minority of religious fanatics. We have them here too - they are called evangelicals. Our religious fanatics also hate gays and would like to impose their religious views on the rest of us too. Should we go out and bomb the evangelicals in the USA too??!!

If you're analysis of Muslims was correct then I would have been killed a long time ago by the many Muslims that live in my community.

Of course there are crazy Muslim fanatics but they are a MINORITY and they are WEAK MILITARILY. They do not have the capacity to bring down America. The only way they can bring down America is by making America waste it's resources on stupid f*cking "wars" like Iraq you dolt!!!

Think of all the money that could have been spent on health, education and infrastructure instead of on this overblown military that is supposed to protect us from religious fanatics living in caves out in BFE.

America is losing it's prosperity and prestige because it's economy is falling apart and it's citizens have become the uneducated, unskilled masses that are losing their jobs to the educated masses from third world countries that have invested in education.

While idiots like you are getting all worked up about the scary radical islamo fascist fanatical threat to America you're being robbed through inflation and high taxation and being fed a constant stream of "terror" bullsh!t from the mainstream media.

Anonymous said...

I think he needs to be put in Guatnamo along with George Bush. They will make a good cell mates.

Anonymous said...

"At the same time, the US spends more on its Military THAN THE REST OF THE PLANET COMBINED!!!!!"

I usually don't respond to people who use the word "planet" (or "homeless") because it shows how much their minds are shaped by the MSM, but I just wanted to respond: FALSE! Next...


Hey... crap for brains... why don't you google 'military spending' next time before you open your stupid trap.

You'll look a little smarter - trust me!

http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsTrade/Spending.asp

Go to the middle of the page where you'll see that the US spends 48% of the world's military expenditure.

This is BEFORE the black-ops.

So exactly what was your mind shaped by?

Anonymous said...

I'll wager you a beer, no make that a twelve pack, that when the U.S. does leave Iraq it will be back to "business as usual" for these two asshat nations...

What the hell does it matter what YOUR asshat nation thinks about these other asshat nations? Would I care what the Russian asshats think about these asshats? What about the British or French asshats? Why don't you pick up your asshat and stick it back in your own asshat and leave the other asshats alone! PERMANENTLY!

Thank you very much!

Anonymous said...

Yeah, that's right. The world is as simple as this - the USA is Good and the Muslim World is Evil.

So what's this all about then people:

Mossad and 9/11

What are these reports about dancing Israelis, trucks with explosives, a truck that exploded, occupants of truck arrested, truck with a mural of a plane hitting New York city...

What happened to these reports? They just kind of disappeared into the memory hole didn't they?

It seems nobody even has the balls here to discuss these glaring questions about 9/11 in an intelligent manner.

And yet 9/11 IS AT THE VERY CORE OF US FOREIGN POLICY TODAY.

Where is Osama Bin Laden? You're telling me that all the trillions of dollars poured into the US defense and intelligence agencies couldn't find this guy INSTANTLY??!! You've got to be f*ckin kidding me.

The silence is deafening..

Anonymous said...

You can't compare the USSR with Iran. The Russians talked a lot of shit. But they weren't nuts. They knew that starting a war with America meant win or lose, they'd both lose.

You're joking right?

Brezhnev was actually looking at a first strike scenario... and believe it or not Nixon stopped him. He started acting crazy enough around the Russian diplomats that the Ruskies started getting scared that the US might actually strike first. This caused them to back down.

At the same time - the USSR had over 10000 nuclear wareheads - enough to turn the US into a green sheet of glass at least twice over.

How the HECK can you even think Iran poses a threat as compared to the USSR?

Iran is run by religious crazies. They don't give a shit if 10 million Iranians die. They think those 10 million will roll up to heaven and have 72 virgins ready.

Riiiiight.... you do realize that the US has 8000 warheads already loaded onto intercontinental balistic missles right? Never mind the seven Aircraft carrier groups patrolling the oceans.

And you think that a country of 80 million people with no warheads and some speedboats is a threat?

See the difference?

You are an insane coward!

Anonymous said...

http://www.globalissues.org
/Geopolitics/ArmsTrade
/Spending.asp

Didn't print nicely - here's the shorter form:

http://tinyurl.com/636wh

James said...

I can't believe you "bomb them into the stone age" posters don't see the irony in your posts. You claim HE is the crazy one, while you are advocating preemptive genocide????

I guess the only way we can truly be safe is to bomb everyone, you never know who might turn out to be a threat down the road.

Its amazing how many people in this country are pathologically insecure.

Anonymous said...

He's going to get voted out soon. More than what you can say about bush.

Bitterrenter said...

Someone said:

You're talking about a minority of religious fanatics. We have them here too - they are called evangelicals. Our religious fanatics also hate gays and would like to impose their religious views on the rest of us too. Should we go out and bomb the evangelicals in the USA too??!!

Personally, I'd like to see that. If someone took out just 15,000 evangelicals, half of the number of civilians killed in Iraq it would be interesting to see how cavalier American fascists would be about that 30,000 we killed.

What an appalling culture of miscreants. How you can justify your savagery while you gorge yourselves on too much shitty food and way more than your fair share of the earth's resources. You're pigs is so many senses of the word.

I'm ashamed to share a land mass with over half of you.

Yoski said...

"This guy is just itching to start World War III and is a danger to the whole world.

He needs to be taken out - period."

Are you talking about Bush or that Iranian nut?

deepcgi said...

America-haters. You know who you are. You call this a fascist nation. Ask yourself if you believe we target innocent civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan. Ask yourself who puts children in harms way, the insurgent who hides weapons at a school - or the soldier who searches the school for weapons. Ask yourself which was more evil, the UN Sanctions against Iraq, or the French, German and Russian businesses violating the Oil-for-food agreements. Ask yourself, if America had a right to invade Iraq after Saddam violated the Persian Gulf War Cease Fire agreement over 150 times. Ask yourself if you truly believe there will not be a smooth transition of power after election day this year. Ask yourself what you would do the day after a WMD is detonated in Manhattan. If you don't consider that a real possibility, you are a fool. If Obama believes anything Iran says in negotiation, they will think he's a fool. If he wholesale backs us out of Iraq, they will consider him a weak target - and they will continue to fund terrorist organizations that attack American interests.

Finally, ask yourself which foreign policy option you would support with a militant enemy - appeasement, supporting and arming rebels who would overthrow them, sanctions, or invasion. If we pass sanctions, the French, Chinese, Germans and Russians violate the agreement - under the table. If we arm the rebels, we create Osamas, Sadams, and Contras. If we invade, you scream we are fascists. Your only option is appeasement. The pacifist calls it peace, but he is only lying down in front of his enemy. The bold and heartless one will be the victor. Obama, like Jimmy Carter, will negotiate with the enemy, and the enemy will consider him a weak fool.

General Electric said...

I hope this prime example of middle eastern inbreeding follows through and sets off a few North Korean WMD's to wake up the neighborhood. Toops and special ops are standing ready and willing to address the need for population control, one Islmo-fascist at a time or, if you would like, all at once in a wonderful display of high energy physics.

deepcgi said...

bitterrenter, I must call you on this. Your left-wing moral equivalency garbage is truly evil. In America, when religious zealots started blowing up abortion clinics and threatening doctors, we locked them up. Even pro-life Christians sat on juries and convicted those crazy few on charges of terrorism.

The same is not true of our present enemy.

And you CAN blame Iran for the death of Iraqi children. In fact, Iran is supplying the insurgents with weapons, money and training. But unlike the US-sponsored Iraqi police force, the insurgents don't wear uniforms or badges. They don't store their weapons in military depots far away from civilian areas. And they do create roadside bombs that indiscriminately kill innocent people.

American's are committing crazy acts against humanity?

The Persian Gulf War (supported by the UN, of course) ended with a cease-fire. The cease-fire agreement created a no-fly zone between Iraq and Kuwait and Saudi Arabia (as well as in the north). It also stated that the cease-fire would remain in effect only if those zones were not violated, or the peace-keeping forces occupying surrounding areas were not fired upon. Saddam Hussein violated the cease-fire agreement over one hundred and fifty times. He flew airplanes into the no fly zones regularly, fired missiles at US military bases (not French, German Swiss or Spanish Bases, but American) and engaged our fighter planes over other restricted areas.

We didn't need proof of WMDs to invade Iraq. He had already violated the cease-fire agreement! That is so important, I'm going to type it again. Saddam had already violated the cease-fire agreement. At any time, we had the legal right to stomp on his head. Likewise, the French, Russians and German companies that violated the oil-for-food protocols are guilty of escalating the tensions between our troops and Iraq's. Saddam had already violated the Persian Gulf War Cease Fire Agreement. Don't dare make a moral-equivalency argument about "crazy acts against humanity" in light of these facts.

Iran is killing Iraqi children and you don't care. Deal with that fact, first.

Anonymous said...

Ah bitterrenter, poor soul.

Your writing is sanctimonious, self-serving and filled with effortlessly arrived-at half-truths and whimsey.

Your posts are little more than tirades of hypocrisy, ad hominem attacks, false analogies, special pleadings, appeals to emotion and other forms of fallacy.

These things combine to render your arguments completely ineffectual, facile and puerile.

Relax, take a break from it all ... you do not have control over anything in this world, not even your own life (I would wager) ... and one such as yourself never truly will.

Anonymous said...

obama can talk him out of it! one meeting with hussien and he will see the light!

Anonymous said...

"At the same time, the US spends more on its Military THAN THE REST OF THE PLANET COMBINED!!!!!"
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yea, but china is catching up! i bet they would out spend us if they paid their troops a living wage. Plus they get stuff that is "made in china" a lot cheaper than we get it here.

bitterrenter said...

No surprise that idiots like deepcgi can justify the savagery they support with wild-eyed "what if" scenarios.

"What if a nuke was detonated in Manhattan?" deepcgi asks as she quakes in her high-heeled pumps. Well, if that did happen I would suspect a right wing American before a muslim. But why not simply go out and kill everyone else ein the world? That way, people like you would feel safe again. But wait, then you'd just find an internal enemy to fear and loathe. It's how you people live your whole miserable lives. I only wish you and yours could experience the loss of those in Iraq whose lives we've destroyed.

And to the miscreant who believes himself a master of the put down: Attacking the messenger is so 1990s. It's why conservatism is dying and why republicans are the ones who don't control shit, despite being elected to a shrinking number of political offices.

Anonymous said...

"You're talking about a minority of religious fanatics. We have them here too - they are called evangelicals. Our religious fanatics also hate gays and would like to impose their religious views on the rest of us too. Should we go out and bomb the evangelicals in the USA too??!!"

Say what you will but last time I checked, we don't do a public stoning for the half time show entertainment segment of the Super Bowl... Our half-time show does blow from time to time but you know, at least for the moment we don't trot out some gay or two timing woman and throw rocks at him/her until they are nothing but a bloody pulp. Yeah, yeah, I know the U.S. has had its fair share of public executions but we at least modify our behavior over time...

That's why these dudes can't get over blood fueds that go back to 1400.

Anonymous said...

"At the same time, the US spends more on its Military THAN THE REST OF THE PLANET COMBINED!!!!!"
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yea, but china is catching up! i bet they would out spend us if they paid their troops a living wage. Plus they get stuff that is "made in china" a lot cheaper than we get it here.


China has 1.3 Billion people while the US has 300 million - in other words China outnumbers the US nearly 5 to 1. Do you think the Chinese will ever spend 5 times more on their military than the US would?

That would be about 4 trillion dollars a year.

Ain't gonna happen any time soon will it?

Anonymous said...

That is so important, I'm going to type it again. Saddam had already violated the cease-fire agreement. At any time, we had the legal right to stomp on his head.

But you justified your invasion based on weapons of mass destruction... which was a lie.

Is it maybe because the violations temselves really didn't justify a full scale invasion for oil?

Especially when your biggest ally in the region violated even more?

Or are you just too myopic to see your own hypocrisy?

Anonymous said...

Say what you will but last time I checked, we don't do a public stoning for the half time show entertainment segment of the Super Bowl... Our half-time show does blow from time to time but you know, at least for the moment we don't trot out some gay or two timing woman and throw rocks at him/her until they are nothing but a bloody pulp. Yeah, yeah, I know the U.S. has had its fair share of public executions but we at least modify our behavior over time...


Like I said before you fake conservatives can dig up any excuse to bomb and invade a sovereign nation.

Nobody here is saying that Iran is a model of the perfect society. Of course it's not!

The point we're making is that preemptive and even nuclear war against a nation that has no prospects of threatening the USA is completely unjustified. War should *always* be a last resort because no matter what you think of how evil Muslims are the truth of the matter is that the majority of Iranians are not evil people intent on destroying America and yet they would be the people to suffer from the bombs and nuclear weapons of the USA.

This is so basic that I should not need to explain it to you.

War is genocide, OK? The same people that constantly remind us of the holocaust are the one's that are now demonizing the Muslim world and advocating the genocide of Muslims. If you can't smell the hypocrisy here then you are a f*cking idiot.

I would also ask you to look into the influence that Israel has over US foreign policy and see how that influence has had a more damaging effect to the USA than Iran has.

Here are a few places to start:

AIPAC and Presidential Pandering to Israel

BBC : Israel Attacks the USS Liberty

Mossad and 911

deepcgi said...

It's nice to see that you all understand now that the war was not a "violation of international law". Will wonders never cease? Now, do you see the hypocrisy of the French, Russians and Germans? You remember them, right? The ones that offered peace-keeping troops in the region after the cease-fire, but we're funneling money to Saddam for oil and services on the side. Which is the reason why Saddam only attacked Americans when he chose to violate the agreement. They were also the ones that verified his WMD stashes for the UN - along with the CIA. If GWB was pure evil, why didn't he falsely plant WMDs in Iraq for us to find? Why would he say that the 911 hijackers were Saudis instead of Iraqis or Palestinians? Why would he promise to turn over all peace-keeping to the new Iraqi Police. My argument isn't about GWB being a great human being, he looks like an absolutely arrogant sob. It's about moral equivalency arguments by self-loathing leftists who hate America. Look on the bright side, Obama is socialist, he'll kill the American dream for all of us.

Anonymous said...

you know, at least for the moment we don't trot out some gay or two timing woman and throw rocks at him/her until they are nothing but a bloody pulp. Yeah, yeah, I know the U.S. has had its fair share of public executions but we at least modify our behavior over time...

Granted - you are partially correct on this.

But you should also understand that the whole planet doesn't progress at the same rate and in the same way as your country does. And why should it?

Do you expect the natives who live in the jungles of South America to look at life the same way you do? Of course not... and it doesn't matter how many WAL marts you put around them.

Do you think that all of the Aboriginees of Australia are going to save all their pennies so that they can go buy a new pair of Nike's at the downtown Sydney mall?

Maybe the French will give up on cooking and all will start eating at McDonalds?

Do you also realize that most Europeans view the death penalty in the US as barbaric - and they look at you in the same way as you look at the public stonings? How come it's ok for you to have the death penalty, but public stoning is not ok? Maybe BOTH should be looked at as wrong?

Most people don't even understand the average American's obsession with guns.

But hey... different strokes for different folks right? And if you want respect for how you run your country - you should probably respect how others run theirs. And just as you don't expect interference in your internal politics - maybe you shouldn't interfere in the domestic policy of others.

Or what... do you think that you have a God given right to tell everyone else how they must live their lives?

It's up to you - but I generally treat others the way I would like to be treated.

deepcgi said...

The evil of terrorism comes from our fear to fight when they hide behind children. The Muslim world is tolerating their crazy few. Remember my abortion clinic bombing example? They don't degrade them or lock them up. They don't dissuade them from hiding behind children. That is not a culture growing to become more civilized with time. Muslims and Jews lived peacefully together for centuries in the Middle East. This level hatred is new. Encouraging young people to martyr themselves in order to kill civilians is also new - with the advent of mass media, in my opinion.

The liberal playbook is teaching you that European culture is sophisticated and progressive and superior to our own. If you read as much about Europe from the source as you want us to believe, you'd realize France is having Muslim rioting in the streets - and that they've elected a conservative as Prime Minister.
I happen to agree that preemptive war is wrong. I wouldn't have done it. But the Persian Gulf War was not preemptive, and neither was the war in Afghanistan, or the Balkans for that matter.

The problem with the idealism of the left is that the enemy knows if he hides behind the children, the enemy is helpless. If the UN passes sanctions to avert war, the French, Russians, Germans and Chinese will sneak them money anyway.

I know the truly evil act is when you target civilians, hide your weapons with civilians, and fight from behind women and children. If our government is doing that, show me the evidence and I'll take to the streets with it. For now, however, I know, for a fact, that the insurgents in Iraq are guilty of that evil.

The enemy knows that you will blame America when they hide behind the children. Bow down and face the east. You've lost.

bitterrenter said...

not-so-deepcgi:

The American Dream has been severely tarnished by the neglect of 30 years of conservatism and free-market policies. Just like the last times we let conservatives rule, it has put a huge dent in capitalism.

That's why you have what you do and the affluence to even own a computer- the socialist policies put in place by LIBERALS made it possible Otherwise it's doubtful you'd even have indoor plumbing.

But I have no illusions that a person who can justify American savagery would even be able to comprehend such concepts.

bitterrenter said...

Please not-so-deepcgi, you don't give a shit about children. If you did you wouldn't be so cavalier about all the children your precious fascist troops have killed in Iraq and elsewhere.

And I'd bet my last dollar you applaud the dropping of the bomb on Japan which killed hundreds of thousands of women AND children.

For that America deserves 10,000 9/11s.

Albert said...

Top Ten Signs You're a Smart Fundamentalist Christian




10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

God Bless Conservative America

Reality said...

"That's why you have what you do and the affluence to even own a computer- the socialist policies put in place by LIBERALS made it possible."

Funny you brought up the computer, considering that Cuba only allowed its citizens to own personal computers this year! some three decades after Apple, the quitessential capitalist free-market entreprenurial company, brought the personal computer to Americans.

Try this link:

http://mises.org/story/2982

Anonymous said...

What is the original source or link for the speech

Thank you very much

Anonymous said...

"But hey... different strokes for different folks right? And if you want respect for how you run your country - you should probably respect how others run theirs. And just as you don't expect interference in your internal politics - maybe you shouldn't interfere in the domestic policy of others."


That is exactly my point sir, different strokes for different folks. Go back and read my original post. The truly American Way is to mind your own business and not try to play world cop. Do I personally have a condescending view of some of the practices in the M.E. Yeah, I do. No, I don't think I should force feed my belief system or practices on other people... they can live whatever way the choose to live and if that includes going to war with their neighboring countries for 600 years over sh*t that happened during THE OTTOMAN EMPIRE, then by all means, go for it Abdul. Yeah, my personal belief is that it is crazier than bat sh*t but that opinion and 50 cents will get you a cup of coffee


That is the way a lot of Americans do think and we try to change things via support for people like Ron Paul but it is swimming upstream sometimes. What Ron Paul could not accomplish, the invisible hand of economics is going to enforce and I don't think it will be as gentle as Ron Paul. This country is going to go back to living within its own hemisphere because it has to and those dudes in the M.E. can go back to gassing one another and feeding each other through a wood chipper over sh*t that happened a long time ago... as far as I'm concerned, if they are busy bashing each other over Ottoman Empire sh*t and the greviences they have over "you say tomato and I say to-muh-to" - "you say Shia and I say Sunni" then great, I would be happier than an infidel pig in slop to see that happen.

As for the USA obtaining the respect of other countries (especially in that part of the world), as far as I'm concerned they can jam it up their asses. The USA should focus its attention on helping to develop nations in this hemisphere like Brazil, Argentina, etc. and tell the M.E. to go drink its oil if it gets hungry.

And also, do you really think that O.P.E.C. is not meddling in the domestic policies of the USA when it artificially fu*ks around with the price of crude oil? If you don't believe that they are trying to influence the domestic policies here then you are as dumb as a rock... make that the Miraaj rock. Assclown.

Bitterrenter said...

Reality,

Like a lot of our technology, the basis for the personal computer came from research the GOVERNMENT paid for through the defense program. The money was collected (collectivist?) from all of us and used to create products that made our lives better.

The biggest evidence of our socialist basis is in three economic areas: agriculture, medicine and defense, the three where America dominates. Not coincidentally those are also the areas where we devoted the most public spending. Agriculture in the first 100 years, medicine and defense more in the second.

And again, if not for socialistic policies, most of you wouldn't have indoor plumbing or potable water.

deepcgi said...

Read this and watch how all of your left wing assumptions about me were wrong. First of all, I don't know whether there is a god or not. From my point of view, the truth of the question is irrelevant. Liberals are wrong to think that atheism naturally leads intellectuals away from being conservative. I don't care what god thinks.

I don't need to expose your socialist tendencies anymore, you came right out and admitted it. Also admit that democrats, by nominating the farthest left candidate possible, are no longer "progressive" but quite proudly "socialist". There is nothing "new and progressive" about that philosophy.

You've also all but admitted that if your enemy hides behind grandma that you will give in to his demands. Not the best way to defend your interests.

As far as dropping the bomb on Japan, I lived in a small farming town called Isahaya in Nagasaki prefecture for a year - and have friends whose parents and grandparents where there the day we dropped the bomb. You would be very surprised to hear who most of THEM blame for that disaster. Hint, it isn't America.

If I had been president at the time, I would have first detonated Little Boy far out in Tokyo Harbor, like Oppenheimer suggested - since all of the films and data we sent them failed to impress the emperor.

My entire argument with you is over the left continually spouting of hatred of America and its past. No country in history, when winning such decisive victories in war as we did in Germany and Japan, has given the country back to its native inhabitants. Any other country at any other time in history, had they been in our position in World War 2, would have annexed and occupied those countries permanently. The Germans and Japanese would have entirely lost those nations and their resources to us and they would have been speaking another language compulsively. We gave them back their countries and their culture and resumed trade with them within the same generation. We will do likewise in Iraq, regardless of GWB's reckless blunder.

Anonymous said...

It's nice to see that you all understand now that the war was not a "violation of international law". Will wonders never cease?

Actually it was a war crime because it was neither approved by the UN nor was it in response to anything that Saddam might have done. It was specific to making Saddam give up his WMD which he did not have and which IAEA said he did not have.

I happen to agree that preemptive war is wrong. I wouldn't have done it. But the Persian Gulf War was not preemptive, and neither was the war in Afghanistan, or the Balkans for that matter.


Attacks against Afghanistan and the Balkans were approved by the UN - the second war with Iraq wasn't.

Therefore - it's a war crime.

Reality said...

deepcgi,

Fighting in an unsportly manner isn't exactly new. British redcoats bitterly complained about the the colonists doing the same thing. The best decision that the British government ever made regarding the American War of Independence was coming to terms with the colonies on the assumption that the Brits would benefit just as much by trading with the colonies as equals instead of being the "mother country." We can get oil from the middleast without fighting any war or exerting any control there. Even Ayatollah Komeini contined to sell oil to the West even as he held US embassy staff hostage.

Yes, much of what Islamic fundamentalists preach are benighted rubbish. However, the same can be said of early Christians compared to the great scientific and cultural achievements of Greeko-Roman Classics. Yet, the tremendous length and expense that the Roman state went into suppressing Christianity, only served to delegitimize the state through its own abuses, and to legitimize the religion. Considering that the eastern cult of Christianity did succeed in conquring the West, it would not surprise me if Islam manage to conqure the West too if the government keep on suppressing it and turning the western pluralist society into some sort of Oriental Despotism, where all those absolutist cults thrive.

Anonymous said...

I know the truly evil act is when you target civilians, hide your weapons with civilians, and fight from behind women and children.

What exactly do you expect them to do? These are people who are living with their families in the city which you just invaded and are defending their homes.

Do you expect them to all walk out into an open field and let you blow them to smithereens?

The question you should be asking yourself is why are you OCCUPYING a city full of people that don't want you there.

This makes you an OCCUPIER. Or a WAR CRIMINAL if you prefer.

Get the F!K out of other peoples homes, cities and countries you empire building goon!

I can't believe the chutzpah... blaming people for defending their children from those who are doing the invading and bombing those same children! Do you even think before you write?

Anonymous said...

I would take this guys opinion over the opinion of any one of these stupid, islamophobic, irrational, fake conservative idiots any f*cking day of the week:

Iraq Vet on 9/11, Iraq and the War on Terror

deepcgi said...

DEFENDING THEIR CHILDREN? WHAT????? They are not standing in front of their children while we shoot, they are hiding their weapons in the schools and in the hospitals.

Most of the insurgents in Iraq are not Iraqi and do not have children in Iraq. Also, most Iraqi casualties are from insurgent bombs - with most of the recent high yield weapons being of Iranian manufacture. Schools, Hospitals, Mosques, Public Shopping areas, and dense residential areas are the preferred locations for storing weapons, leaving IEDs and attacking American troops - which normally cannot fire back in such incidents.

Benjamin Franklin wrote at length attacking fallacies about the nature of battle in the Revolutionary War. The Brits didn't like the fact that Americans didn't have military uniforms when the fighting first began, and yet military uniforms were disallowed by British law. Ironic that. Also, American troops signed formal conscription papers, were assigned divisions and regiments, and were regularly deployed in wilderness areas. The argument is ridiculous. Remember what happened at Valley Forge with respect to uniforms and deploying troops away from civilian areas? America stood up and declared its independence, elected officials that had death warrants sworn against them in England instantly, made uniforms and fought head to head on the battlefield with the Brits. Moral Equivalency comparisons anyone?

In the Revolutionary War, Americans would leave noblemen alone in their homes to yell at them out of their windows, provided they didn't take up arms against them. Care to test the integrity of the Iraqi insurgents that way?

The insurgents target Iraqi security forces, Iraqi policeman, Iraqi doctors and Iraqi engineers. Are those Iraqis threatening their homes. We drop leaflets and run television and radio ads before searching civilian areas. Not exactly effective goonish empire building is it? We spend 110 Billion dollars rebuilding Iraqi infrastructure, schools, hospitals,and government facilities
and the US oil companies are paying the same OPEC prices for Iraqi oil as they do everywhere else. Not exactly a rape of their natural resources is it?

You hate America. Not just what America is today, but what America has always been. And left wingers wonder why conservatives feel they are unpatriotic.

Obama made comments this week about protecting Israel's independence at all costs that you would call goonish if George Bush had said it.

Let's be clear. You feel it's o.k for the insurgents to hide their weapons in schools and hospitals. That they have no choice but to fight in market squares and public shopping areas. To leave IEDs out where children can trigger them. And you feel that when women and children are killed because of these actions that the insurgents are not at fault. And that you see no difference between people who target civilians and people who don't. THAT is the true crime.

Bitterrenter said...

Wow, a vanquished people blame themselves for losing a war? Who would have thunk it?

Did you ask the Japanese who blamed themselves for their being nuked why they hated their country? Oh, that's right. We WANT other people to hate their countries.

I don't care that America rebuilt Japan and Germany after the war. I also don't believe we are the first to have aided a defeated opponent. But of course you prideful Americans think that the sun rises and sets on your actions, that no civilization before or none after will be as great. How naive.

Not only was the nuking of Japan the most heinous crime ever committed by one country against another, it is the tip of the iceberg of America's sins. Not the least of which is the arming of the world and the creation of friction when it suits us.

How convenient of you to brush off the hundreds of thousands of WOMEN AND CHILDREN we cooked in Japan. Most of the men were off fighting a war. There's also plenty of evidence that Japan was close to surrendering. Books have been written about that. But we decided that genocide was more fun.

Ironic that the only country to ever use nukes is so preoccupied with others getting a hold of them.

deepcgi said...

Bitter, were you conceived at Woodstock or the isle of Wight Festival?