Here's mine:
* Doesn't believe in the Big Bang or evolution
* Doesn't believe in the Big Bang or evolution
* Doesn't understand global warming science
* Supports George Bush no matter what he does
* Doesn't think Social Security has problems
* Only watches Fox News
* Only watches Fox News
* Didn't think there was a housing bubble
* Bought Phoenix investment property in 2005
'Nuff said.
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Did you know the Big Bang Theory is only a theory? You do know there is a difference between a scientific theory and law, right? Stick with housing to hide your ignorance in other areas
* Doesn't believe in the Big Bang or evolution. A lot of people don't because it doesn't jive with religion.
* Doesn't understand global warming science. Hardly anyone understands global warming science. Most people think that global warming is caused by elevated levels of CO2.
* Supports George Bush no matter what he does. Even the dumbest Republicans are parting ways with Dumbya.
* Doesn't think Social Security has problems. SS is being paid today isn't it? There must not be a problem.
* Only watches Fox News. I watch Fox "news" on the rare occasion that I need some fair and balanced news.
* Didn't think there was a housing bubble. Gotta love a good bubble.
* Bought Phoenix investment property in 2005. Ouch!
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Me
for not buying gold at $250
or silver at $5
and a hell of alot of it!
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The dumbest person I know:
Believes Ron Paul has a chance in Hell of getting the nomination.
Believe that higher taxes will help the economy.
Believes that we should give amnesty to Illegal criminal border crossers.
Believes that global warming can be aleviated by selling carbon credits.
Believes that free health care is free.
Believes the MSM.
Bought houses to flip after 2005.
Invested in hedge funds backed by subprime loans.
Thinks that the Democrats will make things better.
Thinks that running away from Iraq will solve Terrorism.
The dumbest person is the one who thinks he knows somthing or thinks he can't be fooled.
Key Keith..
I don't appreciate your list of someone who doesn't believe in the big bang/evolutionary dribble as dumb.
I believe in God & Jesus Christ as the son of God who created our world and vast universe. So this makes me dumb? You need to look at yourself in the mirror.. before listing that as a criteria.
And no.. dude.. I don't fucking suppport Bush and his criminal gangs. Don't make the assumption that I do because I believe in Jesus Christ. We are not a homogenous group and Jerry & Pat don't speak for the vast Christians out there. These guys are fanatics who use Christianity to disguise their fascist/warmongering ideals.
I'm a bubble head since 2005 and been shorting homebuilders, mortgage companies, buying gold and oil...
I'm also a reader of HP since late 2005 when the bubble heads were ridiculed and Gary issued his 15% in the bag prediction here in SoCal.
Believing in God & Jesus Christ as the creator of the universe is not dumb.
Believing in Darwing theory on evolution and drawing conclusions that man came from a single cell organism over billions of years is fantasy at best and stupidity at worst.
I'm you want to discuss about this issue, I'm open. Just say when.
Ooohhhh, this will be a fun thread
HP is about opening your minds, thinking a different way, challenging your beliefs
And here's one for you - the bible and the big bang and evoloution are not in conflict. Read it again.
And here's another one - science is not your enemy. Science in many ways shows god at work.
Now buying Phoenix investment property in 2005, that's just plain dumb. We can all agree on that one right?
Fundamentalist Christians are as ignorant as Islamic jihadists, both forms of brain washing on a grand scale
Just like the housing bubble!
I know a PhD in microbiology who doesn't believe in evolution.
May I please know your scientific credentials, Keith?
Most people find a view they prefer, and rationalize it later.
Stick to housing, something you know and understand. I will not listen to any blather from anyone holding less that a Doctorate on such issues.
Ignorance.
Evolution is a theory, and has only been 'proven' to those predisposed to believe it.
The standard of proof used in evolutionary arguments is significantly lower than in any other branch of scientific research.
Evolutionists are operating in the intellectual equity tranche. High yield, but no substance.
Count me in as one of the idiots as I think global warming is a giant fraud based on the assumption that resources are "fixed" and that there are too many people chasing too few resources. The idea behind global warming is to "cull" the human herd.
The hoax originates with the British Monarchy - Prince Phillip etc.
I believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster created all. He giveth me my red sauce and delivers me from clams.
Global warming is not man-made.
Evolution can only work without mutations; natural selection isn't enough.
Another myth: Las Vegas will always be popular.
You do know that it was a priest who came up with the Theory of the Big Bang. The Catholic Church has no problem with the Big Bang or Evolution. "Georges Lemaître, a Belgian Roman Catholic priest, predicted that the recession of the nebulae was due to the expansion of the universe. In 1931 Lemaître went further and suggested that the universe began as a simple "primeval atom", echoing previous speculations about the cosmic egg origin of the universe." Lemaître, using Einsteins Theory of Relativity and Hubble's findings on an expanding universe led him to convince the two that there was a Big Bang.
We are aware that the "science" was amended recently, and the 5 out of the 10 hottest years (including 1934 as #1) happened in the 1930's, right?
To the anti-intellectual "brainwashed" who post on this site,
please step out of your box and read:
The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchens and Women Without Superstition, No Gods No Masters.
LOL @ Sheeple again!!!
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Brainwashing!
Will you bet your eternity on it?
john 3:16
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"And here's one for you - the bible and the big bang and evoloution are not in conflict. Read it again."
Bible and Big Bang -- probably not.
Bible and evolution -- definitely.
Evolution between species has not ever been proven. Adam was not a monkey; not all primates are required to have a common ancestor.
Actually, if Adam evolved from anything, it was a pile of slime mold.
anonymous @5:13pm,
Do you know the difference between a theory and a law?
Hint, it has nothing to do with whether they are actually perfectly correct. You know that "Newton's Laws of Motion" have been shown to not be correct many many years ago an yet are still called laws, right?
"I believe in God & Jesus Christ as the son of God who created our world and vast universe. So this makes me dumb?"
Jesus will not save you from a housing crash.
Why did god create all those crack babies anyway?
Religion is the root of all evil, a precursor for war and is based on superstition. Christianity is unaccountability for one's own beingness based on a supernatural god creature.
Heavan: brain-dead, moronic,
right wing christian
nutjobs.
Hell: brain-dead, moronic,
right wing christian
nutjobs, WHO CAN"T FOLLOW
TEN SIMPLE RULES!
Oh dear GOD! please tell me that there's a door #3
you could still make money in PHX real estate (even buying in $hitholes like Queen Creek) in early '05 as long as you got out in mid to late '05 or early '06 in some cases. i bought a house in east mesa for $200K in may '05 and sold in aug'05 for $250K. another house i bought in QC in dec'04 and sold in jan'06 for $65K gain. buying in 2006 is a different story.
people who actually think there is a god looking after your sorry asses.
yep god will sort everything out after you die..amazing
lol
Greg f-ing Swan-dive. I guess I don't know him personally so he's more like the dumbest guy I've ever heard of.
Well, now that we're on the subject, I'm starting to think about TCDL and his old underling Lawrence Yun. There's a couple of real rocket surgeons. "We've reached bottom now and this should start to pick up in the next month or 2. Or 200." - TCDL and Yun in unison, every month as soon as their skewed sales and median price numbers come out. Not sure which is dumber - it's just too close to call.
Oh yeah, and Kendra 'bubbles are for bathtubs' Todd.
Below, RENT says,"I believe in God & Jesus Christ as the son of God who created our world and vast universe........"
"And no.. dude.. I don't fucking suppport Bush and his criminal gangs. Don't make......"
Something about the use of "fucking" a single sentance after declaring your religions beliefs. (while I applause your aversion to the "Bush Gang".
I wish you and I the freedom to beleive or not, BUT, does it not remind anyone other than myself of Larry Craig, or Mark Foley?
What I'm saying is this: if you profess Jesus, it would be more credible to not drop "F" bombs in the next line, and if you've got a thing for anonomous-sex in a public-men's room, then don't join a club or charter who's charter is to "hate people who have anonomous sex in a public men's room".
It is too bad that a thread like this can sour what is an otherwise great blog to read...
Keith... if you believe that mankind is mainly responsible for global warming than you are as naive as those who got suckered into the housing bubble. I suggest that you watch the "Great Global Warming Swindle" which can be found on YouTube. Not everything in that movie is rock solid, but much of it is, and it provides a different perspective that has made many smart people global warming skeptics.
If you believe in the Big Bang, then you may as well believe in Judeo Christianity. I am a Christian, and I would not be surprised if someday the Big Bang is proved to be correct, but there are plenty of well respected detractors of the Big Bang who have good reasons for being skeptical.
THE DUMBEST PERSON I KNOW :-
Believes that Global warming is caused by people - it can never be a natural event tied to the solar cycle - gotta feed that guilt trip, Al gore is a saint who just happens to make millions from carbon trading
Reads only Housing bear sites/bloggs - if u only read negative opinions, you surely miss the next housing boom
- Uncle Ben this week guaranteed it
Believes that housing is going to decline to 1999 prices - NEVER will happen, since the American banking system will collapse - Who will lend you the money?
Believes that GOLD is actually money. THIS really is the dumbest.
HOW did gold protect you in the 80s/ 90S when inflation went up every year?
Phoenix may be overpriced, but people would rather be poor in the sun, than be poor in Detroit etc
Evolution is a fact, as are most of the observations that support the big bang theory, ie the Red shift and the expanding universe.
It does not mean that a higher power (God) did not create the Big Bang or evolution. Evolution has been observed in the laboratory, therefore it is fact.
Global warming isn't a slam-dunk either. Plenty of intelligent scientists get "blacklisted" and exiled for trying to speak the truth that Global Warming is a bunch of bunk.
"Carbon Credit trading" and global warming is just another means of controlling individuals and businesses. Think about it.
P.S. Any scientist who says that global warming is responsible for recent weather, etc. is not being a scientist. There is no proof. It is more likely a natural cycle having to do with the sun, etc. than any CO2 emmisions.
Nevertheless, I believe we need to be less wasteful, more natural.
Unfortunately, many people use the colloquial definition of a “theory”, and think that it is the same as the Scientific definition. Sorry, but it is not. A Scientific Theory IS NOT “just a guess”. Not by a long shot.
A Scientific Theory is an explanation that Science has determined BEST explains ALL of the evidence. A Scientific Law is just a way of saying that a Theory has survived for a very long time without needing modification, because it has survived all of the challenges leveled against it. A Scientific Law IS STILL “just a Theory”.
Even the “Law of Gravity” is just a Theory, and there are several new explanations being developed that just might completely rewrite how we understand Gravity. Does this make our understanding of Gravity wrong? Will we all float off this planet in short order? No. It simply means that our understanding may be incomplete, and that our explanation of it may require more detail in order to account for all of its effects.
Keith likes to tie in his anti-Christian views to the housing bubble every now and again.
Then the brainwashed, group-think liberals from moveon.crap come over here and post about how Christians are dumb and just like terrorists. All because the MSM told them that all Christians are Republicans. They have no clue who their enemy is - they just need someone to hate.
Rent, don't worry. It's better to be an independent thinker (i.e. mixed views on religion and science), than be part of a group-think black hole. And Keith keep up the good work! Still a reader...
Spoke with a girl I know in Seattle.
Told her about the housing bubble.
She compared it to religion saying that was just a "belief"
I told her now is not the time to buy.
Her response...
"But I want granite counters"
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true story
For anyone that doesn't believe in evolution, if they end up in the hospital with an infection, I say give them penicillin. Clearly if living things (like pathogenic bacteria) don't evolve, they should be fine with good 'ole penicillin and shouldn't need a more recently-developed antibiotic, right? haha
-Microbiologist in Hawai'i
I am afraid Christ would not give most Christians the time of day.
The right wing holier than though people who memorized the bible and wrote it on the underwear were the very ones he rebelled against. Gotta love Ted Haggard though I live in his old town. Guy is a total hypocrite like most of his followers. Church in the morning bars all night long. There are more liquor stores here than LA with 1/10 of the population.
Back to science funny how CO2 goes up along with temperature. At least the scientist acknowledge the problem and are trying to come up with a solution instead of sticking their head in their a$$ and saying there is no problem.
Born OK the first time.
>>Now buying Phoenix investment property in 2005, that's just plain dumb. We can all agree on that one right?<<
Actually, there's something dumber, and that's buying investment property in the areas outside of metro Phx, like Queen Creek, Surprise, Kingman, etc.
My stupid ex-wife bought a 1 bed/1 bath condo in Overgaard at the time. You can't give that $hit away, and there's no one there to rent to!
Sorry, I forgot to include my list of people who are indeed dumb:
* Anyone who didn't believe there was a housing bubble by 2005 (yes, if you finally realized this just this past year then you are dumb)
* Extremists on the left AND right
* People who won't watch Fox News because it's 'conservative' (oooo.. scary)
* Bloggers who censor posts (Ben Jones, Seattle Bubble, Greg Swann, others - but not you Keith)
* Anyone who blindly accepts what their political party tells them to believe
* People who live in HOAs
* Anyone who lives in Las Vegas
* The guy that bought my last house at its housing bubble price
* Jim Cramer
* Green Bay Packers fans
2010 years ago today, Jesus fasted for Yom Kipur.
Keefer, you missed one
* the British
well so far it is the people who are answering your question you asked: who is the dumbest person you know and you expressed a few OPINIONS about the dumbest one YOU KEITH, know. These people did not answer your question. They got mad because you said the DUMMEST PERSON YOU KNOW DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THE BIG BANG. So that is that person not you and even if you do that is truly a personal decision. Perhaps people are so happy to express an opinion even if it off the mark they don't even bother to read the question. I didn't think you even asked the people to respond to each of your reasons why you think one of your associates is a dummy. I know a dummy I work with, she's about 77 I think she has a case of alzheimers, and has told me the same stories at least 50 times, but she isn't so short on her memory she doesn't check her stocks everyday. LOL Her grandson bought a house in San Diego, 800,000, she says he makes good money 100,000 a year he can afford it. I told her he bought it no money down, the value is gonna crash and he will never get 800,000 for it for the next 15 years. And the income to go with the house should be at least 300,000 a year, for tax and insurance. She got mad at me (because she was bragging) she said because what I told her (crashing stock market, credit problems, bursting real estate bubble)was nothing but bad news she didn't want to talk to me. Good because I was tired of hearing about her catholic doctor. But then she is 77 and what did I expect. She made out like she was a little more savvy than she appears. She has stocks in IBM, Chevron, Wal-Mart and probably more, good stocks, but don't you say that her savvy didn't spill over onto her grandson
it didn't. She gets mad as a cornered grizzly bear. The younguns will live and learn. All the other dummies just say "What can I do about it" as far as the economy goes, they do have a valid point. I just tell at least you know something is coming down the pike and you can't ever say you weren't warned.
Al Gore refuses to have a debate with anyone about global warming science because he knows it all and there should be no opposing views.
As for the Big Bang - out of empty space - nothingness - matter and energy forms to and explodes, forming the universe. That is even more ridiculous than the Bible or any othe religious book. Where did the first matter and/or energy come from to initiate the Big Bang? Maybe David Copperfield pulled back the curtains and the matter and energy magically appeared?
Well these people are the dumbest people I know, just people who made very bad decisions, like...
My friend who refinanced his loan after his ARM had reset. He found a lender who would finance him 100%, give him a 5 year teaser rate, Stated income, the works. $1,200 payment which will reset to $5,500 in 2012.
My co-worker who bought 5 houses during the bubble, made a modest profit on 4 of them and then lost all of his profit + his life savings by putting everything he owned in to a McMansion under an interest only ARM which has reset and home values have dropped so he is at close to zero equity and has been on the market for the last 6 months.
Keith, have you met my father in law?
Oh, one more thing: religion is destroying the planet as well as humanity.
Boy, some Christians just don't get it. Why can't you believe in the Big Bang Theroy and still not belive in Christ. Just think about who the Bible was written for. Some 2 thousand years age people still thought the world as flat. People died if they thought otherwise. I think God would have are hard time explaining to people that they came from little tiny cells...Don't you?
rent,
There is no basis whatsoever for believing that this Universe or this planet or anything else is the creation of one or more conscious divinities, male or otherwise.
Ditto that it/he had a child with a human 2000 years ago.
Ditto that said child also had divine attributes.
Life sucks. Get used to it.
I have several acquaintances through work and other activities who are both hardcore fundamentalist Christians and also the most die-hard property boosters I know. Coincidence?
Most people are mentally weak so they need to follow mainstream thought i.e. need religion as a crutch, there is no bubble, America is perfect and everyone else hates us because they're jealous, etc.
HA HA!
Now I know you're blogging from Vegas on this one Keith!
Isnt this - like - just about everybody?
The human race, as a whole, are very stupid.
I don't understand any christianity flavor who doesn't understand the big bang and expanding universe, since it fits so nicely with:
In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth,
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2 the earth was a formless wasteland, and darkness covered the abyss, while a mighty wind swept over the waters.
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Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
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God saw how good the light was. God then separated the light from the darkness.
Then again, I don't understand the naivety of people who didn't understand we were in an epic bubble that would collapse
But then I'm reminded of the pope who imprisoned galileo for believing that the earth rotated around the sun
Grow up people. Science is not your enemy. Ignorance is. And science and the bible do not conflict.
Now the NAR and the truth, those two conflict.
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I do not own property in Phoenix!
Stupid mean people suck
What I want to know is why are so many Christians such red-blooded supporters of everything government and society deems good and worthy.
Wasn't the crucifixation of Christ a repudiation of authority?
How ignorant.
Let's see...
1. Sold my 8 year-old house 6 months ago and made $570,000.00 profit
2. Did not buy. Will not buy for at least 2 years.
But...
A. I belive in the big bang
b. Evolution has been proven false.
C. I understand global warming science all right. Man-made global warming is a big lie. Look at Al Gore's movie.
D. Most of George Bush's moves are the right ones. Where I differ with him the most is illegal immigration. He needs to aggressively deport illegals.
E. Sure, Social Security has a problem all right. It's a massive and out-of-control scam. Social Security needs to be scrapped and replaced with some form of mandatory IRA.
F. I watch Fox and CNN and all the rest. I mostly get my news by reading. Mainstream media is extremely biased to the left.
G. Sure, there is a housing bubble. That's why I'm not buying a house for at least 2 years.
H. Nope, I don't live anywhere near Phoenix.
HERE IS WHAT A DUMB PERSON REALLY LOOKS LIKE:
1. Believes in man-made global warming.
2. Believes in evolution.
3. Believes the liberal mainstream media.
4. Votes Deomcrat.
5. Supports illegal immigration.
6. Wants to throw more money at Social inSecurity.
7. Thinks it's a good time to buy a house now.
S U C K E R S !!!!
It's amazing that there are still some people in 2007 who don't understand evolution
But then again, I guess they didn't evolve - so I guess that proves science wrong. By natural selection idiots like this should've died off by now
Your right Keith . I never thought the Big Bang theory was in conflict with religion .Just because the scientist try to understand how the formation of earth and the planets came about doesn't mean that God didn't create that big bang . Somehow a small amount of atoms ended up evolving into something big like we have today .Just because it took many a year for Adam and Eve to be running around in the garden of Eden ,doesn't mean that the earth didn't have to be formed with all the other planets . Whatever . God is to big for me to question what the game plan is or what the process was .
The fully observable expanding universe proves the Big Bang theory
Greg Swann proves that people are stupid
George Bush is the dumbest person I know of
The dumbest people are those who stubbornly cling to their delusions even when presented with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, usually because to change their minds would involve too much work, would imply a loss of income or status, or would require them to admit that they were betrayed by those who they trusted implicitly.
>>What I want to know is why are so many Christians such red-blooded supporters of everything government and society deems good and worthy.
Wasn't the crucifixation of Christ a repudiation of authority?
How ignorant.<<
Before you start spouting "How ignorant" to others, perhaps you should check your own ignorance first.
Read the Bible, particularly the New Testament. You will find that Jesus Christ said “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s". (Matthew 22:21)
Read the writings of Paul regarding to how Chrisitians are to deal with human authority. You will find that Christians are to live peaceably, and to respect and obey all authority, and to regard authority as being placed there by God. Even if it means that the authorities begin to kill Christians, then Christans are not to revolt, but instead are to accept what is happening to them as being the will of God. This is the essence of true martyrdom, which is the passive acceptance of persecution to the point of death (the Muslims have destroyed the true meaning of "martrydom" by replacing it with murder-suicide).
The crucifixion of Christ was not a repudiation of all authority. To the contrary, the crucifixion was the plan and purpose of the ultimate Authority of the universe... that authority was God Himself. Read Acts 4:24-29, and you will see that God, the ultimate Authority, planned, arranged, and made sure that the crucifixion was carried out according to His will and purpose.
Athiests are the most stupid, closed-minded people I know.
* Thinks the corporate owned news has a "Liberal" bias.
* Believes that 9-11 was an " Islamic terrorist" act.
* Believes that GW is a Christian.
* Believes anything a politician says.
* Trusting Realtors
* Trusting Brokers.
* Living on credit.
* Reading blogs lol
REVELATIONS TELLS US THAT IN ONE DAY THERE WILL BE A FINANCIAL COLLAPSE OF THE WORLDS MONETARY SYSTEM. I HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST AS SHOULD THE REST OF THE WORLDS CHRISTIANS. WE ARE ALL SINNERS, ONLY JESUS HIMSELF WAS NOT A SINNER. WE WILL ALL FACE OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL JUDGEMENT, EVERYBODY HAS THEIR FAULTS BUT THATS WHY JESUS SACRIFICED HIMSELF FOR US. WE MUST REPENT, JESUS IS OUR LORD AND SAVIOR AND ONLY THROUGH HIM CAN YOU GET TO HEAVEN. DONT BLAME GOD FOR OUR OWN HUMAN MISHAPS.
Here Here I agree George Bush the C President is the dumbest person I ever met. I met him in Texas when he owned the Rangers. Would vote for my Chihuahua before him.
Big Bang? I prefer the story from Greek mythology - the universe arose from some shenanigans between Chaos and Eros - it's more beautiful. Until Alan Guth's inflation theory is fleshed out, the BB is a convenient fairy tale.
Evolution? It's as much a religious conviction as a scientific theory. Read about the methods used by Thomas Huxley as he forced it down the throats of the British scientific establishment. No, I don't believe the Earth is 6000 years old. I also don't think science has a firm grasp about the origins and basis of the domain we call life. Lots of smart people think the answers will be found by deconstructing matter or cataloging genomes. To me that's like trying to understand Beethoven's 9th by analyzing the ink and paper on the printed sheet music.
Most of us are double-ignorant, we don't know that we don't know. Getting past that obstacle is the first step to enlightenment.
The only interesting topic I find on the list is the Big Pop thought.
You silly homo's (sapiens) think that God is here?
You think God is watching?
Listen knuckleheads, if God created this world and universe, he had to do it somehow, right?
Maybe the theory of a big bang IS correct, because that is the way God did it.
Is there any problem with that thought?
Burn, baby Burn.
All ye faithful?
Don't make me sick.
Denying God's way?
I chuckle with delight.
See you soon, and just pray you are the one doing the prodding for ME.
Ha, Ha, Ha
Global Warming?
That is just my boss getting closer and closer to retaining your asses.
(I laugh mightily and heartily, then I continue.)
LET ME ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!
Every one of you morons who inhabit this Earth.
You are ALL stupid and ignorant of the fate that awaits you all!!!
You worship mere mortals as gods (politicians), and think you have no say to the outcome of the Earth.
If you only knew the power each and every one of you possessed,
(I laugh within myself, then continue).
But you fools are the ones that destroy each other. Your biggest helpers become enemies.
I will prod each and every one of you with a hot, sharp pitch fork, while I watch your souls cry out in pain.
You have no choice in the matter anymore, you already decided long ago.
Wow, we've strayed pretty far from housing.
FYI. Apparently, Keith is not as knowledgeable as he thinks he is on the topic of religion. The Big Bang Theory is widely embraced by Christians (as in a large majority). It supports the Genesis account and is dreaded by the atheists in academic circles.
Prior to the Big Bang Theory, atheists argued against Christianity by maintaining that the universe has ALWAYS existed (which is a logical impossibility). They had to in order to explain away the origin of matter, energy, space, time, etc. Because, if you had to explain the origins of these very elemental items, you are forced into admitting the presence of some sort of "god".
In fact, the name "Big Bang Theory" is a derisive term coined by atheists in an attempt to discredit it. They intuitively and correctly understood that this theory threatened to destroy their long cherised ideas. Now that it is generally accepted science, the atheists are running scared. They are running scared because the idea of a beginning of the universe suggests a cause. Anything (anyone) who can "cause" the universe to leap into existence from "nothing" is a close to the idea of "god" as you can get - wouldn't you say?
Keith. Do a little homework before you rant. You won't have to be caught with your pants down in front of the whole world.
YOU CAN PROVE GOD'S EXISTENCE NOW
First let's agree on one obvious logical rule:
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Every Effect Must Have A Cause
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Here we go.
1. Where did the planet earth come from? Swirling clouds of debris.
2. Where did the swirling clouds come from? The remnants of the Big Bang.
3. Where did the Big Bang come from? There are only 2 possibilities.
A. Nothing caused the Big Bang.
B. Some transcendent being who is beyond our understanding caused it.
If we agreed to the above-state rule, then we can rule out option A. This leaves us with only option B. Although option B leaves you with the question of "who created God", it remains the only logical answer. (God must have existed eternally and is beyond creation) Aristotle came to the same conclusion. He called this god the "uncaused cause".
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Think about it. If you see anything, that thing begs the question of where did it come from or how did it come into being. And if you were able to answer that question, then you could ask the same question about whatever thing you concluded was the cause of the first. If you keep going backward, then you come to a conundrum. Do I go backwards infinitely? Where does it stop? This is the very thought process that lead Aristotle to come to the conclusion that there must be an uncaused cause or unmoved mover (God). Aristotle knew that ultimately there were only two answers:
A. Nothing created everything
B. God (some greater transcendent force) created everything.
Only option B worked for Aristotle.
To borrow a phrase from RC Sproul:
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If anything exists, God must exist
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I am the dumbest person I know!
I know nothing, except that I was born into this world and have been subjected to propaganda, lies, and deceipt ever since.
However, I have learned a few tricks along the way. Such as how to use tools. I learned that the most powerful tool on Earth is the tool called man. I also learned that to use this tool in mass requires the psycological mind control skills which the masses perceive as religion and central banking.
Yesterday, I watched the ZEITGEIST movie and realized how brainwashed and dumb I really am.
Watch the movie online here:
www.zeitgeist.com
TODAY, I see the world as it really is and hopefully I shall grow smart over time.
OK Keith,
Now I have to get involved. I am a theology student. I much enjoy your work, and even your often inflammatory attitude. I fully agree with most of your political views. I fully agree with most of your economic views. I fully agree with most of your housing and RE bubble views. I fully agree with most of your views of RE clerks, mortgage brokers, appraisers and others in the corrupt REIC.
But, I have to respectfully disagree with your statement "the bible and the big bang and evolution are not in conflict. Read it again."
The Biblical account of origins from Genesis differs materially at several points from the Big Bang theory.
#1) According to Big Bang there was only one or at most two original elements, hydrogen and helium initially formed. The remainder of the elements came from stars later in time.
According to Genesis "God created the heavens and the earth." Not just one or two elements-hydrogen and/or helium.
#2) According to Big Bang theory the earth evolved billions of years after the stars.
According to Genesis on days 1-2 God first makes the heavens(atmosphere) and the earth, the oceans and the continents. He doesn't create the sun, moon and stars until day 4.
#3) According to Big Bang theory plant forms logically evolved after the sun.
According to Genesis, God created plants and trees on day 3- BEFORE he created the sun, moon and stars on day 4. (This point would also seem to disagree with Old earth creation theories that view the days as metaphorical longer epochs of time. How can plants grow for millions of years before the sun is placed? They can't, but they could survive for one day until the sun is placed).
#4)According to Big Bang our sun was formed from much older stars.
According to Genesis, the sun, moon and stars were created together on day 4.
Keith, the bottom line is that I can't convince you the Biblical evidence is true, nor can I conclusively disprove the Big Bang theory. I just don't think it's honest to try and reconcile them with each other.
There is of course an element of faith involved in believing in creation. There is also an element of faith involved in believing Big Bang theory, or any science for that matter. (and this is where it gets metaphysically philosophical). For instance, the basic tenet of science is that the universe exists (is real) and is knowable. This in itself is a pre-supposition. Can you prove that the universe exists? Can you even prove that you exist (beyond Descartes famous "I think therefore I am")? The answer to these questions is no, but you do believe that you exist, and you do believe that the universe exists. You demonstrate faith in that you pre-suppose these things.
I don't want to turn this blog about the housing bust into a blog about religion, but I thought that because you brought the issue up I would address it. I would be more than happy to continue any dialogue in another setting.
P.S.
You see that I don't believe in evolution or Big Bang. Please don't group me in with people who bought in Phoenix in 2005. That is just downright insulting, direspectful, and unforgiveable.
I find an ironic parallel in the Fox News comment.
People who buy into the bubble do so because they are so use to the insanely high prices they don't even know they are insane and are committing financial suicide.
People who buy into the liberal garbage you find inn most of the mainstream media do so because they are so use to getting lied to that they don't realize they are be lead down the path.
I believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster created all. He giveth me my red sauce and delivers me from clams.
I, too, have been touched by His noodly appendage.
Oh boy does that sound naughty!
I love this blog even more now that we get to have the science vs religion debate. What's a fiscally poor athiest to do? Time to break out Dawkins's "The God Delusion" for a 3rd read.
Dumbest person? Me, for always wanting to believe that people are intrinsically good and not just crazy little drama monkeys scrabbling to get what the monkey next door has.
Folks this is not an anti-christian thread. It's an anti-ignorance thread.
Most christians I know (which is almost everyone I know) are not ignorant.
Here's an interesting survey that shows belief in the big bang by christian flavor (and a few other religions)
http://bp1.blogger.com/_4kuJkMcpIvs/Rmn_3KXKqkI/AAAAAAAAAAU/1gfks0QJN6s/s1600-h/bigbang.jpg
You'll note catholics believe in this science nearly 3 times more than fundamentalist protestants. And that 50% of jewish people understand this basic science. But sadly that only 40% of Americans in total get it.
Looks like the catholics and jews get evolution too on a larger scale than the other religious flavors
http://bp0.blogger.com/_4kuJkMcpIvs/RmoBDqXKqlI/AAAAAAAAAAc/Reka0G1gxbQ/s1600-h/evolved.jpg
I would LOVE to see someone do a survey of "do you believe the US experienced a giant housing bubble" by religion.
Now THAT would be fun.
You know, you do a great job here because you put facts front and center, and you have a nice provocative style that makes it all the more enjoyable.
Having said all that- You lose me with the Fox news and Global warming stuff (I understand the Bush stuff) I'll tell you what - you approach those comments with the same rigor and detail that you do on the housing bubble and maybe you can change my mind.
In the meantime, the global warming mantra is ten times more deceitful and devious than country wide ever was.
One last thing. I sold my house yesterday. I did just what you told me to do. I looked at the houses in my area, and priced mine to sell. I was 10K lower than anyone else - which we could do because we bought 7 years ago. I sold it in 30 days. I am not exaggerating - there was a crowd of people around me at my son's soccer game trying to find out how I sold my house so fast. I swear I said "Mark to market" they just looked at me with a blank expression. After I explained it they still didn't grasp how simple it really is.
We are renting for a year or so. 3 bedroon town house, heat included, one block from the ocean, views from the top floor. 1000 a month, except 1800 a month for July and August. We currently pay 1600 every summer for ONE WEEK on the beach. No more. I am happy. So happy.
Regards!
I am the dumbest person I know!
I know nothing, except that I was born into this world and have been subjected to propaganda, lies, and deceipt ever since.
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Bravo to you! You read like Socrates who always said that he knew nothing and would question other people to prove that they also knew nothing of the truth.
Know how I know that Mary was a vergin
Cause Suzan told me so.
This morning
Oil futures dropped to historic lows due to global warming.
Heating fuel inventory are predicted to climb to record levels.
I am the dumbest person I know!
I know nothing, except that I was born into this world and have been subjected to propaganda, lies, and deceipt ever since.
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Bravo to you! You read like Socrates who always said that he knew nothing and would question other people to prove that they also knew nothing of the truth.
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CORRECTION:
The correct link to the movie is:
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
"Believes that Global warming is caused by people - it can never be a natural event tied to the solar cycle - gotta feed that guilt trip."
A great example of somebody who thinks they are smarter than people who are dumb, but really they're just dumb themselves.
Global warming CAN be a natural event tied to the solar cycle. It may have happened thousands and millions of years ago.
Right now, it definitely is NOT. Scientists (I am one) have checked for that for literally decades. It isn't happening.
There's this thing call "instruments" and "observations" and "laws of physics" and real scientists use them. We didn't just pull this stuff out of our ass yesterday. (Among scientists the issue of artificial greenhouse warming has been in play since about 1957 or so.)
There is NO substantial solar change which can explain other observations. There IS substantial atmospheric change which can explain observations.
(yes I know all about svensmark and vezier and they are not remotely convincing)
best blog on climate, from actual scientists: www.realclimate.org
Scientists don't want global warming, it's going to really suck.
And yes if there were no global warming they'd be able to get jobs in lots of other things like usual anyway.
And yes their predictions can and have been tested, and they were right.
The following ideas and concepts are theories: Evolution, the Big Bang, gravity, and the nature of matter (atomic theory). Don't play the theory card unless you actually know what theory means in a scientific sense. Evolution, just a theory of course, is the basis of most modern biological concepts, all observable.
Consider this, everyone is born an atheist. You have to be taught about God by your parents or someone else. If God really put us here to know him, to love him, and to serve him, don't you think he would have done us the favor of naturally knowing he existed?
Anyway, 60% of the New Testament was written by a guy who had an epileptic seizure, said God visited him, and led a new religion based on that.
Also, why is the story of Jesus believable, but not Dionysus or Osiris? They have a pretty similar story, being saviors and born of virgins and fun stuff like that, except their stories are hundreds of years older than Christ's.
Also, for further reading, see Numbers 31 and Genesis 38. Tell me what you think of God, especially with respect to Numbers 31.
"I believe in God & Jesus Christ as the son of God who created our world and vast universe. So this makes me dumb? You need to look at yourself in the mirror.. before listing that as a criteria."
Hey Rent, do you believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus too? It never ceases to amaze me that each religion of the world, and every believer in that religion believes THEIRS is the right one. With 100's of religions in the world, it seems to me that someone that makes a statement like yours proves that Keith is right. Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand.
The fact is that you do not "know" the "existance" of Jesus Christ or the origin of the universe or evolution any more than the next person. You have FAITH that it is true, but to say you "know" it is true is a moronic statement. Remember, the idiots that slammed in to the trade center thought they "knew" Allah would smile on them and give them 70 virgins for crashing a plane and killing people.
I for one believe in what is PROVEN to me. So far, evolution has the winning hand. If that changes down the road, I will change course accordingly, BUT until then, I have to go with what is obvious. The Realtwhores believe that housing will make a quick comeback - so far the opposite has the winning hand, so I again go with the obvious....
"Read the writings of Paul regarding to how Chrisitians are to deal with human authority. You will find that Christians are to live peaceably, and to respect and obey all authority, and to regard authority as being placed there by God."
I believe DiTech answered this quite well - Sheeple are Smart :)
Anyone that follows this is detined to be stupid and controlled by that authority. Please - If the orginal settlers of America had followed this thinking we would all be english still.....idiot. Religious fanatics of all kinds are the dumbest people I know.
PARAMETERS FOR TEST GROUP A:
Believing in God & Jesus Christ as the creator of the universe is not dumb.
Believing in Darwing theory on evolution and drawing conclusions that man came from a single cell organism over billions of years is fantasy at best and stupidity at worst.
PARAMETERS FOR TEST GROUP B:
Believing in God & Jesus Christ as the creator of the universe is fantasy at best and stupidity at worst.
Believing in Darwing theory on evolution and drawing conclusions that man came from a single cell organism over billions of years is not dumb.
EXPERIMENT: MIX TEST GROUPS TOGETHER AND OBSERVE FIREWORKS.
"REVELATIONS TELLS US THAT IN ONE DAY THERE WILL BE A FINANCIAL COLLAPSE OF THE WORLDS MONETARY SYSTEM. I HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST AS SHOULD THE REST OF THE WORLDS CHRISTIANS. WE ARE ALL SINNERS, ONLY JESUS HIMSELF WAS NOT A SINNER. WE WILL ALL FACE OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL JUDGEMENT, EVERYBODY HAS THEIR FAULTS BUT THATS WHY JESUS SACRIFICED HIMSELF FOR US. WE MUST REPENT, JESUS IS OUR LORD AND SAVIOR AND ONLY THROUGH HIM CAN YOU GET TO HEAVEN. DONT BLAME GOD FOR OUR OWN HUMAN MISHAPS."
Boy the nutbags have definitely swooped in. I suppose that the Branch Davidians in Wacko Texas were right too. Oh, and lets not forget the people that killed themselves for the Comet Hale-Bopp - They got it right. Hmmm, I belive that this thread is bringing out all of the stupidest people we will ALL know....
I know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real, because I saw the video on You Tube. rAmen.
To Anonymous of 9/23, 6:45PM -
Evolution does NOT have the upper hand. Lee Strobel lays out the science brilliantly. The latest science all but puts the final nail in evolution's coffin.
Please read Lee Strobel's "CASE FOR A CREATOR". You will be englightened.
http://tinyurl.com/3bza5f
I challenge anyone to read Lee Strobel's "CASE FOR A CREATOR" and see if you still believe in evolution.
anon @6:09 PM said,
"60% of the New Testament was written by a guy who had an epileptic seizure, said God visited him, and led a new religion based on that."
I assume you are referring to the apostle Paul here. Paul did indeed write a majority of the NT, however he didn't start any new religion, Jesus Christ did.
In fact, Paul was a Jewish rabbinical zealot who was at first a persecutor of the followers of Christ. He converted to Christianity and ceased to persecute Christians after his "encounter" with a post-ascension Christ.
Thus, the fact is that Christ started a new religion with his life, death and resurrection. The men who carried this on were his 12 apostles minus Judas (his betrayer). Several of these 12 men wrote epistles chronicling his life, and were eyewitnesses to his death and resurrection. They also went on to later die for their belief in Christ. I find this compelling, for had they not seen a resurrected Christ, what foolishness it would have been to die spreading a fable. And by the way, extra-Biblical accounts verify the historicity of Jesus Christ, and his followers. Yes, it is faith that is being exercised in believing in his resurrection; however, it is not necessarily blind faith. Don't assume that all Christians are dumb, and have "checked their brains at the door."
You're obviously skeptical of the NT and its authors and teachings. I can't change your mind about that. However, please be respectful enough to present them accurately in your statements instead of with revisionist cynicism.
* Doesn't believe in the Big Bang or evolution]
Only an Idiot would believe in the big bang or evolution.
This is one reason you have lost people on your blog. Stick to the housing blog buddy and start using a little common sense.
How about the dumbest person that the All Knowing knows?
I'll let God answer that one:
Psalm 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
The Big Bang Truth:
God Spoke.
Bang... It happened!
Asset Hunter
Science shows God at work. Take something like DNA. Pretty amazing stuff.
There is no reason to be afraid of science
But there's every reason to be afraid of ignorance.
Just ask homebuyers in Phoenix
Ah, gotta love mixing religion and the housing crash. Let's throw in politics too and have a free-for-all
At least HP'ers can have a semi-rational conversation. That's what's missing in America these days - intelligent discourse. I almost puked coming back last week and turning on the "news" channels. Worse than they've ever been.
Here's what confuses me about the non-Believers' view of the Big Bang:
In the beginning there was nothing.
Then it exploded.
Whaaaaaaaattt?
This entire thread is obviously a cheap attempt to rile up some readers (myself a reader almost daily for a couple years) into a frenzy, and is certainly accomplishing that.
Ummm... congratulations, Keith??
I honestly didn't know there was still this level of science-rejection in the US.
Shows the power of fundamentalist religions. Makes otherwise sane people believe some strange things.
Nice to see a lot of Catholics and non-denominational christians embrace settled science, and consider how it jives with their religious views.
99.85% of scientists believe in the theory of evolution. This issue is settled science. And it's so easy to understand and observe. I'd rather be on the side of Einstein and Hawking than Ted Haggard and Pat Robertson
America will continue to lose its competitive edge if ignorance is left unchecked.
Couple of interesting reads:
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA111.html
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_hist.htm
Proof of Big Bang Seen by Space Probe, Scientists Say
http://tinyurl.com/kaphg
New NASA space-probe observations of the oldest light in the cosmos are the most direct evidence yet that the universe expanded extremely quickly immediately after the big bang, physicists say.
Charles Bennett of Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, led the team overseeing NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP). He and colleagues announced the new results Thursday in a teleconference.
Previous experiments—including WMAP results released in 2003—had provided strong evidence for the rapid-expansion theory, called inflation, that was first proposed by physicist Alan Guth in 1980.
In the trillion-trillionth of a second after the big bang, the universe expanded from the size of a gumball to astronomical proportions, according to the inflation theory. The universe then settled into a more leisurely pace of expansion over the past 13.7 billion years or so.
Smoking Gun
WMAP now has the most convincing evidence yet for inflation: a reading of the light released just after the big bang. This cosmic afterglow, known as microwave background, is made of a similar type of radiation to that which carries signals to a TV antenna.
so, anti-evolutionists, where did ethicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) come from?
Did God will that one too? If so, then he seems like a real dick.
Nice to see Catholics and the Pope out ahead on the climate change issue. This should get some people to take their heads out of their asses.
It's simply immoral and anti-Christian to do nothing about climate change. If you're christian and anti-science on this issue, you're going to be a pariah soon enough. Maybe when you're under water.
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2987811.ece
Pope to make climate action a moral obligation
The Pope is expected to use his first address to the United Nations to deliver a powerful warning over climate change in a move to adopt protection of the environment as a "moral" cause for the Catholic Church and its billion-strong following.
The New York speech is likely to contain an appeal for sustainable development, and it will follow an unprecedented Encyclical (a message to the wider church) on the subject, senior diplomatic sources have told The Independent.
It will act as the centrepiece of a US visit scheduled for next April – the first by Benedict XVI, and the first Papal visit since 1999 – and round off an environmental blitz at the Vatican, in which the Pope has personally led moves to emphasise green issues based on the belief that climate change is affecting the poorest people on the planet, and the principle that believers have a duty to "protect creation".
If you had children, which era would you like them to grow up in? The God fearing one that our Great Grandparents grew up in, or the current out of control, morally destructive one we`re in? Nuff said.
Keith:
You are an intelligent guy. You are independent-minded. You won't listen to the propaganda fed to you by real estate industrial complex. Listening to mainstream media to find information on the latest science about evolution is like asking the NAR for investment advice. I understand you think science is on the side of atheism because that's what you've been told all of your life. But please, TAKE THE RED PILL. Science is actually on the side of creationists.
Please read Lee Strobel's CASE FOR A CREATOR before you embarrass yourself further. Don't be a lemming anymore. The most you can lose is $13.22. The most you can gain is your soul.
http://tinyurl.com/37rxeb
The difference between
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Jesus Christ idiots
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Allah idiots
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nothing!!!
"Believing in God & Jesus Christ as the creator of the universe is not dumb."
It seems to me, you are dumb alright.
"Count me in as one of the idiots as I think global warming is a giant fraud based on the assumption that resources are "fixed" and that there are too many people chasing too few resources."
so you think there is infinite resources on this planet? great, you are dumb alright.
Count me in as one of the idiots as I think global warming is a giant fraud based on the assumption that resources are "fixed" and that there are too many people chasing too few resources."
so you think there is infinite resources on this planet? great, you are dumb alright.
September 24, 2007 12:39 PM
Man is not an animal and is not bound by such constraints as carrying capacity. If man were an ape then our population would never have surpassed several million.
Last time I looked there was close to 6 billion people on this planet.
Care to venture a guess how such a thing could happen?
This planet could easily accomodate 50 billion people world wide.
Quit thinking like an ape you moron.
Oh boy, it seems that the entire nation of NASCAR inbreds came out of the swamp for this thread.
Hey hicks, Jesus loves you but we still think that you are a bunch of retards.
I agree with everything but evolution. Humans are too complex to have evolved, and Newtons laws have been in force since the world began, which correctly states things go from order to disorder. For evolution to be true, Newtons entropy law would have to be false-and we know they are true.
Ergo, evolution can not be true. But your other postulates are right.
I don't see why anyone's Sky God beliefs should be held up above anyone else's. Young Earth Creationism contradicts the indicated scientific evidence as much as that Indian belief that "it's turtles all the way down".
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