Here's the highlights from the only pro-constitution, limited government, anti-war Republican running. It was GREAT to see an actual debate break out during this debate - thanks to the courage of Ron Paul. And watch for the "put words in his mouth" question from Chris Wallace. His dad, a real journalist, would be ashamed.
It's Ron Paul on his own versus the entire GOP field. Amazing position to be in. How any anti-war Republicans can vote for any of the other candidates is beyond me. If you're GOP and anti-war, you're with RP. If you're GOP and you're anti-big-government, you're with RP. If you're an Independent wanting a voice in the primaries, you're with RP.America, we're in a whole heap of trouble, and more of the same will get you more of the same. It's time for a change. And I have nearly zero hope that there's enough enlightened Americans to make that change. You get the leaders you deserve, and America doesn't deserve Ron Paul.
It's not too late America. But it will be soon. And the housing crash will be the straw that broke the camel's back.
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Yes, shame on Chris Wallace for his attempt at trying to belittle Mr. Paul. I have not been politically active in the past, but for the first time I DO plan on getting involved in this election.
Who filmed this?
Why is it that when the questioner asks RP the questions some guy can be heard laughing as if the questions are a joke? As if were to believe cutting the government is a joke? this is a setup.
The nervous laughter is from one of the other candidates, likely King of the Assholes Rudy
UGH not again with this nutjob. Come on man, give it up, it ain't happening.
It is too late. We need a long hard recession in which the populace realizes you can't have something for nothing, everyone is not entitled to live like or be a millionaire, and that money and things will not fulfill you.
Most people will lose a lot and realize they never had it anyway.
Perhaps then a little wisdom will grow.
Did you guys notice how Huckabee's basic plan was "I don't care how many people die in Iraq so long as we leave "when we want to" meaning that we don't lose face. I was disgusted by that. Ron Paul was the only one who was not senile.
That scumbag Chris Wallace is trash for asking the question he did about taking marching orders from Al Queda.
Hannity is also human garbage. We all know Fox News polls are a real as professional wrestling. They don't even have msg boards on their website. Anyway, Hannity kept saying how Ron Paul winning the Fox poll was fake; maybe so but don't have a poll if you might not like the results you JACKASS!
*second try*
Dear Keith,
I made a decision to watch the Republican presidential debate last night on Fox
Only to see who ‘Ron Paul’ is.
I was interested to see what he’s about because you have been promoting him here on HP.
I’m not really sure were to begin.
To say that he’s a total looser is an understatement
To say that I’m beyond surprised that you support him is also an understatement.
I just don’t get it …….. the Ron Paul that I saw last night does not appear capable
to manage his thermostat in his own living room, let alone be a leader of a country.
I believe they mentioned that he’s been a representative for the state of Texas for like 10 years (or 10 terms, not sure, but what are they smoking in Texas?).
Do you think he’s smart cause he advocates that people begin using gold and silver coins and not paper money, like they did about a thousand years ago?
WTF?
Pleeze explain why you support this guy.
I personally would not trust him in my house even when I’m home.
This guy looks and sounds spooky.
Man, I just don’t get it.
Ron's best showing yet. Laid 'em all flat... boom boom boom.
GO RON GO!!!
Anyone think his eyebrows are natural.
Think he shaves down there?
Hell, I've never been GOP and I'm voting for Ron Paul. My entire family , co-workers, and friends are doing voting for him, too.
You should see Hannity's reaction when the Fox poll showed Paul ahead with 37% and Giuliani second with only 14%. Man, he got pissed on camera, said "Let it go again", like the poll was fixed or untrue. Hey Faux News, why do a poll at all then, if you don't believe in it?
If you're a Democrat, anti-war and anit-bailout RP is the man.
Speaking of a'holes, how about Chris Matthews, in an earlier debate, saying "ohhh Goddd..." very clearly when Ron Paul invoked the Constitution? These cynical Beltway creeps don't even keep up a pretense of respect for our laws or for honest debate.
Dr. Ron Paul 2008!
Paul got the most donations from troops, and Rude E Ghoulieannie (aka THE JOKER) laughs at him.
Doesn't the laughing remind you of the Real Estate shills laughing at Peter Schiff back in the day when housing prices were supposed to go up 10%?
Keith, do you think Bernanke and Paulson can keep the dollar propped up long enough to extinguish the Ron Paul threat?
If the dollar were to collapse soon, everyone might awake from their long slumber to see what a great man this is. It's unfortunate that everyone gangs up on him. We have been off course for so long now, it seems like the Constitution is passe' to most people. Rudi & all the other G.O.P. Jackoffs seriously need to learn some manners. I am voting for Ron Paul if he is there, but let's face it, he's a long shot until the sheeple wake up. I think a dollar collapse will be the alarm clock. If Washington,Jefferson, and Franklin were alive in this era they probably would have left to try to start another America somewhere else.
common sence isnt tough
I don't think it was Rudy laughing. It sounded to me like it was Romney.
Ron Paul is the real deal, folks. When people finally begin to wake up to the truth, RP will become endeared to the hearts and minds of the American people.
Those who continue to be in denial over the real prospects of the RP candicacy are in the same league as the sheeple who have placed their heads into the sand ignoring the housing crash.
If there were any sanity and probity among Republicans, the leading "sensible" candidates would be, by far,
Mitt Romney, a conventional but approximately competent and sane "CEO" republican,
and
Ron Paul, an ideological, but honest libertarian.
McCain is nuts, Thompson is a lazy airhead, and 'il Rudi' Giuliani is a dangerous warmonger policestatist. Others are regressive mouthbreathers.
Among Democrats, the leading candidates by sanity and merit would be Edwards and Dodd and Richardson.
The bush regime controls the national news and ALL MAIN media outlets like CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, NPR, BBC, The NY Times, AP Wires, USA Today, etc, etc, etc. You could say an illegal monopoly GANG to CONTROL the NATIONAL NEWS, data, images, numbers, etc.
This is all a bad dream, I agree. But what has been done to our country was wrong. And still is. If Ron can take them over, I wish him all the best. We are all doomed. The Bush/Cheney Kool-aid offer will soon arrive at your door. No, this is not a dream. Our US government is gone. 9/5/2007
RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT!!
The nut job the previous poster speaks of, is the only one who understands how to fix our economy, which is quickly going bankrupt. Fortunately for me, Ron Paul will not win, and I will get to watch all of you people suffer financial ruin and hardship, which you all deserve, and I will thoroughly enjoy watching.
I really like Ron Paul. It is obvious he is a critical thinker and came up with these thoughts mostly on his own rather than being indoctrinated by the status quo.
As much as I like some of Paul's libertarian positions with regard to domestic issues, he is a complete quack when it comes to foreign affairs and he proved that in this debate. His view of the world is too simplistic and trusting, and it seems he would run this country much like someone who can't see more than 5 feet in front of their face would drive a car.
Abolish the CIA and the FBI? Is he out of his mind? I'm all for smaller government, but that's just ridiculous.
He, like Dennis Kucinich on the Democratic side, is far too idealistic to manage anything other than his own life. Leadership at the national level requires pragmatism and a willingness to make decisions that run counter to one's beliefs, and he appears capable of neither.
Q: Why is the media telling us that bin Laden will release a video on the 9/11 anniversary?
(and 6-DAYS IN ADVANCE?)
Extra-Extra, read all about it!
A: Because the bushies and bin ladens are in business together!
Terra, terra, terra!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Republicans, look out for the boogie men!.........
BOO!
UGH not again with this nutjob. Come on man, give it up, it ain't happening.
--
Do the world a favor and shoot yourself.
"First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
they they fight you,
then you win."
We're at step 2.
Ron Paul is awesome!! I've given up on politicians, but listening to that man makes me cheer and shout in support. That laughing in the background was pissing me off no end. The one guy with a brain and saying it like it is, but does not have a chance in hell of winning, sad for America.
THIS NEEDS IT'S OWN THREAD
http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=139&a=3401
Wall Street hides impact of sub-prime mortgage meltdown
Warning: Don't watch the debate video if you just ate. Fox News slimeball attempts at discrediting RP will make you puke!
I don't agree with everything that Ron Paul says. It's just the fact the he is about the only guy up there that actually believes in what he is saying and it is striking a chord with the American people. He is taking long standing Republican Libertarian principals and rubbing them in the face of the "so called" legitimate candidates. Did you see the expressions on the establishment Republicans "oh my god, what are we going to do with this guy??". This is like a breathe of fresh air!
I used to like Fox until their smear campaign on RP. Cavuto pulls the same stunt of trying to make him look stupid... this ends up with Cavuto getting body slammed.... you can't bring a knife to RP's hellfire missile fight. He is obviously the most intellectual candidate in the past 15 years since I've been following politics and they know it.
But everyone knows the news shouters at fox take their marching orders from the top and the top does have an agenda....and it doesn't include RP.
It seems that the shady government within the government asked their Israeli pals to start a phony conflict with Syria, by invading their air space. Be prepared to see lots and lots of these schemes from now on, as the shady government tries to hold on to the money making machine phony wars they create to transfer taxpayer money into their bank accounts.
GOP, their facilitators, are losing ground on public opinion, so the time calls for drastic measures, such as Osama "new" tapes shwoing up here and there to scare the sheeple and make Giuliana look good, phony terror plots that get busted, increased terror alerts, etc, etc, etc. Just pay attention to the news from now on to spot the pattern forming, as the elections approach and pressure to pull out of Iraq increases. You will see more of Osama, Syria, Iran, phony terror plots..the same BS to fool you again.
Wake up, sheeple, it's all rigged by the shady group. Don't believe a word that comes out of MSM, GOP, or the White House!
I really think a lot of this is going to back fire against the GOP. The way they all were acting in front of the camera, the way the host was smug and dismissive, it's gonna back fire. Ron Paul makes sense and he bucks the popular view of the GOP. I really think most people watching the debates are going to slowly agree whith what Ron Paul said.
It's really sad the way they all ganged up and laughed at him. But Americans always root for the underdog, cause at inception we were a nation of underdogs.
Go Ron Paul!
BTW I just donated and it was my first time donating to anything besides the salvation army at Christmas.
Fox News moderators weighed in with glee in an attempt to ruffle, smear and sidetrack Ron Paul. His first question revolved around a purposeful misquote of the Congressman’s position on allowing pilots to be armed and it only went downhill from there.
“The second question though revealed the unbelievable bias of Fox News,” writes Anthony Wade. “In response to a question about Iraq and troops, Paul reiterated that we needed to pull the troops home, period. He has consistently said that we need to address the entire foreign policy and start protecting our own borders and our own country. In response to the false notion that there would be a “bloodbath” if we just pulled out, Paul quickly reminded everyone that the same people speculating that there would be a bloodbath are the same people who said Iraq would be a “cakewalk” and a “slam dunk.” He then correctly pointed out the faulty logic that says we need to stay for stability when it is widely reported that our presence on the Arabian Peninsula is what prompted the attacks of 911. The response from Chris Wallace was to pose his own follow up question which was, “So you are saying you would take your marching orders from al Qaeda?”
“Are you kidding me? The inherent bias in the question was disgusting during a debate forum and Chris Wallace revealed himself as nothing but a whore for the machine and not a credible newsperson. Thankfully, Dr. Paul was up to the task by responding that he would take his marching orders from the Constitution.”
http://www.libertyvideos.com/2007/09/06/hannity-lies-to-discredit-ron-paul-after-debate/
Ron Paul won the Fox and MSNBC polls (again)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18963731/
Yeah, vote for more selfishness and greed, a lack of empathy and caring for your fellow man. Create a system of every-man-for-himself. Nickel and dime yourselves in a society where you only pay for what you want to pay for, not what you use.
That will be a great way to accelerate the downfall of the country. That makes us nihilists very happy.
The devils are afraid..that's why they giggle. Let em laugh. Ron Paul smashed em. People scream approval every time Dr. Paul speaks, watch the roaches flinch on the video when the crowd erupts for Paul. The media picks have never seen anything like this, they don't know what to do, so they mock and giggle. Just like the bubble graph...denial, anger, fear, panic.
It's OK sweetpotato, no one is going to try to enlighten you to that which we Ron Paul supporters see so clearly. It would be like teaching sheep to dance.
Can't we have a strong military protecting our country, without being engaged offshore?
Sweetpotato said..
"I dont get Ron Paul...
Maybe this will help, RP says pull out of Iraq, and here's how the reply from the idiot who said "Well pull out when we want not when Al-Qaida says so" comes across and how the rest of the world sees Americans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlD860o8OBA
This is from the early 80s, and politics is no different between class president elections where the answer to thought provoking questions is "San Demas highschool football rules" and POTUS elections with "America, f*ck yeah"
I amashamed he is a member of my party.
Get rid of the CIA? Get rid of the FBI? He wants people to carry guns on planes? Speaking as a 10+year member of the NRA who flies 20-30 times a year, I think that is absurd, no wait, absurd is too light a word, insane is more like it.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what he says. He is a sideshow. An entertaining one, granted, but a sideshow nonetheless. He is the GOP version of Jesse Jackson or Dennis Kucinich. He gets media attention because he is the circus clown.
And like Kucinich and Jackson he will get about 1% of the vote.
PS: What is this 9/11 talk about Arabs learning to fly and the FBI failing at its job? I thought all the Ron Paul supporters are convinced 9/11 was an inside job....like I said, a circus clown.
i support paul on reducing spending, getting out of iraq and securing our borders. but completely axing the CIA, FBI and IRS aint gonna happen. also our efforts in afghanistan are legitimate. propping up the dollar is a good thing, replacing it with gold nuggets aint gonna happen.
I have been a life-long liberal democrat that has voted party lines exclusively. I now am leaning for a GOP candidate for president. If my Father were alive right now, he would remove any trace of my limb in the family tree.
RP in 2008!
"*second try*
Dear Keith,
I made a decision to watch the Republican presidential debate last night on Fox
Only to see who ‘Ron Paul’ is.
I was interested to see what he’s about because you have been promoting him here on HP.
I’m not really sure were to begin.
To say that he’s a total looser is an understatement
To say that I’m beyond surprised that you support him is also an understatement.
I just don’t get it …….. the Ron Paul that I saw last night does not appear capable
to manage his thermostat in his own living room, let alone be a leader of a country.
I believe they mentioned that he’s been a representative for the state of Texas for like 10 years (or 10 terms, not sure, but what are they smoking in Texas?).
Do you think he’s smart cause he advocates that people begin using gold and silver coins and not paper money, like they did about a thousand years ago?
WTF?
Pleeze explain why you support this guy.
I personally would not trust him in my house even when I’m home.
This guy looks and sounds spooky.
Man, I just don’t get it."
UHM HELLOOOOO MCFLY, we were on the gold standard in 1970. So a little over 30 years ago we were still using gold as a backer to our money. You are the loony one since you obviously no nothing about this country. Let me guess, you're from Alabama.
"I amashamed he is a member of my party.
Get rid of the CIA? Get rid of the FBI? He wants people to carry guns on planes? Speaking as a 10+year member of the NRA who flies 20-30 times a year, I think that is absurd, no wait, absurd is too light a word, insane is more like it.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what he says. He is a sideshow. An entertaining one, granted, but a sideshow nonetheless. He is the GOP version of Jesse Jackson or Dennis Kucinich. He gets media attention because he is the circus clown.
And like Kucinich and Jackson he will get about 1% of the vote.
PS: What is this 9/11 talk about Arabs learning to fly and the FBI failing at its job? I thought all the Ron Paul supporters are convinced 9/11 was an inside job....like I said, a circus clown."
NEWSFLASH, there are already guns on the plane, it's called air marshals. DUH! He said airlines should improve security, not the government. Maybe if we didn't rely on the government for every single stupid thing in our life we wouldn't be in the mess that we are. Wake up clown!
guns are on planes now in the hands of trained marshalls. what this dolt proposes is allowing everyone to carry one. great idea, 50 drunks carrying loaded guns at 30,000 feet.
And you wonder why this guy's poll numbers are below whole numbers.
Ron Paul's position is that Airlines protect their property and their passengers. If they want to allow pilots to carry guns, they should be able to. (I believe right now the pilots can not carry guns, even stun guns!)
If they want to allow passengers to carry guns, they can too, but most likely they would just have pilots carry them. You guys are completely misunderstanding him, but that's ok - freedom is a foggy concept these days!
Airlines should be held accountable for security. We should have a choice - how can we hold the TSA bureaucrats accountable for banning stuff like tennis racquets and toothpaste and taking our shoes off? What's next?
September 7, 2007
Has this been a hectic and encouraging time! First we got almost 17% in
the Texas straw poll, an event set-up to represent the establishment,
with very restrictive voting rules. That 17% of the Republican
hierarchy would support our views, after a full day of pro-war propaganda, is
good news. Then we won the more open Maryland Republican straw poll with
28%. In both cases, as usual, hard-working, well-organized volunteers
made all the difference.
The Fox debate was a lot of fun as well. It's true that a few of the
network people are not exactly with us on foreign or domestic policy
(though one famous guy whispered to me that he is a libertarian), but the
audience-with lots of students from the University of New Hampshire-was
definitely fair and balanced, as their enthusiastic reaction showed.
My opponents called for more war, more torture, more secret prisons,
more eavesdropping, more presidential power. Some seemed to identify the
government and the people as if they were one entity. But you and I
know that once the government moves beyond its very limited constitutional
mandate, it is an opponent of the people, a rip-off operation that
takes our money and our freedom and our social peace, and gives us a mess
of statist pottage in return.
The government failed miserably on 911 to protect us, despite spending
trillions. So the answer was supposed to be the giant, socialist
Department of Homeland Security, protecting you and me from taking our
toothpaste on the airplane. I was ridiculed for saying that the airlines,
which know best how to protect their property, should have been allowed to
arm their pilots. But then, you and I really believe in the Second
Amendment. It is not just a political slogan for us.
When I discussed the blowback that came from us intervening on the
Arabian peninsula, Chris Wallace asked me if I wanted to follow the
marching orders of al-Qaeda. I responded that I wanted to follow the marching
orders of the Constitution, and not wage undeclared, aggressive wars
that cause us only trouble. This is a mystifying to some, of course, but
not to more and more Americans.
There was much talk of taxes, and a pledge not to raise rates. But as
usual, I was not allowed to discuss my lifelong pledge to abolish the
income tax. Just holding the line, when the government takes such vast
sums through an illegitimate guilty-until-proven-innocent system, is
hardly enough. We need to slash taxes and spending if we are to have a
future of prosperity for ourselves and our families.
After the debate, many young people gathered around the stage to
discuss our ideas and ask questions about them (and to have me sign their
badges). My colleagues got no such response, and after a few moments,
"security" ordered me off the stage. Can't have any such demonstration of
interest in liberty.
But the young are with us, and so are Americans of every stripe. Even
party officials. When one of my opponent said it was OK to lose
elections through supporting the Iraq war, that set party people's teeth on
edge, and rightly so. The Republican party is shrinking. We need new
people. It's either our ideas or President Hillary, and more and more people
recognize it.
But the media, and everyone else, will be looking at fundraising totals
at the end of this month. They'll judge us by how we do. And we need
help to wage what we hope will be a full-scale, 50-state campaign.
Please help me head into the next quarter fully armed to do battle for
freedom, peace and prosperity. Make your most generous contribution
https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/. This Revolution is on the move,
but it very much needs your support.
Sincerely,
Ron
THIS NEEDS IT'S OWN THREAD
http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=139&a=3401
Wall Street hides impact of sub-prime mortgage meltdown
_________________________________
Excerpt from article is below:
"While according to ABAlert, what Merrill did with investments in the sub-prime market estimated at $15 billion is not yet known. 'One often-cited theory is that the bank transferred the banged-up investments from an available-for-sale account within its brokerage unit to a hold to maturity portfolio at affiliate Merrill Lynch Bank in late June.'"
“'Such a move,' the article continues, 'would have enabled the company to follow friendlier accounting procedures, since the contents of the for-sale portfolio must be marked to market [assigned a value based on what they would fetch at current market rates] on a routine basis and the values of assets in the hold book don’t have to be updated until they come due or are sold.'”
It sounds like America is following the practices of Japan when their own banks went insolvent during the '90s....
Ron Paul is a Weasel.
He really is NOT a Libertarian or a Republican or a Conservative.
If you really listen between the lines of what he is saying you will notice
An Islametised French message.
It goes kinda like this.
‘ we dumb Americans have no integrity, we shall not stand up and defend our way of life,
we shall not stand up and defend our allies, we have no roots, we shall only do things that make us ‘look’ good, right and wrong, good and bad are all the same, success is evil, etc.etc.
its about killing this great country softly.
We aught not jump and support him before we understand who is really funding him.
Please only reply after investigating were his funding really comes from, you will then understand his real message.
As an HPer I naturally agree with a lot of things he says, but my gut tells me, he does not have the citizens of the USA in his best interest.
"We dumb Americans have no integrity, we shall not stand up and defend our way of life, we shall not stand up and defend our allies, we have no roots, we shall only do things that make us ‘look’ good, right and wrong, good and bad are all the same, success is evil, etc., etc."
You need to re-read the Constitution and the positions of our founding fathers. "No entangling alliances" was one of Washington's core tenets. So was the maintenance of a "very limited" standing army, to avoid this whole "Superpower" moniker, of which supporting same has been a huge waste of money and resources.
There is simply no reason why we need to be spending the budget we do on military spending in peacetime. Multiple army bases in Italy, for chrissake? Are you happy your children's education and your parent's social security are at risk to keep those open?
-PM
I don't want a national ID card, I don't want my privacy invaded by government. I dont want my tax money wasted.
I do want the constitution.
PM,
In a perfect world you would be right.
Some of us have learned lessons from the past.
Unfortunately there are ambitious, strong and smart people out there, who would very much like to have your land, gold and your wife. The thing that’s holding them back from grabbing all that is = yes you guessed it ‘our bombs’..
With no military and no allies the king of Saud or Mr. Putin may just have a few more palaces and a few more woman.
If the good people don’t stand, then no need to worry much about our children’s education they will all learn to be good servants of the ruler.
Divestment,
I totally agree!
My issue is that RP has no backbone and under his leadership this Country may go from bad to a lot worse.
(RP gets paid to mention the word 'constitution' often)
Guess who funds him
Who funds RP? The public. Who funds all the other candidates?Pharmaceuticals, oil companies, etc. Corporatism. Go troll elsewhere potato head.
Ron Paul is going to win.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDtLv3I_UaY
What are you people smoking?? You want me to believe RP is acting on behalf of the Islamists??? Just because he has a different philosophy than his idiot GOP counterparts you label him as an Islamist sympathizer. Then by the same token, you must be Israeli. Get a clue.
A few idiots are playing Chris Wallace on this thread trying to twist Ron Paul positions to make him look bad. It's not gonna work, crooks. Here's why:
1) He never advocated passengers taking guns on airplanes. His position is that the *airlines* should have the right to protect their private property and their passengers as they see fit, for instance by allowing pilots or other crew members access to guns on board. The federal government should have no say on this matter.
2) Regarding the CIA and the FBI, as far as I know Ron Paul has only suggested that the CIA could be at least reduced in size, especially if you change foreign policy towards non-interventionism and eliminate useless wasteful programs like the "war on drugs".
A lot of CIA's activities are border line, if not flat out, criminal; like financing and supporting military coups, political assassination, drug smuggling, and other delightful actions beyond US borders, which more often than not blow back on American people's face. As for the FBI, I've never heard anything about its elimination coming from Ron Paul's mouth (only Chris Wallace's).
3) He won't take us back to the old gold standard overnight. What he's repeatedly said is that he would legalize competition between fiat Fed money and a hard asset backed money system (gold and silver), leaving the market to sort out which one is best. In other words, make gold and silver legal tender again. Simple as that.
4) As far as Ron Paul being a pacifist or an idealist, that's just bullshit. He is more than willing to go to war if there's a REAL threat to national security provided that it's done in a CONSTITUTIONAL manner, i.e. war declaration signed by Congress.
So to all of you naysayers and haters: we know who you are, we know where you come from, we know and have suffered your twisted worldview for decades, we see how you're eroding the foundations of America, but we won't take it anymore. This time there's a true American running for office and his name is Ron Paul.
"sweet potato said...
Divestment,
I totally agree!
My issue is that RP has no backbone and under his leadership this Country may go from bad to a lot worse.
(RP gets paid to mention the word 'constitution' often)
Guess who funds him "
Let me guess, the constitution is "just a god damn piece of paper" huh?
hint: that quote came from Bush.
I'm with Fred.
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