May 07, 2007

Thinking of taking some time off and riding out the crash? Here's the top 50 cities in the world for quality of life


After London in the next year or two I'll be taking some time off, doing some travelling (and renting) and riding out the crash. Here's a list I found put together based on "quality of life" metrics like safety, education, health care, travel, etc. And I just love lists.

Unfortunately, "how far your dollar goes" is not one of the criteria evidently! Anyway, enjoy the list, and for those with experience in any of these cities, chime in.

Gee, Detroit didn't make it this year. Oh well, always next year...

The world's top cities offering the best quality of life (in order 1 to 50)
Zurich
Geneva
Vancouver
Vienna
Auckland
Düsseldorf
Frankfurt
Munich
Bern
Sydney
Copenhagen
Wellington
Amsterdam
Brussels
Toronto
Berlin
Melbourne
Luxembourg
Ottawa
Stockholm
Perth
Montreal
Nürnberg
Calgary
Hamburg
Oslo
Dublin
Honolulu
San Francisco
Adelaide
Helsinki
Brisbane
Paris
Singapore
Tokyo
Lyon
Boston
Yokohama
London
Kobe
Barcelona
Madrid
Osaka
Washington DC
Chicago
Portland
Lisbon
New York City
Milan
Seattle

84 comments:

gwk said...

They are rioting in Paris Suburbs and New York City is almost last?

Anonymous said...

Those are all pretty obvious. As you travel, I'm sure you'll come across lots of pleasant, smaller next-tier cities like Strasbourg or Tolousse (sp?) in France.

tim73 said...

Every time there is a riot in the US, people starts shooting each other and it is deadly serious.

In Europe it is mostly bunch of punks throwing bottles and setting cars on fire and police firing tear gas and rubber bullets (like "yearly" Berlin riots in early May).

Homicide rates in major US cities are usually about 5-10 times worse than in European cities.

Wonky said...

My wife and I moved to Tokyo from Boston last year. One of the main reasons we did it was to wait out the bubble! And don't believe the BS, the cost of living here is actually very cheap! It's only expensive if you try and live your life the same way you'd do it in America...buying a gas guzzler, eating nothing but giant steaks, etc. And the $7 coffee is only found in fancy schmancy hotels frequented by foreigners who then go back to their countries and believing that all coffee in Japan is seven bucks.

shtove said...

Barcelona below Dublin? Are you sure the list wasn't compiled by bubble realtors? Barcelona is everything a city should be. Dublin is just hoh hum.

Anonymous said...

How avoutsome more tropical places. I lived in ecuador, Quito is wonderful. Spring weather, culture, mountains all around and close to beaches and jungle resorts. Its surely cheaper than NY or oslo.

trashwacker said...

What??!!!?

No Phoenix? Everybody wants to move here a Realtor just told me.

Anonymous said...

There is talk of Perth disappearing due to their seemingly endless drought, Abd why choose a city?

Media Retards said...

Get real moron. Washington, DC is the 3rd most dangerous city in the United States due to violent crime.

Anonymous said...

Vancouver, Sydney, Perth all have huge real estate booms like the U.S. At least the Auzzies haven't bought a whole lot of U.S. debt.

Personally I'd like to know more about Switzerland. Or Brasilia.

You're right though: how could they have NYC on their and not Detroit?

Anonymous said...

How's about Carlyle, Illinois?

Anonymous said...

Honolulu?!?

That's like the transvestite hooker capitol of the world!!!

Anonymous said...

San Diego
Madison, WI (in the summer, anyway)

Your evil twin said...

USA, USA, USA! Best place to live. Dream the American-Dream, Monster SUVs, free meals, etc. pp.

Stay where you are my american friends. Just pay up your lousy subprime-ARM-whatever-exotic mortgages and keep shooting your neighbors down the street with your sawn-off shotguns. Everything is going to turn out fine. Either "The Secret", "the Rupture" or fabulous David Lereah is going to save you.

BTW, don't even think about moving to Europe. You'd be bitterly disappointed. Absolutely nothing to see overhere.

I repeat: F**KING STAY WHERE YOU ARE AND SUCK IT UP!

Mort said...

Keith, you puss, you would make safety number one. Why are you so afraid all the time? Helsinki, Finland? I hear Antarctica is nice and safe too. Maybe you should hide under the bed now.

Anonymous said...

Isn't this just a list of cities most congenial to socialism? I haven't noticed a mad rush of people moving from NYC to Calgary, despite the "free" medical care. Have you?

Anonymous said...

Las Vegas people all you can eat!

And what happens here stays here.

Anonymous said...

i second madison, wi. Well, during the summer. There is not a better city in the US.... As I said, during the summer.

Anonymous said...

Oh no--the secret is out! Adelaide rocks! Moved here from U.S. and it is amazing! Sydney is amazing. U.S cities don't come close!

Hayley said...

Keith you can't just go around celebrating your success without prefacing it properly (i.e.,

(A) I have been working so hard on this GD Blog and it's making me miserable so I'm...

(B) "going to take some time off to travel the world."

You can't just go straight to (B), as you can see it brings out the little green blogsters.

Anonymous said...

Incidentally, I had the misfortune of living in Miami, was lucky to live in D.C. burbs and Austin. Now as for D.C. being dangerous--its only the district in the Southewest quadrant. The D.C. burbs espeically Montgomery County and Fairfax County are the most affluent and high quality places in the U.S.---good thing twits think that D.C. is dangerous makes for less morons--the qualtiy of life refers to the Metropolitna area of 5 million not the small part of D.C. (D.C. is only 10% of the pop of the metro area) Now live in Australia--Sydney. I tell you the ranking caputures is pretty well. Austin used to be cool but now is getting upleasant. D.C. despite the bad rep is pretty nice and interesting city. It has some problems but it does have an amazing number of hyper-educated people and great arts and culture. Miami is a vile 3rd world shithole. I could do D.C. again if I had to, but otherwise Australia is really nice, civilized, safe, lots of free things to do and the ciites are very, very pretty. Next year--Milan.

Anonymous said...

Talk about people not knowing anything:

Media Retards said...
Get real moron. Washington, DC is the 3rd most dangerous city in the United States due to violent crime.

May 07, 2007 1:14 PM

Yes, D.C. is dangerous if you are in the District in the Southwest part of town. The rest of the area is among the safest in the country and D.C. is only a very small part of the D.C. Metro area. Check data for Montgomery County and Fairfax County and Arlington Coutny and see what you come up with--god you are stupid.

Anonymous said...

A US tard said:

Isn't this just a list of cities most congenial to socialism? I haven't noticed a mad rush of people moving from NYC to Calgary, despite the "free" medical care. Have you?

No there are not a bunch of people moving from NYC to Calgary or anywhere in canada, NZ, Aus, becuase immigration is based on a point system where we only allow highly skilled people to immigrate. We do not let any ol pedro or juan in. If you are rich, you can come in too. Thats why there is no rush to Canada, NZ or Aus......

Pat's Steak said...

Sign me up for Copenhagen. Great city, need to go back for some Hagan Daas, Legos, and BEER.

keith said...

Hayley, here's my take

You get 77.6 years (average). Most folks choose a linear path (school, work, work harder, buy lots of stuff, work even harder, stop working, die).

Many folks live places they don't want to live and do things they don't want to do because they "have to".

Most folks feel they "have to" because they have taken on so many expenses (i.e. that massive mortgage), and they have to work night and day to pay for it

And many folks slave away so they can enjoy their time when they're old. Uh, how about enjoying your time when you're not old too?

Some choose a different path. And it's not about money. I think someone living in a tent on the beach working at a surf shop is possibly even happier than the guy working on wall street 80 hours a week with a massive mortgage and flashy car. Not that I'd enjoy living in a tent.. I'm just saying

77.6 years. Use 'em wisely.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
i second madison, wi. Well, during the summer. There is not a better city in the US.... As I said, during the summer.

May 07, 2007 2:52 PM
************
Madison is nice with Lake Mendota and Lake Menona and all of the bars inbetween, but most folks don't know about Vancouver, WA. Washington has no state income tax and Oregon has no sales tax. Vancouver is on the border. So live in WA and buy everything in Portland and pay no state or sales tax. Further, one gets all of the outdoor beauty of the Pacific northwest: 1 hour to the ocean, 1 hour to the Cascade mountains, mild climate, and less rain the Chicago in a year. It's also pretty cheap cost of living wise. A sub-prime lender there just went bust last week, so there's probably a bunch of crappy loans about. But it's a city of about 250,000. And Portland is just across the bridge.

Anonymous said...

Las Vegas?!?

Yeah right.

What was the disaster flick from the late '70s starring Jan Michael Vincent? Oh yeah, "Damnation Alley", where Vincent drives through a post apocalyptic wasteland in a souped up rv. That's Vegas, after the bust and during the water shortage.

Anonymous said...

I just turned down a job offer in Oslo to stay in San Francisco bay area. Yes, I have some regrets. But I had lived in Oslo for 4 years (married to a Norwegian). There are many wonderful things about living and working in Norway: 5 weeks off a year, pay is fairly close to USA for tech fields, good working envirnment, etc. Life can be good in Oslo. But it can also be very hard. Which is probably why so many natives drown themselves at the bottom of a glass of beer. The summers are great, the winters nice when the sun shines. The natural beauty of the place is staggering. Downsides and why I didn't go back: cost of living is punishingly sky high. Even if you are paid in Kroners. Housing situation is as bad or even worst than San Francisco bay area and what you pay for is just terrible. Most of the housing near the city center was built around the turn of the century...the last century!..most still with the original plumbing. Taxes are just crushing on everything from income to anything you can buy. Gas is $8.00 a gallon (about $7.50 of that is some form of tax). That is if you can afford to buy a car. Taxes on some large engine cars can be as high as 125%. That's right...you pay more than twice what you would in the USA, and most of that is tax. Free medical, but unless you are dying take a number and wait a very long time for service. My ex-mother-and-law has been on the wait list for back surgery since I've known her (1994). They only have 4.5 million people in the entire country with an utterly huge revenue stream from both oil and natural gas. So I am totally confused why everyone has to pay such staggeringly high taxes. Everybody should be rich in that country but most struggle financially. In that respect it's like living in some kind of twilight zone. With a huge money carrot dangling over everyone. I use to kid my wife that they must be buring all that money in the ground somewhere. They have something called the oil fund where they invest some of the income from oil revenues, but what they ought to be doing in re-distributing the wealth and diversifing their industry instead of acting like some tight-fisted granny, socking away money for a rainy day that never comes, supposely for the greater good of everyone. But try telling that to a socialist. What is true socialism but communism without a gun?

The healthy lifestyle that Norwegians are famous for is slowly disappearing. But the outdoors is still a popular place. There are so many great places to go in Norway. The southern coast or Sorlandet is my favorite. With the exception of the very short sunlite days in Winter Oslo and Norway in general can be a great place to live, but expect to pay a heavy, heavy, price for it.

Mort said...

Typical elitist drivel.

Anonymous said...

This is a vry Eurocentric list. Boring!!!!

Bitter Renter said...

You forgot to tell them that if you live in Vancouver WA and work in Oregon, you'll pay the full Oregon income tax. A likely scenario since the jobs are in Portland.

If we didn't charge income tax to those who live in Washington, everyone would cluster on the Washington side. Sounds peachy until you realize that this is the fantasy of a deadbeart who doesn't want to pay a cent to support his society.

As for the socialist places having a better qulaity of life: We socialists knew that a long time ago. In America, the most desirable cities are the most liberal ones. The least desirable cities are bland, boring and void of any character, exactly what one would expect of a place inhabited by conservatives.

Anonymous said...

Keith'
In my local newspaper on Saturday The Patriot Ledger(south of Boston newspaper) HousingPanic got mentioned in relation to David Lereah resigning and your April Fools prank. I said to myself "I read that blog"
Jake

Anonymous said...

To follow up on my comments about life in Oslo...they are also in the middle of a housing bubble over there. But the scary difference is that they have a law that states you must own your home for two years before you can sell it without paying some kind of investors tax. At least that's how I remember it. It's to avoid speculation in the housing market. Honestly, I don't know how many Norwegians in Oslo can afford housing. Something like sub-prime loans must be going on. I haven't lived there since 2000 (I still visit 2-3 times a year for my daughter so I stay on top of things there) and my wife handled most of the documents as they were in Norwegian. When we bought our place in West Oslo in in 1997 it cost us 2.9 million kroner. Today that house is worth probably double. Maybe even more. Luckily for her she still owns it. (the wife always gets the house after a divorce right?). Okay, it's on Trosterveien, which is in a very desirable area, but it's still an example of a housing market gone absolutely nuts.

Anonymous said...

Carlyle Ill?

Great value for your travel dollar!

One day seems like 3!

waiting for crash in Seattle said...

Haagen Dazs is produced in New Jersey. The company was founded in the Bronx, New York -- not Denmark. I would rank Scandanavian food (including Iceland) as the WORST on this planet just below Papua New Guinea. And weather in Oslo is damn too cold.

Anyway, the quality of life issue can be so subjective that experts who come up with these lists need to place the cities into multiple categories -- like how colleges are ranked by state, private, national, liberal arts, etc...

Also many of the cities (countries) you've listed spend very little on military and divert their budget towards things that make life better for their citizens -- like public health, education and maintaining their physical infrastructures.

Anonymous said...

Media Retards said...
Get real moron. Washington, DC is the 3rd most dangerous city in the United States due to violent crime.


Well maybe its that way BECAUSE they have gun laws, I say remove the gun laws and crime in DC will drop to zero.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Honolulu?!?

That's like the transvestite hooker capitol of the world!!!

- and thats a bad thing. my next post is from Honolulu.

Anonymous said...

how horribly elitist. who can afford to live there? give us places where we can afford to live.

Frank said...

Hmm, outside of Chicago which is a great city and affordable for what you get, I have to strongly disagree with all the rest.

Forbes names Seattle the most overpriced city in America ... not the most expensive, but most overpriced, meaning you pay way too much for what you get. I've been to Seattle and to me it was just as mind-numbing and empty-headed as Phoenix, but with worse weather and ruder people. I'd go back to living in Vegas or Phoenix before Seattle. It's the bottom of the barrel.

New York is a great city, but quality of life? Come on. It's dirty, overcrowded, and was named the 2nd most stressful place to live in America. Not to mention that it's outrageously overpriced. High state tax, city tax, ad nauseum. And crime is back on the rise with Mr. Giuliani gone.

San Francisco? Maybe if you're a rainbow wearing, pot smoking liberal hippie who wants to ban capitalism and socialize healthcare while stealing from the rich to give to the poor. (Oh yeah and give our money away in the form of a homedebtor bailout too.) And the weather sucks and it's dirty.

As for European cities, they're great if you're a worker bee who wants to take advantage of their socialist system, but for an entrepreneur like me? No thanks. Outside of the US I'd only consider Australia and New Zealand. Europe can have their socialism.

Boston is rude as hell. Great history and all that, but it's full of elitist snobs. Might be nice for a blue blood college boy who wants to play that game but not a self-made entrepreneur like myself.

Enough of my rant. I've seen Vegas and Phoenix consistently come up at the top of these "best places" lists so that goes to show how accurate they really are.

Frank said...

Well maybe its that way BECAUSE they have gun laws, I say remove the gun laws and crime in DC will drop to zero.

Agreed. A town in Georgia recently began requiring all adult citizens who are not concientious objectors to carry guns.

The crime rate now? ZERO.

I read a survey of convicted felons, asking then what their greatest fear is. It's not the death penalty, or prison, or the police, or any of that.

Their greatest fear is an armed victim.

It's been proven in every state that has legalized concealed carry that more guns equal less crime. I don't know why the liberals insist on distorting this fact and trying to hide it.

Anonymous said...

Bitter Renter said...
You forgot to tell them that if you live in Vancouver WA and work in Oregon, you'll pay the full Oregon income tax. A likely scenario since the jobs are in Portland.

If we didn't charge income tax to those who live in Washington, everyone would cluster on the Washington side. Sounds peachy until you realize that this is the fantasy of a deadbeart who doesn't want to pay a cent to support his society.
*********

There are a lot of jobs for the area in Portland. There are also many in Vancouver though. And if you work for a national employer who flies you in once a month from where ever, who cares? I know not many have this situation, but it makes Vancouver a good deal.

By the way, all gas in Oregon is full serve, adding a dime or more to each gallon. And despite having no sales tax, prices still frequently end in 99 or 98.

As to not paying to support governmental services... my Lord, change the taxing structure! Having all income tax in Oregon makes the budget highly susceptible to recessions. It's also hostile to capital gains from investments. But you were going to tell folks that, right?

Anonymous said...

+++++OK, these places sound great to live. But unless a person has a LOT of money, how can he/she afford to emigrate and live in one of the cities on this list?

Anonymous said...

Exactly the DC area is way tooo expensive to buy property in at the moment and people here are still in deep denial a crash is coming! They think it is only a problem in Nevada, Florida and Michigan.

Here is the DC/NOVA/MD mentality: "not here..not my town..not my block...not my house etc. Otherwise I like it here but don't want to rent the rest of my life or purchase an overpriced condo.

--from a 30 year old fence sitter. Yes I am married and I have an MA.

Anonymous said...

if seattle is #50, then i would hate to live anywhere outside of the top 49...

Anonymous said...

How can cold, boring and smelly Calgary be ranked above Barcelona?

Anonymous said...

Most any city in the 1st world has nice areas, crappy areas and everything in between. These rankings are a waste of time.

Bitter Renter said...

Well maybe its that way BECAUSE they have gun laws, I say remove the gun laws and crime in DC will drop to zero.

--------

St. Louis has a right-to-carry law and is still one of the most violent, crime-infested places in the country.

Anonymous said...

"how horribly elitist. who can afford to live there? give us places where we can afford to live."

Well, for small cities I like Burlington, VT. Housing is more or less reasonable (though somewhat inflated by equity nomads like myself) and city is walkable, though the surrounding burbs are not. Crime is low, sunsets on the lake are beautiful, and skiing/hiking is just a half an hour away.

But given that the property bubble is global, very few places are affordable for average shmoes right now. That will be fixed soon.

Mike F said...

Melbourne rocks!

I grew up in NYC, and I love it, and encourage people to go visit, but for raising a family and general quality of life, no contest.

Plus, World's Best Mayor. http://www.worldmayor.com/

BTW, housing bubble/boom here as well, but some of the characteristics are not the same (No flipping, rent/mortgage ratio more or less stable), so I don't know what the future will bring.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad that you left out one of the best cities to live, according to personal experience, major travel magazines, New York Times, UN, Washington Post, LA Times, etc.

I really don't want that herd of loud and uncivilized American Baby Boomers screwing the place up, as usual. It's a best kept secret, but still very few Americans are finding their way there, along with Italians, French, Swiss, Swedish, Australians, Spaniards, Brits, etc.

Plus the dollar is somewhat strong there, the real estate is reasonably cheap, nice cultural scene, amazing entertainment, weather is the best, and lots and lots of hot women. Keep going to those cities on Keith's list, because we don't want anyone else in our little paradise.

Anonymous said...

Please note that Americans who never take their arse out of their red states, or the only "cultural" places they have ever visited are Disneyworld or Nascar, shouldn't give an opinion about the cities on Keith's list. Karl Rove loves people like you, BTW.

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't touch an American red state even with David Lereahs dic*.

Anonymous said...

Nashville, IL is a nice little town and not too far from Carlyle.

Anonymous said...

I love French Camp, MS

Go Panthers!

Anonymous said...

Outside of the downtown/ mall area, DC is nothing but another St. Louis with extra traffic and extra yuppies.

Name one thing about DC that is special other than having the distinction of being the epicenter of lawyers, corruption, and incompetence. Didn't think so.

YoungExec2B said...

Having lived in Vancouver, Toronto and Ottawa, I can safely say that I've found quality of life most enjoyable in Ottawa, but that's probably just me.

Anonymous said...

I am fairly certain that the Vancouver on the list refers to Cananda not Washington state. I have to agree that Vancouver, Canada is beautiful.

Bitter Renter said...

Dear Anonymous:

Full service gas in Portland doesn't add a thing to the price. Sorry. Last summer we made the national news for having the cheapest gas at one point blowing to hell that whole theory.

Decrying out tax system is not addressing the deadbeat's strategy of not paying a thing to support his society. You think the trillion in Iraq came from bush's ass?

Oregon's budget suffered for years under a republican controlled legislature that ignored the democratic governors' pleas to take surpluses from good years and create a rainy deay fund instead favoring giving it back to taxpayer who then suffered with drastically reduced services, e.g., education, infrastructure, etc. Now that we have a completely democrat controlled state we cancelled the corporate refund and built that rainy day fund.

Just wait until we start charging Vancouverites a fee to cross the bridge into Portland.......

Your-a-peein said...

Why do Americans only think of Europe when they consider living outside the US? There are plenty of great places in other parts of the world, too!

Anonymous said...

can i , as a expat, buy something in those places and actually own it, or do i have to rent? i hate renting.......it is soooooo scummy and classless......:) now wearing flame suit.....fire away...

Anonymous said...

Vancouver, WA? LOL. Fukin American Retard.

Same loser thinks you are talking about Paris, Ohio

JAFO said...

So Frank, I get the odd impression that you are an entrepeneur. What exactly do you do ?

Anonymous said...

Me and a friend are buying a 2bd/2bt condo in Bangkok, Thailand. We'll share it for 1/2 the year each.

Thailand is cheap and friendly. I love it there.

Anonymous said...

You want quality of life? Then live in the city with the lowest diversity for a given country. I know that's not a very PC thing to say, but check it out, it's true.

Ed said...

When considering favorable places to
live or relocate, the geologic, oceanic,
and geopolitical forecast can be important.
With apologies to the Unrealtors in these
locations, I would think twice about
such issues for:
Tokyo; Amsterdam; Seattle-Vancouver;
SF-Sacramento; SoCal; Gulf States;
Miami; NYC/Boston; S.E. Asia;
Shanghai; London area; Honolulu;
Dublin; Marseilles; Auckland; Venice;
and many others.

MO said...

In my 35 years, I have lived in Zurich, Geneva, London, Edinburgh, Singapore, San Jose CA, Trinidad, Dubai, Grenoble and Paris.

My next targets are Cape Town and Buenos Aires.
I'm not rich, but I highly value quality of live and traveling. Want to enjoy live while still young.

So I would have to agree with this list somewhat based on my experience.

Anonymous said...

Here's a book for you to check on amazon.com: "Getting Out: Guide To Leaving America." Lots of tips in there.

Anonymous said...

I lived in Paris for a while. Good luck trying to find a decent and affordable place to rent. Cost of living is sky high there. The exchange was US$ 1 = 1.35 Euro when I lived there, and now prices must be crazy with the dollar in the toilet.

Anonymous said...

In the mean time, you can also choose your favorite European country

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Frank said...

So Frank, I get the odd impression that you are an entrepeneur. What exactly do you do ?

Author, speaker, internet marketer, and so on ... Google me sometime - "Frank Rumbauskas"

Anonymous said...

I have to agree with Frank. Chicago is the only US city on the list worth living in. SF is scenic and close to the ocean, but it's way overpriced and unfriendly. Chicago has miserable winters, but at least the city is designed for it. I think people in SF have actually deluded themselves into believing that the chilly, foggy weather is perfect, so you're stuck with exposed terminals and boardwalks. Seattle has the worst weather of any city. NYC is too big and impersonal. Fun, but no real quality of life.

Anonymous said...

What is state income tax for Oregon now? 10%?

Bitter Renter said...

State income tax in Oregon is around 9%. Property taxes are held low by a ballot measure passed years ago. That pushed more taxes onto income. But there is no sales tax. Think about what you save when you buy a car.

Anonymous said...

frank,

Agree 100% with you. Seattle, Boston and SF...great places if you are a liberal trust fund baby. Good luck if you want to start a business though. On the other hand Phoenix or Las Vegas sucks for the trust fund do-gooder set but is great if you're looking to start or expand a business.

AL_QWEEFER has been in London too long and doesn't see socialism for the cancer it truly is.

Anonymous said...

Lakeside Calif.

Meth is cheap and plentiful......so are the women!

Mark back in San Diego said...

Just returned to San Diego from 3 weeks in Zurich - I cleaned 3 weeks of grime off my outside deck with a paper towel, and it was BLACK - in Zurich, I wiped the windowsill once in three weeks, and there was no dirt at all. . .that says everything I need to know - filthy air in the USA - And don't give me crap about Southern Calif - I lived in Canton Ohio - filthy air, NYC (no need to even mention air quality) soot on the window every day . . .no wonder Zurich is number one! . . .I would actually drink water directly out of the Limat river passing through town. . .

Ed said...

I dig classy broads; not boobs.

I fell in love about 50 times in
one hour at Boston's South Station watching the girls go by.

But that was a long time ago.

borkafatty said...

Boston...I beg to differ I live 20 miles north of Boston....and well to be frank, the traffic sucks, and the place is an utter shit hole.

anon e. moose said...

Wow, Seattle made the list. Even if one gets accustomed to the weather, there is one other issue - TRAFFIC. The morons that run the city can't figure out what to do but to widen highways and build new on and off ramps. Reminds me of LA, highways everywhere and everybody's stuck.
The scenery is pretty, when the sun shines.

Anonymous said...

DONT KNOW NOTHIN, BUT THAT ALL YOU CAN EAT IN lAS vEGAS DOES SOMTHIN FOR ME, ESPECIALY IF THE PRICES HAVE NOT GONE UP FROM THE STEAL THEY WERE

Anonymous said...

"St. Louis has a right-to-carry law and is still one of the most violent, crime-infested places in the country. "


Yep, we like to keep our Wild West heritage alive and kicking here in the old St. Lou.


P.S. we've all got really bad breath too.

Anonymous said...

"DONT KNOW NOTHIN, BUT THAT ALL YOU CAN EAT IN lAS vEGAS DOES SOMTHIN FOR ME, ESPECIALY IF THE PRICES HAVE NOT GONE UP FROM THE STEAL THEY WERE"

Weren't you in that Deliverance flick? You know, the funny looking guy with the banjo.

Anonymous said...

"On the other hand Phoenix or Las Vegas sucks for the trust fund do-gooder set but is great if you're looking to start or expand a business."

I wouldn't touch Phoenix or Las Vegas even with David Lereah's dic*,

Anonymous said...

In my opinion, any city in America sucks if you don't have the opportunity to get away often. I happen to live in Miami but travel often to South America and Europe for work and pleasure. Miami sucks for a lot of people, but I don't feel it much since I live front to the beach and travel overseas a lot. Miami for me is a convenient base. Lots of parties, boating, hot women, good logistics. Any place sucks if you are stuck in a low paying bad job.