Yep, unless this ship gets righted and righted soon, the USS America is heading over the abyss.
Some dolt legislator in Arizona, Krysten Sinema, is introducing a bill that would make the Minuteman Project illegal, the group formed to help the government uphold and enforce our immigration laws labeled a "Domestic Terrorist Organization".
So, you got it, those fighting to uphold the laws will be deemed illegal and terrorists, while those BREAKING THE DAMN LAWS, the legislators who look the other way and the illegals themselves, go scott free.
Anyone care? Helllllooooo America - you awake?
Law would make Minutemen guilty of 'domestic terrorism
''Patrolling to detect alleged illegal activity'while carrying any weapon would be felony"
An Arizona lawmaker has introduced a bill to revise the state's statutes on organized crime and fraud by defining "domestic terrorism" in such a way that members of the Minuteman Project or other border-patrol groups could be prosecuted and forced to serve a minimum six-month jail term.
Rep. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Phoenix, introduced HB 2286 in the Arizona House on Thursday.
January 31, 2007
Now I've seen everything - bill introduced in Arizona that would make fighting to uphold immigration laws illegal
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Look, we can't allow these fascists to take the law into their own hands despite your irrational fear that the "brown hordes" are going to somehow take something from you or deny you the exclusive life you so richly deserve. This country was built on immigrants, illegal and otherwise.
I say we ship out the top 5% of the elites and keep the 12 million illegals. The illegals bring more to this culture and economy that the top TEN percent.
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Who gives a shit about some fat old men trying to scare up the vote to install their republican job seekers into taxpayer funded jobs? Maybe they should get a fucking job washing dishes or picking crops.
Its not surprising. The U.S. has been sliding into a form of bureaucratic totalitarianism for some time. The income tax was established as a 1% temporary measure to help fund WWI. Now look where it is.. Ever know a guy dragged through family court? Nine times out of ten guy looses and there is no jury and there is effectively no due process for non-custodial fathers--really the deadbeat dad is a myth--sure you can get your kids but you will need some luck and about 50k. The nation is full of such examples--smoking bans in ca. Most of the sheple will buy into whatever nonsesne the MSM tells them is right. Due processes, individual freedom (hey what if I want to smoke and eat transfat foods in NYC)are constantly being sacrificed on the rationale that govt knows better. Such a shame.
By the way, the housing crash is a commin. It won't be fast and dramatic, but it will be slow, long and very painful. Think of a scenario were a house bought for 300 get appraised for 500 in a bubble area like say Miami Beach. Person now goes and refinances for the 500, pays off the 50k in creidt card debt and has 150 left. Will be able to hang on for a couple of years, maybe longer. But then it will have to be paid back and no more easy financing. Person will not be smashed right away but they will be inexorably headed toward ruin.
Might want to re-familarize yourself with these words, especially the last stanza:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
This is the biggest problem with the easiest solution. Bust a few employers in every market for hiring illegals and send the message not to hire them. Then the jobs dry up and they will stop coming. Problem solved. No need for National Guard troops on the border, the Minutemen, overrun emergency rooms, people freezing or starving to death in the desert, goofy presidential policies, etc.
I would rather vote Republican for the first time in my life than vote for her...
Hey anonymous 7:50:41....
I hope a bunch of illegals move in next to you. I also hope they bring 20 or so of their closest relatives. I think you'll find the culture to be quite charming and progressive. Between the trash that blows in from their yard, to the swarthy looking young men who sit on the porch all day and deal drugs, to the cockroach like breeding habits (financed on your own dime), I think you'll find illegals to be the American cultural ideal.
This country wasn't built on immigrants, it was built on freedom. And this retarded bill takes away the freedom to associate with like-minded people (among many other gross violations of liberty). I see no chance of this bill passing but the fact that an elected official even proposed it is itself disheartening.
And so the Government Power Grab continues.
>> Look, we can't allow these fascists to take the law into their own hands...
First, the people who have "educated" you need to be hanged. Just a wild guess here - they're stone-cold Libs.
Second, fascists? Average Joe's sitting on the border on lawn chairs, peering through binoculars?
Keith, and others, are so right - the USA is teetering at the edge of a bottomless abyss. This is going to be MUCH worse than any futuristic sci-fi movie you've ever seen. But there will be some good that comes out of it - the end of: taxes, Hollywood, professional sports, stock market, global corporations, etc.
i used to abhor the illegal immigration problem.
not anymore.
i realize now why the "invisible hand" is allowing it.
we need them illegals to spend money if we want this economy to keep chugging along. we need some demographic to replace those spend thrift baby boomers when they retire.
nice post keith.
most people just read "...the pursuit of happienss" part and stop there.
The Minutemen are doing what the govt refused to do, enforce the law of the land,
They are American heroes in the truest sense of the word much like the Freedom Riders who took it upon themselves to get the South to obey the laws against segregation in the 1960s.
The illegals are the ones breaking the law. The Congresswoman is a idiot who is supporting an illegal invasion of the United States.
Did you guys here about that border patrol patriot that SHOT AND KILLED a criminal mexican invader as he was penetrating our border a few days ago? This man (and any other who does the same) deserves the medal of honor!
The last stanza is also the reason that Americans have the "Right to bear arms". The founding fathers knew that in the event the government would ever go haywire - the citizenry needed to be able to arm themselves and abolish such a government. (Imagine if the Russians and Ukranians had such laws when Communism took hold)
The problem however, is that the government calls all such people terrorists today and has instituted laws against them.
Otherwise... it looks like the "minutemen" are having an effect - so much so that the government percieves them as an ongoing threat to its own existence.
Oh My God !
It's really getting worse.
Everyday, we sink to lower lows.
Keith maybe you ought to reread those words again before you automatically declare all Mexicans "terrorists" (you idiot), because those self-evident truths and unalienable rights apply to everyone.
You're such a dumb ass reactionary. How old are you, 70?
she wants to make sure all her cousins get into the us and take jobs from honest americans
About damn time someone stands up to these nazis.
"Some dolt legislator in Arizona, Krysten Sinema"
Funny, you didn't mention it. SHE IS A DEMOCRAT.
Marky Mark
To Keith:
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,"
A socialist lover like you is going to do that? More likely, a right winger who knows how to use a gun, wants smaller government and who is a vet (you know, someone who has some balls)
Marky Mark
this story about this crazy bitch was posted on the blog few weeks ago.
keith, don't you read your own blog?
Anon 7:50, your a fucking moron. They DO NOT take the law into their own hands, they observe and inform LE when they suspect ILLEGAL immigrants have crossed into America. Key words fuctard: ILLEGAL and DO NOT!
And once again the masses spew their bullshit. Yes, this cunt-ry was founded on immigrants - LEGAL immigrants who had to come through Ellis Island BEFORE being granted citizenship. Learn history asshole before you spew nonsensical bullshit!!!
It won't fly. Unlike the Peoples Republic of Cali, the people in AZ have more brains and bakcbone...
The last time I checked ''Patrolling to detect alleged illegal activity'while carrying any weapon would be felony" has been illegal for a while in all states.
You cannot just have regular folks implementing the laws. If we could, than I can just pick up a gun and shoot any of my enemies, claiming that they were commiting a crime "illegal activities".
I love your site, but definetely do not support you on this one Keith.
" It won't fly. Unlike the Peoples Republic of Cali, the people in AZ have more brains and bakcbone..."
But the pols in the statehouse are cut from different cloth. Do you remember what happened to the ranchers who tried to challenge illegals trespassing on their land? That's right, they were sued in federal court by liberal lawyers representing the illegals, and because of the huge fees involved, they actually lost their land to these parasites.
The "good", neutered people of AZ stood by and watched it happen. The fact that a federal judge granted standing to these people is in itself incredible.
http://tinyurl.com/2gobwr
My favorite story of "border vigilantes" is when an Arizona rancher beat up a couple border crossers and the Southern Poverty Law Center (I'm a supporter $$) sued and won them the ranch. Now the illegals OWN the vigilante's ranch!
Is that cool or what?
Anon 5:24, comrade, you don't get it do you? This proposed law applies to people carrying weapons on their own land. It's a two-fer with the state trying to abrogate both property rights and the 2nd Amendment.
Damn, these Bolsheviks have some stones! Somebody needs to check if Rep. Senima was once on the East German Olympic swim team.
The Minutemen of Arizona are the perfect example of the bigoted white trash scum composed mostly of middle-aged overweight balding "patriots". There losers, owners of small penises and fading sexual libido, have found a cause son they can pout their comical Ramboism and pseudo-macho fantasies.
These Ameri-cun mutts who think they're pure blood nativists need to get down to some trailer park swap meet to try to impress their own.
Doesn't matter if this bill goes through or not the fight was lost long time ago. All this liberal multicultural crap has led to a situation where a white man sitting in a lawn chair with binoculars is now a criminal yet a brown man sneaking into the country is a hero.
Good work libs.
Luckily I can afford to live in an area where (so far) the invasion has not reached. But I feel so bad for the working middle class families who one day wake up with 10 Mexicans next door in a 3 bedroom house. Before long the entire neighborhood is a shithole and their home is worth nothing.
All this so some Upper East Side or Bevery Hills liberal can feel good about being "tolerant" and living in a "diverse" society. Except the closest they will ever come to interacting with a Mexican is telling the gardner which plants to water.
Anon 6:38, I respect what you said but YOU CANNOT do it WITHOUT weapons and they DO NOT intimidate the UDA's. Have any of you guys ACTUALLY been to the border? Its a fucking hot zone. You carry a weapon AT ALL TIMES, even if your out for a day hike. UDA's will steal your car, and even threaten you physically. Why? Because they do not know who you are and 9 times out of 10 they assume you are their to steal their human load or worse yet you run accross drug runners who are armed to the teeth and rival US mil with their gear. Minutemen volunters have to go through a background check and most have CCW permits, so the state has sactioned them carrying weapons either open or concealed. Most cops and BP agents WELCOME the minutemen for their work!!!! This is not something you will hear openely as we are pussified nation and no one wants to sound "racist", although the two are not even related.
WHO EVER SAID THIS: Anonymous said...
My favorite story of "border vigilantes" is when an Arizona rancher beat up a couple border crossers and the Southern Poverty Law Center (I'm a supporter $$) sued and won them the ranch. Now the illegals OWN the vigilante's ranch!
Is that cool or what?
Wednesday, January 31, 2007 5:44:23 PM
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THAT ANON ABOVER IS A BLAZING IDIOT. TALK ABOUT GLOATING OVER INJUSTICE. THE SPLC IS A BUNCH OF SCUMMY LAWYERS WHO MAKE MORE MONEY THEN THE PLAINTIFFS... THEY ALSO ARE BIG PALS OF THE CLINTONS.
SCUM. SPIT SPIT.
There has got to be some kind of loop-hole that would allow the land owners to start mowing down these filthy mexican invaders in greater numbers. The time for debate IS OVER! It's time for we the people to start doing the federal governments job (protecting each state from invasion as per the Constitution) for them.
Ah, c'mon kieth,
You think the Declaration of Independence is still relevant? It's the same as the Communists claiming their purpose is to give the power back to the people. Yadda, yadda.
"Rrrinngg!" "Hello, kettle? This is keith. You're black!"
You cannot just have regular folks implementing the laws. If we could, than I can just pick up a gun and shoot any of my enemies, claiming that they were commiting a crime "illegal activities".
Patrolling to detect illegal activity is not, and shouldn't be illegal.
But, shooting somebody as an "enemy" claiming they were committing a crime, is indeed illegal. Point is that it's illegal already.
Believe it or not, I'm a liberal but I think this proposed law is plainly unconstitutional.
Indeed, by the 1st amendment, the right to be armed in a "well regulated militia" is even more explicitly protected than individual firearms ownership. The right, legal, response is to ensure protocols and procedures for this citizen's milita being "well-regulated" for the benefit of society.
That said, I'm skeptical about the underlying motives of the minutemen, but nevertheless the law must be upheld.
Do you really want these uneducated, low level, double-wide trailer, racist hicks representing the stand up American who only wants people to come here legaly (no specific beef with Mexicans)?????
I currently have a beef with being classified as what the American sees on the 11pm news: illegal, uneducated Mexicans. I am of Mexican decent but college grad and lead a decent life.
Do you really want to stand behind this group of thugs????
Maybe someone should start another sort of more 'credible' group to protest the illegals.
Just my 2 cents.
We don't want to protest the "illegals". We want to DEPORT the ones that are here, and prevent, beyond a shadow of a doubt, even one more from coming here..... That being said, some of us just plain WANT THEM DEAD!
Anon 5:44:23 PM,
You are an asshole. I know many ranchers who are just fed up. The UDA's cut there fences, and they lose their cattle. Or the UDA's drop their shit all over the desert and the cattle eat the plastic jugs and get sick or die.
UDA's, AKA "bandits" rob the houses along the border and have even burned down buildings, cars, etc. I know a rancher who got his entire house shot to shit by drug runners.
The border area is a hot zone and garbage dump all rolled into one. There are places where the trash is so high that it will reach your knees. Human feces and clothing dumped in small water supplies that feed larger wildlife tanks, etc.
>> The Minutemen of Arizona are the perfect example of the bigoted white trash scum composed mostly of middle-aged overweight balding "patriots". There losers, owners of small penises and fading sexual libido, have found a cause son they can pout their comical Ramboism and pseudo-macho fantasies.
These Ameri-cun mutts who think they're pure blood nativists need to get down to some trailer park swap meet to try to impress their own.
Anon, stop spending time on this blog and instead start spending time in a remedial English grammar & spelling class. That is all.
"Funny, you didn't mention it. SHE IS A DEMOCRAT.
Marky Mark
That's the sad thing. The Dems are simply going to complete the destruction of the U.S. that the Repukes have begun. The borders will be opened wide to help prop up the housing bubble and the government will simply guarantee people against losses on their primary residences and perhaps even their "investment" properties.
The only upside is that it'll be good for gold, at least for those of us who escape with it before it's confiscated and all saving made illegal.
Amazing:
A gun is beneficial for protection. I would rather have a glock or ar and have a chance if confronted than have nothing at all. At least, at a minimum, its a deterrance.
For the last time people!!! Where is everyone getting that the MM confronts UDA's?!?!?!? This ignorance absolutely blows me away. ONCE AND FOR ALL - THEY DO NOT CONFRONT UDA'S!!! THEY DO NOT ARREST ANYONE!!!! They observe and report. There is nothing wrong with this. They carry weapons for protection as these groups that commit or support the illegal actions do not want to be reported to the authorities.
I have been hunting and have stumbled across these groups, and yes they were armed with mil rifles. A few times the air was so thick with tension you could cut it with a knife. Not from me but from what the other party was trying to do.
There have been hunters who have been either shot at or shot for minding there own business, only to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I have a friend who came across back packers who were going to shoot him. They had fully auto weapons. The only thing that saved his ass was that he spoke spanish and pretty much pleaded with the group not to shoot him, and that he would not report them to LE.
Oh, but I forgot, these people only want to come here for a better life... yea right...
Screw these government welfare phony "ranchers"..the overwhelming majority of these rednekcs don't OWN the land near the border but LEASE it, much of it from the US and state governments for pennies on the dollar.
I have no sympathy for them or the Rambo Minutemen white trash thugs.
Hope the Mexicans drive these cockroaches off the land and back to the trailer parks with their toothless low class brethren.
Ultimately,here's just a lot of low-class scum in Arizona that needs to be rehabilated in the ways of the new order. Get over it, white boy chumps, its OVER.
ALL MINUTEMEN BACK TO ORIGINAL
JOBS = WAL-MART GREETERS and 7-11 CLERKS!
Oh, and amazing: Who do you think saved the ass of the colonies during the revolution? It wasn't the military, it was the militia formed by the colonists.
No different then today. I see nothing wrong with CITIZENS doing what it takes to secure this country, when the gov't fails. You can beat on the doors of the gov't all day long, in the end words mean nothing, action means everything.
Anon January 31, 2007 9:09:06 PM,
Spoken like a true beaner... sigh
"Oh, but I forgot, these people only want to come here for a better life... yea right..."
Actually they do. Have you seen the living conditions and poverty levels of most of them in Mexico. If you were shit out of luck like that, your white ass would be high tailing it big time north of the border.
So a few pack some heat, big fucking deal. So does the redneck meth using asshole that rents one of my apartment units in Hemet, CA. You see, thats how bad they want a 'better life', if they have to smoke some hick FOOL that took the law into their own hands...THEY WILL.
Russ is just another Elmer Fudd that thinks the Second Amendment is just for hunting. You stated that people shouldn't carry weapons on the border cause we have started an arms race with the dopers, are you serious? The last time I checked, this was America and dopers are criminals in the same category as killers and rapists. Why the hell should they influence what we do at all. They are the ones breaking the law. Maybe after the BP gets in a few firefights with them and gets their asses kicked because they have RPG's and belt feds you can blame that on the American citizen with his Glock.
Anon January 31, 2007 9:36:57 PM,
OK, Sancho, calm down. Get off Mr. White's computer and go back to cleaning the pool.
I look forward to the day when leftist commie nutjobs like Sinema are sent to mental institutions. I believe in free speech, but that sort of baloney is just beyond rational comprehension. It's more like a mad religion. Sort of like that one in the Middle East.
Great post, Anon 7:06:59
"But I feel so bad for the working middle class families who one day wake up with 10 Mexicans next door in a 3 bedroom house."
Make that 40 Mexicans in the house. People coming and going all hours of the day and night.
"Before long the entire neighborhood is a shithole and their home is worth nothing."
Yup. But on the bright side, I sold my house and moved to a much better place. I will say that the experience was invaluable in seeing what is really happening to this once great nation.
"All this so some Upper East Side or Bevery Hills liberal can feel good about being "tolerant.."
Yup, again. They would never live anywhere near the illegals.
I do think that "karma" is going to come back to bite those who sold us out, as well as other vile people.
"OK, Sancho, calm down. Get off Mr. White's computer and go back to cleaning the pool."
Hey CHAD...
Dont worry bro..in 20 years your kids (childen of fuktards too stupid to buy a home now) will be cutting my Mexican kid's lawns here in California. HAHAHAHAHAHA.
The problem is, using force when not a peace officer is vigilanteism.
I got no problem with patrolling, and then calling the border patrol, but even you wouldn't like a civilian under color of law pointing a gun at you and telling you your blog was illegal.
It's up to a court of law and the police to do this. If they don't, elect someone else who will.
I have the perfect solution.
Simply let people SUE a company for a job. If an illegal has "your job", you can sue the company for the job, and some extra cash.
Now we won't have to wait for the ineffective border patrol to do anything plus jobs no one wants anyway can still be taken by wet backs. Notice I say wet backs, not illegal aliens. I am a kinder, gentler American now :)
"They tuk are jubs"
FACISM STRIKES AGAIN
Loop 101 Cameras to be Turned Back On
The Scottsdale City Council has voted to turn the speed enforcement cameras along the Loop 101 in Scottsdale back on.
The Scottsdale City Council recently voted to have the state run the Loop 101 photo radar program. Governor Napolitano likes the idea but wants time to come up with a plan to take the program statewide. She asked the city of Scottsdale to restart the cameras and run the program through June, and Tuesday night the city council gave the plan the thumbs up on a 5-1 vote. The cameras will start citing speeders again on February 22nd. While Scottsdale runs the program DPS will be working with the state on a plan to expand the program across Arizona.
"Then go stroke your glock. It's whackjobs like you that will get guns banned in this country, for protection AND hunting."
Why don't you go stroke your hunting iron and bemoan how "we're screwed" and "Deal with it." Then after the .gov makes all the illegals citizens and they vote to take the guns away from the gringos, you can complain some more, do nothing and deal with it.
I don't like the fact that we have come to the point that private citizens feel the need to guard our own borders, but I won't belittle them as they are at least trying to bring some attention to the problem.
It seems as if our government only protects our interests if we make enough noise to be heard above the corporate cash register.
I love it...after I read the 50 or so posts trashing the UDAs (lawbreakers) from Mexico, anonymous 3:07:58 pops in to decry speed cameras, a legitimate law enforcement effort against that other horde of lawbreakers: people (many of who, are intoxicated) who can't seem to find the power within themselves to follow the traffic laws, especially those pertaining to the velocity of the vehicle on the road. Maybe MAD can borrow some of the border observers' methods and start sending squads around to screen customers leaving establishments that serve alcohol. I'm sure all the drinkers wouldn't mind being videoed as they leave the bar, and reported to the local constabulary if they are showing any signs of inebriation. Oh, and give the MAD squad their Glocks so they can drop anyone who gets threatening. Frankly the drunks and the speeders are a far greater threat to my well-being than the UDAs are, so, maybe this approach that's being tried on the border by the Minutemen has other applications. One more thing: this influx of labor has "free market" written all over it. It's pretty absurd to raise hell about leftists and democrats when pure and simple this is a market demand issue. Business needs labor, supply will follow demand, resistance is futile...got it?
wait a second, at the end of last year the US Border Patrol even came out and said that illegal border crossings have been down and they credited the Minute Men.
HELLO. They are doing this for FREE and ITS WORKING.
What kind of politician is siding with non-citizens over citizens?!?
Anon, stop spending time on this blog and instead start spending time in a remedial English grammar & spelling class. That is all.
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