January 17, 2007

"The Great Unwinding" is here - "Home-loan house of cards ready to fall"


Grab some popcorn HP'ers and a good easy chair, and just sit back and watch the carnage now. We're in the second inning, the game is just starting.

Oh, man, this is going to end badly. "The Great Unwinding" is here. Here's Fleckenstein with some excellent insider stuff:

Home-loan house of cards ready to fall - The collapse of the subprime credit market may come this year, with a major subprime lender going broke. The repercussions will haunt us for years.

This week brings an update on the deterioration, via comments from two very knowledgeable friends. One of them, a former top executive at a subprime lender (whose chronicling of the unwind has been amazingly accurate and timely), told me that serious issues are developing, and that large companies like New Century Financial, Accredited Home Lenders and NovaStar Financial will, in his words, "hit the wall" very soon. He writes:

"We had a loan that was FPD (first-payment default) on a home in So Cal. It is a very nice high-end town that had a section of new homes built . . . in the low end of town. Normal homes sold for $1 million in value. In this new seven-home development, (homes) sold for $1.3 million to $1.5 million each. The homes you had to drive through to get to this place were worth $400,000 to $500,000. The market topped out, and now most of the seven homes are vacant -- worth no more than $900,000. Thus, all the lenders are sitting on losses of $400,000 to $600,000. This is just one of many that are happening daily.

"The commentary I am getting from field and legit brokers is that fraud is an out-of-control locomotive. Stated-income loans are now finished for all the unemployed people around. We will quickly see cash-out loans curtailed. This vicious cycle has yet to play out. We are in the second inning of the unwinding.

"It is really getting serious. We had a borrower in So Cal who cut and pasted bank-statement copies of Washington Mutual to make it look like he had $400,000 average balances in his account to buy a $1.7 million home. Something did not seem right. Lo and behold, we checked very closely with the bank. The borrower had only $500 in his account. This is also just one of many examples happening daily.

"I am truly worried about the aftermath once it is resolved. It truly becomes a vicious cycle. Each time guidelines are pulled back, fewer buyers can buy homes. Thus, lower property values, and more people underwater. The debt piles up on homeowners' balance sheets, and people consume less.

"This will, and should, take years to play out. (Federal Reserve Chairman Ben) Bernanke will yield to the Lobby and the Street, trying once again to lower rates and allow people to bail themselves out, while in turn allowing the buyout firms of the world to overpay for the companies they buy with easy money. The game is so rigged against honesty, it boggles the mind. I worry about our children having a chance to have a future, at this point."

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

WEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Shutup and serve your irresponsible corporate overlords!

Anonymous said...

"It is really getting serious. We had a borrower in So Cal who cut and pasted bank-statement copies of Washington Mutual to make it look like he had $400,000 average balances in his account to buy a $1.7 million home. Something did not seem right. Lo and behold, we checked very closely with the bank. The borrower had only $500 in his account. This is also just one of many examples happening daily.

It's all funny until your ass is getting gang raped in prison, which I hope happens to a lot of these CRIMINALS. Enjoying the show, just waiting to choke the life out of an FB in the future.

Anonymous said...

It's been 19 months and you say we are in the 2nd innning. At that rate this game will last 7 years.

Sure thing. The longest housing downturn was 3 years.

But this time it's different. Where did I hear that before?

Anonymous said...

NEW and AHM are unwinding fast toward the January 30 strike prices but will there be enough time for my puts to come in?

Come on lucky 7!!!

Woo hoo!

Anonymous said...

NEW has an incredible, low 4.51 PE ratio and is still falling.

Now that shows a LOT of faith in the soft landing scenario.

NOT!!!!

Anonymous said...

"It is really getting serious. We had a borrower in So Cal who cut and pasted bank-statement copies of Washington Mutual to make it look like he had $400,000 average balances in his account to buy a $1.7 million home. Something did not seem right. Lo and behold, we checked very closely with the bank. The borrower had only $500 in his account. This is also just one of many examples happening daily."

They left out, "So we funded the loan".

blogger said...

Baseball innings have nothing to do with time. Some last 10 minutes, others an hour.

Same with this bubble. The second inning comparisson is good because in the second inning of a ballgame, we're just starting to see how the teams will match up, the trends, the effect of outside influences, and how the game might go down.

But oh, as ball fans know, there are many twists and turns and tons of surprises in store.

Popcorn! Get ya popcorn here!

Markus Arelius said...

Only the second inning?

Dammit Keith, I want it to be:

Down by 4 pts, 4th down and 36, 00:01 left to go, from their own 1 yard line!

7 more innings? This is the United State of America?
What ever happened to our mantra of instant gratification?

Anonymous said...

"The longest housing downturn was 3 years."

Tell that to Japan.

Anonymous said...

Spin Spin Spin Spin

So now we are using Japan to counter the growing evidence that this supposed "crash" is not happening and will not be happening.

OK if we're playing that game, I'll see your Japan and raise you a Milan (median price $1.8M) and a Parise (median $1.4M).

Anonymous said...

OK REIC- Spin this. You are in the downward end of the roller coaster, no amount of strength can stop it.

HAHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAH

See you at McDonalds, double picke hold the lettuce please!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Salt Lake City is up 58% YOY, San Francisco is up 0.7% YOY, Atlanta is up 4% YOY, Dallas is up 2% YOY, So.Cal is up 3.3% YOY, NYC is up 19% YOY

A housing crash...sure thing. Whatever your little renting heart wants.

Anonymous said...

Maybe so - but here in lil ole West Chester, PA, which has heretofore been less affected by the run up than most, there's a new house down the street which completed construction last spring. It hasn't sold yet and in fact the for sale sign was removed about 4 weeks ago. I guess they're waiting for the spring rush.

Anonymous said...

Stats don't mean a thing:

Foreclosures are up 35% YOY across the country. If housing prices were still going up, these people would have sold for a profit and repaid their mortgage instead of losing their home and getting nothing in return except bad credit.

There's no spinning that fact with bogus REIC numbers.

Anonymous said...

Wait...I think I have $500 in an account. Is it too late to get a $1.4M house?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
It's been 19 months and you say we are in the 2nd innning. At that rate this game will last 7 years.

Sure thing. The longest housing downturn was 3 years.

But this time it's different. Where did I hear that before?

Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:20:41 PM

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We've had an unprecedented runup, so why not an unprecendented downturn? The housing downturn in Japan lasted about 15 years. This one will probably go AT LEAST 3-7 years, depending on how much of a kick we get from the trillion dollar ARM resets this year and the next.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Salt Lake City is up 58% YOY, San Francisco is up 0.7% YOY, Atlanta is up 4% YOY, Dallas is up 2% YOY, So.Cal is up 3.3% YOY, NYC is up 19% YOY

A housing crash...sure thing. Whatever your little renting heart wants.

Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:32:01 PM

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Those low single digit gains are actually losses when adjusted for inflation. We'll see what happens in Mexifornia when all those ARMs reset this year and the next. There'll be a whole lot of "motivated sellers."

Anonymous said...

> It's all funny until your
> ass is getting gang raped
> in prison, which I hope
> happens to a lot of these
> CRIMINALS.

You will go to jail for stealing a 12 pack, but not lying and getting $500K in cash. Casey the i am facing forclosure kid and his friends will never spend a day in jail

Anonymous said...

Why are are foreclosures up over 100% in Florida, Mass and California if housing prices are still going up? Wouldn't these people have easily sold for a profit instead of losing their homes and rising equity gains from the past few years?

The answer is that prices are not going up. They are going down. That is why these FB's and RE daytraders could not sell and lost their homes and make-believe equity.