Man, central casting couldn't have done a better job than reality and the gene pool did in North Korea.
Big event or big yawn HP'ers? Negative for Bush or positive leading up to the election?
Now that we've cut off their counterfeiting trade, perhaps the best way for the little guy to raise some bucks is, you got it, sell a nuke to the highest islamic cult member bidder... Do I hear $1 billion?
My prediction - world powers do nothing, as there's not a lot they can do except go pop the guy. If I were president, that's what I'd do - one bullet and this mess is over. I watched Wizard of Oz a lot when I was a kid though..
North Korea said Monday it had performed its first nuclear weapons test, an underground explosion that defied international warnings but was hailed by the communist nation as a "great leap forward" for its people.
The reported test drew harsh rebuke from North Korea's neighbors. The U.N. Security Council is expected to discuss the North Korean issue on Monday, and the United States and Japan are likely to press for a resolution imposing additional sanctions on Pyongyang.
The U.S. Geological Survey said it had recorded a magnitude-4.2 seismic event in northeastern North Korea. Australia and South Korea also said there was seismic confirmation that pointed to a nuclear test.
October 09, 2006
Ruh-roh! North Korea nutjob goes nuclear
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There is talk of Chinese troops heading to the border, China has long been a friend of NK, however, the problem for China is the louder NK barks the more intense the reaction of the US and Japan will be. This in turn puts a kink into the regional balance of power and it's current dominate power, namely China.
That's the reason China may put the smack down on NK, to preempt the rearming and potential arms race with a revitalized Japan.
Tony
Can't live with em, can't nuke em...
No, wait..
china invading north korea - now that would be interesting
I'm guessing it was more of a fizzle than a success. South Korea registered a 3.6 on the Richter scale on their seismometers. When China set off a 60 kiloton weapon back in '95, it registered 5.6 on the Richter scale. Since the Richter scale is logarithmic (each increase by 1 on the scale is actually 10 times more energy), a rough guess of the yield is 60kt/100, or about a kiloton or so. Very, very small yield, one-tenth of Hiroshima.
This is all speculation of course...
China will take care of the problem because of Japan. If China doesn't do anything, it may force Japan to create an offensive military in conjunction with the US. China fears a Japanese military more than anything because it weakens their position in the region and they have long term (well deserved) hatred for the Japanese.
Uh-oh. Now we have two nutjobs with their fingers on the nuclear trigger.
Lest we forget - Haliburton (1996) sold Korea the reactor.
Who was the nut job again Keef?
Rumsfeld’s firm sold reactors to N. Korea
By Randeep Ramesh
WASHINGTON: Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary, sat on the board of a company which three years ago sold two light water nuclear reactors to North Korea — a country he now regards as part of the “axis of evil” and which has been targeted for regime change by Washington because of its efforts of build nuclear weapons.
Mr Rumsfeld was a non-executive director of ABB, a European engineering giant based in Zurich, when it won a $200 million contract to provide the design and key components for the reactors. The current defence secretary sat on the board from 1990 to 2001, earning $190,000 a year. He left to join the Bush administration.
The reactor deal was part of President Bill Clinton’s policy of persuading the North Korean regime of positively engaging with the West.
The sale of the nuclear technology was a high-profile contract. ABB’s then chief executive, Goran Lindahl, visited North Korea in November 1999 to announce ABB’s “wide-ranging, long-term cooperation agreement” with the communist government.
The company also opened an office in the country’s capital, Pyongyang, and the deal was signed a year later in 2000. Despite this, Mr Rumsfeld’s office said that the defence secretary did not “recall it being brought before the board at any time”.
"Mr. Smith said...
Uh-oh. Now we have two nutjobs with their fingers on the nuclear trigger."
Exactly!!
China better do something about this, that's for sure. North Korea would be in truly deep caca without China helping them out with much-needed food and supplies. And China has defended North Korea so often it makes a lot of people sick. Now China's reputation is on the line. Hold that little bastard up by his Elvis hairdo and give him a severe butt-kicking.
It will definatly be left up to the asian community to do something about it. As I said in an earlier newslink, they pose no threat to israel, our treasonous (jewish occupied) government will do nothing about it.
Rumsfeld’s firm sold reactors to N. Korea
Disgusting.
A Metaphor
It would seem, that the USA is on a one way, self-destructive path, no, six-lane highway, the way of a rebellious teenage Football Player who feels indestructibly strong and feels like he will live forever. So he is experimenting with dangerous drugs and deadly sex. When things get out of control and people die of an overdose or grommet too tight, the teen is surprised by the outcome, and there was nothing anyone could do, because it was to late. But everyone around him warned him prior to tragedy and even saw it coming.
"It would seem, that the USA is on a one way, self-destructive path, no, six-lane highway..."
Actually make that a TEN LANE highway...
In a nutshell, North American Union, a.k.a. the Security and Prosperity Partnership, envisions a corridor from a West Coast Mexican port straight up to Canada. The stretch through Texas has already been contracted out to a Spanish company to build and operate as a toll road. Plans call for a ten-lane highway [5 each way] with room for a train line and other infrastructure running between them.
Obviously, this project calls for exercise of eminent domain which, under last year's Supreme Court "Kelo" decision should be a snap. Open borders and flooding the US with Mexican legal and illegal immigrants is a step in the plan. Gov. Perry is working closely with Pres. Bush to make this happen.
Richard the threadjacker.
Hey Alcohol ANON - where was your Threadjack Post when Borkfatty posted the Nuc Test article last night on an unrelated thread??
Screw off punk.
For God sake, what the hell are we waiting for? We've got scalar weapons - why don't we use them?
For the uninformed - imagine an entire geographical region (or nation) wiped off the face of the earth *instantly* - no bombs, no missles, no radiation - just complete devastation delivered in an instant from anywhere on Earth to anyplace else on Earth (or other planet, actually).
Couldn't care less... NK was threatebned and bullied by the wacko Bushies for years..just protecting themselves...if Saddam Hussein had nuclear weapons does anybody actually think the Chimp would invade his country?
Japan and South Korea should have nuclear weapons as well as Canada,Mexico and Brazil. Since Israel has them so should Iran.
The only nation that has ever used nuclear weapoms is the United States,
so if all the American pussy-whipped faggots who are insecure can turn on the TV in a few minutes and watch the Chimp start a fear campaign again to save his party.
to save his party.
If you think thi is a Rep. Dem. Political Issue, then you are an IDIOT.
Have a nice day.
infidelwoman:
calling me an idiot, makes you appear shrill and superficial.
all world politics is power politics is local politics. It comes down on how you manage them and the only proven way is skillful diplomacy which the Chimp and his lackeys can't figure out.
Don't worry, you can crawl out from under your bed..I assure you, after all the fear mongering to get you to go vote next month, this too shall be accepted by the Chimp...after all, didn't he just last week say Iraq will be "just a comma" when written about in history biooks?
Since China is NKs best friend and we, I mean Clinton, regard them as our most favored trade partner, perhaps a nice trade tarrif on China would be appropriate at this time. Squeeze them where it hurts.
Dooh! They have $1T of our money and could collapse our currency. Dooh! They buy our federal guvmint's debt.
Never mind.
Anybody want to guess if it was really a nuke or not? Maybe a bluff.
Idiot...
national security has never been a matter for partisan political gain
This is the crime for which today's Republican leadership will forever stand in disgrace. America's national security has never been a matter for partisan political gain. The nationwide unity after 9/11 was unprecedented. But the Republicans saw the opportunity to rescue an already-failing Presidency, and they jumped on it.
The result was spectacular success in political terms, but profound failure in national security terms. Their relentless effort to exploit every circumstance for their own gain led to blunder after blunder. The most recent example is the British investigation into possible hijacking plans from that nation. Published reports indicate that British intelligence was disturbed by US interference in the case, and by our government's insistence that they move to make arrests before the investigation was complete.
The infamous manipulation of "orange alerts" during the 2004 campaign is another such example. By using our national security apparatus as a political dirty trick, they undermined national confidence and unity at a critical time.
http://nightlight.typepad.com/nightlight/2006/
10/six_reasons_rep.html
“China and North Korea have been allies for more than half a century. Pyongyang is economically dependent on China, which provides most of its food and energy supplies. North Korea gets about 70 percent of its food and 70 to 80 percent of its fuel from China. Beijing is Pyongyang's largest trading partner. China has repeatedly blocked UN Security Council resolutions against North Korea, including some threatening sanctions.“
The Bottom line is that China is the puppet master of North Korea behind the scenes. If China did not want this test to happen they would have acted to stop it many years ago.
infidelwoman,
you're wrapping yourself in an orgiastic display of blind gung-ho American patriotism along with your previous racist comments on other posts and using personal attacks to make your flawed argument leaves one no choice:
You come across as a piece of white trash scum that is the offspring of many fathers... kind of hard, huh?, going through life trying to figure who daddy was?
You have a promising future in the adult entertainment business.
Idiot,
Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed today? Hope you get to feeling better.
Gotta go to my capitalist job.
TTFN
PS, My father was in the Air Force for 25 years.
Oh and PSS,
Try living your life with a Heritage that is to Politically Incorrect to discuss in Public. I had nothing to do with what happened in the War Between the States, and I am NOT Racist. My prior ancestors were. Not my problem, but NK is everyone’s problem and should NOT be Politicized
Now, I really have to go, we can play again later.
ANON Monday, October 09, 2006 3:34:39 PM
Infidelwoman is spot on.
You are the one who could benefit from her thoughts - read her past post. What she speakes of is a coming poilce state and the consolidation of power and wealth by our current cabal administration.
And if you had the balls you would get a handle so we all could avoid name calling.
Cat's out of the bag now. Watch as Taiwan, Japan, and yes, South Korea all go nuclear over the next ten years. They all hate China with a passion, and this is the perfect excuse for them to even some old scores.
Here is where the test happened:
http://tinyurl. com/rzyrm
Shallow seismic events are filtered out of routine USGS reporting
since they happen all the time -- mine bumps, construction blasting,
etc. etc., and except for volcanic activity that is also treated
differently, natural events that originate shallower than a mile or so
are really rare. (courtesy of my friend Drrocks of Colorado)
try this one
http://tinyurl.com/rzyrm
Hey Richard, the Dems are going to take Congress in a couple of weeks, and you're like-minded buddies already dominate the judiciary. Seems as though your claims of a GOP "cabal" running the government are as hollow as Keith's claim that we're in a worldwide HP.
Experts are pegging the explosive yield at less than a kiloton -- a fizzle. My guess is it was a plutonium bomb and something went wrong in the implosion timing. I pity the poor bastards that will be sent down into that mine to scavenge the unburned plutonium. Waste not want not...
pretty scary when richard is defending you on HP.
he he
"I pity the poor bastards that will be sent down into that mine to scavenge the unburned plutonium."
Lots 2 choose from on this blog.
Hey Keef and alcohol anon - I buy if you fly.
i'm not so worried about the nukes.....it's his hair that bothers me!
It was the CLINTON administration that approved the sale of reactors to NK.
North Korea Nuke Test Derails Iran Invasion?
Has Rummy's madcap dictator arming resulted in a blowback that undermines the Neo-Con war machine?
Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | October 9 2006
North Korea's underground atomic weapon test is a wild card that could potentially derail the Neo-Con battle plan to carry out air strikes on Iran. Will the myopic hubris of the Bushists make them blind to the incompatability of selling a war on a nation years away from nukes while another openly proliferates, or could it just make the likelihood of a false flag terror attack more likely?
No Clinton wasn't as stupid as y'all think.
The point of the pressurised light water reactors that were proposed to be sold to NK was that it is very difficult to make weapons material from the waste, as opposed to the reactor that NK is using now which probably was intentionally designed for that purpose.
At that time of course NK said "we only want a reactor for power".
A few years later with Bush II, Kim Jong Evil says, "neener neener, we were lying".
I'm pretty sure those reactors never ended up in North Korea.
If they only got a fizzle (<1kt) then we're in good shape. This means that they are far away from the ability to sufficiently miniaturizing the warheads sufficiently to put them on an ICBM.
One of the important technolgoies is the use of tritium in the core to reduce the necessary fissile mass. Production of tritium takes away from plutonium production in a reactor, and it decays as well. It is very hard to handle.
The technologies to really have a miniturized warhead requires far more substantial computations and knowledge than the first "1945-style" bombs. The USA didn't really have that ability until 1958 or so, and that was after a tremendous push, with many open nuclear tests.
Apparently there were some huge breakthroughs which made the original Polaris warhead possible. (of course that was a H-bomb).
These are still quite classified and there is no hint in the open literature what they were.
"I'm pretty sure those reactors never ended up in North Korea."
cool now I can go back to sleep...
thanks!!
I saw this email to another blog, which indicates that the test may not have been nuclear. Have any of you seen indications/confirmations that it truly was nuclear?
"I've been visiting the sites I normally go to when I want to see the
actual seismic signature of an event, and none of them have the NoKo
explosion up.
That's very peculiar, because the signature of a nuke explosion is
distinctive - it spikes upward very steeply, then pretty much drops down
again, because all of the energy is released at once. No other kind of
explosion matches that signature. Both the US and Russia had technology to
identify this signature thirty years ago - it was how we tracked each
other's nuclear testing.
I have to think we knew within a few minutes whether it was nuclear or not,
and the fact that we haven't announced it means that it suits the government
to be ambigious."
"Have any of you seen indications/confirmations that it truly was nuclear?"
WMD in Iraq...no spreading democracy...no Iraq invloved in 9-11...no foley like old senior woman not young page boys...
Buy the story sell the rumor...
or sell the story buy the rumor...
or sell gold, buy cash...
this Orwellian Doublespeak is very confusing.
Watching news last night and heard rumours of test, but said no definite confirmation. Also they said there was no record of seismic activity by US Geological, so what gives. Has that changed? Or are we now being lied to again by those who now say there was so we can attack?
ANOTHER FAIL POLICY OF GW BUSH!
THE AXES OF EVILS IRAN, VENEZUELA AND N KOREA ARE GIVING FINGERS TO BUSH.
THE WORLD IS LAUGHING AT BUSH! OF COURSE, BEING A RED NECK AMERICAN, HE DOES NOT CARE!
Recent information indicates that the lack of confirmation of a nuclear blast (the "seismic signature" issue) may be due to the size of the detonation.
Evidently very small bombs do not release unambiguous signatures, so scientists may not be able to give us a definitive answer for some time. Sigh.
"Evidently very small bombs do not release unambiguous signatures, so scientists may not be able to give us a definitive answer for some time."
It's actually much more difficult to build a low yield atomic weapon, so I think their test was a dud. NK is using plutonium, and it is not a simple trick to make a reliable weapon with it. The plutonium bombs we tested at Trinity and dropped on Nagasaki had a failure (fizzle) probability of 20% to 30%.
Iran is going the uranium route for their nuke, and making a bomb with HEU is much easier, but it takes a lot more material for the critical mass.
Was the earthquake at Mt Ranier, WA. (4.8 I think) related to this?
It seems it was aound the same time.
I mean, if they're blowing up bombs underground near the Pacific Rim, can it send shockwaves through the earth?
It would seem like it could.
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