OK, since HP is not PC (as long time readers will know), and I'm pissed I can't get on my flight from London to Phoenix in a few weeks without having to worry about getting slaughtered by religious fanatic cult members, here's my take.
Memo to the world: If you want to make your airports and mass transit safe, pull over anyone who looks like this and make sure they're not carrying a bomb.
Now if it was green people aged 50 to 60 trying to kill everyone, then I'd have a picture of green people aged 50 to 60 up instead. But it's not. It's Muslim men aged 16 to 40. Deal with it, or we die.
Thank you. Now back to the bubble.
August 10, 2006
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Oh good God Keith.....you're being idiotic.....
FDR initiated profiling for enemies prior to World War II. Guess what, it worked. People need to get realistic about what's going on in the world. These people don't want to kill Americans because of Bush or because of Isreal, they want to kill all non muslims.
If it looks like a Duck, and walks like a Duck...
Seriously, it's not like I'd advocate locking up all men of middle eastern decent, but they need to be scrutinized at the airport.
Best post ever on this blog. This is way more on point and relevant than the housing panic... but both are going to destroy us. Total meltdown in Phoenix... spoke with a flipper... so delusional he don't even now how fcked he is... meanwhile the builder is offering 80k incentives... so that 400k house is really 320k. this flipper thinks he can sell his for 395k. retarded. they are screwed. i alsow talked to a realtor... he said, the reason invetory has plateued lately, is that listings are expired UNSOLD.. and that agents don't even want listings because it is a waste of a sign/paper/lockbox/time... he said they need buyers... he has 9 listings and he will let them expired... not even an offer in 6weeks. He went on to say that back in april, sellers go a few lowballs that that got pissed off at and rejected... now they are offer the home at a price lower than the lowball. F them all.
I love libs who say this is racist. got news for you - muslim radicals are hell bent on killing innocents in the name of their cult.
F 'em. It's war, and war is never pretty.
You sheeple are hypnotized by the media. Brainless comments coming from brainless minds. But then those who believe what's thrown at them without skepticism or verification, deserve to be mislead.
Political correctness will be the death of us all. It is like most reporting these days about crime, no mention of race because god knows that is profiling. Doesn't matter that the majority of crime reported in the press is black or hispanic gang members. That isn't to say white's don't commit crime.
Still, they'll report a rape and say, male, 6' tall, between 20-30 and then not say "hispanic, black, or white." Oh, unless it involves children. Same with a robbery. I'm sorry but if I report that a black man shot my wife do you think the police is going to pull over a white man? Profiling only refines your search to the most likely person who may or has committed the crime.
It is like the security at the Airports, if you randomly pull over cars while looking for the black rapist, even though the people are asian, white, hispanic, then you are not profiling. No, it is just appeasement to liberal's who always want to make race an issue.
Watching CNN and Fox I've noticed that Lebanese dude (American) spouting such horrific blame at the Jews and condemns Israel at every turn as immoral, at fault for the war (because they exist) and all he'll say when cornered about Hizbollah is, "I don't support their tactics but....Israel"
Ready to return to Phoenix Keith? Why? I thought you hated Phoenix? Is the British pound and the real high cost of living making Phoenix look....affordable?
Muslims are a peace loving people.
And they will not hurt a liberal if they know you are a liberal.
We welcome Muslims here in San Francisco and it is because of Bush terrorists are after us.
Any Muslims reading this please know that WE LIBERALS LOVE YOU AND LIBERAL MEANS LIBERTY!
how is the media manipulating us? perhaps you didn't see the pictures of the muslims who took down the planes on 9/11? perhaps you missed the pictures of the muslims who blew up the trains in london, bombay, spain? or the clubs in bali?
is the media making all this up? is it white grannies doing this?
you're the joke, and you're blind too
we're at war with muslims - not all of them, but many. and if the peaceful muslims are upset by this profiling, then go out and tell the cult member muslims that you don't support them
meanwhile, the muslim world is stone quiet today, just as they were on 9/12
It's the Muslim female as well.. just as the Russians about that plane or two that blew up.
I've got $1 that all the arrests today were men, although you have a good point. It's easier to pull over the ones with those damn beards.
how do these people reproduce? they must beat their women into submission
Concur 110%.
islam is not a peace loving cult (it is a cult, not a religion). If the so-called moderate muslims in america and britain gave a rats ass they would cleanse thier flock of these radical scum but they can't because they belong to a cult that teaches intolerance and blind obeidience. I say deport them all back to thier stone-age mullahs till they grow up and get a clue. I'm a liberal bay area californian and liberal does not equal blind and stupid like the previous post, liberal means free thinking and objective and recognizing a pig in lipstick when you see it.
>> LIBERAL MEANS LIBERTY!
No, liberal means self-loathing, and in the case of profiling, libs are suicidial ie. would cut their own throats so that someone else doesn't get mad at them. Liberalism, political correctness and multiculturalism in America can only end one way - with a mushroom cloud over one of our major cities.
Hey!
They could just be a bunch of Spaniards wearing cute little white beanie-hats!
Because any fool knows there are no blond-haired, blue-eyed Muslims anywhere in the world!
No siree!
What a big, steaming pile of pants.
check out faithfreedom.org for the truth about islam.
As a Marxist, I believe religion is a symptom to the greater issue of economic disparity. Religion, historically speaking, has been a motivator the justification to oppress or rebel against other groups. The five pillars of Islam within the Quran speak of charitable works, but mention nothing about killing others. Christianity (New Testament) does not mention prosthetic reprisals. Yet, we have seen both people commit human atrocities in the name of their respective faith.
Until people start acknowledging the true radix of terrorism, only short-term solutions--such as profiling--will ever be mentioned.
You have never read the quran obviously because it mentions killing others all over the place. People like to quote the quran and the bible and most times have never read them, they are just regurgitating platitudes heard as sound bites in the media. the quran is a guidebook for terror and conquest and a cult of mohammed who was a rapist and pedophile.
faithfreedom.org for the truth.
marxism? get a clue, all isms are religions and/or cults - same pig different shade of lipstick.
:FDR initiated profiling for enemies prior to World War II.
Hmm... how come all the WWII espionage was by Germans and not Japanese?
because they were safely interred in camps.
to anon August 10, 2006 7:40:29 PM and others.
how is the media manipulating us?
heh. consider other sources. otherwise, hit snooze.
http://tinyurl.com/lohe5
How about card carrying Muslim-hating Hindus or Sikhs?
funny thing, seeing americans take of their shoes at the airports, just like
at the mosque :)
no imam could have ever dreamed this was possible. next you will be kneeling before bush, when martial law will be imposed and 08 elections postponed.
havent heard of any sihks or hindus blowing themselves up lately so they can stay.
The answer is a new kind of airline - Nude Air - all passengers and crew all naked all the time - cleared for takeoff!
I guess your fear of security makes you controlled as well. fear goes both ways whether it's fear of islam or fear of republicans or fear of not appearing pc.
~another liberal for truth.
how about porno air, everyone gets to be an instant member of the mile high club.
http://tinyurl.com/j2thq
fear based mind control and false terror alerts and arrests.
no evidence, no convictions, all made up bullshit from 911 down.
911 is a false flag operation conducted by neocons to get their power on.
do some research flks and see for yourself.
start with an interesting video
among many online
http://tinyurl.com/gkr82
damn those are three really ugly dudes in that picture
pretty representative though - maybe that's why they blow us up, they're pissed at being so ugly
Where are the Pictures of the Bush (Dush) crime family, all the Conservitives would be beating off right now if we had pictures of Him an Cheney on this site, after all who is the real Terrorist here?.
you dont have to do any "research" to know islam wants us dead, their leaders are telling us so every day in plain english. the current administration is not smart enough to pull off a vast conpiracy that you've discovered during your "research" and if they are then it is all hopeless because they are vastly more intelligent and cunning than anyone alive. If you think beuracracies like ours can keep secrets you are a fool and would rather go searching for the truth under rocks rather than see what is screaming directly in your face. I am a fan of conspiracy theories and have been investigating them for over a decade and many of them have some truth but most are fantasies and paranoia and should be for entertainment purposes only. the same goes for religions, cults and all belief sytems.
bush and cheney have killed more innocent women and children than the islamist terrorists
they're pissed because their ridiculous cult of islam is a cheap cut and paste job from judaism with the psychopath mohammed as thier profit (spelling intentional) instructing them to kill themselves if need be tospread the twisted word of islam. the only language they speak and respect is force and bloodshed. let them have then.
faithfreedom.org
and yes, I am a liberal californian independant in a sea of liberal californian knumbskulls
muslims allowing radical islamofacists to live amongst themselves are not innocent and fair game in the war against fascism.
bush and cheney may be fascists but at least we can unelect them when we wake up from our over consuming nightmare.
19 knuckle heads with box cutters can pull of vast conspiracy, but neo cons
with vast resources and motive can`t?
you are doomed either way, terroists on oneside and neo-cons on the other.
get ready to drop your drawers at the terminal. lol.
I just hope the terrorists are easier to locate than Cheney is.
Speaking of Locate anyone see OSAMA around these days, shit with all that lovely Video Equipment one would think he would be seen lugging it around somewhere in the mountain range? Probably vacationing in Vegas no doubt.
Want world peace? Kill all muslims and make it a crime punishable by death to practice that maniac religion. They make the same statement about other religions so let's let them have it worldwide. I am so damn tired of these POS.
The pattern continues. A terrorist plot is uncovered just as the masses start to question national security strategy. The day after Senate Democrats brought a vote to pull out of Iraq, we catch a few idiots in Miami who were supposedly trying to blow up the Sears Tower, despite the fact that they lacked the means and ability to do so. Then there were the guys busted for supposedly plotting to blow up a New York subway exactly a year after the London bus bombings. And don't forget the release of new Osama bin Laden tapes just before the 2004 election as well as the very day after the Supreme Court decision striking down the Guantanamo Bay military tribunals. And now today, a few men in England were arrested for a plan to blow up planes flying to America, just a day after Connecticut voters flatly rejected Joe Lieberman and the war in Iraq.
We certainly can't deny that there may have indeed been plans to commit these acts. But the timings of the arrest announcements are awfully suspicious. All three were still in the works and had been monitored for several months by very capable intelligence agencies. While the exact nature of today's arrests is still unclear, none of the plans seemed to have been immediate or imminent threats. The decision of when to intervene has been arbitrary, making the coincidental timings pretty convenient. (And the question of whether some of them are "real threats," such as the Liberty City "Insane Clown Posse" remain to be seen.)
Imagine a conversation late Tuesday night between Bush and his British Prime Minister lapdog, just as Ned Lamont declares victory. "Yo, Blair," Bush says while scarfing down a dinner role. "I gotta to do something about this sh*t. Can you finally arrest those suspected terrorists you told me about? This election business is ruining my vacation! I know you're chillin' in the Caribbean yourself right now, but it sure would be great if you could make a few calls for me ASAP."
Don't buy it? Consider this quote from a Reuters article on the story: "President George W. Bush had known about the investigation for several days, was briefed about it regularly and knew the arrests were coming, a senior administration official said." Both countries are surely monitoring several terrorist leads that could lead to arrests at any time. The British group would have been stopped eventually, but there has been absolutely no indication why it had to be today.
Just yesterday Tony Snow and Dick Cheney told America that Lieberman's loss was going to make us less safe and warned of the dangers of our supposedly weakened resolve against terrorism. What better way to drive the point home than to catch some terrorists in England immediately afterwards? Based on a quote from the U.K. Guardian, the Brits seem to have the same agenda: "The events unfolded just hours after (English Home Secretary John Reid) used a speech to a thinktank to accuse critics of the government's anti-terrorism measures of putting national security at risk through their failure to recognize the serious nature of the threat facing Britain."
If the timing of the media announcement wasn't a political ploy, the rhetoric and propaganda sure are. "It was in some respects suggestive of an al-Qaeda plot," Homeland Security Director Chertoff said. Attorney General Gonzales also noted it was "suggestive of al-Qaeda tactics," and FBI director Robert Mueller claimed "this had the earmarks [sic] of an al-Qaeda plot." They still warned that it was too early to reach any conclusions, yet had no problems with dropping the name of the feared organization to implant the connection in our heads without proof. If they don't know, they shouldn't even make the suggestion. The Bush Administration has become masterful at scaring the bejesus out of us without actually saying anything factual. They did exactly the same thing when they were trying to connect Saddam to terrorists. The lengthy press conference today had an awful lot of "we believe" and not very much "we know."
For his part, Bush personally declared that "it is a mistake to believe there is no threat to the United States of America" because "this nation is at war with Islamic fascists."
There's also the mixed messages. On the one hand, Bush/Blair policies have saved the day. Tony Snow said "it is safe to travel." On the other hand, we are still in horrible danger and have to step up the terror alert warning to red. Are we more or less safe today than yesterday? While the original situation may have indeed been critical, the confusion created by ambiguities and conflicting reports have left most people in both America and Britain terrified. Airports are banning items such as hair gel and soda left and right in carry-on luggage and encouraging passengers to arrive even earlier for increased screening. While the logical conclusion should be that Bush and Iraq actually haven't helped at all, and if anything made us worse off, too many people will get swallowed up by the scare tactics into supporting Bush even more. And Karl Rove knows it. More importantly, all those pesky stories about Lamont, Lebanon, and even Iraq are now safe in the periphery.
The problem is that Bush has lost all credibility. He's cried wolf so many times this could be the real deal with absolutely no impropriety and we would have no way to know. When there is this much distrust of the president, we are almost forced to assume we're being tricked again by the use of fear to manipulate public opinion.
As the Orwellian dictator in the film "V for Vendetta" screams to his "cabinet" at one point: "I want them to know that they need us."
Of course, the preservation of chaos was the goal for the rule by tyranny in "V," as it appears to be in Bushworld.
Terrorist threats may or may not be real. They may or may not be activated as a result of the Busheviks now becoming the motivational cause of terrorists at this point.
We will never know, as long as one-party dictatorship prevails and incompetence and unending war are the means of maintaining power.
But timing is something you can document. And this timing of the latest act of terrorism announcement appears more political than operational.
A senatorial candidate who questions the strategic value of the Iraq War is denounced by the top level of the Bush Administration as an appeaser of terrorists -- and then once again there is an arrest of people we are told intended to commit grievous acts of terrorism.
There appears to be a pattern here, and it's one employed by masters of tyranny, not democracy, to cover up for a failed war and a failed foreign policy.
But the sheeple can only bleat.
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>> The answer is a new kind of airline - Nude Air - all passengers and crew all naked all the time - cleared for takeoff!
Wouldn't that kinda be like Hooters Air? Oh, wait a minute - they went out of biz a few months back. I guess one could say Hooters Air went "tits up!" Man, I crack myself up sometimes...
"FDR initiated profiling for enemies prior to World War II."
This isn't the analogy you wanted to use. Doesn't support your point at all. Internment of Japanese-Americans after (not before) Pearl Harbor probably did no good at all. No evidence of any sabotage attempts by Japanese- Americans were ever uncovered, before or after. A Japanese-American army unit, which served in Europe, was the most highly decorated in American history. Meanwhile, German-Americans who had publicly supported Nazi-Germany before the war, like members of the "Bund," were left alone.
I think you need to scrutinize Muslims at the airports -- that's just a price they have to pay, unfortunately. But don't look to our disgraceful treatment of honest Japanese-Americans during WWII to make your point, because that historical episode is probably going to work against you, not for you.
I just want to get on a plane from london to the US, or a tube in the morning, and not have cult members blow it up
is that too much to ask?
Nice post fearbasedcontrol. Good to see someone actually using thought here, rather than blandishing the same old tired diatribes.
On which note - I'm finding it creepy that ALL the TV news channels have stopped reporting any other news than the Heathrow 'terrorrist attacks'.
Afghanistan - when was the last time any news came out of there?
Iraq - nothing
Israel/Hezbollah - nothing
Not to mention floods killing hundreds of people in Sudan, a typhoon in southern China that's displaced about 1 miiion people...hell they're not even reporting US Weather today.
As scary as the idea of a terrorist atack is - you know what?
They caught them.
Why flood the news channels with hours and hours of exactly the same story? Is there nothing else going on in the world?
“Jews at fault for the war (because they exist)”
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998
Why we all so blind? Are we going to support the Jewish empire and fight their wars forever? While we spill our blood and make enemies of the oil producing countries for the sake of Israel? Our major media corporations have been purchased by the same banking corporations the own the Fed. Israel is not a nation; it is refereed to as the “State of Israel”. Yes, the one state to control them all.
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You can try “profiling” brown skinned people, but you just profiled half of the population where I live.
Liberalism is an ideology, philosophical view, and political tradition which holds that liberty is the primary political value.
ban ALL arab-muslum-islamic-ragheads ffrom all mass transit. problem solved.
panicearly said...
funny i dont see timothy mc veigh in the picture?
hey bozo, sucking at the breast of the MSM has blinded you and most of amerika, go read the book "the third terrorist". Multiple witnessess had seen numerous middle eastern men in Oklahoma city before and at the time of the bombing. Timmy was a patsy, either brainwashed to believe the islamic bs or a mole planted to gather info and convieniently picked up and "executed".
U.S. Muslim groups criticized President George W. Bush on Thursday for calling a foiled plot to blow up airplanes part of a "war with Islamic fascists," saying the term could inflame anti-Muslim tensions.
this obviously wasn't supposed to get out this early - the election is still too far away
cheney must have screwed up
They already knew about this 'cell', they waited to it was political viable. Embarrasing situation by the government. They should be killed for treason.
Fact is, this "terrorist" plot is old news, they tried this in the 80's and nobody blinked a eye, because they were easily snuffed out by intelligence.
You people that fall for the easy, are the weak minded and should be euthanized.
islamofascists do not care about your liberty or "fairness". I agree we are all being manipulated by politicians and media just as muslims are being manipulated by their dictators and mullahs. Vast conspiracy aside - islam is directed by the quran to take over the world- it is that black & white (read the book). there can be no such thing as a moderate muslim (only one who has not read the quran). By the way, the majority of people who claim to be muslim have never read the quran, only had it interpreted to them by the mullahs as most are uneducated and oppressed. The long term solution is as follows:
1. dont believe people "smarter" than you will make good decisions in your best interest.
2. dont believe everything you read whether from the left or right.
3.conspiracy theories are fun but diversionary because most things are as they appear (has to do with the laws of physics)
4.nut jobs need to be dealt with harshly whether muslim, christian or any other cult follower. you cannot negotiate with crazy people.
5. I'll save the rest for later
Using faithfreedom.org to learn about Islam is like using landoverbaptist.org to learn about Christianity. Both are caricultures, only faithfreedom isn't trying to be funny.
Not sure whether that makes it more humorous or not. Probably not, considering how much misinformation and nonsense is spread.
Anyone who grew up in a moderate Muslim or Christian household - and the vast majority ARE moderate - can see the difference.
Radicalism always captures the headlines.
"The answer is a new kind of airline - Nude Air - all passengers and crew all naked all the time - cleared for takeoff!"
Ok, if the average passenger looks like Jessica Alba than I'm game, however, when the average passenger looks like Whoopi Goldberg or Rosie O'Donnell then I prefer the x-ray scanner before entering the plane.
hey anon 10:14:02 time for all your women to get fitted for their hajibs as I am tempted to sex them because they tempt me with their blatant sexuality. If they refuse the quran instructs you to beat them until they obey, or you could accuse them of adultery and hang them from a crane as they do in Iran. yeah, islam is the religion of peace, LOL.
faithfreedom.org
"havent heard of any sihks or hindus blowing themselves up lately so they can stay."
Ok, but they're dark and hairy which would set off a panic attack via other white passengers. And Sikhs don't shave their breads so they'd be confused for the Ali Babas.
“ragheads”
That would be the Sikhs who have nothing to do with Islam but have been murdered by the sheep in America anyhow.
hey if they're eating hairy bread them god help em.
islam showed it's ugly hand during the cartoon wars in europe. they insist we adopt their belief system while living off of western welfare. deport them back to their sandboxes till they learn to play nicely with the big kids.
faithfreedom.org
anon 10:14:02. faithfreedom.org isnt about culture its about a cult called islam. islam isnt a culture its a belief syetem, one that will cut off your head if you so much as look at it funny. again, there are no moderate muslims, only muslims keeping a low profile because they know if they speak out against real islam (radical) they will be killed. that makes them pitiable yet culpable. if they cant clean up their own backyards then we have to do it for them or their shit starts leaking into ours.
hey everybody, we need to be more tolerant of hitler and his belief system. just give him what he wants and he'll leave us alone because those sneaky jews stole germany from the good aryans. why do we have to be the worlds police, whats a few jews anyway. oops, wrong century, i guess we never learn from appeasing fascists do we?
One Sikh was murdered.
AS for "Bush did it to distract the sheep from LaMont"...I weep for you. Idiocy and narccicism combined.
Like London police care about LaMont. Like anyone in the US does either. Any time they arrested these people you'd point to some irrelevent event and say "HOW CONVENIENT!!". Ned Lamont? ARe you insane?
It's all about you and your hatred of Bush. It can't be that some people actually want us dead, can it? No, it must be something to do with Ned Lamont. I weep for my country with idiots like you.
I recommend that we form a dark skin tone club called, Americans of Colour against Islam, and African-Americans, Hispanics, Hindus, Sikhs, certain Sicilians, certain Greeks, certain Pacific Islanders, etc can join this organization and show the card to any airport security official so that they don't get harassed a/o confused for a Muslim. I think this will assuage anyone's fear that this is a race war but that of religiously inspired terrorism. I repeat, the KKK-type of motive is not behind this security detail.
Keith said...
"I just want to get on a plane from london to the US, or a tube in the morning, and not have cult members blow it up
is that too much to ask?"
Yes Keith, it is too much to ask. The idiots that are more concerned with offending an arab than protecting our children, could give a fcuk about your security. They’re so consumed with idiocy, they believe there is a government conspiracy to make this issue larger than it actually is. And when they start talking about Guantánamo Bay, and how the mind numb killers should receive the same due process as you and I … that’s when I realize they’re fcuking stupid. They’re not even worth listening too … the irrational fools should be ignored!
These religious zealots don’t care if you’re a conservative, moderate, liberal, atheist, gay, straight, bi, red state, blue state, republican, democrat … they just want you dead. PERIOD!
6. oppose islam outright and expose it for the hate filled fascist cult it is. If its good enough for naziism then its good enough for islam.
:Americans of Colour against Islam
Oh, and since Indians are tribal, they can form their own division:
"Mughals Suck!"
African-American can have a group called:
"Islam is Another SlaveOwners Cult. FU Farrakhan!"
Pacific Islanders group could be...
"Honor the Dead Balinese"
Slavic/Persians can have a
"Beslan's Children Shall Not Forget Society!"
Soory to keep off topic, but for the fool at the beginning of the thread that that said "there's no Timothy McVeigh in the picture" I would offer this: Mcveigh and his accomplice Nichols couldnt blow up a ballon until Nichols went to manila and was trained by RAMZI YOUSEF in explosives. 4 months after his return, Oklahoma city occurred. YOUSEF also had the idea in place right now to mix chemicals on a plane to blow it up. Dont believe me, google the guy and see.
autofx - bit of history - I was on the tube a station over last 7/7 when they blew it up
makes you a bit more sensitive to the issue if ya know what I mean
the shocking thing after 7/7 was the complete lack of security or noticible change on tube security. want to go bomb it today - come on in. no security, no cops, no nothing. they're just too pc here to change.
Just hurry up and get other sources of energy online: solar, electromagetic, biomass, wind, farts, I don't care. Just do it fast. I'm tired of financing terror each time I put gas in my car. And while we're at it, would the good people of the great State of Alaska just "state-ize" the BP operations, please? Run 'em out and fix that pipe. Heck, you folks up there have worked for those creeps, you know how to do it. And you know you want to.
On a serious note, though, Tom Friedman made mention in an interview that we have to use the dwindling energy resources we have to get the renewable energy resources up and running. Once we've done that, we can release ourselves from dependency on oil and deprive these terrorist states of their income.
A couple years ago, right after the attempted shoe-bomber, my then two-year-old little girl got pulled over for secondary inspection! C'MON!!!
Ever watch those TSA folks while they work at our airports? They mostly look like flunkies that can't get any better job. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in airline safety!
they pulled your two year old over because if you were muslim you might have loaded her up with a bomb because then you would be the proud parent of a martyr and would have received your stipend from one of the terrorist islamic states.
Keith,
Stick to housing please. You were on the tubes for 7/7 and I worked in down-town Manhattan during 9-11. The only reason that I am physically here right now is that I chose one street rather than another when the first building fell. We were not doing enough then to protect ourselves and we still are not doing enough now. Profiling will not work. Remember, Muslims come in all colors. When they get tired of sending the brown ones, then they'll send the white ones with blonde hair and blue eyes. America has a fixation with brown people as terrorist right now and seem to have forgotten about Timothy McVeigh and the likes. What are we going to do when they (terrorists) shift from using brown people as human bombs and start using perhaps white Russian muslims. I believe that we should check everyone, from granny to little Johny.
P.S. The big "terror" scare right now is another fear mongering tactic from Bush and Blair, they were conducting an investigation into this group for some time now but decided to take action TODAY. It seems that they realized that they may not be able to win in November since Lieberman a pro-bush Democratic did not winning Deomcratic nomination, and a anti war candidate did. So scare scare they must to bring the American people back to them or risk losing in November. "America you need us, to protect you from these terrorists". Mark my words, come Sept or Oct, there will be more scare tactics, this is just the start. Also, I see that the color coded alert system has been dusted off and is in use again, hmmm an election must be near.
Holy Cow, as of 2003 hours, check out MSNBC they are actually discussing how this alleged terror plot warning may be politically motivated.
Keith said...
the shocking thing after 7/7 was the complete lack of security or noticible change on tube security. want to go bomb it today - come on in. no security, no cops, no nothing. they're just too pc here to change.
What, were you expecting Londers to run around screaming "its the end of the worrrllld" or something?
Nah, mate, we'll leave that to you Yanks ;-)
Don't know how long you've lived in Blighty, but anyone over the age of 20 will remember almost monthly bombings by the IRA in London. We're just used to it. We get on with our lives, and leave the Security forces deal with it.
Which they do. Funny how the London bombers were caught within days of the 7/7 attacks.
By the way ....don't know how well you know South East London, but there's a politcal party down in Welling called the BNP- who I'm sure would welcome you - holding the views that you do- with open arms.
Just funning, like.
I am an ex-Muslim from Middle East and current atheist I suggest people to go to faithfreedom.org and see what kind sh!!t this religion is. Islam is not religion of love, it is a religion of hate, violence , arrogance, intolerance. If you look at the life of Muslim prophet Mohamad (an asshole as far as I am concerned) you will see lots of war, violence and intolerance.
Just after 911 I had a business trip and I was appalled at stupidity of our country. Old 80 years old grand pa, sexy 18 years old blond girl were body searched and people who looked like Arabs were not searched necessarily, because after all the searches should be random and not based on any profile. Problem is that we do not have unlimited resources and we can only search may be 5% of people. So we should use our resources wisely.
Profiling is not racial. Liberals attach “race” to it as a buzz word. We should profile based on threat characteristics and there is nothing racial about it.
As far as I am concerned all Muslims should be profiled.
If Keith got rubbed out in a terrorist attack I wouldn't even give two shits. I would be sad for any other victims, but for Keith it would be kind of amusing. LOL
"Islam is not religion of love, it is a religion of hate, violence , arrogance, intolerance. "
I have Bahai friends, I already know.
If these Dumb muslim bastard's are so Hell bent on going to their great reward through martyrdom, then let's help speed up the process and wipe them Out! This is War boy's n girl's, this ain't no picnic! They want us (rep., dem.,Conservative, Lib., Christian, athiest, Jew) Dead!
You do not try to 'reason' with a rabbid dog...you Eliminate it! Or deal with the consequences of inaction!!!
"Terrorism changes the 'Rules' to the game!" Golda Mier- The first and Only Prime Minister of Israel!
Very amusing to read racist remarks about terrorists from "true-blue" American machos of the 101st Fighting Keyboarders.
Have you rednecks forgotten that terrorism is as American as apple pie?
Your ancestors are soaked in the blood of African-Americans and Indians, committing terrorist genocide that made Hitler and Himmler proud of your American heritage.
Instead of posting inane kill-them-all comments, why don't you lazy faggots, volunteer to join the military and go to the Middle East and fight Muslims and die for Israel?
I find it interesting that Mel Gibson was crusified by the media, but dethroned congresswoman Cynthia Mckinney (dem.) from Georgia. She had securty 'Thugs', Who were Much more anti-semitic and obsurd than anything i've ever heard!!! No media Outrage yet! Mel Gibson was railroaded!
How come 'blacks' can have 'Black Pride'? Hispanics can have 'Brown Pride'? But, if i make a remark about being proud to be White, I am immediately Branded a Racist, skinhead, Homophobe! Me thinks me smells a little Hypocracy!
This 'Political Correctness' is going to kill us all!
Cowardice is the driving force now. You are far more likely to die in a car wreck than any terror attack. Do you cower in fear each time you climb in your car? The terror threat is very minor, it is as dangerous as lightning in terms of likelihood. But the coward American Republicans take this minor threat and spin into something far beyond reality. They do it to gain control and they make tons of money doing it. Stop being scaredy-cat pansy little bitches you coward fuck repukes.
FUNNY, those that call themselves "christians" were the ones who dropped nuclear bombs on two cities. Who are the real terrorists again?
And how do you know someone is muslim by looking at them?
We all know Mel Gibson was spot on, and really didn't say anything wrong or untrue. Tha guy rocks!
Here's another example of liberal hypocrisy - God, there's so much of it.
If Bush takes measures to protect this country, he called a racist, a fearmonger, or that he wants do away with privacy rights or wants to set up a police state.
On the other hand, when an attack occurs, he's blamed for not doing enough. LIBERALS LIKE BORKAFATTY ARE F-ING RETARDS.
Liberals have been saying we shouldn't have gone into Iraq, but should be going after more serious threats like North Korea or Iran. Does anybody really believe liberals would support going after any enemy?
The Leiberman election results PROVE what everyone has always known, which is that liberals would prefer to destroy one of their own rather than allow him to help defend America.
This country needs a long hard-fought civil war to purge the trash (e.g., liberals) from our society.
I've noticed that when muslims speak of a martyr they are usually referring to a muslim who is killed while trying to kill non-muslims whereas Christians speak of a Christian who is killed by non-christians for refusing to deny Christ. Curious.
I used to hate and be afriad of niggers, evangelical evil evil christains like Pat Robertson, homeless Mexicans, and of course Jews!
Now I also hate and fear all arab looking types.
Where are Hitler and Stalin when you need them!
Whitie is getting very angry and very scard, us whities have all the money and power.
Bush is trying but is just way too much a f'ing moron and mama's boy.
This the perfect reason to invade those anti-america Venezuela f'ers and give thier oil fields to Exon Mobile as God intended.
Those f'ing Venezuela terrorists I'm sure they are working on weapons of mass destruction perliminary programs or something like that!
I'm no anti-racist...in fact I'm very much anti PC, and call a spade a spade. But what strikes me as funny is that if people in America take a shot at the African Americans (crime rates, rape, welfare) or the VERY powerful Zionist Lobby....they are labelled a rascist and slandered. However if they take a shot at muslims and say that they are all terrorists then they are considered patriots.
Wake up and smell the coffee....Americas smallest worry is the muslim poulation......it's largest is certainly the 'chosen' ones and the wars they get you into.
This is a declining civilization which has self-restricted itself from using the sophisticated tools and techniques it has developed.
The irony of it all is the barbarians will eventually overwhelm this civilization using it's own tools and techniques (most likely in the form of a nuclear/biological weapon.)
Meanwhile, oil dollars continue going into rich sheikhs and corrupt government coffers who siphon it off to various Islamic charities which have direct connections to various jihadi outfits.
Here is my opinion: do racial profiling and do random searches. Why? If you focus solely on profiling it is relatively easy to defeat. I don't have the time to explain, but some of the others gave some good examples. So keeping the random searches is a good idea. However we still need to go after the obvious and most likely perpetrators.
Moral Relativism. That has been the only defense for Islamofascist sympathizers. America goes to war and has gone to war, but does it actively seek to kill women and children? The answer is no. Do muslim terrorists go for maximum carnage like the Bali nightclubs, etc. The answer is unequivocally yes! Muslims actively preach a doctrine of hate against all those that do not believe in their religion. Why, because they are following the Koran and it teaches this evil mentality.
I really hate to say it but we are in for World War 3. Maybe it happens now or maybe in a few years, but it's going to happen. Bush, Libs, westerners, whatever we only look to fight the symptoms, but we are not fighting the source of the disease. That source is Islam. Research Islam and the Koran and you will see it too. Islam is the problem, not middle easterners. Nazism was the problem, not German people. Unfortunately democracies and america hate war because it is brutal hence the reluctance. When provoked enough we come down upon this evil w/ a vengeance and brutality not seen since the fire bombs over Dresden & the A-bombs over Japan. Lib, neocon, marxist, Bushites, rednecks, and yes even realt-whores will come together and absolutely bust out the wuppin' stick on these guys. If these terrorist were stupid enough to detonate a nuclear bomb kill 100,000 of us, you better believe that we're bringin some pain. And some of the Libs and ACLU you are wrong now, but we will all need you to bring us back to normal after we wup some a$$. This is what makes America so great, rednecks & neocons + libs & peaceniks all play an important part. We should and will come together, dialog is what makes it happen.
All right had to get that off the chest. Let's get back to making fun of idiots in the housing bubble!
big shock:
Five Pakistanis have been arrested in Pakistan as suspected "facilitators" of the plot, a government official said, in addition to two Britons arrested there about a week ago.
The Bank of England said it had frozen the accounts of 19 people arrested on Thursday. The men, ranging in age from 17 to 35, were said to be British Muslims, and neighbors said at least two of those arrested were converts to Islam.
exactly......beware of false flags used to stir people up in a frenzy....
Keith you're way smarter than that.
If a guy was aiming to commit a terrorist act on an airplane, he is going to groom and dress in a more western-like fashion, as did the 9/11 operators.
You mean like this guy?
http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2002/08/30/september11/timeline520410_26_0_photo.shtml
But more seriously there are of course radical Muslims who look very Western, i.e. some Chechens.
It's not ethnic profiling that matters, but ideological profiling.
Now I also hate and fear all arab looking types.
Where are Hitler and Stalin when you need them!
Right now, he's on a hunger strike in a Baghdad prison.
Saddam Hussein was a real bastard, but his enemies---Iranian Revolutionary Guards and Al-Qaeda type Islamists---are our enemies.
His spies could infiltrate them enormously better than ours.
italian "peace" activist (pro palestinian) killed by arab knifeman in Jerusalem. way to go islam - once again showing your true colors.
Well, what do you think of your wonderful Peaceful Muslims now? Haven't heard of too many Christians Or Jews trying to take down multiple airliners this week!
Not all muslims are terrorists, but all the terrorists have been muslim! Great religion ya got there Achmed!
Sorry but, Yes it is a muslim thing!
that photo is from the travel and tourism board! Come jihad with us!
shiite
Yahoo news: photo's of people crying over the dead caused by the Israelies. I don't see anyone crying over the dead Israelies tho!
media hypocracy!
We are quite far from moral hesitations on the national battlefield. We see before us the command of the Torah, the most moral teaching in the world: Obliterate - until destruction. Utterly blot out their remembrance...and destroy them completely. (Exodus 17:14 and Numbers 14:45) We are particularly far from this sort of hesitation in regard to an enemy whose moral perversion is admitted by all.
Quote from The Front, a Lehi underground newspaper August 1943
The Irgun was classified by the British authorities and several other Jewish organizations as a terrorist organization, while others considered it to be an independence movement.
It is incorrect to categorize the people in the Middle East as Jew vs. terrorist. I prefer religious fanatic vs. land thieving religious fanatic.
so called palestinians or more oppressed and manipulated by other arabs than by the jews. arab countries refuse to give their "brothers" the palestinians rights in arab countries because that way they can use them to fight their nazi proxy war against israel who keep kicking their dumb asses everytime the arabs attack them.
Steve Watson / Infowars.net A
August 12, 2006
The latest terror plot facade is nothing more than an exercise to assess how subservient the general population has become and a primer to making permanent the panicked and ridiculous freedom crushing security measures we are seeing being rushed into implementation at the moment.
Whilst the government is saying there is no going back on these measures and that they will become permanent, the media is bleating about rushing in biometric retina scanners and Orwellian behaviour sensing technology. This is the only way they can do these things without backlash and protest, just have a major terror alert and rush them through.
How is it that people can still deny that our governments are forwarding a big brother control agenda? ID cards, Biometric databases, retina scanners, face scanning cameras, behaviour sensing machines. The list goes on. It has been proven over and over that these measures will not help prevent terrorism, the government itself has even admitted this, so why do they relentlessly push them?
The latest mind bending terror stupidity has every passenger at airports pouring their potentially explosive liquids into bins inside the airports.
How stupid can things get? How far does it have to go before people start asking simple questions about what they are being made to do in the name of security?
If these liquids are potentially explosive what the hell is the good in pouring them all into large bins inside overcrowded airports and mixing them all together?
The Asheville Citizen Times interviewed a mother who was forced to pour away her baby's milk:
"I have mixed feelings about all this," Leoni said as she waited to board a flight for Miami at Asheville Regional Airport. "On the one side, I’m fine with the safety measures and the effects, but on the other hand, I had to pour out my baby’s milk this morning. They said I couldn't take it on board."
And here she is pouring the potentially deadly milk into a vat of other potentially explosive dangerous liquids.
The official counterterrorism statement told us that the plan involved mixing a sports drink with a gel-like substance to concoct explosives that could be ignited with an MP3 player or cell phone. The sports drink could be combined with a peroxide-based paste to form a potent explosive cocktail, counterterrorism officials said.
If you believe the dodgy science that suggests that these liquids can be ignited by calling up your mom or whacking on a bit of Led Zeppelin on your MP3 player then they better clear the airports pretty smartish because those bins full liquids could go up any second. unless they are just bins full of baby milk and Dr Pepper that is.
The Scientific American states:
Furthermore, some chemicals can be mixed to create a toxic gas capable of killing people in an enclosed space such as an airplane.
Great, marvelous, lets get mixing them in bins then!
The XOPL blogger here is bang on the money and I couldn't put it any better:
Sir, I'm going to have to take this bottle of water away from you since it might be a liquid explosive, and I'm going to have to mix it with all of these other bottles of possibly liquid explosive, and I'm going to have to dump them all in this trash can... together. Nevermind that the plot specifically mentions mixing chemicals and/or nitroglycerin... which explodes if handled too roughly.
The only conclusion you can reach here is that airport security are not looking for terrorists because if they truly believed terrorists were attempting to board planes with liquids they wouldn't be mishandling the liquids in this way.
If it's been that easy to detonate liquid bombs in the air (at least for the last 20 years, as claimed), how come we haven't had more such attacks? How come we haven't had these restrictions already all these years in order to prevent them?
I'm genuinely confused.
I believe the liquids required a detonating device and also requires a larger amount of liquid than you think to be effective. conspiracy theories are fun but should be viewed with the same skeptical eye that the mass media shoulf be viewed with. also, mothers arent being forcede to dump their milk enmass, they are asked to take a sip of it. your alarmist story of the mother forced to dump her baby milk is propbably an isolated incident or fabricated by a conspiracy blogger.
I don't get it. It takes many months of investigation to uncover this plot, and only after the plot is thwarted and 18 arrested, do they radically tighten up the carry-on baggage policy. Does that mean they had no idea during those months of the plot's objective? If they did suspect that something was cooking during the investigation, would it not have been more prudent to start tightening the carry-on luggage policy during that time, and not AFTER the arrests? One has to wonder about the UK government's motives. It seems to me that public safety has nothing to do with it, and is more a publicity seeking exercise, meant to frighten the public into accepting pumping more money into the security services.
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