July 13, 2006

I nominate Phoenix as the biggest housing bubble bust city in the land. Anyone second?

51,000 listings, up from 5,000 a year ago. Panic in the streets. Condo towers being mothballed. Discounts and incentives galore in the new home communities. Realtors looking for new professions. Heck, even a serial killer on the loose. And there's gotta be tons of jobless illegals now, wondering what to do now.

Even the realtor cheerleaders who were predicting price increases last month are now predicting 10% to 20% declines. Ouch! But they're still wrong. I predict at least 33% (to get back to 2004 pre-speculator levels) but more likely it'll overshoot to down 40%. If there are no buyers, and all sellers, and housing is seen as a depreciating asset (right Bob Toll?), then water finds its own level.

Here's the latest from the the epicenter of the housing bubble, Phoenix, Arizona.

The Valley's resale housing market took a hard fall in June, its worst performance for the month since 2000 and clear evidence that buyers sat out the start of the crucial summer selling season.


"It was a lot weaker than I thought it would be," said Jay Butler, head of the Real Estate Center. "I see a lot of for-sale signs staying up. I'm seeing homes that are on their third agent. Homes are getting initial drive-by activity from buyers, then nothing."

For the year, sales are down 38 percent from 2005's record levels. They also are 25 percent below 2004 sales levels.

Affordability is the dark side of the Valley's housing boom. Prices have jumped beyond the reach of first-time buyers, the rank-and-file consumers who constitute the backbone of city services and their businesses: teachers, firefighters, resort workers.

Agents and others close to the market say that prices have been falling and that buyers hold the leverage in negotiations, with some sellers offering incentives to make their properties stand out in the crowd of listings.

John Foltz, president of Realty Executives, thinks resale prices will fall 10 to 12 percent this year

Bill Ryan of Re/Max Achievers in Chandler said resale prices are down 15 to 20 percent in some areas compared with last year as the market has made "dramatic adjustments" in the past 60 to 90 days. ();

36 comments:

David said...

Perhaps. What about Florida and the uncertainty of the Hurricane season?

Anonymous said...

Can you believe this guy? Too many issues to even get started with railing on his CL post

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/rfs/181570757.html

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Can you believe the Arizona Real Estate bust? It is the real deal with Phoenix leading the charge. The whole state could be in a "state" of emergency next year.

Anonymous said...

San Diego by the end of the year the Condo/McMansion market will be toast.

Anonymous said...

i nominate san diego. phoenix will be just as bad, just later arriving to the funeral.

Anonymous said...

I just had a conversation with a 21 year old female who is in the market for some "investment properties" and asked me what i thought.

I told her oil and gold as they are liquid assets that you can sell off quickly where as housing is an illiquid assets with no stop loss; that she had better have some serious capital reserves to be playing in the RE market.

Her response to me "I don't understand what you just said, what is illiquid."

SHine on shoeshine boys (and girls)

Anonymous said...

What's even scarier is this is just the beginning....

Anonymous said...

nice

Anonymous said...

MAJOR PRICE REDUCTIONS!!!


All over San Diego - just came back from lunch at Royal Thai (great food btw) and walked past Aria, Icon, etc. sales offices - all of them had MAJOR PRICE REDUCTIONS! plastered in big bold letters all over the signs and offices. . .and on every street corner, the SD Union newsboxes with screaming headlines - HOUSING HANG OVER!!!. . .

Anonymous said...

Phoenix,AZ.:
"there is no there, THERE".

Anonymous said...

I nominate Reno, NV because there are 5700 houses for sale with a population of under 475k counting Carson City. Small market but a larger percentage of homes, and far higher priced than Phoenix.

Anonymous said...

Who would want to live in that crowded town. And those 110+ temps! Not me.

Anonymous said...

Just don't think you guys get this ... this bubble crashes, and it's bye-bye global economy.

This is some extremely scary stuff here... we're talking worse than the great depression, possibly.

Anonymous said...

" MAJOR PRICE REDUCTIONS!!!"

Doesn't matter. Nobody with any sense is going to be buying into the crash.

In fact, I've talked several people in my office out of buying in Seattle by showing them what's happening in Phoenix, San Diego, and other areas.

Anonymous said...

scary stuff,

Oh we "get it" alright.

Anonymous said...

Stick a spork in it, Phoenix iz toast.

Anonymous said...

http://www.benengebreth.org/housingtracker

You should notice a slight drop in listings for the most recent week.

After looking at this, it's apparent that people trying to sell their house are just flat-out giving up.

Incidentally, something similar is exactly how the unemployment rate can be so low even while millions of people can't get a full-time job. I wonder how many "discouraged sellers" there are?

Anonymous said...

"Just don't think you guys get this ... this bubble crashes, and it's bye-bye global economy.

This is some extremely scary stuff here... we're talking worse than the great depression, possibly."

The sooner this ponzi scheme stops, the sooner we can rebuild a true economy based on reasonable asset prices, the sooner we can get away from the bubble train the economy is on, and the better off we will all be in the long run.

Joe said...

You should notice a slight drop in listings for the most recent week.

The drop due to 3 and 6 month listing contracts expiring listing at the midpoint of the year (June 30 being the last day of the quarter). Check housingtracker (or go to ocrenter's inventory blog) tomorrow and you'll see the inventory upswing will be back on track.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of illegals. I think they will move to where the jobs are. So as the last place to feel the effects will have a huge prblem to deal with. Probably the Puget Sound and some out of the way places will see masses of mexicans and nothing for them to do. It will be interesting to see how this will be dealt with.

Anonymous said...

During the dust bowl american citzens from the affected areas were blocked from entering california.
State police shut down the state border.
Different times though - heck we don't enforce national orders anymore.

Anonymous said...

When condo conversions start at 90k instead of 160-190k for 600 sq ft in scoyysdasle, cave creek, etc., then I'll get excited. Until then it's just further speculation.

Anonymous said...

San Diego will go down hardest. It has higher prices and its economy is much more dependent on real estate.

If you really want to see deperate real estate owners trying to sell, check Craigslist and other sites other than Realtor.com whose listings are very suspect.

Anonymous said...

Now that people have regained their heads, maybe the allure to buy that standard neo colonial, with farmhouse styling, wrapped in vinyl siding, piece of crap ,on 1/4 acre that every corporate homebuilder has been passing off as a fantastic bargin at $600,000.00+ has all faded away. Ah poor little suburbanite, your craving to love vanilla has given you away. You are stupid. aaiue,neour

AnonyRuss said...

There are two serial killers on the loose in the Phoenix area right now. One is also a rapist; the other is a sniper.

Anonymous said...

Scary said: "Just don't think you guys get this ... this bubble crashes, and it's bye-bye global economy.

This is some extremely scary stuff here... we're talking worse than the great depression, possibly."

We get it and are acting to prepare. Are you:

1. Out of debt?
2. Holding gold/silver?
3. Have cash?
4. Have guns / ammo / dogs and friends who also do?
5. Informing your friends or seeing who also recognizes the looming problem?

Or are you just hoping for the best? I would rather be ready and wrong about the outcome than a greater victim of it.

Anonymous said...

NBTB said: "In fact, I've talked several people in my office out of buying in Seattle by showing them what's happening in Phoenix, San Diego, and other areas."

I thought that you were drinking a beer and just chilling out. So maybe you are buying into the bubble now? Or was the ID stolen...

Anonymous said...

Make no mistake Phoenix is get hammered, however the income to home price ratio is still in much better shape than Orange County and San Diego.

My List:

1) Orange County
2) San Diego
3) Inland Empire
4) LA
5) Phoenix

Anonymous said...

Phoenix is a place of death. I love looking at your lovely 114 degree temperature days. It makes me wonder why anyone would actually want to live there. At least to make you feel better just remember the investors are paying a mortgage and a hefty electric bill on astucco piece of shit that nobody wants to buy. HA HA HA HA HA

Anonymous said...

Lets give a big standing ovation to the investors. my brother is an investor who bought and sold houses in Las Vegas then Phoenix. He is completely out of the market and enjoying an 18 month holiday in Italy.
It was on the backs of fools that his life is so comfortable right now. So enjoy your stucco pieces of shit in Las Vegas and Phoenix. He has invited me to stay in Italy.

Anonymous said...

Keith, you need to edit the posts with slurs (fags, etc.).

Don't you have any standards?

Anonymous said...

The State of Georgia has the highest foreclosure rate. Denver not doing that well either.

hard to judge without a better definition of "bubble"

degoboy said...

"Speaking of illegals. I think they will move to where the jobs are. So as the last place to feel the effects will have a huge prblem to deal with. Probably the Puget Sound and some out of the way places will see masses of mexicans and nothing for them to do. It will be interesting to see how this will be dealt with.
"

When the Re bubble economy goes into meltdown mode and illegals are out of work they will do either of several things:

1. Get a free tax-payer subsidized buse trip back into Mexico, curtesy of ICE. Spend months or several years living high on the hog in their home villages, thanks to all the Money they repatriated back to their families back home(US dollar has 7-10 times spending power in Mexico/central america).

2. Drift back into LA, an illegal alien sanctuary, where they can pack in with relatives 10-20 to a home and get all kinds of public assistance from the illegal- alien friendly Mayor Villarigosa or the LA city council.

3 voluntarily self-deport and do the same thing as (1), then when jobs pick up in US they can simply drift back across thanks to our spineless gutless open-border policy.

4 Move to more robust regions in US.

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