May 27, 2006

Immigration: Will Congress do nothing, or do something stupid?


I think that's pretty much the two choices for this corrupt boat of fools.

I'm 100% against the Senate version, which would reward people who broke the law, jumped the line and came here illegally.

That version passes and our leaders can go F themselves for all I care, and the US no longer will be a nation of laws or one deserving of respect, and they'll have to earn it back one day - by the people throwing these bums out - Congress and the Illegals.

The House thankfully is so far from the Senate (and more to my liking) - with no free pass, and no amnesty. I think since 100% of them are up for re-election in a few months that the Senate version or anything like it is doomed to fail. There would be an uprising.

My version? Build a wall, deploy the Guard, actively deport anyone here illegally, $50,000 fine for any business or person hiring an illegal for every instance, and liberalized immigration policy and numbers. Come to America, but do it LEGALLY. In the country illegally? Get out.

I also like the lazy MSM quoting someone (no source) that there are 11 Million illegals here. Guess what folks, there may be 50 million for all we know. See, there's this thing - THEY'RE HERE ILLEGALLY! In other words, Mr. Census ain't countin' 'em.

What a mess we've gotten ourselves into. And why? Because we needed a cheap outsourced workforce to build all those damn houses.

39 comments:

Anonymous said...

Congressman James Sensenbrenner

US Citizenship Not For Sale

Border security and immigration reform are among the toughest and most complex government policy issues I’ve ever had to grapple with. In order to arrive at a policy that reflects that we are both a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws, we require a civil, careful, and thoughtful discussion. As Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, I have attempted to address this problem in a comprehensive manner because the people of Wisconsin, and the vast majority of Americans, are more than ready for an overhaul of our country’s policy toward illegal aliens.

Last year, I introduced the Border Protection, Anti-Terrorism and Illegal Immigration Control Act (HR 4437), which passed the House of Representatives in December. The Senate is currently deliberating its version of an immigration bill, which by all accounts, appears to be headed in the wrong direction.

The bill that passed the Senate Judiciary Committee on March 27 repeats the mistakes made 20 years ago when we provided amnesty to illegal aliens and let unethical businesses off the hook. The Senate bill includes amnesty for the 11 to 12 million undocumented aliens in the US who have managed to elude the authorities. This is a slap in the face to those who are following the law and taking the right steps to enter this country. The Senate proposal absolves the wrongdoers and penalizes those who are obeying the law. I do not accept the claim made by some that this is not amnesty because among other things, illegal aliens would have to pay two fines of $1,000 each. It is offensive to me to think we have legislators who are considering selling US citizenship for $2,000. US citizenship is not for sale. It is a privilege bestowed upon those who appreciate its value, and who contribute to our nation by living in a manner that reflects the principles and ideology of being an American. When someone’s first step in this country is taken in direct violation of our laws, I cannot support a process that allows them to continue residing in the US, while others wait up to 20 years outside the US before they are able to take their first step into this country legally.

To end this migration of illegal aliens into the US, we must stop the businesses that hire them. Without employment opportunities, people will be less likely to break the law to enter this country. Moreover, companies that hire legal residents are placed at a disadvantage when compared to those that hire illegal aliens because they have to pay a higher wage to their employees. In order to survive, many of these ‘legitimate’ businesses have to depress their employees’ wages just to remain competitive with the companies that hire illegal aliens. This is bad for all the people involved, and it is bad for our economy. To address this, my bill requires businesses to verify the accuracy of employees’ social security numbers, and raises the penalties assessed to corporations that hire undocumented workers from $250 per illegal alien to $5,000 for first-time offenses.

It is time to tone down the rhetoric, and come to an understanding on this issue. We need to look at what Congress has done in the past, and learn from our mistakes because the current system isn’t working. Having 10,000 or 100,000 people marching in the streets of our nation might make for good television, but it doesn’t provide a solution.

Anonymous said...

Thank you.

panicearly said...

“Since September 11, 2001, we have been at war against terrorism. On Monday night, the President issued Saddam Hussein an ultimatum, and last night, he acted. This war with Iraq is another appropriate step in our nation’s war against terrorism."
Congressman James Sensenbrenner
http://tinyurl.com/jws34
Its funny to me that he would be an advocate of illegally invading and occupying a sovereign nation with lies and deceit but is concerned about the legality of an immigrant.
he is a fraud like the rest of them.
the hipocracy is not surprising coming from americans these days.

Anonymous said...

Have you seen those chics at la-zona-modelos. These girls can hide in my house anytime if they are here illegally. By the way, a house would cost 5 times more if it wasn't for the illegal immigrants so stop bitching.

Anonymous said...

Wow...you're such a rabit red neck racist (unless you are a native american..which obviously you are not).
Keep wallowing in your own despair..

Natural Eyebrows said...

Illegals don't respect our laws because we don't respect them. The implicit promise of the 1986 amnesty was there would be better enforcement going forward. The implicit concession of the 1986 amnesty was that there were too many illegals with deep roots here already, with too many children who are natural born U.S. citizens,to deport them all.

A generation later we have repeated the same mistake. Sensenbrenner may be a bonehead about Iraq, but the statement quoted above is quite sensible.

Anonymous said...

Cut it off at the source:

- $50,000 fine per person for employing illegals.

- Goverment web site to screen/check SS #'s and id's will at least flush out the phony's and duplicates.

- Pass a law stating English is our national language that supercedes any spanish requirements on hospitals, banks, or public agencies. These places may have translators if they want to but there should be no law requiring the conducting of any public business in other than english.

- Same goes for spanish in the schools. Offer a two year transition class and that's it, mainstream or *leave*.

- Pass a national law that pre-empts states and cities such as Seattle that allow illegals. If you get pulled over for a traffic stop and there is *any* doubt as to immigration status, you must provide documentation or its a trip to the local police station.
Deny federal funds to any city that is light on this issue.

- Ammend the constitution to get rid of the drop a baby and they are a citizen clause. Make it effective retroactively 3 or 5 years to flush out the gold rush.

- If you want to apply for staying here you must do the following:

* Apply at the US embassy in your home country. Yes, you must go back on your own.

* Once here, you must learn English, or national language within a certain amount of time.

* Must have a sponsor, or assets (proven) similar to Canada so you will not be a burden on the system.

* Sponsoring employer must provide health insurance, or provide proof you provided it.

- Of course we limit the number we allow, but allow it to change year to year to respond dynamically to conditions.

panicearly said...

Sensible comment for sure, but what makes him reliable? he is just pandering till oct. as the rest of them about any number of issues.
Its not as if this all happened overnight and its not as if they had no prior experience with the issue.
why believe anything this congress or admin says, other than it just happens to agree with your own thinking.
This Sensenbrenner guy gets awards from Builders and Contractors, and Manufacturers assoc. you think these industries dont profit from cheap and illegal labor. Its just a fornt to appease your anxieties, insecrities, and prejudices(not meant in deragatory sense).

panicearly said...

will kicking out illegals, say 11 million increases wages and if so there by increase inflation?

Chris G said...

I agree that illegals should not be here, and they should not be allowed to find jobs, but what if we don't give many of them amnesty, especially the ones that have worked here a long time and have actually been productive citizens of society?

I fear if there isn't some sort of compromise in Congress, we will literally have millions of people rioting in our urban cities. Don't be surprised if the Mount Pleasant/Columbia Heights area of DC goes completely haywire if Congress cracks down on all illegals already in the US.

P.S.: Doesn't it piss you off when these illegals holding their protests chant their slogans in Spanish? Hey illegals, if you want us to give a crap about what you say, speaking English is a good place to start.

Anonymous said...

How come I don't hear any native Americans bitching about this issue? How come it is always the damn white people trying to tell the blacks to go back to Africa, the Asian to go back to China, and the Latin Americans to head back to South America? Aren't the Mexicans who are trying to cross the border the descendants of the native people that were here first? Why are the Europeans can come to America without requiring any Visas and if they want to settle here, they will automatically get legal status? Isn't this kinda racist? The only time I want to hear you people bitching and moaning from now on is when I put something up your ass and start pumping.

Anonymous said...

No retards, a house would NOT cost more with out illegals, but health insurance WOULD COST LESS with out illegals in our country.

Home prices are set at market rate... and the home builders use mexicans as indentured slaves to improve TRoll brothers profit margin. Sad, but if they had to pay 'American' wages to build the homes, maybe more citizens could afford them thru higher wage growth. The illegals have depressed wages for most of the middle and lower middle class. Next the are gunning for the upper middle class and entry level upper class, because dorks like Bill Gates want to import millions from Indo-china to take jobs here.

foobeca said...

By the way, a house would cost 5 times more if it wasn't for the illegal immigrants so stop bitching.

Before the housing bubble, illegals by and large did not build our houses and they were cheaper then. What I see now are poorly constructed housing with cheap materials that will not stand the test of time.

How come I don't hear any native Americans bitching about this issue? How come it is always the damn white people trying to tell the blacks to go back to Africa, the Asian to go back to China, and the Latin Americans to head back to South America? No one is advocating deporting or sending to exile any citizens or LEGAL, repeat LEGAL immigrants


Aren't the Mexicans who are trying to cross the border the descendants of the native people that were here first?

This is such a tired worn out argument. What you think what happened to the indians in the year 1600 is basically irrelevent. My family has been in this country for 400 years. I'd say that makes me a "native american."


Why are the Europeans can come to America without requiring any Visas and if they want to settle here, they will automatically get legal status? Isn't this kinda racist?

This is not true and if it were, it's not neccessarily racist. What you're referring to is the Visa Waiver Program.

"The Visa Waiver Program (VWP) enables nationals of certain countries to travel to the United States for tourism or business for stays of 90 days or less without obtaining a visa. The program was established in 1986 with the objective of promoting better relations with U.S. allies, eliminating unnecessary barriers to travel, stimulating the tourism industry, and permitting the Department of State to focus consular resources in other areas.

foobeca said...

will kicking out illegals, say 11 million increases wages and if so there by increase inflation?

Nope. Inflation is caused by excess money creation or a change in the velocity of money. It would cause returns to labor (wages) to increase at the expense of returns to capital (business).

panicearly said...

anon retard,
i think i asked about inflation, not housing prices.
taking illegals out wont help your wages one bit, just more outsourcing.

cold reality, sucks but, why should i pay you more to do the same job i can get an indian, or a mexican? why? why should i invest my money in the US?
let guess

so you can pay for your inflated house(size and price)
so you can pay your over consumption?
so you can pay your credit card addiction?
so you can pay your lawn mowing?
your vacations?
you can support your foreign policy?

give me one good reason why i should pay an american more than someone else in another country?
a carpenter 300 years ago(before colonization began pillaging in earnest) earned the same in europe as in asia, now its begining to level out. i say not fast enough.

Anonymous said...

"Illegal" means nothing when the federal government has no legitimacy. Washington, D.C. is simply a collection of crooks. Their laws should be ignored even with the bogus anointing by "democracy".
I know the fedgov can send men with guns for now, but when they go bankrupt and cannot pay anyone to shoot fellow citizens, we will have our vengeance.

foobeca said...


i think i asked about inflation, not housing prices.
taking illegals out wont help your wages one bit, just more outsourcing.
smaller labor supply means higher wages assuming the demand for labor stays constant.


give me one good reason why i should pay an american more than someone else in another country?

Have you ever talked to Indian tech/customer support? Most are incompent in their English skills and in the product(s) they support. If you think Troll Brothers houses are poorly contructed, you should see construction in China.


a carpenter 300 years ago(before colonization began pillaging in earnest) earned the same in europe as in asia, now its begining to level out. i say not fast enough.


Wrong again. The law of one price assumes that labor and capital are mobile which are components of an efficient market. 300 years ago, labor and capital were a lot less mobile and inefficient.

Therefore since markets were really inefficient and since supply/demand and elasticity for a given good/skillset are different in different markets, you will have different prices.

Opened Eyes said...

Open borders means individual freedom. That scares a lot of the losers who know they can be replaced by an immigrant.
Americans are too fond of taxation and regulation. Let them all in; we need new blood. Americans created their welfare state; now let them suffer for it.

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foobeca said...

Open borders would be nice like in the EU. But that only works when you have countries with similar economies, cultures, and values. We could have an open border with Canada without any problems, but not with Mexico.

cabbiesouth said...

Send them home and raise the minimum wage!

Robert Coté said...

Hey, I've got an idea. In order to show our resolve and prove this time is different from the last three times I suggest a radical course of action. Now I know, rash actions are never a good idea but hear me out. We need to emphasize we are a nation of laws. We also need to show that we can enforce our will. So, my suggestion is that in the intervening legislative period before any new policies come into effect we:

Enforce the existing laws.

Alright, stop laughing. I mean it. stop laughing! If you don't stop laughing I'll just, just forgive you, reward you and pass some new laws for you to laugh at... I mean obey.

Natural Eyebrows said...

Illegals aren't just building houses. They're protecting them from fire also.

http://tinyurl.com/kftxm

Anonymous said...

Vicente Fox needs the death penalty, he has started a war with the US, these illegals are troops, and should be delt with as well, Fox should die for keeping Mexico the corrupt craphole it is, it has the same GDP as Canada for christ sake. Death.

road hog courier said...

This is the nightmarish scenario we face in trying to stop illegals from crossing into the Us. There was the story in LA times that thousands of illegals are using the sewer system which runs under Otay Mesa area San Diego near San Ysidro. Yes, they are actually crawling thru sewer pipes and popping open manhole covers all over Otay Mesa and hopping into nearby waiting smugglers vehicles:some have actually emerged from manholes right next to the Us Border Station in Otay/San Ysidro.

panicearly said...

foobeca,
have you seen shanghai lately?
I dont think they are importing american workers to build these
shacks
http://tinyurl.com/rsozl

As for call centers and indian english, americans are equally capable of low quality service,or bad english.
Indians are cheaper given the two.

Im not citing some law of one price,
but labor costs were about the same.
An hours labor in china bought the same amount of food etc as in india or europe. inefficieny and elasticity, has not much to do with it. the economies were similar. now they are not but over the next century given some stabilty, they will catch up like japan, korea, malaysia, taiwan.

so indian english is the last of your concerns, your neo liberal preachers could care less about whether you are happy with indian english, as long as they are lining their pockets, america is just a place to sell stuff. they dont owe you nothing short of what you can enforce.

Anonymous said...

Blacks cost the US more in taxes than Mexicans. Why don't you cowards go after them?
Anyone who supports the government is a fool and a collectivist.

Anonymous said...

This is from 2002, things are now even worse.

From the L.A Times(2002)

1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20040119-082933-4484r.htm

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).

(All 10 from the Los Angeles Times)


Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.
http://www.cis.org


Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.


The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University].

29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

panicearly said...

its funny anon poster call others cowards while posting anon.
make up a name atleast like bigot, or looser or kkk. hick, :)

Anonymous said...

Why not let the LEGAL CITIZENS of this country decide? Put a few immigration reform suggestions on a ballot and let us LEGAL citizens vote. I'm sure we know what's best for our own neighborhoods since WE live in them - not the bastard Congressmen. And while we're at it, let's impeach all those rotten politicians who got us into this mess!!!

Anonymous said...

Illegals are voting already. It is so easy to register for voting even without proper documentation (and multiple times). And most illegals have falsified or forged driver's licenses (btw, this is felony for US citizens).

Ted Kennedy opposes wind power since he does not want them near his summer house. Let's place 10,000 illegals living next to Ted Kennedy's summer house and see what he thinks then.

foobeca said...

Panicearly:

When I talk about the poor contruction in china, I'm not talking about the high rises. I'm talking about the typical residential and commericial construction.

Prices between commodities vary all the time. Even today. A given commodity or skill has always varied in price in different markets.

As far as indians go, well at least with Americans, I can understand them and they can understand me. In a lot of cases, sending tech or customer support to India is a false economy. It angers and frustrates your customers and you have to hire more of them to do the same amount of work.

Indians are a very nice and friendly people, but I don't want to talk to them on the phone for tech or customer support.

PolishKnight said...

Leftism

Leftism is just a generally nutty philosophy based upon the emotional kick someone gets at being superior to someone else. It doesn't need to make sense. If anything, the more convoluted the belief system is, the better, since it gives their mind a lot of exercise. Here's a summary:

1) Racism is bad. Racism is hating someone due to their race which is practiced only by white people, who are to be hated because of their race, unless they're white elitist liberals who deserve to be the ruling class because of their race.

2) Illegal immigration is good because cheap labor lowers construction prices except when illegals need housing which helps to drive real estate prices up (along with traffic congestion, energy costs, hospital costs, etc.)

3) Lefties want to help the common man, er, woman, (men are to be hated for the most horrible crime of all: Earning a living, paying taxes, and supporting their families). Anyway, they want to help the common woman, er, wommon even as they sneer that they're intellectually superior to stupid people who use the word "nuke-ular")

4) For some reason, the stupid racist whites who should be discriminated against to help eliminate discrimination aren't voting for them like they did in the past. They need new voters. How about a group of people who are fundamentally invaders who share their goal of looting and pillaging?

Who said: He who is not a liberal when he is young has no heart, and he who is not a conservative when he's older has no brains?

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