tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post114608482532614462..comments2023-12-30T10:06:37.450+00:00Comments on HousingPANIC - The Housing Bubble Blog with an Attitude Problem, 2005 - 2008: New home prices crash (again) in February, and mainstream media asleep at the wheel againbloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06585266242070350399noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1158788515969092152006-09-20T22:41:00.000+01:002006-09-20T22:41:00.000+01:00BloggersLooking for forby contracting at http://do...Bloggers<BR/><BR/>Looking for forby contracting at http://doityourselfpro.com/. Well I recomend This Site. Maybe your asking who am IAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1153239843142751662006-07-18T17:24:00.000+01:002006-07-18T17:24:00.000+01:00Hi Blogger, I found your blog quite informative.I ...Hi Blogger, I found your blog quite informative.<BR/>I just came across your blog and wanted to<BR/>drop you a note telling you how impressed I was with it.<BR/>I give you my best wishes for your future endeavors.<BR/>If you have a moment, please visit my <A HREF="http://www.credit-center.ws" REL="nofollow">stock market technical analysis</A> site.<BR/>Have a great week!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146185028049532522006-04-28T01:43:00.000+01:002006-04-28T01:43:00.000+01:006.5% is a "crash"? get a grip you loser. Hype, a...6.5% is a "crash"? get a grip you loser. Hype, all hype.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146147630076922482006-04-27T15:20:00.000+01:002006-04-27T15:20:00.000+01:00I reckon all of those new homes/condos "sold" at l...I reckon all of those new homes/condos "sold" at last years prices, last year, finished construction, got their CO's, and then all closed at once, recently. This would skew the real "Number of Closings" count some what up ward for the first part of this year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146121854442139862006-04-27T08:10:00.000+01:002006-04-27T08:10:00.000+01:00"Wow!!! The first article on the RE industry in we..."Wow!!! The first article on the RE industry in weeks. Is this still a housing bubble blog or is it an extremist political nutcase blog now? "<BR/><BR/>Truth - headlines at HP on real estate this week:<BR/><BR/>If everything is getting more expensive, why is the CPI inflation reading so tame? <BR/><BR/>With a straight face, NAR says existing home sales grew 0.3% in March <BR/><BR/>Bubble bench update <BR/><BR/>This article sums it up nicely: The Housing Bubble Has Popped <BR/><BR/>Does anyone know anyone, ANYONE, seriously looking to buy a house today? <BR/><BR/>HousingPanic exposes UK's Firstrung.co.uk - another biased member of the real estate industrial complex <BR/><BR/>More real estate corruption in the UK exposed by BBC - "Shocked, shocked I say!" <BR/><BR/>HousingPanic nominations: What US city is the face of the housing bubble today?bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06585266242070350399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146119486067079912006-04-27T07:31:00.000+01:002006-04-27T07:31:00.000+01:00Wow!!! The first article on the RE industry in wee...Wow!!! The first article on the RE industry in weeks. Is this still a housing bubble blog or is it an extremist political nutcase blog now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146106761263510072006-04-27T03:59:00.000+01:002006-04-27T03:59:00.000+01:00It is time ban this phrase:"median price, the poin...It is time ban this phrase:<BR/>"median price, the point where half the homes sold for more and half for less"<BR/>Let's just say/write: "median price".<BR/>If you don't know what the median is, then go sell burgers at McDonalds.Dave Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07355264650239868491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146106630777066162006-04-27T03:57:00.000+01:002006-04-27T03:57:00.000+01:00After reading the NAR report today, I saw that mos...After reading the NAR report today, I saw that most homebuilder stocks were up 2-4%. I decided to short Toll Brothers stock because I also felt the NAR report was misleading. I can't wait to see 2nd qtr or 3rd qtr OFHEO data.<BR/><BR/>Think about it...all possible error aside, a 14% sales increase combined with a 6% price decrease adds up to a HUGE reduction in earnings for homebuilders. There is a large amount of fixed costs for these builders...they've already dumped a lot of money into building and marketing the properties.<BR/><BR/>Most homebuilders have had approximately 10% profit margins. Assuming no variable costs (bear with me on this assumption) the 14% sales increase translates into a 14% earnings increase as well. However, a 6% PRICE decrease translates into a 60% EARNINGS decrease. The net effect is approximately a 50% reduction in earnings -- probably not quite this bad since there are some variable costs, but still not good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146103622663000182006-04-27T03:07:00.000+01:002006-04-27T03:07:00.000+01:00I also posted about the misleading media headlines...I also posted about the <A HREF="http://bubblemeter.blogspot.com/2006/04/media-headlines-misleading-on-new-home.html" REL="nofollow">misleading media headlines</A>. <BR/><BR/>David<BR/>Bubble Meter BlogDavidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11169148764438565562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146101497984524272006-04-27T02:31:00.000+01:002006-04-27T02:31:00.000+01:00Today's news was an unequivocal disaster for exist...Today's news was an unequivocal disaster for existing homeowner/sellers. So they are building more and more homes and selling them for less money y-o-y and m-o-m. More inventory and lower prices...oh, and of course 10 year treasuries are solidly above 5% with strong inflationary trends which means even higher future treasury rates. The end is nigh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146100008083767002006-04-27T02:06:00.000+01:002006-04-27T02:06:00.000+01:00we shouldn't draw any major conclusions from a sin...we shouldn't draw any major conclusions from a single month's report anyway. As many economists have warned, there is a lot of "noise" in this data -- they are rough estimates. If the housing market is in decline, it will show in the trend over many months. Given all of the data we look at that supports the thesis -- sharply lower mortgage apps, rising inventory, rising rates, affordability measures, and the abundant anecdotal evidence from Florida, DC, Boston, Phoenix, Vegas, San Diego, etc, we can all be confident that the overall trend will continue to head south for both volume and prices.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146099488262467882006-04-27T01:58:00.000+01:002006-04-27T01:58:00.000+01:00In San Diego, I keep hearing an ad for RealtWhores...In San Diego, I keep hearing an ad for RealtWhores on the radio that emphasizes their honesty and integrity and how they must adhere to a strict line of ethics. If you have to keep convincing me...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146099170965051812006-04-27T01:52:00.000+01:002006-04-27T01:52:00.000+01:00Nah, we just want lower prices in Real Estate. So ...Nah, we just want lower prices in Real Estate. So it costs a few people their jobs, find work somewhere else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146098048695738732006-04-27T01:34:00.000+01:002006-04-27T01:34:00.000+01:00No way!We want pain. We want suffering. We want wr...No way!<BR/><BR/>We want pain. We want suffering. We want writhing. We want domestic abuse and broken families. We want those smug "Our home is worth Xtimes what we bought it for" SOBs to avert their eyes when they see their smarter, more sophisticated neighbors WHO DID NOT SUCCUMB!<BR/>We want bankruptcies. We want evictions. We want to see great heaps of personal property sitting, waiting on the lawns of our neighbors. We want REVENGE!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146095763222147992006-04-27T00:56:00.000+01:002006-04-27T00:56:00.000+01:00"The fact that listings and unsold inventory hit a..."The fact that listings and unsold inventory hit a new record---much less fluctuation and subject to mismeasure than single home closings---shows the future direction far more accurately. Think of it as big fat blocks of limit orders piling up near the ask, even as the stock goes down. "<BR/><BR/>This is the best analysis yet. . .yes I remember all those people who bought Cisco at $65, and Lucent at $80 (now at 2.90), put sell orders in at those prices thinking, "it would come back.". . .most finally took their losses and moved on. . . I admit I took a nice loss on an internet stock.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146095054201169052006-04-27T00:44:00.000+01:002006-04-27T00:44:00.000+01:00Do not forget that RE is always local. These macro...Do not forget that RE is always local. These macro numbers mean little to REAL people who make their buying and selling decisions based upon their LOCAL conditions. <BR/><BR/>It is fascinating to discuss and investigate the NAR statistical methodologies but the actual results are fairly inadaquate crystal ball gazings that will have only a very slight effect on consumers behaviours.<BR/><BR/>Spring is here in my neighborhood and I have seen the Winter prices replaced by 20% HIGHER Spring prices - the suckers are on their way here for their mountain vacations soon. <BR/><BR/>And the houses are selling...God Gawd I fear for these young people with $600k in mortgage debt in a volatile time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146093077303867672006-04-27T00:11:00.000+01:002006-04-27T00:11:00.000+01:00I am in SoCal just listening to this from the KNX1...I am in SoCal just listening to this from the KNX1070 news. The report is housing sales are up 36% followed by an ad for a loan company for a 1% minimum option payment 30 year fixed upto 1 million dollar. Joe six pack is going to go out and get this freaken loan to avoid been priced out again. There we go again. When will they stop messing with joe's brain. SeeshAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146091405573135012006-04-26T23:43:00.000+01:002006-04-26T23:43:00.000+01:00Centex blowing up after hours, check it out!CTXCentex blowing up after hours, check it out!<BR/><BR/>CTXAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146090428442729232006-04-26T23:27:00.000+01:002006-04-26T23:27:00.000+01:00Another fact.Builders are more economically sophis...Another fact.<BR/><BR/>Builders are more economically sophisticated than private homeowners.<BR/><BR/>They have carrying costs and cash flow needs and so are more aggressive at lowering price to clear out inventory as soon as they can. <BR/><BR/>I expect their maximum volumes to happen on the way down for that reason, until everybody is just plain exhausted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146090318388248212006-04-26T23:25:00.000+01:002006-04-26T23:25:00.000+01:00The statistical margin of error on a number cannot...The statistical margin of error on a number cannot be compared directly to a median price.<BR/><BR/>One you are measuring a raw number which naturally fluctuates, the second is an average of quantitative values, and medians fluctuate even less than averages.<BR/><BR/>It is the same as a stock market---the volume can change rapidly (by a factor of 10) within a short time and the price stays fairly similar, with absolute fluctuations nowhere as strong.<BR/><BR/>In fact, I think it is quite likely that volumes are increasing, even as sales decrease.<BR/><BR/>Look at the stock market bubble popping. Same phenomena happened: there was tremendous volume in shares even post 2000 and post 2001, especially with each dip and bear-market rally but yet it all ended up in the same place. <BR/><BR/>The fact that listings and unsold inventory hit a new record---much less fluctuation and subject to mismeasure than single home closings---shows the future direction far more accurately. Think of it as big fat blocks of limit orders piling up near the ask, even as the stock goes down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146089037551572482006-04-26T23:03:00.000+01:002006-04-26T23:03:00.000+01:00My comment didn't get posted by accident.Go to www...My comment didn't get posted by accident.<BR/><BR/>Go to www.marketwatch.com and look up the story on the number.<BR/><BR/>That is the only place where the admit the truth:<BR/><BR/>New home sales up 14%.<BR/><BR/>The statistical margin of error? 15% ! <BR/><BR/>I am not kidding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146087074646215112006-04-26T22:31:00.000+01:002006-04-26T22:31:00.000+01:00I WISH there was a bubble bursting! Damn, how lon...I WISH there was a bubble bursting! Damn, how long does it take? Will it ever really happen where prices come down to what your average person can afford? I see it but I don't see it, at least in our area (Sin Diego). People aren't budging on their miserably overpriced dumps. We couldn't even afford an outhouse. My wife an I jokingly call it the "Sin Diego Rule": If it's a miserable dump of a tiny little old house, it's at least $450,000; if it's a semi nice tiny little old house, it's AT LEAST $450,000; if it's a nice home, maybe a little bigger, than you can just forget it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146086956814242112006-04-26T22:29:00.000+01:002006-04-26T22:29:00.000+01:00lots of realtors posting the gain in sales volume ...lots of realtors posting the gain in sales volume in other threads on HP. Why? They got paid!!!<BR/><BR/>Of course, they don't mention the crashing prices and exploding unsold inventory.<BR/><BR/>Why people would ever trust these people, this profession, ever again, is beyond me.bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06585266242070350399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146086649673132282006-04-26T22:24:00.000+01:002006-04-26T22:24:00.000+01:00report it is one thing.. report it correctly is an...report it is one thing.. report it correctly is another. report the important point (the 6% drop in price) is the most important thingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18675105.post-1146085087318257722006-04-26T21:58:00.000+01:002006-04-26T21:58:00.000+01:00NPR did report it this morning.NPR did report it this morning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com